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[QUOTE=CTattyGuy;4699558]Not exactly a regular to DD but I've been probably 10 times over a year. I was going to stop by the other day in the middle of the afternoon and there were no cars in the parking lot and I kept on driving. After the story in the paper I started to get paranoid. I know there is always risk but wondering whether people think there's any reason to change habits (due to LE, I am not worried about coronavirus).[/QUOTE]I'd be more worried about Coronavirus than LEO, C virus is affecting all of the AMPs, some of the and why establishments are well off normal business.
Don't disregard C virus it's pretty serious.
[QUOTE=Lgkok;4701102]I'd be more worried about Coronavirus than LEO, C virus is affecting all of the AMPs, some of the and why establishments are well off normal business.
Don't disregard C virus it's pretty serious.[/QUOTE]LOL. AMP places are the only places without an C virus alert. Because no one goes there anymore. LOL. You get c virus alerts everywhere except from AMPs. So ironic.
[QUOTE=MongerStranger;4702045]LOL. AMP places are the only places without an C virus alert. Because no one goes there anymore. LOL. You get c virus alerts everywhere except from AMPs. So ironic.[/QUOTE]And, South Korea handled the outbreak pretty well, in fact better than the US did. All I was saying is you probably have a better chance at catching corona virus than having the cops walk through the front door.
It's definitely going to spread here in the US simply because people still aren't taking it seriously yet.
As info, see below, one of the best places in NYC
Nyaw is officially closed
Just got word from the MMS, NYAW will be closed, with April 1st being their tentative reopen date depending on how bad Corona gets.
It's probably for the best honestly. I've honestly put this life on hold Until Corona gets situated. Kinda sucks cause I wanted to see Bynes but I get it.
Stay safe guys.
Not taking it seriously?
My medical office is swarmed with nonstop calls about this thing. Constant people walking in thinking they got exposed, and basically every facility and school shutting down.
[QUOTE=Lgkok;4703907]And, South Korea handled the outbreak pretty well, in fact better than the US did. All I was saying is you probably have a better chance at catching corona virus than having the cops walk through the front door.
It's definitely going to spread here in the US simply because people still aren't taking it seriously yet.
As info, see below, one of the best places in NYC
Nyaw is officially closed
Just got word from the MMS, NYAW will be closed, with April 1st being their tentative reopen date depending on how bad Corona gets.
It's probably for the best honestly. I've honestly put this life on hold Until Corona gets situated. Kinda sucks cause I wanted to see Bynes but I get it.
Stay safe guys.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Arkot1337;4704436]Not taking it seriously?
My medical office is swarmed with nonstop calls about this thing. Constant people walking in thinking they got exposed, and basically every facility and school shutting down.[/QUOTE]Let me rephrase, the US just started taking this seriously the past week, it was downplayed by Trump as the next democratic hoax, local government wasn't saying much either, and we were told there were millions of test kit available, but that was a lie, I have to say I'm very disappointed in government both fed and state, the way the whole thing was mishandled, we sort of ignored everything happening in the state of Washington but when a New Rochelle lawyer infects half the town and another cruise ship is stopped from docking in California everyone started paying attention, the things we put in place the last few days should have been done weeks ago.
[QUOTE=Lgkok;4705112]Let me rephrase, the US just started taking this seriously the past week, it was downplayed by Trump as the next democratic hoax, local government wasn't saying much either, and we were told there were millions of test kit available, but that was a lie, I have to say I'm very disappointed in government both fed and state, the way the whole thing was mishandled, we sort of ignored everything happening in the state of Washington but when a New Rochelle lawyer infects half the town and another cruise ship is stopped from docking in California everyone started paying attention, the things we put in place the last few days should have been done weeks ago.[/QUOTE]You have a choice of mass hysteria or not enough info. You play those cards and hope for a decent outcome. This "virus" is not as dangerous as 95% of the people are acting. I personally think the way it was played low originally was fine otherwise people would have been fighting each other for wipes sooner. When you look at stats its mortality is much less than Mers and Sars and its lethality to anyone under 65 is pretty much compared to the cold.
IMO it would have been safer and better to quarantine the very suseptible than what's going on now. People keep screaming about test kits, why? So every two days the same people can keep screaming they need another test kit. People need to calm down over all this, it's kind of rediculous. I get trying to stay safe but idiots are literally clearing stores and fighting over toilet paper. Instead of the virus now old people are just going to be keeling over from lack of sanitary supplies and food. There were / are much better ways to be handling this.
The one positive outcome I look for is now hopefully people will wake up to our trade and manufacturing imbalance with China. Store shelves are empty because importing is shut down. Maybe we'll get some factories and manufacturing back here in the states to avoid this same scenerio in the future.
[QUOTE=MadPlaid;4705395]You have a choice of mass hysteria or not enough info. You play those cards and hope for a decent outcome. This "virus" is not as dangerous as 95% of the people are acting. I personally think the way it was played low originally was fine otherwise people would have been fighting each other for wipes sooner. When you look at stats its mortality is much less than Mers and Sars and its lethality to anyone under 65 is pretty much compared to the cold.
IMO it would have been safer and better to quarantine the very suseptible than what's going on now. People keep screaming about test kits, why? So every two days the same people can keep screaming they need another test kit. People need to calm down over all this, it's kind of rediculous. I get trying to stay safe but idiots are literally clearing stores and fighting over toilet paper. Instead of the virus now old people are just going to be keeling over from lack of sanitary supplies and food. There were / are much better ways to be handling this.
The one positive outcome I look for is now hopefully people will wake up to our trade and manufacturing imbalance with China. Store shelves are empty because importing is shut down. Maybe we'll get some factories and manufacturing back here in the states to avoid this same scenerio in the future.[/QUOTE]What makes you think the government is disclosing everything they know about Covid 19 ? Seems by the way it spreads that it's much more contagious than what we are being told. Keep in mind politicians both local and federal are a bunch of lying bastards.
Take a look over in Italy, it's a mess, we'll never know exactly how bad it is in China.
[QUOTE=Lgkok;4705112]Let me rephrase, the US just started taking this seriously the past week, it was downplayed by Trump as the next democratic hoax, local government wasn't saying much either, and we were told there were millions of test kit available, but that was a lie, I have to say I'm very disappointed in government both fed and state, the way the whole thing was mishandled, we sort of ignored everything happening in the state of Washington but when a New Rochelle lawyer infects half the town and another cruise ship is stopped from docking in California everyone started paying attention, the things we put in place the last few days should have been done weeks ago.[/QUOTE]No. The C-19 is being blown severely out of proportion.
It is not much different than the usual flu. Is spreads exactly the same way. Through droplet contact. And it's death rate numbers are barely any higher. Which is due to the fact that it affects the elderly more than children. Whereas with flu a massive chunk of its infected numbers are children who bounce back. Keeping it's death rate lower.
But in turns of adults to contract either sickness. The death rate is almost identical.
No matter what we do, or what we could have done from the start the end result was always going to be the same. C-19 will be a community spread sickness with yearly patterns like the flu. We may even end up getting yearly C-19 vaccines just like we get the flu shots. And freaking out about it now, or earlier, isn't going to stop it from happening. The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking.
The only reason people are freaking out is because this is a completely new bug. And because of that, they was literally see how it's spreading quickly beyond what humans can control.
Whereas flu is an old bed fellow and we done care enough to track it in such a way. We just prepare for the months we knows it's coming.
[QUOTE=Arkot1337;4706287]No. The C-19 is being blown severely out of proportion.
It is not much different than the usual flu. Is spreads exactly the same way. Through droplet contact. And it's death rate numbers are barely any higher. Which is due to the fact that it affects the elderly more than children. Whereas with flu a massive chunk of its infected numbers are children who bounce back. Keeping it's death rate lower.
But in turns of adults to contract either sickness. The death rate is almost identical.
No matter what we do, or what we could have done from the start the end result was always going to be the same. C-19 will be a community spread sickness with yearly patterns like the flu. We may even end up getting yearly C-19 vaccines just like we get the flu shots. And freaking out about it now, or earlier, isn't going to stop it from happening. The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking.
The only reason people are freaking out is because this is a completely new bug. And because of that, they was literally see how it's spreading quickly beyond what humans can control.
Whereas flu is an old bed fellow and we done care enough to track it in such a way. We just prepare for the months we knows it's coming.[/QUOTE]OK, you just keep thinking that way, Don't let the sand get in your eyes.
[QUOTE=Lgkok;4707416]OK, you just keep thinking that way, Don't let the sand get in your eyes.[/QUOTE]I work in medical buddy.
[QUOTE=Arkot1337;4706287]No. The C-19 is being blown severely out of proportion.
It is not much different than the usual flu. Is spreads exactly the same way. Through droplet contact. And it's death rate numbers are barely any higher. Which is due to the fact that it affects the elderly more than children. Whereas with flu a massive chunk of its infected numbers are children who bounce back. Keeping it's death rate lower.
But in turns of adults to contract either sickness. The death rate is almost identical.
No matter what we do, or what we could have done from the start the end result was always going to be the same. C-19 will be a community spread sickness with yearly patterns like the flu. We may even end up getting yearly C-19 vaccines just like we get the flu shots. And freaking out about it now, or earlier, isn't going to stop it from happening. The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking.
The only reason people are freaking out is because this is a completely new bug. And because of that, they was literally see how it's spreading quickly beyond what humans can control.
Whereas flu is an old bed fellow and we done care enough to track it in such a way. We just prepare for the months we knows it's coming.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with everything you said, based on the location and timed occurrence of the epicenters, this bug has been around undetected far longer than we know and more of us have it or have had it already. Flu causes 65,000 deaths world-wide annually and we do not panic about it. Everything about C-19 is overblown and everyone just needs to stay calm, take a few simple precautions like wash hands frequently, stop touch one's face and stop wearing those masks as they do nothing except stop one from touching one's face (viral particles are many magnitude smaller than the pores on those masks). Stop creating a shortage for medical personnel who actually do know how to use them properly and need them more than us common folk for many more reasons than we do. Also everyone should stop panic buying of food and supplies at supermarkets, our population distributions have not changed significantly and our supply chain set-ups are more than adequate to make sure we all get enough of everything, as long as everyone does not run out and stock up on stuff unnecessarily.
[QUOTE=Lgkok;4706222]What makes you think the government is disclosing everything they know about Covid 19 ? Seems by the way it spreads that it's much more contagious than what we are being told. Keep in mind politicians both local and federal are a bunch of lying bastards.
Take a look over in Italy, it's a mess, we'll never know exactly how bad it is in China.[/QUOTE]Italy is a much different animal than the US. You're talking a much lower quality than f healthcare, raging migrant influx, extremely large population of elderly people and Italy literally just completed a massive trade deal with China so their travel and imports were exploding. We cut off Chinese trade much faster. I'm thinking as the weather gets warmer this will die off like the flu and we will have a vaccine for the next cv19 season.
I'm not putting myself in a panic, I'll shower after shitting if I need to. God damn no toilet paper, people are rediculous.
[QUOTE=Arkot1337;4707426]I work in medical buddy.[/QUOTE]I'm unclear as to whether you are saying that there is no reason to panic (because the risk to any individual is relatively low) or you are saying that the precautions being taken are unwarranted.
If the first, then you are clearly correct. If you take reasonable precautions, then any individual is at low risk.
However, that is not the reason for the precautions. The reason is to slow down the spread so that there is not a huge, fast spike in demand for the services of medical personnel like you and for respirators.
As someone over 65, that seems like a worthwhile disaster to avoid.
But even if you are younger, there must be some older folks you care about.
[QUOTE=MrMike1952;4708000]I'm unclear as to whether you are saying that there is no reason to panic (because the risk to any individual is relatively low) or you are saying that the precautions being taken are unwarranted.
If the first, then you are clearly correct. If you take reasonable precautions, then any individual is at low risk.
However, that is not the reason for the precautions. The reason is to slow down the spread so that there is not a huge, fast spike in demand for the services of medical personnel like you and for respirators.
As someone over 65, that seems like a worthwhile disaster to avoid.
But even if you are younger, there must be some older folks you care about.[/QUOTE]If you actually read what I wrote. It's right there.
" The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking".
Summary,
Is it severely overhyped and causing panic. Yes.
Do we all need to use standard precautions. Yes.
Does EVERYONE need to be wearing a face mask that's not properly designed for preventing incoming droplet particles. No.
Standard hand washing. Not touching your face. And having people with respiratory sx wear the masks. Is really all you need.
Clogging the Er with a hide line of people back to back, who don't even yet have symptoms and can't be tested yet. That's going to cause faster spread.
[QUOTE=Arkot1337;4708137]If you actually read what I wrote. It's right there.
" The only thing it's doing is slowing it down. Giving time for the medical to not get over run by actual cases. And instead get over run with people panicking".
Summary,
Is it severely overhyped and causing panic. Yes.
Do we all need to use standard precautions. Yes.
Does EVERYONE need to be wearing a face mask that's not properly designed for preventing incoming droplet particles. No.
Standard hand washing. Not touching your face. And having people with respiratory sx wear the masks. Is really all you need.
Clogging the Er with a hide line of people back to back, who don't even yet have symptoms and can't be tested yet. That's going to cause faster spread.[/QUOTE]Are we pooping more? No.
Do we need to deplete supermarkets of all toilet paper? No.
Do we need stock up 3 months of food and drinks? No.
Do we just need to stay calm and stick to our regular shopping patterns? Yes.
[QUOTE=Arkot1337;4708137]
Clogging the Er with a hide line of people back to back, who don't even yet have symptoms and can't be tested yet. That's going to cause faster spread.[/QUOTE]What about those that have it but are not showing symptoms.
What about the perfectly healthy 40 year old that is now in a coma and may never recover.
All I know is I am doing whatever I can to minimize my exposure.
[QUOTE=CravenMorehed;4708790]What about those that have it but are not showing symptoms.
What about the perfectly healthy 40 year old that is now in a coma and may never recover.
All I know is I am doing whatever I can to minimize my exposure.[/QUOTE]Flu has killed plenty of heavy people as well.
Being healthy doesn't make you immune to complications. And just as many asymptotic flu cases as well.
C-19 got its roots into the entire world. It is NOT going to go away.
Most of us will be getting it at some point. Weather it's this year, or 5 years from now. We are well past the point of no return from it being a community disease.
Yes you should help prevent the spread of it in current time and follow directions.
But don't do so under the false belief that this is going to come and go.
Isolation will slow it down only for as long as isolations last. But it isn't a permanent or even long term solution.
Eventually it will be slowed down to the general public building up the immunity levels and the bug has less people to quickly pass through.
[QUOTE=MrMike1952;4708000]I'm unclear as to whether you are saying that there is no reason to panic [/QUOTE]There is never any reason to panic, people will panic, that's a given but by it's very definition panic is an unreasonable state. Panic accomplishes nothing and for fucks sake never, ever listen to people who are panicking.
Limit your exposure to people for a couple weeks. Since there is no vaccine this thing has to get out in to the herd, actually it is out into the herd, can't stop it now. If we can slow it down for the next month then less people will die, it's really as simple as that. Flatten the curve and more grandmas get to celebrate the holidays this coming December. Most people who get it aren't going to die. Most likely more people will die from car wrecks than C-19. In Italy more people have died this year from regular flu than there are cases of C-19. In November 2019 there was a study published about Italy's higher than normal rate of influenza. Between 2014 and 2017 they had over 5 million cases of influenza that killed 69,000 people, that's 23,000 deaths a year. That's 4 times the number of people who have died world wide of C-19 and ten times the number of people who have died in Italy and nobody, literally nobody cared. There was no panic, there was no closures, nothing, nobody gave a shit.
Here, read it:
[URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285[/URL]
I'm not minimizing C-19, it's a thing and we all need to make some sacrifices, we got to stay home and stop being dicks about hording shit but stop being lemmings, this isn't 12 monkeys we aren't going to be living underground. In a couple weeks if the fucking news stops sensationalizing the "spiraling death count" that is a result of the "pandemic that is spreading like wildfire" then it's over.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4710157]There is never any reason to panic, people will panic, that's a given but by it's very definition panic is an unreasonable state. Panic accomplishes nothing and for fucks sake never, ever listen to people who are panicking. Limit your exposure to people for a couple weeks. In Italy more people have died this year from regular flu than there are cases of C-19. There was no panic, there was no closures, nothing, nobody gave a shit. We got to stay home and stop being dicks about hording shit but stop being lemmings, this isn't 12 monkeys we aren't going to be living underground. In a couple weeks if the fucking news stops sensationalizing the "spiraling death count" that is a result of the "pandemic that is spreading like wildfire" then it's over.[/QUOTE]I wish there was a like / reblog feature like Tumbr for this post right here. It should be stickied to the top of every forum / sub-forum on the site.
Just over 8,000 deaths GLOBALLY from COVID-19 since this shit started. The CDC estimates 12,000 and 61,000 FLU deaths per year in THE UNITED STATES ALONE. The World Health Organization estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. You've been dealing with this shit your whole life, so don't get stupid now.
[QUOTE=KeepMe3;4710207]I wish there was a like / reblog feature like Tumbr for this post right here. It should be stickied to the top of every forum / sub-forum on the site.
Just over 8,000 deaths GLOBALLY from COVID-19 since this shit started. The CDC estimates 12,000 and 61,000 FLU deaths per year in THE UNITED STATES ALONE. The World Health Organization estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. You've been dealing with this shit your whole life, so don't get stupid now.[/QUOTE]Nor have I played on on TV. I'm also not an economist and haven't played that on TV either but here's my prediction.
There will be twice as many influenza deaths in 2021 because of the increased number of uninsured, underinsured, and homeless people who lost their jobs during this thing.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4710157]There is never any reason to panic, people will panic, that's a given but by it's very definition panic is an unreasonable state. Panic accomplishes nothing and for fucks sake never, ever listen to people who are panicking.
Limit your exposure to people for a couple weeks. Since there is no vaccine this thing has to get out in to the herd, actually it is out into the herd, can't stop it now. If we can slow it down for the next month then less people will die, it's really as simple as that. Flatten the curve and more grandmas get to celebrate the holidays this coming December. Most people who get it aren't going to die. Most likely more people will die from car wrecks than C-19. In Italy more people have died this year from regular flu than there are cases of C-19. In November 2019 there was a study published about Italy's higher than normal rate of influenza. Between 2014 and 2017 they had over 5 million cases of influenza that killed 69,000 people, that's 23,000 deaths a year. That's 4 times the number of people who have died world wide of C-19 and ten times the number of people who have died in Italy and nobody, literally nobody cared. There was no panic, there was no closures, nothing, nobody gave a shit.
Here, read it:
[URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285[/URL]
I'm not minimizing C-19, it's a thing and we all need to make some sacrifices, we got to stay home and stop being dicks about hording shit but stop being lemmings, this isn't 12 monkeys we aren't going to be living underground. In a couple weeks if the fucking news stops sensationalizing the "spiraling death count" that is a result of the "pandemic that is spreading like wildfire" then it's over.[/QUOTE]As it is not all that common!
At my place of employment, they started the 'work from home' announcement with "Out of an abundance of caution. " I suspect a lawyer wrote that one.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4710269]Nor have I played on on TV. I'm also not an economist and haven't played that on TV either but here's my prediction.
There will be twice as many influenza deaths in 2021 because of the increased number of uninsured, underinsured, and homeless people who lost their jobs during this thing.[/QUOTE]I found an article a while ago that backed a lot of the stuff I was already telling coworkers and friends who are freaking out. If we gauge the mortality rate of the flu with this the flu is way deadlier. We are making the death rate of cv19 on definitive cases not estimates like we do with the flu. In short there were 20 mill ESTIMATED cases of flu last year alone with 2000 deaths in the US. There ACTUALLY 20000 fully diagnosed cases of the flu. With 20000 cases and 2000 deaths the mortality rate of the flu is 10%. This is just so people will caaaaallllm down. Not saying don't follow precautions but hysteria will only wreck our economy more.
[QUOTE=MadPlaid;4711483]I found an article a while ago that backed a lot of the stuff I was already telling coworkers and friends who are freaking out. If we gauge the mortality rate of the flu with this the flu is way deadlier. We are making the death rate of cv19 on definitive cases not estimates like we do with the flu. In short there were 20 mill ESTIMATED cases of flu last year alone with 2000 deaths in the US. There ACTUALLY 20000 fully diagnosed cases of the flu. With 20000 cases and 2000 deaths the mortality rate of the flu is 10%. This is just so people will caaaaallllm down. Not saying don't follow precautions but hysteria will only wreck our economy more.[/QUOTE]C-19 so far has a higher mortality rate than seasonal flu but that's only because hardly anybody is getting tested. Once people start getting tested the mortality rate is going to come way the fuck down (it's possible for lots of people to have corona and nobody knows but pretty much everybody notices when somebody dies, they have to do something with the body).
This is a great article from Italy, published in Nov 2019 while C-19 was warming up in Wuhan for it's world tour.
[URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285[/URL]
In it they discuss why Italy has so many more cases on average of seasonal influenza than the rest of the EU. Turns out that between 2014nd 2017 Italy had 5,290,000 cases of influenza that resulted in 68,000 deaths.
Let me say that again, 1,322,000 cases a year that resulted in 17,250 deaths a year over a [b]four year period[/b], it was published in the journals and nobody, literally nobody except a few statisticians and medical professionals gave a shit. Ten times the number of dead and nobody cared except, I'm sure, the families of the people who passed.
It's still a thing, you still should stay home because it's kinda fast and can overwhelm the health care system (like in Italy) but again, it's not 12 monkeys.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4711648]C-19 so far has a higher mortality rate than seasonal flu but that's only because hardly anybody is getting tested. Once people start getting tested the mortality rate is going to come way the fuck down (it's possible for lots of people to have corona and nobody knows but pretty much everybody notices when somebody dies, they have to do something with the body).
This is a great article from Italy, published in Nov 2019 while C-19 was warming up in Wuhan for it's world tour.
[URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285[/URL]
In it they discuss why Italy has so many more cases on average of seasonal influenza than the rest of the EU. Turns out that between 2014nd 2017 Italy had 5,290,000 cases of influenza that resulted in 68,000 deaths.
Let me say that again, 1,322,000 cases a year that resulted in 17,250 deaths a year over a [b]four year period[/b], it was published in the journals and nobody, literally nobody except a few statisticians and medical professionals gave a shit. Ten times the number of dead and nobody cared except, I'm sure, the families of the people who passed.
It's still a thing, you still should stay home because it's kinda fast and can overwhelm the health care system (like in Italy) but again, it's not 12 monkeys.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4[/URL]
[QUOTE=OldChineseGuy;4714491][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks6Nq7g6P4[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL. I'm offering statistics gathered by the WHO and CDC and your response is a video made by the chick who starred in the Doll House.
I mean she's hot don't get me wrong but if that is your idea of what constitutes accurate information no wonder the US has become a nation of idiots.
Here this video has as much to do with Covid 19 as yours does [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIjoE27F-Q[/URL].
These girls see an enormous amount of men daily and do other unsavory activities. The state's positivity rate for covid is climbing. By December 1 we could be as bad as March. Careful who you see because asymptomatic shows no signs. And bam you have covid and passed it to your elderly family. Be safe for the next few months. Start watching porn.
[QUOTE=EffieBoy;5050895]These girls see an enormous amount of men daily and do other unsavory activities. The state's positivity rate for covid is climbing. By December 1 we could be as bad as March. Careful who you see because asymptomatic shows no signs. And bam you have covid and passed it to your elderly family. Be safe for the next few months. Start watching porn.[/QUOTE]It's not just elderly.
If you're younger than elderly, you might be fine, or you might not be. The data shows that some blood types or ethnicities have worse outcomes than others, even if not "old". Your outcome may even be based on the quality of your insurance plan or your specific location and hospital availability. We're learning new things every day, but this is far from over.
At this point, the virus is still in charge, but the bottom line is the USA is 4% of world population with 20% of the cases and death, and no federal policy to deal with it.
[QUOTE=EffieBoy;5050895]These girls see an enormous amount of men daily and do other unsavory activities. The state's positivity rate for covid is climbing. By December 1 we could be as bad as March. Careful who you see because asymptomatic shows no signs. And bam you have covid and passed it to your elderly family. Be safe for the next few months. Start watching porn.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's been my thinking as of late. When the initial spike hit CT, I took an extended break from all this for a few months. Now that the second spike is here, I'm seriously considering limiting my activities to this one girl who I've been seeing from SA. She still lives at home and I believe I'm her only sugar daddy. At least this way, I can lower my risk profile.
[QUOTE=Woody50;5051003]It's not just elderly.
If you're younger than elderly, you might be fine, or you might not be. The data shows that some blood types or ethnicities have worse outcomes than others, even if not "old". Your outcome may even be based on the quality of your insurance plan or your specific location and hospital availability. We're learning new things every day, but this is far from over.
At this point, the virus is still in charge, but the bottom line is the USA is 4% of world population with 20% of the cases and death, and no federal policy to deal with it.[/QUOTE]Death rates are Extremely Inflated. For example, if I die from a brain aneurysm, but I'm COVID positive, I will be labeled as a Covid death.
If you are in poor health & you get Covid, there's a moderate chance that your immune system will take a big hit leading to your death. Just like the flu!
[QUOTE=KevAssLover;5051041]Death rates are Extremely Inflated. For example, if I die from a brain aneurysm, but I'm COVID positive, I will be labeled as a Covid death.
If you are in poor health & you get Covid, there's a moderate chance that your immune system will take a big hit leading to your death. Just like the flu![/QUOTE]I heard somewhere, 2 or 3 weeks ago, that over 99.8% recover from covid. I have a certain degree of fear of it. I'm over 50, but not 60 yrs. This world is nuts right now, and I t hink the next 6 months are going to be challenging.
[QUOTE=KevAssLover;5051041]Death rates are Extremely Inflated. For example, if I die from a brain aneurysm, but I'm COVID positive, I will be labeled as a Covid death.
If you are in poor health & you get Covid, there's a moderate chance that your immune system will take a big hit leading to your death. Just like the flu![/QUOTE]An alternate take on that: [URL]https://www.brainerddispatch.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6648304-Weve-all-heard-the-rumor-that-COVID-19-stats-are-inflated-ND-infectious-disease-expert-offers-facts-and-hard-data[/URL]#. X54 ZZrupjes. Link.
The first part of your post is related to a widely discredited myth going back to a conspiracy theory.
FWIW, some who have recovered have lagging effects.
[QUOTE=KevAssLover;5051041]Death rates are Extremely Inflated. For example, if I die from a brain aneurysm, but I'm COVID positive, I will be labeled as a Covid death.
If you are in poor health & you get Covid, there's a moderate chance that your immune system will take a big hit leading to your death. Just like the flu![/QUOTE]Stop spreading that garbage. According to excess death reports you can make the argument that the true death rate is quite a bit higher.
"the US suffered some 275,000 more deaths than the five-year average between 1 March and 16 August, compared to 169,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths during that period. ".
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid[/URL]
And stop likening it to the flu. The flu kills 30 k a year. The year isn't even over and we have over 200 k, that's with lockdowns and everyone taking precautions.
[QUOTE=KevAssLover;5051041]Death rates are Extremely Inflated. For example, if I die from a brain aneurysm, but I'm COVID positive, I will be labeled as a Covid death.
If you are in poor health & you get Covid, there's a moderate chance that your immune system will take a big hit leading to your death. Just like the flu![/QUOTE]The CDC web site states only 6% of the "Covid" deaths are actually attributable to the virus by itself. Of course the dem controlled media won't publish that fact. They label car accidents and all kinds of things as Covid to get the grant money.
[QUOTE=HolaDoug;5051315]Stop spreading that garbage. According to excess death reports you can make the argument that the true death rate is quite a bit higher.
"the US suffered some 275,000 more deaths than the five-year average between 1 March and 16 August, compared to 169,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths during that period. ".
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid[/URL]
And stop likening it to the flu. The flu kills 30 k a year. The year isn't even over and we have over 200 k, that's with lockdowns and everyone taking precautions.[/QUOTE]I get tired of schooling idiots like you. In 2017,2018, 2019 2. 8 million people died in the US of all causes. That's an average of 7671 people per day, it sounds like a lot but that's the number in a population of 330,000,000 people with a robust health system. As of Friday according to the CDC's own web site 2,347,341 have died of ALL causes in the US. I use all causes because you can't hid shit in all causes. Covid is only a thing if EXTRA people who wouldn't have died this year died due to covid. Saturday was the 305th day of the year. So that means that an average of 7696 people have died per day of all causes in the US for 2020. I look at that number a lot and sometimes it's below 7671 and sometimes it's above 7671 because people don't die in an orderly fashion.
Do the math yourself, because the article you quoted is one guy, taking one data set, from one month, and calling that for the year which is how we got into this fucking mess to begin with (remember the 20,000,000 people will die if we do nothing douchebags from April).
FYI in 2018 the "flu" killed 80,000 and doctors in NYC were treating patients in tents and they had to use refrigeration trailers as temporary morgues (Time wrote an article about it that was published in 2018) so much for unprecedented.
Here's the website for the daily number of dead people, you can do the math yourself.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm[/URL]
[QUOTE=Woody50;5051003]At this point, the virus is still in charge, but the bottom line is the USA is 4% of world population with 20% of the cases and death, and no federal policy to deal with it.[/QUOTE]No, the bottom line is people like you who are supporting a narrative to help Biden (BTW I'm a life long progressive and still am) refuse to engage your brain and see what is directly in front of your eyes because it doesn't fit that narrative.
The US only has 20% of the worlds cases if you honestly believe that China with one BILLION more people, who have been exposed to the virus for longer than any population on the planet believe and has a history of not being transparent really has only had 78,000 cases and 4,000 people who died. In fact, if you make a list of the worlds totalitarian nations with state run media it's fucking astonishing how low their infection rates are. Then you turn your eyes to India which says they have 1,100,000 people but 70% of that country is so deep in the third world that nearly all the people are born, live, and die and never have any interaction with the government. I don't think India is lying like China is but I don't think they have any idea exactly how many people there have died or gotten sick. Then the US is third in population, third in deaths, third in cases and you have to ask yourself why Fauci isn't saying that every day.
You can also check that website and look at the number of young people who are actually dying as opposed to being implied on CNN.
Now if you want to know what the real killer of 2020 is going to be, it's going to be starvation from idiots who posted six months of fear porn to get their candidate elected. 400,000,000 people (that's 5% of the entire population of the world, literally the entire world) have been forced into extreme poverty as a direct result of the economic devastation from Covid hysteria induced by fear porn. Of this 400,000,000 how many do you think are going to starve to death, or die from dysentery, or crime, or exposure, or no medical care, or any one of the thousand things that people making less than 60 bucks a month die from? 20 million, 40 million, maybe 50 million?
I moved all this stupidity to the stupid shit shit thread, if you idiots need to keep doing this and COMPLETLY ignoring the fact that you are killing some kid in the third world to "save" people from a virus with a 99.74% recovery rate (CDC again, since MAY) then do it where the short bus people need to post.
Fuck I'm sick of you motherfuckers, I live in the third world, I'm watching the end result of the largest example of privilege's I can remember in my life and STILL you motherfuckers refuse to look at what you are doing. The left used to care about poor people, now it's like "fuck those motherfuckers, they don't vote. ".
[QUOTE=Admin2;5051671]I get tired of schooling idiots like you. In 2017,2018, 2019 2. 8 million people died in the US of all causes. That's an average of 7671 people per day, it sounds like a lot but that's the number in a population of 330,000,000 people with a robust health system. As of Friday according to the CDC's own web site 2,347,341 have died of ALL causes in the US. I use all causes because you can't hid shit in all causes. Covid is only a thing if EXTRA people who wouldn't have died this year died due to covid. Saturday was the 305th day of the year. So that means that an average of 7696 people have died per day of all causes in the US for 2020. I look at that number a lot and sometimes it's below 7671 and sometimes it's above 7671 because people don't die in an orderly fashion.
Do the math yourself, because the article you quoted is one guy, taking one data set, from one month, and calling that for the year which is how we got into this fucking mess to begin with (remember the 20,000,000 people will die if we do nothing douchebags from April).
FYI in 2018 the "flu" killed 80,000 and doctors in NYC were treating patients in tents and they had to use refrigeration trailers as temporary morgues (Time wrote an article about it that was published in 2018) so much for unprecedented.
Here's the website for the daily number of dead people, you can do the math yourself.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm[/URL]
[/QUOTE]I think you should look at your data a little closer. You say we've had 2.3 million deaths all year so far but the data you take that number from starts on February 1st. Not sure of actual number of deaths in January but taking your average of 7671 deaths per day and 31 days in January it would put the total deaths to nearly 2.6 mil to date. With 2.6 million deaths on the 305th day that means an average of 8475 people dead per day this year, not 7696 as you say. That's 800 more deaths per day than the average from the last 3 years. If you use your non-covid average deaths per day to predict the total number of deaths for 2020 year we'll have a bit over 3 mil. 200 k EXTRA people who wouldn't have died this year which is in line with current coronavirus death toll. I'm not sure where you get your daily death count from but I have a hard time believing shit like that is accurate in real time. I don't see a daily death count on the site you provided. I do see a weekly one. Any weekly death count exceeding 53697 are above average deaths from the pre-covid number you gave. And look at that. From 2/1 all the way through to 9/26 they all exceed that number.
If you click "excess deaths associated with covid-19" in your link you can scroll to the bottom and see a very similar graph to the one in the article I posted, perhaps the CDC graph will carry a little more weight with you. Don't know why you think the one I posted only covers 1 month. It shows it from the beginning of this year up till the end of September.
As far as the flu. Again that happened with no lockdowns in place or any other crap we've been doing the past few months and 80 k is still less than 200+k.
For the "do nothing douchebags", you can see how mortality rates climb as hospitals become overwhelmed. If you followed Italy's stats early on you would've seen where things started tanking and when hospitals became less crowded deaths dropped pretty fast. They had an even stricter lockdown than we ever had. According to covidactnow 2 states have approached 100% capacity and more may be approaching that point. You're already hearing of hospitals having to airlift patients to other nearby hospitals to help with overflow.
[QUOTE=Admin2;5051671]Here's the website for the daily number of dead people, you can do the math yourself.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm[/URL].[/QUOTE]Double post because I missed this bit. Didn't even have to do the calculation for what constitutes above average weekly deaths. The column right next to it shows you the percentage of expected deaths for that week. It's above 100% from 2/22 all through 10/3.
[QUOTE=HolaDoug;5051315]Stop spreading that garbage. According to excess death reports you can make the argument that the true death rate is quite a bit higher.
"the US suffered some 275,000 more deaths than the five-year average between 1 March and 16 August, compared to 169,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths during that period. ".
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid[/URL]
And stop likening it to the flu. The flu kills 30 k a year. The year isn't even over and we have over 200 k, that's with lockdowns and everyone taking precautions.[/QUOTE]The flu kills 30 k a year and that's with vaccines and over 100 years of knowledge of influenza. Did you ever check how many millions it killed prior to us knowing as much about it? 200 k seems like a staggering number but if you put it into perspective it's a small portion of the population especially since it's a first year virus. If it was as bad as the flu in its first years we'd be looking at over 2 million deaths.
[QUOTE=AimlessBullIt;5052455]The flu kills 30 k a year and that's with vaccines and over 100 years of knowledge of influenza. Did you ever check how many millions it killed prior to us knowing as much about it? 200 k seems like a staggering number but if you put it into perspective it's a small portion of the population especially since it's a first year virus. If it was as bad as the flu in its first years we'd be looking at over 2 million deaths.[/QUOTE]To put this in perspective, I try to compare with other leading causes of death.
The virus has already killed nearly twice as many people as die in automobile accidents per year.
It is on track to match the two leading causes of death: heart attacks and cancer.
That is with all of the mitigation measures that have been taken.
I get two things from this.
First, as individuals, each of us need not live in personal fear of dying of this virus at any moment. The odds of an individual catching it and dying are small, as long as we are careful.
Second, we take mitigation measures for each of the other leading causes of death. We spend astounding amounts of money seeking cures for cancers each year.
People have learned to wear seat belts. Cars have air bags.
I do not understand the resistance to taking measures to protect society from a disease that is deadlier than any of these other causes. And which, if allowed to run unchecked, overwhelms hospitals and makes it more difficult to get treatment for any of these other issues.
[QUOTE=HolaDoug;5051846]Double post because I missed this bit. Didn't even have to do the calculation for what constitutes above average weekly deaths. The column right next to it shows you the percentage of expected deaths for that week. It's above 100% from 2/22 all through 10/3.[/QUOTE]Oh my God! This much people died everyday.