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This is a "fight" thread for the State of Delaware.
Open season here. Say whatever the F you want! Just don't pizz off the Admin with things that are out of bounds per his rules.
Oh and I am moderating this freaking thread, for now, so take yer shots at me if you wish. LOL!
On with the douchebaggery!
Now there are MANY good guys around these parts and many have communicated openly and via PM. (you know who you are).
BUT there are a number of real AzzH*les in DE and it only takes a few ( 5) before the whole "system" gets mucked up!
I mean REALLY. We had some dude show up last year and new to the area and confidently make statements like he knew what was what. Then had the nerve to say DE s*cked and he was taking his kit to PA and Philly to play.
Then this dude comes back to the DE boards, now that he has a higher count of posts (prolly 85% were 411 requests) and gets all loud and vociferous about how scary it is to post any information in public and encouraging others to just PM information. Well since that happened, the DE boards have been pretty much DEAD! Sad thing is if the dude would open his mind and attempt to LEARN rather than show his lack of knowledge and unfounded caution, he could learn how to monger in a protective way! BUT NO! Pronounce things too scary or dangerous and go hide in the shadows. Sigh.
THEN I get some dude PM-ing me and wants to know if I know about some girl who stood him up. As it were, I do know the girl and have dated her and had info. But yet this dude has not posted one shred of helpful info on these threads for YEARS! Oh, he was around way back when when everyone was trying to figure out if Eve in Newark was a set-up, scammer or whatever. But that was 5+ years ago. Then when I challenged him to report on the threads, dude says he's been dating UTR girls! WTF! That's the gold that needs to be shared and the purpose of these boards.
Oh and not to mention Captain Save-A-Hoe as the street girls call him. He loves to show this site and every review to the girls! MuthaF*cker cock blocked me a couple of times with that move. But hey, who cares, just be a "one-way" guy and scr*w over the next guy.
So which one are youse? A valued contributing member of the threads, or a one way guy who only takes and never pays back or pays forward?
I mean sh*t! REALLY! It just does not pay to post on the DE boards any more! You mention (not review) some girl you had fun with and the dudes come out of the woodwork with PMs begging for her number! WTF! Guess I would be inclined to be helpful and all but:
1) They usually have ZERO or very few posts.
2) Most of their "contributions" have been 411 requests.
3) They are in a dry spell and thus have nothing to trade, or their "trade" stuff is something I rejected, passed on, avoided (no fly list) or moved on from.
I mean really, if you have been around this game for more than a decade, you ought to have more than the equivalent of one post per year! Surely one that has been interested that long could have posted technique questions or something to establish a position in the community?
So yeah, I am down for taking HUGE risks, spending my money & time driving around sampling all of the girls on the street, contacting every CL girl and dating each BP advert all so I can provide an easy ride for any dude that comes along! Yeah, that is the ticket! Just name me 411 Sucker of the Year!
Bottom Line. If you are having a hard time mongering are you sure you are as "educated" as you need to be about the hobby? I am always glad to help, as are others, with advise on techniques be it SWers, CL / BP girls, AMPs, etc. But to "give away" my hard won favorites to just anybody?
CL.
[I]Mongering looks easy, good, consistently safe mongering is anything but easy![/I]
So I made a date with a girl off of CL the other day. Got done with the back & forth texting and talked to her on her phone. We had plans to meet shortly. However, when I get on the phone with her, all of a sudden she asks if I can go later. Been around this game long enough that I suspected some other monger had stepped in line ahead of me by offering the girl list or above list price. COCKBLOCKED! (Me? I take my own advice and ALWAYS negotiate!) So we agreed to a later time (day) and I move on with my day.
Then no more than 30-minutes AFTER we spoke, her she is on the phone. "Hey, can you come now instead?" I asked, and she told me that some other monger had just stood her up. WTF! She tells me the dude drove past her, didn't like what he saw and so he booked out of there. Jeez, dude. This is like scooping a SW, once she in your car or you made firms plans, you owe her a forfeit if you walk away from the date! Mutha F*ckin azzhole!
(You can always walk in the face of danger, but this clearly wasn't one of those situations.).
But what gets me is how could the dude walk away? She sent me plenty of pics, enough that I could tell she wasn't a spinner. What is your F'in problem? Too stupid to ask for the right kind of pictures? (I asked for a pic that showed her belly, since the first ones she sent did not show it. She happily replied. Yeah she has "Mommy belly. ") Too dense to look at pictures with your BIG head? Or just a tire kicking yellow bellied, lilly livered, p*ssy that never really intended to date her, because you don't actually have the b at lls to do that?
WTF do you dudes expect off of CL or BP? You want the 9's & 10 model types them open up your wallet and take out 300- 500 and head to [URL]eros.com[/URL] and you'll find that. But sheesh, in the under 100 range, you are hunting unicorns.
I guess I should thank azzholes like this? The reason I have so much success is that there are plenty or jerks and azzh*les around like this dude. So when a girl finds one like me who treats them well, respects their time and is polite- I tend to get the world from them. But Jeez. It sure is frustrating having to deal with the blowback from bad behavior!
So, I've been around awhile and sometimes post some of my finds. Also have made many friends here. But there seems to always be a few that get jealous of someone else's success or who are just plain azzh*les and can't help but take potshots at others. This site is about sharing information on girls who date. As such it makes sense to be nice to your fellow posters here. But apparently some guys can't help themselves? So bash away at others or threaten them through PMs, etc.
But occasionally there is a dude that takes on the White Knight role and puts a girl first. Guess those dudes never herd the phrase "bros before hoes?" Oh and on top of that they think they are "helping out" when they break the first rule of Fight Club and show a girl this site! But hey, then there is the unique dude who apparently took a shining to a girl enough that he thought it was appropriate to PM me with some garbage BS one of the girls spouted forth! Not real friendly, I observed. Plus he broke Fight Club rules.
Then this dude, observing that I moved on and found something enticing, apparently something he found to be interesting too, has the b at lls to PM me again asking for contact info? I mean seriously? Last PM from you called me names and wasn't friendly. You carried some wh*res water and pizzed all over my shoes! And now you want to fall back on those were her words and not yours? LOL! You delivered them! You took a hoe over a bro. You showed her this site. So why would I want to help you out? Huh? 1) You were a douchebag toward me and 2) Why would I send you to a trusted girl if you are gunna White Knight her and bad mouth me?
Well good luck with that! Hope this is a "teachable moment" for you! Try posting some solid reviews, sharing info on your favorites and helping others out. Perhaps one can recover from a self inflicted gunshot wound?
Happy hunting!
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3151863]This is a "fight" thread for the State of Delaware.
On with the douchebaggery![/QUOTE]You've definitely run across some douchebaggery, though. The guy who trashed you then turned around and asked for a referral is pretty ballsy.
[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;3252693]You've definitely run across some douchebaggery, though. The guy who trashed you then turned around and asked for a referral is pretty ballsy.[/QUOTE][I]No one's in here fighting with you. LOL [/I]
This isn't a CL against the world fight thread. Please note that other cities have threads where name calling, arguments and general douchbaggery are allowed. (Philly- Mighty Mick's Boxing Club, Charm City- Rants & Raves, Chicago- Rants, Raves and Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theories, Jacksonville- The Woodshed, etc) Mod / Admin created them as a place to flame others in a way to keep the threads clear of garbage. DE didn't have one, so I created one! So rather than get banned by arguing with another poster on the "normal" threads one can do it here. I guess it is an outlet.
So far have refrained from naming names. Fwiw.
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[b]CL Against the World[/b]
Ceph is a total lame-o, you heard it here first boys.
Always providing useful information and helpful tips, what a nan.
[u] Seriously though, is the DE board big enough to sustain any problem children? We get the occasional 1-post "Yo, let me get that info" but that's the worst I've seen in my limited time. Should I dig deeper into the past for some drama-llama entertainment? [/u]
-XPeaceSellsX
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I accidentally deleted this post but was able to capture it from the cache and restore it here FWIW. The italics above is said post. Now a comment or two.
The point is that NO, the DE board is not big enough to sustain when douchbaggery happens. There are plenty of lurkers here and quite few posters. So when some dude shows up and doesn't understand how things work and gets scared and essentially spouts off that it isn't safe to post or he's scared to do so, then that does nothing to turn the lurkers into contributors. Then of course ask any of the girls that were UTR and kind guys like Chipper10 or PappaSmurf or others have offered to share their numbers. Those girls will tell you about 50% are tire kickers, time wasters or picture collectors, not really going to come through with a date. Then about half of what is left will make an appointment and no show, or make some lame excuse 5-minutes after the agreed meeting time. Oh and then there are the dudes that do see a girl that is shared and they treat her badly, so much so that the girl blames the dude who shared. Of course then there are the White Knights who show reports to the girls which ends up cockblocking the dude who reported. Or of course the dude who put hoes before bros, then expected to reap the rewards here.
There is enough douchbaggery around DE that several VERY GOOD mongers have backed off from posting. So maybe some of the offenders can see themselves in these "grousing" posts? If so, the best way to turn that around is to share reports on finds and with time and valuable contributions, past mistakes can be forgotten.
Look, being new or having less experience is no reason to shy away from posting. Just don't try to fake like one is an expert. In fact, I cut my teeth and created a rep here by asking rookie mongering & technique (How to) questions. Asking often gets many replies and ways to stay safe, etc. Much easier to learn through Q&A here than on the streets, where mistakes can be costly, dangerous or get you jammed up.
So I see a girl from DE posted on USA Adult Classifieds! WhooHOO! We are growing up!
Then I note that the girl didn't post herself, but some monger posted the advert for her! Had not seen the moniker for the monger before, so I looked him up and what did I find?
The "dude" is a scumbag lurker! ZERO freaking posts! So he's been banging this hot chick for a while, but hasn't bothered to post a report? WTF! Then he goes all "White Knight" and posts an advert to "help her out?" Jeez, dude, if you had just posted a report, she'd have plenty of business and you wouldn't have to advertise her.
HOW DO WE EDUCATE THESE DUDES AS TO WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE A DECENT BOARD IN DELAWARE AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO?
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3255041]So I see a girl from DE posted on USA Adult Classifieds! WhooHOO! We are growing up!
Then I note that the girl didn't post herself, but some monger posted the advert for her! Had not seen the moniker for the monger before, so I looked him up and what did I find?
The "dude" is a scumbag lurker! ZERO freaking posts! So he's been banging this hot chick for a while, but hasn't bothered to post a report? WTF! Then he goes all "White Knight" and posts an advert to "help her out?" Jeez, dude, if you had just posted a report, she'd have plenty of business and you wouldn't have to advertise her.
HOW DO WE EDUCATE THESE DUDES AS TO WHAT IT TAKES TO HAVE A DECENT BOARD IN DELAWARE AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO?[/QUOTE]Maybe we can just get lurkers to implicitly report by getting them to run ads for all "their" girls. It'll populate USAAC at least.
I have a good one for the douchebaggery report. It seems Uncle LEO paid the Claymont crew a visit today. Didn't catch them but were at the desk with pictures asking questions. This is what happens when posters go stupid. Instead of short and to-the-point, someone started bragging and giving WAY too much detail- Exact location, pricing, physical acts, etc. It says at the bottom no exact address or you will be banned. He didn't give the room number, but gave evreything else. Got busy tooting his own horn and lost his f-ing mind. I guess he thought he was logged into Penthouse Forum. When they confronted him, he said he didn't feel it was that exact. It was cryptic, but a second grader could have figured it out. Now, they aren't seeing anybody and are going into hiding for a while. They really can't afford that.
To the monger who tipped them off this morning, thanks! It was a close call.
Rant over,
Waahoo.
[I]Been getting requests to share contact info for girls I have seen & posted about. It is amazing how many dudes feel "entitled" to contact info. So here is an open letter to one of those that contacted me. The guility party should get the message, but it serves as a "guide" to others- hopefully![/I]
Hey XYZ987,
My apologies, but you are getting my less charitable side dude to recent events.
1) While you're a senior, most of your posts are down in Charm City and no posts in DE. [I]How's that help the DE cause?[/I].
2) Your last post was over 6-months ago and only 6 in all of 2016, only two could be considered "reports" on dates, and those only in reply to others. [I]What? You thought I wouldn't check?[/I].
3) You didn't even bother to offer up anything to share. [I] SERIOUSLY? Not even a common courtesy? WOW![/I].
4) And this is the killer. One of your fellow Balto posters got the girl's number and beat her out of money! [I]One bad apple spoils it for the whole bunch![/I].
So why should I help you out? What is in it for me? Huh? You contribute nothing in the area that would be useful to me, you are not really an active poster and you didn't even have the courtesy to offer up something in trade. WHAT? Just because you are a Sr member makes you "entitled" to a handout? REALLY?
I'm just sayin'.
CL.
If this is the wrong thread for a general B&C, by all means relocate it to the proper forum. So, can anyone here actually claim that they have ever seen a massage provider, AT A PARLOR, who was accurately pictured in an ad? The flooding of AMP ad's with these pics of the HOTTEST asian women on the planet is just simply redundant. And quite frankly, annoying af! Pictured is a 21 yr old dime piece. In reality, a 45 yr old grocery bagger. Look, I'm not saying that they're not still good at providing the service, but come! On! Maaaan! 4 out of every 5 ads on BP is of a "Grand Opening" for an AMP with pictures of women (highly airbrushed) who have never even stepped foot in this country, none the less in Delaware.
So in all seriousness, Can anyone verify a single AMP ad in Delaware that has used a legitimate / accurate picture of their providers?
Complaint, done. For now.
[QUOTE=GioBeYourBody;3473721]If this is the wrong thread for a general B&C, by all means relocate it to the proper forum. So, can anyone here actually claim that they have ever seen a massage provider, AT A PARLOR, who was accurately pictured in an ad? The flooding of AMP ad's with these pics of the HOTTEST asian women on the planet is just simply redundant. And quite frankly, annoying af! Pictured is a 21 yr old dime piece. In reality, a 45 yr old grocery bagger. Look, I'm not saying that they're not still good at providing the service, but come! On! Maaaan! 4 out of every 5 ads on BP is of a "Grand Opening" for an AMP with pictures of women (highly airbrushed) who have never even stepped foot in this country, none the less in Delaware.
So in all seriousness, Can anyone verify a single AMP ad in Delaware that has used a legitimate / accurate picture of their providers?
Complaint, done. For now.[/QUOTE]There's a place in Elkton just across the Newark border that uses real pics. It's been a while since I've went there, but I the girls in the ad at the time were the ones that I saw. The girls from before seemed to have nicer bodies than the current lineup.
[URL]http://delaware.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/400-real-new-face-asian-baby-443-553-5922/5583592[/URL]
[QUOTE=GioBeYourBody;3473721]If this is the wrong thread for a general B&C, by all means relocate it to the proper forum. So, can anyone here actually claim that they have ever seen a massage provider, AT A PARLOR, who was accurately pictured in an ad? The flooding of AMP ad's with these pics of the HOTTEST asian women on the planet is just simply redundant. And quite frankly, annoying af! Pictured is a 21 yr old dime piece. In reality, a 45 yr old grocery bagger. Look, I'm not saying that they're not still good at providing the service, but come! On! Maaaan! 4 out of every 5 ads on BP is of a "Grand Opening" for an AMP with pictures of women (highly airbrushed) who have never even stepped foot in this country, none the less in Delaware.
So in all seriousness, Can anyone verify a single AMP ad in Delaware that has used a legitimate / accurate picture of their providers?
Complaint, done. For now.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think the one in Elkton / Newark near that Wawa uses real pics. Crystal Spa up in Wilmington used to use real pics but their new girls aren't on the website but some of the old girls are on the site (but most of them aren't available any more). I think the one that labels themselves as Sand's Spa on Maryland Ave uses real pics. I also believe the video shot by the spot at 201. S Maryland is the real girl.
Other than that, you are completely correct. Most of these spots advertise with fake pics and hags answer the door.
[QUOTE=Jersjay;3474783]There's a place in Elkton just across the Newark border that uses real pics. It's been a while since I've went there, but I the girls in the ad at the time were the ones that I saw. The girls from before seemed to have nicer bodies than the current lineup.
[URL]http://delaware.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/400-real-new-face-asian-baby-443-553-5922/5583592[/URL][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Explorer21;3479075]Yeah, I think the one in Elkton / Newark near that Wawa uses real pics. Crystal Spa up in Wilmington used to use real pics but their new girls aren't on the website but some of the old girls are on the site (but most of them aren't available any more). I think the one that labels themselves as Sand's Spa on Maryland Ave uses real pics. I also believe the video shot by the spot at 201. S Maryland is the real girl.
Other than that, you are completely correct. Most of these spots advertise with fake pics and hags answer the door.[/QUOTE]Thank you Jers and Explorer for your responses and link, respectively. I have found this genre of mongering to be the most disappointing of them all for Delaware. With SW's, you obviously know what you're getting right on the spot. With BP esc's, you can usually find enough reviews to make a sound decision. But with these AMP ads, unless you head up to Philly, chances are your provider is going to be a prune grandmother servicing you, but the ads are of a ripe flower.
[QUOTE=GioBeYourBody;3479941]Thank you Jers and Explorer for your responses and link, respectively. I have found this genre of mongering to be the most disappointing of them all for Delaware. With SW's, you obviously know what you're getting right on the spot. With BP esc's, you can usually find enough reviews to make a sound decision. But with these AMP ads, unless you head up to Philly, chances are your provider is going to be a prune grandmother servicing you, but the ads are of a ripe flower.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I don't even bother with AMPs in DE at the moment. There's too many mediocre places, and even if you stumble across a decent girl she'll be gone the next week.
For my AMP itch, I hit up DaDaDa in SNJ. Even if they aren't spring chickens, they all have great bodies and the TS and ST are better than most other places.
I'm sure you guys have heard of Exotic Philly Models (google it if not) in Philly. It houses some very fine ladies (accurateish photoshopish photos on their site). Of course, most of them have gone through surgery but aesthetically. For 250 it is a great deal. This is considering the 160-180 range for FS at most parlors here. Multiple pops are allowed (maybe 2 max. But between two showers and 2 pops, there isn't time for much more in a 60 min session) and I've never tipped beyond the initial rate. This is just a heads up because even Philly can be a hit or miss when visiting those regular parlors. From my experience, the hit rate of getting a younger lady is higher. But the shape and size is variable. I could probably group most of my DE encounters into a more consistent range.
If you guys haven't heard of it, BBBJ is on the menu and P2 P can be had as well. Depending on your comfort level of activities, be proactive because it happens so quick you don't even know until it is too late.
Of course, the problem is the drive. 45 minutes isn't bad, but the total round trip ends up being about 3 hours plus parking annoyances.
[QUOTE=Explorer21;3482588]I'm sure you guys have heard of Exotic Philly Models (google it if not) in Philly. It houses some very fine ladies (accurateish photoshopish photos on their site). Of course, most of them have gone through surgery but aesthetically. For 250 it is a great deal. This is considering the 160-180 range for FS at most parlors here. Multiple pops are allowed (maybe 2 max. But between two showers and 2 pops, there isn't time for much more in a 60 min session) and I've never tipped beyond the initial rate. This is just a heads up because even Philly can be a hit or miss when visiting those regular parlors. From my experience, the hit rate of getting a younger lady is higher. But the shape and size is variable. I could probably group most of my DE encounters into a more consistent range.
If you guys haven't heard of it, BBBJ is on the menu and P2 P can be had as well. Depending on your comfort level of activities, be proactive because it happens so quick you don't even know until it is too late.
Of course, the problem is the drive. 45 minutes isn't bad, but the total round trip ends up being about 3 hours plus parking annoyances.[/QUOTE]While working in Philly this was by far my favorite, while on the high end it is a place everyone should experience at least once. Follow the reviews on the Philly board and you may just wind up going for a visit.
The origin of the phrase "poetry reading" comes from this thread:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage&p=2394419&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2394419.
The use of the phrase "poetry reading" in that post referred to a person taking a book, kindle, tablet or some other media with words on it and going through the process of reading words (poetry) out load or verbalizing the words on said media. It was suggested that perhaps a young lady reading poetry out loud might be a turn on to some. That is all that was intended. Some type of action that could be legally contracted for and paid for that would NOT infer anything illegal was going on.
But using "poetry reading" as a euphemism or "code words" for oral sex and talking about money is clearly an illegal act.
To paraphrase that post:
[I]The bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping, poetry reading or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay a girl to read Emily Dickinson to you if you want, if that heats you up. If you want to talk to all of your potential dates about illegal things that include "sex acts for money," then hey, one would have said what LE needs to be said in order to make an arrest, But if you have an agreement with your date to read poetry to you and have your copy of Emily Dickinson with you then fine; what happens after that was NOT implied or contracted for and thus might be hard to prove was paid for.[/I]
But hey, if one uses "poetry reading" as a euphemism for some form of sex, then they have blurred the lines and left them self open to being charged with illegal activities.
I expect too much:
* I expect a girl to respond to a text message sooner than 12-minutes, AFTER we have already started texting back & forth.
* I expect a girl to NOT blow up and get all huffy while we are texting.
* I expect she isn't going to flat out lie to me: "I paid for automatic reposting" when posting on CL Causal Encounters.
* I expect a girl ought to have a modicum of "customer service" skills while texting as a prelude to "customer service" when reading T. S. Elliot.
(302) 400-5049.
So no one likes getting ripped off, cheated or scammed. It s*cks and especially if one has a week's load on and is hanging a set of blue b*lls. You think you are about to get the relief you need and BAM it happens.
Yeah, been there done that so have sympathy for others that have that experience.
But take it as a badge of honor, a step in the learning process of dating, tuition paid to the school of mongering! If one has NEVER been ripped off, cheated, scammed or whatever they don't have much experience in the game. It happens to all of us.
But when it happens, accept it as part of the "education" that goes into this skill. [i]Oh yeah, many think it is just getting laid and there is no skill or learning needed.[/i] Sigh. But to be a little snowflake and b*tch all over the place about one's bad experience just has me shaking my head. Most of the time that I had a bad experience, I was able to look back and see a place where I went wrong, missed a clue or messed up following "the rules". But hey, I only got there when I swallowed my pride and took an honest look at myself and how I played the game. Yeah, I had to admit I made a mistake, try to find it and then remember that mistake so that I could learn and grow from it. Keeping the pain of the mistake up front motivated me to not make it again.
I have dealt with many of the girls that have been complained about and have either had no experience (took a pass) or had no troubles. Oh sure I can see where the troubles could exist, but haven't had any problems. No, I'm not some super monger, have no Vulcan mind tricks, have no special Jedi Force in my favor, just a dude who has experienced a lot of situations and learned from them. I guess for me I have become some what of a nice-guy "hard azz"? Was talking about the industry with a girl the other day and she volunteered that she would never try XYZ with me as she could tell that I wouldn't put up with it. She said I seemed very "street!" That really set me back! Me? F'in "street?" No f'in way! I grew up so white bread that tofu eating, whole-wheat vegans cross over to the other side of the street when they see me walking down the sidewalk. But I don't purse a date when trouble starts to appear. No, I don't try to "turn things" to my favor or manipulate her or bend her to my will or any of that ego satisfying stuff. I just walk away.
But the "street" comment did shake me to where I looked back at things. How did I get here and "where" am I? I guess I'll say this. I never monger with a HUGE set of blue b*lls, or at least always make certain that the BIG head is in charge before the little head gets its satisfaction. I have surfed all over CL, BP, Eros and other sites for girls. I guess I have gotten to the place where I know what I want, what my limits are, what I will put up with, what I won't do and how I want to play the game. Can't tell you how many dates I turn away, walk away from or just stop pursuing when I see rules being broken, girls unwilling to cooperate or giving attitude up front. If one isn't willing to or able to dump a girl at the first sign of trouble, then one is in trouble from the get go.
Shoot the other day I scooped a girl off Upper LA, made the appropriate actions for safety and then got into a discussion of the Poetry I wanted her to read. Right away she expressed a dislike for Shakespeare so I pulled the car over, stopped and offered for her to exit. Suddenly, The Baird was her favorite poet. But without a firm willingness to end our budding relationship she would not have adjusted. Also, if I had been half-hearted in my stance, she would have sensed it and then she would not back down AND would have taken a free UPPER-hand in the relationship. Also, if she had balked again at any of the other particulars, then I would have dropped her off! I guess I grew a backbone at some point in this game, as being firm like that doesn't bother me anymore.
Then again, perhaps I've just become an azzhole? I guess for me "playing games" with a girl just insures some "games" come back to me and who needs that?
As far as giving a girl money up front for promised reductions on future dates? PULEEEEEZ! Just know that any money you give a girl, especially that which goes to a girl that is medicated is lost funds. Forget about "fairness" or what is right, etc. These girls live in world that is not of their control. Heroine is a terrible foe that grips a soul and doesn't let go, even in spite of an occasional "detox. " But then again, I get it. Been there and done that too! I think there is something in Males DNA that naturally makes them inclined to be a "white knight. " Perhaps culturally or some way we are socialized, we like to be the "hero" - ride in on a White Horse and save the day? I know early on I was that way. But in the long run, doing that is the wrong move and the "reward" you want to get for the "hero move" isn't there and isn't coming. So if you front money, do it out of kindness and sympathy, not because you think it will provide future benefits.
I use to b / c with a monger who got ripped off by a SWer he had developed into a regular date. First time it happened I told him to move on to Plan B. He didn't. She made a bunch of promises and he went back. Over a period of time the dude got ripped off by this girl 6-times and kept going back! Yeah, I know. Pretty extreme. But if you had something really good going with a girl, just how many times would you let her stiff you? I know, it is a pain to find one great enough to be a regular (one who really rocks your world each & every time), so one can be willing to ignore an occasional "bad behavior. ".
But the point is, no matter how good your intentions, how nice of a guy you are, how well you treat a girl, you let her take advantage of you once and you now have "sucker" tattooed to your forehead as far as she is concerned.
I NEVER have a girl blowing up my phone asking for money: 1) I use GV so it is isolated and never bothersome as I only deal with it when I wish and 2) I don't play those games- I just tell them NO! No wishy-washy "maybe," just a firm & polite NO! After a couple of tries, they quit trying and they go blow up one of you guys' phones! Saying NO! Has never hurt me from getting a date with them. Ever. So I don't let them victimize me or tell them if they do they are done (and mean it!
So from this chair, me thinks it is all about how one plays the game. It can be done, it does take some time & learning, but if a dolt like me can get there, you can too!
Good Luck Mongering!
I see reports of girls, or pictures or videos that demonstrate that a girl engages in BBFS and mongers jump in and are shocked or thinking that a girl has really "fallen" if she does.
That leaves me shaking my head.
From my experience, I just assume that any girl who is addicted to anything is offering BBFS. When one is Jonesing and NEEDS their meds, then a girl will do anything to get those meds, which usually means BBFS if requested. Problem with that, IMHO, is that at the point she is Jonesing, she has no control over who she has bareback sex with- she has to take whatever offer that comes along. (MSM, AAs, etc) So from this chair, that adds a huge risk to the equation (my personal evaluation of "risk. ").
Second, when I am evaluating who to play with and especially who to avoid, I always ask a girl if BBFS is available. Now this is tricky, as it highly depends on the way one asks. Use a judgemental tone or an accusatory style or anything that indicates a preference [I](hard to not do)[/I] and the girl will answer, "NO!" Have had that response ever from girls I know another dude has done BBFS with. So the point is that, when I have asked in the right way, about 75% of girls will agree to BBFS!
So the point is that in my experience, [b] most girls will play bare without a condom under the "right" conditions. [color=red]To assume anything less is in my view naive. [/color][/b] Don't be shocked when a report, picture or video comes out that shows or states that a girl engages BBFS. Unless one asks, the right way, it is a pretty safe bet she is doing BBFS with others. Again, if a girl is an addict, all bets are off- just assume she does do BBFS with others.
Now that said, playing with a condom EVERY time is a sure way to drop one's risk of 'catching something' and thus a safer way to play with any girl that does do BBFS with others.
[i]there are threads on this website that discuss safe sex practices, etc. lots of information has been posted there over the years. Good place to go to start to understand and evaluate "risk." Discussion of BBFS practices are only permitted in those threads, so use them.[/i]
Agreed Ceph, I always roll with my Samuel Coleridge Book!
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3643291]The origin of the phrase "poetry reading" comes from this thread:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage&p=2394419&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2394419.
The use of the phrase "poetry reading" in that post referred to a person taking a book, kindle, tablet or some other media with words on it and going through the process of reading words (poetry) out load or verbalizing the words on said media. It was suggested that perhaps a young lady reading poetry out loud might be a turn on to some. That is all that was intended. Some type of action that could be legally contracted for and paid for that would NOT infer anything illegal was going on.
But using "poetry reading" as a euphemism or "code words" for oral sex and talking about money is clearly an illegal act.
To paraphrase that post:
[I]The bottom line is that paying for a rubdown, dancing, stripping, poetry reading or some other service is NOT illegal. You can pay a girl to read Emily Dickinson to you if you want, if that heats you up. If you want to talk to all of your potential dates about illegal things that include "sex acts for money," then hey, one would have said what LE needs to be said in order to make an arrest, But if you have an agreement with your date to read poetry to you and have your copy of Emily Dickinson with you then fine; what happens after that was NOT implied or contracted for and thus might be hard to prove was paid for.[/I]
But hey, if one uses "poetry reading" as a euphemism for some form of sex, then they have blurred the lines and left them self open to being charged with illegal activities.[/QUOTE]
[I]LOL! Just took a Dale Carnegie Course, so working on my skills to win friends and influence people! (That's a joke Son!) [/I]
Hey guys, have been out at various times and various places and always seem to see something out there. Window shopping in DE isn't straight forward and perhaps I have been at this WAY too long? But with 5 stroll areas to cover there is usually something out on one of them during normal [U]waking[/U] hours. Yeah, it varies from time to time. Years ago (many) Rte 9 was a hot spot and mostly the "go to" spot. The the hilltop became happening and MDA grew up, then ULA and at one point The Box was the mentioned hotspot. GPB still is good if that kind of thing & danger are your cup of tea. SO.....the point is that if one is going out at the same time each trip and traveling the same stroll, then as luck might have it, you could be fishing the wrong hole or the wrong time for that hole? Perhaps it would help to mix it up a bit?
Right now I'd say MDA is a bit light but doable, yet even the girls lament their friends who are in Baylor, a result of the Sept "clean up. " Recently I have scooped Keisha from The Box and reports are that the "ghost" (Lauren) is still around. 4th Street is 4th and usually something to be seen, but not always something anyone wants to hire to wash yer windows. But of recent LA has been most active during my travels. I have seen Amy on about 6 occasions, usually at night and usually after dropping off a regular girl. Amy, IMHO, is a disaster and to be avoided. So all youse should rush out and scoop her, pay her GPS prices and deal with her volatile attitude. But she is there. Also out there is Stacy and Diana, usually after 8 PM.
Oh and then there is Michelle in her black & red checkerboard. I have scooped her three times in a week. The latest scoop at 11:15 AM today. Have also seen & avoided Ashley (the one with BF following at times) and Vicky / Victoria who is the reincarnation of "Brook the Crook. " Sheet! How are so many girls out & around if NOTHING is out? LOL!
Oh and the creme de la creme was today I found (again) Ashley (with the blue eyes) on before mentioned "dead zone" MDA at around 11:30 PM. WTF? I thought the streets were clean? On top of that she mentioned about a half-dozen girls she knew who were still walking that stroll and an equal amount who were on vacation or OD'ed.
So all of that said, I get it. When I first started, I drove the same strolls that others on these threads were posting their scoop / success stories and I never saw a single thing. I was baffled as to what these guys were seeing and what was "the look. " But with time and LOTS of window shopping I started to learn.
Yeah, it looks easy in the movies, but safe mongering in DE is another story. Also as of recent the game has shifted a bit, it is more subtle. If a girl stands in one place too long she is vulnerable to getting ticketed for loitering or just having a solicitation charge tossed on, because they feel like it. So most are walking. For me it is the way they walk, what they look like, how they are dressed and few other non-verbal clues that I guess have become second nature.
I drive looking a couple hundred yards ahead and quickly can tell if the figure is M or F and then if the F is a likely candidate.
If I see a girl waving at cars, too well dressed or standing out from "the norm" I look around for her Uncles. But hard to describe what are the exact clues, but I do know it took a while to get or internalize them. Now they are second nature.
So if one isn't "seeing" anything out, and one is new, BE PATIENT. This is a skill, just like any other skill that just takes some time to learn and then master. Problem is that rushing into things can be dangerous for a few reasons. So take some time to read some of the history here, find the maps of the locations of the strolls and don't be afraid to ask "how to" questions.
Shoot, way back when, I learned a heck of a lot from the old timers here. I even remember how green I was when I posted about "observing" a girl on a pay phone at the Gulf Gas Station at 9 & Memorial and asking what were the chances that was a SWer! lol Like I said, takes a bit of time to learn to "see. " LOL!
All fwiw! Stay safe, monger on, and never stop learning!
OK so THREE reports from girls on their personal experiences with the September Sweep. [B]The reason these girls got arrested was STUPID MONGERS![/B] I guess most guys out there do not read this website and have no idea of the [U]22 Rules for Street Mongering.[/U] Also guess most have been too lazy to watch 20-min of Video from the [I]Busted: A Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters.[/I] So....these guys F'd the whole thing up for the rest of us and especially for the girls!
Look, in 3 out of 3 cases LE rolled up on a car with a girl and a dude in the car. She was suspected of being a 'working girl.' Now the Police had ZERO direct evidence that anything illegal was going on: they did not personally hear a conversation, did not see any exchange of money, etc. Just some dude picking up a girl and offering her a ride. But they did do [b]what police do: try to get the parties to admit to or confess to a crime.[/b] In all three cases the girls just said that they were getting a ride from the guy and did not admit to doing anything wrong. If one is following the rules, they should have made a few turns and be out of the area where the girls was scooped before discussing any legal services the girl might provide, like window washing, back rub or dancing. [b]So to get pulled over on the stroll, having had discussions about illegal things while still in the area, is just plain stupid.[/b]
Second, what happened in all three cases was that LE told the guys they could not "help them out" if they did cooperate! WTF! Again, if one is not educated on how to deal respectfully with LE, they are going to fall for this kind of cr at ap! [color=red][b]The police are not there to "help you out" they are there to get you to confess to a crime so that no attorney can get you off.[/b][/color] So in these three cases the stupid dude admitted to committing a crime in Delaware, said that he had offered the girl money for sex acts! Dumb, just plain dumb! Why would one ever commit a crime and then give up their 5th Amendment Rights (right to not self incriminate)? So because the dumb dudes admitted to a crime, they got a ticket and the girl got locked up! Now just how was it that LE "help out" the dude??
All of this is unnecessary IF 1) One follows the Rules, 2) One learns how to act during LE encounters and 3) One doesn't do anything illegal in the first place.
Oh and how do I know about all of this? Gee, girls I gave a ride to and who I hired to washed my windows, once I had left the area, they told me first hand all about it.
SMH. I guess there will always be stupid mongers out there, but there is no need for it if one is willing to recognize that there are ways to operate appropriately and legally. AND are willing to take the time to "learn. "
Not sure what is going on out there? Rich & dumb mongers? Girls with GPS? BP girls forced to wander into the streets?
Have been running into girls who start outrageously HIGH in prices for washing windows and other legal services. Look, I don't care if a girl [u]was[/u] a BP girl, or [u]was[/u] on the highest priced window-washing websites- if she is scooped off of the streets; One pays street rates! If she a SW on BP, one pays BP rates! It depends on where you find the girl as to the pricing structure. Girls know this, just seems like guys don't or are too afraid. When I started, it took teh advice of some experienced mongers here to set me straight.
Look, street prices start at around 20 - 30 for one window and go 30-40 for several windows. If you want something special like polishing your bumper or the license plate that hangs from it, that is gunna be extra.
But what is it? Seems like dudes either don't know the price schedule, don't care or are willing to pay too much? How you handle negotiations will show the girl your level of experience and / or vulnerability. Be wishy-washy, hesitant, unsure or waiver and one is vulnerable to all kinds of scams & games! [I](give me the money, I need to pop in this store & buy ____ & cigs, and I'll be right back!) among other things [/I].
I will say this. NOTHING is available for $5, $10 or $15. You start there and you have insulted the girl and she will probably turn you down. Anyone taking that level of payment is Jonesing and not what you probably want to deal with. There are other dangers inherent with that too.
So I bet a few are thinking I am full of it? It depends on the size of b@lls one is hanging, if they are thinking with the BIG head and a willingness to dump off a girl. (Technique).
Let me give a recent example: Offered a ride to a girl, one that has been recently mentioned. Asked her if she would be willing to wash my windows (all of them). She wanted 80 $! OMFG that is BP prices! I told her. "No! Street prices are 30-40. " Stating that, usually, in my experience, focuses the conversation and gets things rational. [I](NOT stating that, labels one as a "mark" "sucker" or inexperienced - all labels are ones a girl is more likely to take advantage of or at least try) [/I] In this case, She argued a bit, so I pulled the car over and offered her a chance to step back into the weather. She quickly changed her mind and agreed to street prices. But the key is one has to be polite and have conviction. Thinking with the little head at that point and one is going to over pay and get "marked!
So the bottom line is know the prices for the street when playing there and don't be willing to overpay.
How are prices set on the street? The price of drugs! No idea what crack or pills cost, but have been told a baggie of dope runs $5 and a bundle (13 baggies) runs $25 to $35. So depending on the girls "needs," that will drive the prices. Of course there are those trying to get food, pay rent, buy clothes, etc.
Look, if a girl does a nice job on my windows and they are streak free, I often give her a tip or offer to stop in a store and buy cigs, food, drink, etc. But the point is that I never offer to pay more than street prices when she is standing at the local labor pool. Everyone likes being recognized for doing a good job. Just don't start with the tip included in the original price or it isn't recognized as such.
Oh and you will always hear about the one dude that paid her $350, took her to dinner and all he wanted to do was talk for an hour. These are either fantasies, pure prunes or one-offs situations. Don't let these sway you. No honor in over paying!
I'm just sayin'.
This is why I am just way too paranoid to even attempt a SW. I get nervous enough doing BP even when there is a review on here or another site. I always envision the FBI busting through the door or something!
You really make some very good points in all pf your posts. Especially in reference to saying "no".
I need to get better at that.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3674720]OK so THREE reports from girls on their personal experiences with the September Sweep. [B]The reason these girls got arrested was STUPID MONGERS![/B] I guess most guys out there do not read this website and have no idea of the [U]22 Rules for Street Mongering.[/U] Also guess most have been too lazy to watch 20-min of Video from the [I]Busted: A Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters.[/I] So....these guys F'd the whole thing up for the rest of us and especially for the girls!
Look, in 3 out of 3 cases LE rolled up on a car with a girl and a dude in the car. She was suspected of being a 'working girl.' Now the Police had ZERO direct evidence that anything illegal was going on: they did not personally hear a conversation, did not see any exchange of money, etc. Just some dude picking up a girl and offering her a ride. But they did do [b]what police do: try to get the parties to admit to or confess to a crime.[/b] In all three cases the girls just said that they were getting a ride from the guy and did not admit to doing anything wrong. If one is following the rules, they should have made a few turns and be out of the area where the girls was scooped before discussing any legal services the girl might provide, like window washing, back rub or dancing. [b]So to get pulled over on the stroll, having had discussions about illegal things while still in the area, is just plain stupid.[/b]
Second, what happened in all three cases was that LE told the guys they could not "help them out" if they did cooperate! WTF! Again, if one is not educated on how to deal respectfully with LE, they are going to fall for this kind of cr at ap! So in these three cases the stupid dude admitted to committing a crime in Delaware, said that he had offered the girl money for sex acts! Dumb, just plain dumb! Why would one ever commit a crime and then give up their 5th Amendment Rights (right to not self incriminate)? So because the dumb dudes admitted to a crime, they got a ticket and the girl got locked up! Now just how was it that LE "help out" the dude??
All of this is unnecessary IF 1) One follows the Rules, 2) One learns how to act during LE encounters and 3) One doesn't do anything illegal in the first place.
Oh and how do I know about all of this? Gee, girls I gave a ride to and who I hired to washed my windows, once I had left the area, they told me first hand all about it.
SMH. I guess there will always be stupid mongers out there, but there is no need for it if one is willing to recognize that there are ways to operate appropriately and legally. AND are willing to take the time to "learn. "[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BareInBear;3684761]This is why I am just way too paranoid to even attempt a SW. I get nervous enough doing BP even when there is a review on here or another site. I always envision the FBI busting through the door or something!
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Point is that IF one is offering a girl a ride, then stopped by LE or not, one is not doing anything illegal and other than some inconvenience no worries.
When I started out in the hobby, I was equally or more so concerned or paranoid. But to overcome that I got an "education. " Read extensively here and asked others technique questions, etc. One can learn here, from the experience of others or through the "school of hard knocks!" Look, seeing just "reviewed girls" is no assurance of safety. If one does not learn how to play the game then IMHO one is placing them self at risk. One needs to develop some "Spidey Senses" and that doesn't come from reviewed girls only, it comes from education & experiences.
Minimum for SWers. Read until one has MEMORIZED the 22 Rules. Similar for BP / internet dating. Read those 25 rules & memorize. AND Memorize the Video. Busted: A citizen's guide.
Second, one needs to understand that should one offer compensation for sex acts that that is a misdemeanor crime. Too low level for the feds to get involved. However, traffic girls, pimp or do anything statutory related and then all bets are off. But hey, scoop a girl on MDA and before you pull off, start talking about sex acts for money and IF yer uncle swoops in, all bets are off.
I don't think it is relevant that one is seeing only reviewed girls, BP ones or SWers, LE can swoop in at any time and arrest you. Often they do it as a deterrent and let the lawyers sort it out. So when that happens if one is not "educated" they are going to fall for the "let me help you out" stuff and incriminate them self.
So I'd encourage getting as much education as possible. One usually gets lessons to take up golf, why not an education for this skill or hobby? Not hard to do, just takes some time.
Good luck!
LOL! She wants a Daddy? Got to love these girls with GPS and a HUGE attitude! Asked normal questions of this girl the other day and she immediately BLEW UP on me!
Wants 300 for a "no limits" date, which means she is f*cking guys bareback! Also has an demeanor of "take it or leave it. " No discussion of anything, just quickly to "attitude. ".
So one has to wonder about her ultimate service and friendliness when one meets. Get upset quickly over some benign email questions?
So go rush and see her as NOW apparently she is reviewed here. Hope it works out for ya! LOL!
Douchbaggery at its best.
Haha I can't even imagine the in person encounter.
How quickly do you think the 300 would turn into.
600?
And who bites on this stuff and actually goes to see them?
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3687487]LOL! She wants a Daddy? Got to love these girls with GPS and a HUGE attitude! Asked normal questions of this girl the other day and she immediately BLEW UP on me!
Wants 300 for a "no limits" date, which means she is f*cking guys bareback! Also has an demeanor of "take it or leave it. " No discussion of anything, just quickly to "attitude. ".
So one has to wonder about her ultimate service and friendliness when one meets. Get upset quickly over some benign email questions?
So go rush and see her as NOW apparently she is reviewed here. Hope it works out for ya! LOL!
Douchbaggery at its best.[/QUOTE]
So there was an incident where a date happened and something went wrong or something off the rails. Hey, it happens. In fact, if one really mongers long enough, it happens to all of us. But every time it happened to me, when I calmed down, manned up and took a serious look at my actions, I was able to find places where I lead to my own demise. There are "rules" out there. [color=gray][i]( 22 Rules for Street Mongering / Rules for BackPage Mongering )[/i][/color] Rules that are advice from others who have F'ed up and learned from it. So one can get jealous that someone else gives advice or one can learn from that advice. [I](The alternative is to make all of the mistakes on one's own.)[/I].
Anyway, there was an "incident" that happened and the dude blew up all over these boards sounding the alarm. OK, where there is smoke there is usually fire and when a dude has a bad experience, mongers are wise to take heed. I usually just avoid anyone who has a bad report or is the subject of an "incident. " But in this case, I happened to be seeing the girl who was the subject of this "incident. " So normally, I am a "bros before hoes" guy, but in this case the level of the charge was so outrageous I was shocked. It just did not fit with my experience of the girl. Anyway. Was always raised that there are two sides to any story, so I went and sought out the info so I could make a fair evaluation.
First, I contacted the poster (privately) who claimed he had been ripped off and gave him a chance to tell his side of the story. I got an indignant reply and part of the story. In trading emails, not only did his story change, but what he eventually posted on these boards was materially different than what was reported to me. Hmmmmm. A changing story. So rather than admit he was wrong, had F'ed up and tried to learn from his mistakes, he had a tantrum all over these boards. Oh and alienated a few dudes who had been helpful to him in the past. Pure Douchbaggery!
Second, I also talked to the girl. AFTER we had a very nice date. (I never had any problems with the girl, of course I some of what I have learned help me operate in a way that would not allow problems.) I asked her enough questions that I am sure she thought I was affiliated with LE. You know a long series of questions about the incident and then coming back to key questions several times as to see if the "story" of what happened would change. What I noted was that her story NEVER CHANGED.
Third, I spoke with and PMed a few other trusted mongers that I knew had dated this girl or who were in the process of dating her regularly. What I found interesting was that they too had talked to the girl about the incident. I asked the mongers what was the "story" she told them and I was astonished to hear that they got the EXACT same story that she told me. Now get this, she told the exact same story to me and to two other mongers of what happened in this "incident!" A consistent report of the incident to three guys. Hmmmm.
So, I'm no Solomon, but weighing what I found: a dude who had a tantrum here and his story changed when relating it to me and changed even more when reporting it on the threads and a girl who reported a totally different story, but was consistent in her reporting of what happened! So who does one believe? Why?
Me, I get it! When one F*cks up, it is hard to admit it to ones self and very easy to just trash the other person on social media (this site being the only SM for mongering around). I guess it makes us feel good to trash and "hurt" a girl when something goes wrong. The problem is making our self "feel good" is a band-aid. It does nothing to cure the "problems" that allowed the incident to occur in the first place. So one feels good but never learns, never corrects their mistakes. I can guarantee that the mistakes will repeat and more grief will happen. (been there, done that!) So hey, life is just choices. One can choose to "get an education" and become a good monger or one can admit their mistakes, learn grow and avoid future drama.
Look, this stuff isn't hard stuff. It is just "hard" for some to learn to adapt or adjust their approach! I get that- I took me quite a few "incidents" before I looked in the mirror and admitted that the things I had done contributed to the "incident. " Looking back now, I can hardly believe how stupid I was! (In one "incident," I gave a girl some money to pay for a room, while I hid around the corner, out of sight. Yep, of course she saw the "sucker" label on my forehead & bounced! LOL!
We are often dealing with girls who are "street wise". They meet dudes all day, every day and if they want to stay alive the girls have to be able to quickly read a dude. So they have some "training!" What do we have to counter that? Oh wait! I know! This is mongering, no education needed, just watch a movie or TV & one will learn everything!
So hey, not saying that one should not report bad incidents. But am saying that it makes a more credible report when one points out the mistake they made (in effect publicly acknowledging the error) and stating what they could have done differently to avoid the incident. But to embellish the facts of incident or change it from one thing to another is just douchebaggery. Oh and even if one is repentant, if the issue gets brought up again, then one's true repentance can be judged by how one responds: sticks with the embellished story or correct the facts and and admit the error?
I'm just saying!
Hey, I have been ripped off, scammed and had bad dates more than a few times. But from those experiences and from the experiences & help of others, I learned some techniques of dating to avoid bad situations.
Years ago there was a mature gal on MDA, K. She knew everyone, was friendly, kind and a good date. In fact, I called her "The Mayoress" of MDA. From time to time I would stop and just chat with K to learn "the news" of what was happening on the streets (always tossed K a few bucks for her time). Since K knew I wasn't dating her exclusively (I never hid that from K) she was open with me. K gave me a list of girls to avoid, girls I placed on a "no fly" list of sorts. When K wander on in life, C became the new Mayoress. C also was open to sharing a "no fly list" with me. (C has also moved on in life).
The point being that I had a list of girls who were either known to rip guys off or who had health issues. So I always mongered with at least $5 in a pocket in case I scooped a "no fly girl;" I could eject her with a parting favor. Luckily I only had to exercise that 'parting favor' trick a few times. But I have no doubt that saved me some serious grief.
But I will say this, I HAVE dated a few of the notorious "no fly girls" - girls who have a reputation for stealing from mongers. How did this happen? Me? I guess I F'ed up! I review the 'no fly list' before setting out each time so it is fresh in my mind. But in these cases, the girl used a different name! WTF! It wasn't until after the dates that a dude told me who that girl really was and in one case the girl told me herself her street name (the name on the no fly list).
So do I have an incident to report from these dates? Was I a victim? Actually, nope! In looking back, I am amazed that I avoided trouble with these girls. Was I lucky each time? Maybe? Perhaps some of the "technique" used helped me avoid an "incident?" But now that I have dated the girls, I know what they look like and can avoid them.
So I see quite a few low post count guys around these parts (Welcome!) but also see a lot of danger and mistakes that I have avoided by using "technique"!
Good mongering only looks easy.
Stay Safe!
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[I] Oh and The Box is not dead! LOL! Had one of my best dates from The Box recently. Maps are posted - Go to the Forum> Special Interests> Amateurs >SW Stroll Maps>post #41. No digits, so no sharing. Oh and WTF? There is more than ONE stroll in Wilmington! [/I][/color]
[QUOTE=RichieG23;3705239]It was most certainly a sting. I obviously made a mistake or two, and did not follow the 21 rule protocol, but there were no cop cars and the only SUVs in the parking lot were a range rover and a jeep Cherokee. I even drove the green turtle parking lot, the border caf parking lot and the wild wings parking lot looking for police type vehicles. None.[/QUOTE]Glad this dude was able to make mistakes and walk away unscathed! Usually the streets are not so forgiving. Perhaps LE is reading here and getting smarter and not leaving bread crumbs behind? (obvious UCLE cars nearby). News Journal left out lots of details that are usually printed (Hmmmm)
Had to comment:
1. There are 22 Rules to Street Mongering. Read all THREE sections!
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules[/URL]
2. There are 24 "rules" for BP dating or dates off the internet.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage[/URL]
3. Doing recon isn't necessarily looking for cop cars. Sure there [I]may[/I] be a few marked cars around the corner, but I am looking for unmarked cars with dudes sitting in them. Also looking for buses, vans, meat packing trucks where a large number of arestees might be processed or transported.
4. Dating at a hotel / motel is always a particular risk as that is where stings happen. (economy of scale) If a girl is legit and not a b*tch, they will usually meet you at a nearby business (in public). The point of that is that LE is not likely to meet you and then have to walk back to the room or get in your car to get there. THEN your job is to ask enough of the [U]right[/U] questions to determine if she is setting you up or not.
5. If one has never mentioned sex for money and even walks into a sting, then there is little to worry about. Save self incrimination when the cop offers to "help you out" or "it will go easier for you" if you talk to them. Watch and memorize the first 20 minutes of:
[URL]https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA[/URL]
But the bottom line. And I keep pounding the table on it. Is get an education before setting out. Think with the BIG head before you let junior out!
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3705690]Glad this dude was able to make mistakes and walk away unscathed! Usually the streets are not so forgiving. Perhaps LE is reading here and getting smarter and not leaving bread crumbs behind? (obvious UCLE cars nearby). News Journal left out lots of details that are usually printed (Hmmmm)
Had to comment:
1. There are 22 Rules to Street Mongering. Read all THREE sections!
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules[/URL]
2. There are 24 "rules" for BP dating or dates off the internet.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?13919-My-Suggestions.-Rules-For-BackPage[/URL]
3. Doing recon isn't necessarily looking for cop cars. Sure there [I]may[/I] be a few marked cars around the corner, but I am looking for unmarked cars with dudes sitting in them. Also looking for buses, vans, meat packing trucks where a large number of arestees might be processed or transported.
4. Dating at a hotel / motel is always a particular risk as that is where stings happen. (economy of scale) If a girl is legit and not a b*tch, they will usually meet you at a nearby business (in public). The point of that is that LE is not likely to meet you and then have to walk back to the room or get in your car to get there. THEN your job is to ask enough of the [U]right[/U] questions to determine if she is setting you up or not.
5. If one has never mentioned sex for money and even walks into a sting, then there is little to worry about. Save self incrimination when the cop offers to "help you out" or "it will go easier for you" if you talk to them. Watch and memorize the first 20 minutes of:
[URL]https://youtu.be/yqMjMPlXzdA[/URL]
But the bottom line. And I keep pounding the table on it. Is get an education before setting out. Think with the BIG head before you let junior out![/QUOTE]Many years ago in the 80's I got nailed twice. Once in Wilmington and once in Philly. Both by street decoys. In Wilmington I was just stopped at a light and a girl asked if I was looking for a date. I responded that I really don't have any money, only $14.00 and some change. Well a hand with a badge is slammed on the windshield by one UC and a gun to my head by the female. That is all that was said. Well a short ride to a parking lot where a polaroid was taken, ticket issued and released. At this point you just want it to go away and not draw much attention. I was not looking for anyone, I was picking up my girlfriend who work at the then Raddison Hotel.
In Philly I stopped for a girl, she pointed me into a parking lot. I pull in and behind a tractor trailer is a greeting party. They however issued three different traffic tickets to make an impression not to come back. But they still required an appearance in court. That came with the cost of a days work and 5 1/2 hours sitting there, again to make an impression not to comeback. I have avoid SW's there since.
Lessons learned and extremely cautious now. I have let my guard down now with the Asians they way they are responding to appointment inquires. One cannot determine who is on the opposite end of the message and some are two explicit. I need to rethink and formulate a new game plan. Because getting caught now would be so detrimental to me.
[QUOTE=JRichard;3706198]Many years ago in the 80's I got nailed twice. Once in Wilmington and once in Philly. Both by street decoys. In Wilmington I was just stopped at a light and a girl asked if I was looking for a date. I responded that I really don't have any money, only $14.00 and some change. Well a hand with a badge is slammed on the windshield by one UC and a gun to my head by the female. That is all that was said. Well a short ride to a parking lot where a polaroid was taken, ticket issued and released. At this point you just want it to go away and not draw much attention. I was not looking for anyone, I was picking up my girlfriend who work at the then Raddison Hotel.
In Philly I stopped for a girl, she pointed me into a parking lot. I pull in and behind a tractor trailer is a greeting party. They however issued three different traffic tickets to make an impression not to come back. But they still required an appearance in court. That came with the cost of a days work and 5 1/2 hours sitting there, again to make an impression not to comeback. I have avoid SW's there since.
Lessons learned and extremely cautious now. I have let my guard down now with the Asians they way they are responding to appointment inquires. One cannot determine who is on the opposite end of the message and some are two explicit. I need to rethink and formulate a new game plan. Because getting caught now would be so detrimental to me.[/QUOTE]Just curious about what you did about all of those tickets? Did you pay the Wilmington one? Sounds like you sat in Court in Philly? What was THAT outcome?
As far as rethinking and reformulating a new game plan, I am sure experienced guys here would be glad to discuss that with you!
[I]So I see another monger has reported on hitting most of the 5 Wilmington Strolls and reporting back. Nice to see someone who has learned what the area has to offer and learned from the info on these forums.[/I]
Some items to be aware of while shopping the strolls and CL:
1) MDA. A girl calls herself Ashley [I](This is the slim blue-eyed blonde, not the infamous Hispanic chick that often runs around with her white BF following and who is always preggers and just recently popped out No. 5 - she's usually 4th or uLA, though occasionally MDA)[/I] This Ashley is a lovely little spinner girl with a sweet personality. [B]Just beware that her BF is probably 10 paces behind her, across the street or watching you somewhere.[/B] He's a slender black dude. When she gets dropped off, she is headed directly to him to hand over any window washing fees she might have earned.
2) Oh and there is Devon, a more mature girl (late 30's? Or older? Kinky hair (tight curls all over), blonde streaks or dye job. Caution: [B]She has GPS on her phone and someone watching her movements, so if you park near the stroll, there is possibility of a visit.[/B] She wants to be in control and will play sweet for you, and try to play that to her advantage. [U]A very strong personality is not afraid to turn on a dime emotionally to get the upper hand.[/U] Professes how clean she is but headed straight into the shooting galley house, across from the mini park.
3) Formerly on MDA now roaming uLA is the exotic looking girl late 30's. 5'6" ish. She looks like a non-Indian Peruvian girl: a mix of white and oriental. [B]She carries a knife and is not above using it[/B] or ripping a guy off at knife point.
4) Oh and a new [B]"no fly list"[/B] emerged from recent travels, three girls generally on MDA, with possible "unmentionable" issues: [B]Tasha, Kayla & Mel.[/B] So hey, now they are "reviewed" so date them at will! LOL! [U]Especially if one has good intact, life-long health insurance![/U].
5) CL girl calls herself LeiLani and located in the "north" Wilmington area. Anyone in the hood that refuses to meet in public before hosting. And who is adamant about ONLY hosting. Is one that should be viewed with caution. On inquiry of doing an out call (heading to the Crown) she asked: "Can I bring my security, ? So he can ensure my safety he won't bother us. " er, gee, does that sound safe to you? If she wants to bring security to out call, does that mean he is there hiding at the incall? Smells like set-up to me. I'm just saying!
6) Another CL girl, calls herself Ashley (24), located off MDA near BK. She has a "brother" who trails the date, is around if you do incall or noting your license plate number if you pick her up for a trip to the crown. Also beware that when communicating with her through email or text, you might actually be talking to "the brother"!
Just a little info to help the cause!
Well the douchebaggery continues around Wilmington. I continue to be shocked at how many low-life mongers are out there.
So I hear from a girl that she was NOT working but headed into a store in the MDA area and a guy approached her and offered her a date. Since she isn't adverse to that, she took him up on the offer. Dude takes her to a vacant property he owns in Richardson Park and engages in sex acts with her. He gives her some money. All seems well and good. But she heads to the store to pay her phone bill and guess what, the money gets turned down. It is counterfeit! Jeez.
So we know the dude's name, have a physical description and a description of the truck he drives. Too bad rules here prohibit posting that identifying information.
WTF is wrong with dudes? Just because a girl is dating does not mean she is sub-human or deserves bad treatment. Shoot using that logic, what does that make the dude who paid her? Lower than a wh*re?
Yeah, I know I am an azzh*le! Guys with under 50 posts frequently text me and tell me so. After all, read a few months of the threads and pick up a handful of girls and of course one is an "expert!
I dunno, don't post much in the way of reports, but that doesn't mean I have no experience or don't know what is going on.
So thought I'd give a taste of my recent experience, all fwiw. Not bragging at all, in fact part of me says nothing to be gained by posting at all. So here goes nothing.
[U]Source of Dates[/U] [I] (shows that I use more than one way to find dates and often keep several lines going at once ) [/I].
3- renewed contact after many years.
5 - street scoops from 4 different strolls: MDA, LA, 4th, The Box.
4 - CL post or replies.
2- referrals from another girl, another monger.
No good deed goes unpunished. Sigh. [I]All my photographic work however on both.[/I].