Under the radar providers is the topic of discussion and how to define them. What is a UTR? Are there different levels of UTR? This thread is not for giving information about UTR's but more about how are they defined.
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Under the radar providers is the topic of discussion and how to define them. What is a UTR? Are there different levels of UTR? This thread is not for giving information about UTR's but more about how are they defined.
This should start the discussion of what is a UTR and how can this term be defined. Maybe it can't.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2949171]This is a interesting question. Many opinions and none really wrong or right but input from others could be helpful before being added to the Newbies Blog.
"True UTR" is completely under the radar. No names, phone numbers or e-mails are posted on any type of forum or website. Business is completely derived from word of mouth, through back channels on this or other boards. No reviews, no ads, no postings on any escort sites, etc. Nobody knows anything about the UTR without the UTR approving its release through her customer (s) first. This is in many peoples opinion is the definition of a "True UTR". Now is it possible that a "True UTR" can also be a provider that requests a monger to put up a post that he has a UTR that is looking for additional customers and to contact him for more details. It's just a more expedient way than sending out massive PM's. Since nobody really knows anything about her then isn't she still a "True UTR". I think it is because the key is no contact info is out on open forum (s) and backchannels have to be used to contact her. Some of these UTR's may have been on a SB site and met the monger there and is now willing to step out more into the mainstream limelight, but still remain mostly anonymous. I know several UTR's that are this way. Nobody knows their name and phone number unless the UTR provides it once they are comfortable with the initial contact through the posting monger. So please chime in to agree or disagree.
"Quasi-UTR" is a type of UTR that wants to avoid any type of advertising on any site, but is willing to have someone post about them with a minor review and / or minor description along with some way to contact the QUTR directly either by handle or e-mail address. NO phone number is posted. Still nobody knows much about the QUTR and it's up to the QUTR to respond to the contacts. The QUTR does not want reviews and limits who is going to post about them. Everything is controlled by the QUTR.
Provider is a UTR that starts posting ads, allows reviews on review sites, posts phone numbers, posts pictures, and then they are no longer a UTR. They have exposed themselves to the mainstream business and are now a true provider open to the public. Many UTR's go this route.
Etiquette with UTR's. A monger who sends a UTR's contact info out or exposes her on open forum without her approval is a "Bad" Monger. A monger who exposes a UTR, with her approval, is doing it the right way.
I think the key is a "True UTR" no matter how she is promoted cannot be contacted by any means other than through back channels. Nobody knows anything about her except that she is out there. Please chime in on thoughts.[/QUOTE]
Some food for thought.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2949466]Maybe some new terminology is needed. Keep UTR for the true UTR and come up with something different for QUTR and the rest.
Once someone posts about the UTR, except in the most generic terms; "usually my UTR takes care of me, but I decided to try. ", the risk of them becoming better known goes up, especially with the "seeking new customers" scenario. It's possible for a not yet trusted member to convince them to share the info and possible that person will then share with others, without permission. Two weeks later, the UTR is getting a call from a Pakistani who is coming to town on business and got the number from an unknown guy on a Pakistani escort site.
Giving out UTR info is a sacred trust. First the request needs to originate with the provider, either by a direct request or a not too subtle hint; "a few of my regulars moved away, so I have more free time. " Then there's the, "I know a guy. ", back and forth, finding out if the guy and the UTR are both open for an introduction.
I've received a few PMs from unknown users, giving unsolicited contact info for some UTR. To me, they are no longer UTR. I won't give the info, even if asked (and that has happened), but clearly not everyone feels the same way. Too many possible scenarios, but here's one:
Monger A says he knows a UTR looking for new customers. Out of 30 PMs, he gives the info to 5, the rest he brushes off. Monger C, who didn't get the info, sends PMs to everyone who he thinks might have the info, and Monger B, gives it up. Monger C contacts the UTR, who shoots him down because he's not on the list from Monger A. Monger C, who is a bit unstable, puts up a BP ad with the UTR phone number. UTR is now completely compromised. If she isn't using a hobby phone, her name and address are now in the hands of thousands. No happy ending.
It's a good topic for discussion, but I don't know if we'll find any answers.[/QUOTE]
A girl that a monger keeps all to himself and never give her info to other mongers. I currently have 2 of these, thinking about cutting one of them. It; s like being in a monogamous relationship with both of them, bot of them claim that they're not currently sexually active with anyone else. Both are hot and young, one is 20 from Westfield, the other 29 from the Anderson area. The 20 year old is a brunette Sasha, same personality and willingness to please, but the 29 year old is even more special.
[QUOTE=Bob0324;2949971]A girl that a monger keeps all to himself and never give her info to other mongers. I currently have 2 of these, thinking about cutting one of them. It; s like being in a monogamous relationship with both of them, bot of them claim that they're not currently sexually active with anyone else. Both are hot and young, one is 20 from Westfield, the other 29 from the Anderson area. The 20 year old is a brunette Sasha, same personality and willingness to please, but the 29 year old is even more special.[/QUOTE]So does this make them no longer a UTR because Bob has now posted about them with a brief description? Are they still UTR because nobody has any contact info and they are two out of thousands of ladies in Westfield and Anderson?
Is there a line that can be drawn to define a UTR? I guess that is my question and the purpose of this blog.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2950295]So does this make them no longer a UTR because Bob has now posted about them with a brief description? Are they still UTR because nobody has any contact info and they are two out of thousands of ladies in Westfield and Anderson?
Is there a line that can be drawn to define a UTR? I guess that is my question and the purpose of this blog.[/QUOTE]Their still very much UTR, and I believe I'm the only one at this point that can change that.
I've had great success in creating MY UTR's from [URL]care.com[/URL], lots of nice young girls needing money, I started my process when I interviewed my current UTR's for a legitimate nanny position, I told them they were too damn hot and I didn't think it a good idea that they be my nanny because I would have a hard time keeping my hands off them, they were flattered and I got the sense that they'd be willing to play for pay. I should add that I tried his on half a dozen applicants that I didn't get that good vibe.
The 20 year old called yesterday asking if I wanted her to come over last night, told her I didn't have any cash, she said she didn't care. I asked her why would a cute 20 year old want to hang out with an old pervert on a Friday night, she said she didn't have anything better to do and I think you're hot and the sex is the best ever. Perfect answer.
She got here about midnight, left about 9 am, she had to work at 11.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2950295]So does this make them no longer a UTR because Bob has now posted about them with a brief description? Are they still UTR because nobody has any contact info and they are two out of thousands of ladies in Westfield and Anderson?
Is there a line that can be drawn to define a UTR? I guess that is my question and the purpose of this blog.[/QUOTE]UTR:
To me they are still UTR till Bob puts them in contact with someone else or they start advertising with someone else. UTR to me is no advertisement or word of mouth at all. The girl makes the initial connection on their own by contacting a single individual.
LOWRIDER.
Once she tells Bob to put her contact with someone else she becomes a Lowrider. Bob tells a few trusted people he knows through word of mouth or PM's, but never an open advertisement to contact him or her.
PROVIDER.
Open advertisement then means she is a Provider who lets anyone and everyone have a means of contacting her and then she sets her screening method.
[QUOTE=Untchbl;2950397]UTR:
To me they are still UTR till Bob puts them in contact with someone else or they start advertising with someone else. UTR to me is no advertisement or word of mouth at all. The girl makes the initial connection on their own by contacting a single individual.
LOWRIDER.
Once she tells Bob to put her contact with someone else she becomes a Lowrider. Bob tells a few trusted people he knows through word of mouth or PM's, but never an open advertisement to contact him or her.
PROVIDER.
Open advertisement then means she is a Provider who lets anyone and everyone have a means of contacting her and then she sets her screening method.[/QUOTE]NWK providers, I have two of them. They don't advertise as escorts, but; I consider them escorts, I've mentioned one of them in the Craigslist forum, Danni, sexy cleaning lady, I ended up gettiing everything you'd expect from a full service provider from her. Truly a "YMMV" situation though, The other, also runs a naughty maid service on CL, took two visits from her (Lauren) to get all I wanted, once again I believe it's a YMMV situation, 3rd visit with her about to happen, I'm excited, she's very sweet and hot.
Now we are getting somewhere. So the lowrider (UTR) is just like a car that has been modified to give it low ground clearance. The lady is UTR until her info is given out in any manner even if done behind the scenes, via word of mouth, then she becomes a low ground clearance provider, ex UTR, or "Lowrider".
Question: What is a mistress? Isn't that a UTR that receives financial support to supply companionship of all types including sex? It's a one on one, nobody else is seeing her other than the supporter. So isn't a mistress a UTR? If a UTR is not known, and a client cannot hand out her info, and she sees multiple men then isn't that a multiple client mistress and she is really a UTR? Or is a UTR a mistress who receives financial support, from more than one individual? This is where I think it gets tricky.
[QUOTE=Bob0324;2950368]Their still very much UTR, and I believe I'm the only one at this point that can change that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Untchbl;2950397]UTR: To me they are still UTR till Bob puts them in contact with someone else or they start advertising with someone else. UTR to me is no advertisement or word of mouth at all. The girl makes the initial connection on their own by contacting a single individual.
LOWRIDER. Once she tells Bob to put her contact with someone else she becomes a Lowrider. Bob tells a few trusted people he knows through word of mouth or PM's, but never an open advertisement to contact him or her.
PROVIDER. Open advertisement then means she is a Provider who lets anyone and everyone have a means of contacting her and then she sets her screening method.[/QUOTE]Here is my opinion of the definition of a UTR. A lady who is an escort / provider who sees more than one man but she has never publicly advertised sex for money, nobody knows her contact info / name other than the men seeing her and she controls the addition of clients whether it be by her word of mouth or by the word of mouth of her other clients. Her word of mouth could be by meeting someone, not through advertising, and letting them know she provides sexual services for a fee and asks if they are interested. If she is using her clients to obtain new clients then she is specific about how they can contact other potential clients, such as a posting on this type of website. The client does not give out any info about the UTR only passes along information about the potential client to the UTR and she chooses whether or not to contact the potential new client.
Once a UTR advertises or the client advertises her contact info, handle, e-mail or phone number then they are no longer UTR, they are a Provider / Escort. The best example of this was Teresa or Megan. Glue Czar posted about a UTR on this site. He received PM's. He gave the hobbyists information he trusted to Teresa. She contacted them directly. Now I do believe Glue Czar did find her on a SB site, but she was not seeking hobbyists in general. Once she saw her first hobbyist she was still UTR but now involved in the hobby as we know it. Once she started advertising she was no longer UTR and became a open provider. I guess this is how I learned the perception of a what a UTR was. Not saying it was wrong or right.
Thoughts anyone?
A UTR could also be a gal that has offered legitimate services, I. E. House keeping, and is converted to a pay for play person. This type of situation can develop more quickly from a situation that legitimately involves touching. Massage therapist, hair dresser, physical therapist, or if there is alone time with them. Keeping her name under your hat, so to speak, even though she may advertise somehow, still makes her UTR in my book, as long as you don't share what goes on behind closed doors. I suppose it could be anyone who you come in contact with, from the receptionist at the gym to your newspaper lady, as long as there is a pay for play type agreement.
Heritage.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2950295]So does this make them no longer a UTR because Bob has now posted about them with a brief description? Are they still UTR because nobody has any contact info and they are two out of thousands of ladies in Westfield and Anderson?
Is there a line that can be drawn to define a UTR? I guess that is my question and the purpose of this blog.[/QUOTE]Still UTR. There's no way to track them down from the post and Bob stated he isn't sharing. That might be off the radar or SB. The difference being the lack of any path of contact.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2952880]Still UTR. There's no way to track them down from the post and Bob stated he isn't sharing. That might be off the radar or SB. The difference being the lack of any path of contact.[/QUOTE]Good point the different being lack of any path of contact.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2952615]Now we are getting somewhere. So the lowrider (UTR) is just like a car that has been modified to give it low ground clearance. The lady is UTR until her info is given out in any manner even if done behind the scenes, via word of mouth, then she becomes a low ground clearance provider, ex UTR, or "Lowrider".
Question: What is a mistress? Isn't that a UTR that receives financial support to supply companionship of all types including sex? It's a one on one, nobody else is seeing her other than the supporter. So isn't a mistress a UTR? If a UTR is not known, and a client cannot hand out her info, and she sees multiple men then isn't that a multiple client mistress and she is really a UTR? Or is a UTR a mistress who receives financial support, from more than one individual? This is where I think it gets tricky.
Here is my opinion of the definition of a UTR. A lady who is an escort / provider who sees more than one man but she has never publicly advertised sex for money, nobody knows her contact info / name other than the men seeing her and she controls the addition of clients whether it be by her word of mouth or by the word of mouth of her other clients. Her word of mouth could be by meeting someone, not through advertising, and letting them know she provides sexual services for a fee and asks if they are interested. If she is using her clients to obtain new clients then she is specific about how they can contact other potential clients, such as a posting on this type of website. The client does not give out any info about the UTR only passes along information about the potential client to the UTR and she chooses whether or not to contact the potential new client.
Once a UTR advertises or the client advertises her contact info, handle, e-mail or phone number then they are no longer UTR, they are a Provider / Escort. The best example of this was Teresa or Megan. Glue Czar posted about a UTR on this site. He received PM's. He gave the hobbyists information he trusted to Teresa. She contacted them directly. Now I do believe Glue Czar did find her on a SB site, but she was not seeking hobbyists in general. Once she saw her first hobbyist she was still UTR but now involved in the hobby as we know it. Once she started advertising she was no longer UTR and became a open provider. I guess this is how I learned the perception of a what a UTR was. Not saying it was wrong or right.
Thoughts anyone?[/QUOTE]I believe a girl who is only known and available to one person is something deeper than UTR. Depending on the situation she may be a mistress, a SB or a FWPB (friend with paid benefits). For the purpose of everyone else, she doesn't exist.
My opinion, the UTR has to be shared to qualify. It may only be between 2 trusted friends, but the possibility of other paying customers should exist. Now if Bob sends you a PM and says his 20 year old needs a 1 time per week customer and offers to introduce you to see if there's a mutual attraction, she's UTR. No other access route exists, but she's become a legitimate provider.
However, if Bob posted a public offering to share her number, at best she's a lowrider.
Does that make sense?
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2952923]I believe a girl who is only known and available to one person is something deeper than UTR. Depending on the situation she may be a mistress, a SB or a FWPB (friend with paid benefits). For the purpose of everyone else, she doesn't exist.
My opinion, the UTR has to be shared to qualify. It may only be between 2 trusted friends, but the possibility of other paying customers should exist. Now if Bob sends you a PM and says his 20 year old needs a 1 time per week customer and offers to introduce you to see if there's a mutual attraction, she's UTR. No other access route exists, but she's become a legitimate provider.
However, if Bob posted a public offering to share her number, at best she's a lowrider.
Does that make sense?[/QUOTE]I agree that a UTR has to be shared. So how can you share a UTR and not make her a legitimate provider / escort or prostitute (as A2 defines one). So in Bob's example of a contact by PM only with no other access route available she is still a UTR? Or is she now a UTR provider or a UTR that has become a legitimate provider?
I'm not quoting very good post by FF and others, I have changed my mind, I don't have any UTR providers, I have a few mistresses.
[QUOTE=Fancy88;2952890]Good point the different being lack of any path of contact.[/QUOTE]About that now defuNct otheR review site. I was mistaken. "Escorts got to eat!
[QUOTE=Bob0324;2953083]I'm not quoting very good post by FF and others, I have changed my mind, I don't have any UTR providers, I have a few mistresses.[/QUOTE]May I have sex with your mistresses or any you are going to turn out or not?
[QUOTE=Ilapp;2954379]May I have sex with your mistresses or any you are going to turn out or not?[/QUOTE]If my Anderson mistress warms up more, I'd probably turn loose the 20 year old mistress from Westfield, she's not that much fun anymore because she's so willing to do anything I want whenever I want it.
[QUOTE=Bob0324;2954881]If my Anderson mistress warms up more, I'd probably turn loose the 20 year old mistress from Westfield, she's not that much fun anymore because she's so willing to do anything I want whenever I want it.[/QUOTE]And the downside is? That's when my interest is the highest. It's when "okay" turns into "maybe later" or "I don't want to do that", that my little monger starts looking for new playgrounds.
[QUOTE=Ilapp;2954379]May I have sex with your mistresses or any you are going to turn out or not?[/QUOTE]You already have enough mistresses, why do you need another one? Hell you're the one that should start sharing!
Speaking of sharing. Bob I want first dibs on the 20 year old since her skin has been kissed by angels.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2955153]You already have enough mistresses, why do you need another one? Hell you're the one that should start sharing!
Speaking of sharing. Bob I want first dibs on the 20 year old since her skin has been kissed by angels.[/QUOTE]That she does have freckles, I usually only pay attention to other features and it was after I had my fun with her, took her to Applebees and I noticed many freckles on her cute face, I'll have to look for freckles on the rest of her next time we have fun.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2955153]You already have enough mistresses, why do you need another one? Hell you're the one that should start sharing!
Speaking of sharing. Bob I want first dibs on the 20 year old since her skin has been kissed by angels.[/QUOTE]The decision I have to share is not mine to make.
[QUOTE=Jjbee62;2954972]And the downside is? That's when my interest is the highest. It's when "okay" turns into "maybe later" or "I don't want to do that", that my little monger starts looking for new playgrounds.[/QUOTE]Like me, seem to desire what they think they can't have.
[QUOTE=Bob0324;2954881]If my Anderson mistress warms up more, I'd probably turn loose the 20 year old mistress from Westfield, she's not that much fun anymore because she's so willing to do anything I want whenever I want it.[/QUOTE]Sounds fucking awful. PM me her number and I do you a solid and take care of her from here on out (or until I get tired of her doing all that I desire, or turns 23).
Just curious, what's your guys experience on setting up UTR? Where do you usually find, approach them? Or what's that process like?
Damn, All you guys want to do is post about the UTR's you have and we haven't even defined them yet! By the way Bob, you have everyone drooling but they have to realize it's your mistress not theirs!
Now back to the subject.
Mistress: A lady who sees only one guy, maybe more than one but that is up to her. Her info is not shared with anyone, ever. A LTR sugar baby could be a mistress if she is not actively searching for other sugar daddies.
UTR: A lady who only one hobbyist knows. She could be a SB, FWPB, mistress or just some lady needing help that wants some more clients. She does not advertise, she is unknown from escort sites and review boards and SHE chooses her new clients. The key is how does she know about new clients. Here is the scenario.
A hobbyist puts up a post or contacts mongers via PM that he has a UTR looking for new clients. He tells the other hobbyists to send him a PM if they are interested and to include their e-mail address. He gives this information to the UTR. She decides on the ones she wants to contact. She then either gets a handle on the board and contacts the hobbyists through PM's or she e-mails the hobbyists. At this point nobody but the original hobbyist knows who she is or her phone number. She makes the initial contact with the new hobbyists interested in seeing her. It's up to her at this point to determine through various communications when and if to give out her phone number. She is still UTR because the general mongers don't know anything about her.
Now one case that I am aware of a monger posted about a UTR and said to PM him if they are interested. Guys sent PM's and if he felt they were safe then he sent them the UTR's phone number with a password when they contacted the UTR so she knew they came from him.
In both of the above cases the UTR makes the decision to see a new monger. In both cases the UTR's e-mails, handle, phone number and passwords can be passed around behind channels but nobody really knows anything about the UTR until she contacts them and decides to schedule an appointment. So is this a UTR or not? I think it is because the UTR's information is not on open forum, review sites or escort sites. Once that happens then they are a provider and not UTR. The key thing is a UTR has to remain anonymous from the general hobbyist's. Once she posts a handle, e-mail, phone number or places an ad then she is no longer a UTR.
Comments questions?
[QUOTE=Cadillac31;2955949]Just curious, what's your guys experience on setting up UTR? Where do you usually find, approach them? Or what's that process like?[/QUOTE]Heritage has many ways a UTR can be generated as described below. Bob uses the [URL]care.com[/URL] site. Over the years I have taken several strippers that went from playing OTC with me to a UTR that I ended up sharing with others.
[QUOTE=Heritage;2952762]A UTR could also be a gal that has offered legitimate services, I. E. House keeping, and is converted to a pay for play person. This type of situation can develop more quickly from a situation that legitimately involves touching. Massage therapist, hair dresser, physical therapist, or if there is alone time with them. Keeping her name under your hat, so to speak, even though she may advertise somehow, still makes her UTR in my book, as long as you don't share what goes on behind closed doors. I suppose it could be anyone who you come in contact with, from the receptionist at the gym to your newspaper lady, as long as there is a pay for play type agreement.
Heritage.[/QUOTE]Does this help cadillac31?
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2955957]Damn, All you guys want to do is post about the UTR's you have and we haven't even defined them yet! By the way Bob, you have everyone drooling but they have to realize it's your mistress not theirs!
Now back to the subject.
Mistress: A lady who sees only one guy, maybe more than one but that is up to her. Her info is not shared with anyone, ever. A LTR sugar baby could be a mistress if she is not actively searching for other sugar daddies.
UTR: A lady who only one hobbyist knows. She could be a SB, FWPB, mistress or just some lady needing help that wants some more clients. She does not advertise, she is unknown from escort sites and review boards and SHE chooses her new clients. The key is how does she know about new clients. Here is the scenario.
A hobbyist puts up a post or contacts mongers via PM that he has a UTR looking for new clients. He tells the other hobbyists to send him a PM if they are interested and to include their e-mail address. He gives this information to the UTR. She decides on the ones she wants to contact. She then either gets a handle on the board and contacts the hobbyists through PM's or she e-mails the hobbyists. At this point nobody but the original hobbyist knows who she is or her phone number. She makes the initial contact with the new hobbyists interested in seeing her. It's up to her at this point to determine through various communications when and if to give out her phone number. She is still UTR because the general mongers don't know anything about her.
Now one case that I am aware of a monger posted about a UTR and said to PM him if they are interested. Guys sent PM's and if he felt they were safe then he sent them the UTR's phone number with a password when they contacted the UTR so she knew they came from him.
In both of the above cases the UTR makes the decision to see a new monger. In both cases the UTR's e-mails, handle, phone number and passwords can be passed around behind channels but nobody really knows anything about the UTR until she contacts them and decides to schedule an appointment. So is this a UTR or not? I think it is because the UTR's information is not on open forum, review sites or escort sites. Once that happens then they are a provider and not UTR. The key thing is a UTR has to remain anonymous from the general hobbyist's. Once she posts a handle, e-mail, phone number or places an ad then she is no longer a UTR.
Comments questions?[/QUOTE]To me, UTR is more a potentially shifting status than a categorization, and mostly has to do with how she gets business. Word of mouth and regulars built up versus open advertising. Could be one customer or could be several.
[QUOTE=Mwdude;2956612]To me, UTR is more a potentially shifting status than a categorization, and mostly has to do with how she gets business. Word of mouth and regulars built up versus open advertising. Could be one customer or could be several.[/QUOTE]I agree. To me it does not have such a rigid definition. Or perhaps takes the form of an adjective as well as a noun.
Certainly there is nothing UTR to a provider like Charlie on the east side or everyone's new darling Sabrina (Justin Beiber tattoo). Always on BP.
But wouldn't someone like AV be a UTR-ish because she doesn't advertise that much and probably depends more on regulars, hides profiles even when still active.
But then to me another level of UTR is the true provider that works under advertising but anonomously. Thus not creating a known or recognizable presence. Perhaps this week she is called Lisa on Craigslist. Then next week she is Susan with different number and pictures. You never hear of Lisa again. The. Hits the SB sites. She advertises but is essentially under the radar because you cannot track her.
But the full UTR is one that has no advertising other than word of mouth.
Anything less on the networking to me is not a provider but a mistress or a SB.
[QUOTE=Mwdude;2956612]To me, UTR is more a potentially shifting status than a categorization, and mostly has to do with how she gets business. Word of mouth and regulars built up versus open advertising. Could be one customer or could be several.[/QUOTE]Definitions:
Mistress: A lady who normally only sees one guy, paid for her services but not like a standard provider at the time of the service. She is like a kept woman and there is more to the relationship than hobbyist and provider. Allowance is a normal payment that could include rent, auto etc. She is not in the hobby, just a mistress.
UTR: She is a provider that is in the hobby, but her info is not advertised so she is Under the Radar. She obtains clients by word of mouth. She may have more than one client, she could have many clients. Nobody has any contact info or knows much about her other than the hobbyists that have seen her or received her info from another hobbyists. No contact info, pics, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, etc. Are on any board. She can have a name that is used and discussed for clarification or who it is, but nothing else. Reviews are acceptable as long as no contact info or pics are included in the review.
[RED]Answers to the questions?[/RED]
[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;2956876]I agree. To me it does not have such a rigid definition. Or perhaps takes the form of an adjective as well as a noun.
Certainly there is nothing UTR to a provider like Charlie on the east side or everyone's new darling Sabrina (Justin Beiber tattoo). Always on BP. [red]Correct they advertise so they are not UTR[/red]
But wouldn't someone like AV be a UTR-ish because she doesn't advertise that much and probably depends more on regulars, hides profiles even when still active. [red]No because once her contact info became public and she advertised on certain boards and was reviewed with contact info on review boards.[/red]
But then to me another level of UTR is the true provider that works under advertising but anonomously. Thus not creating a known or recognizable presence. Perhaps this week she is called Lisa on Craigslist. Then next week she is Susan with different number and pictures. You never hear of Lisa again. Hits the SB sites. She advertises but is essentially under the radar because you cannot track her. [red]If they advertise without contact info and only use the, example craigslist return e-mail then they can be a UTR. If they advertise with contact info then they are not UTR. If they use SB sites then they are Sugar Babies.[/red]
But the full UTR is one that has no advertising other than word of mouth. [red]True, thus no contact info except through word of mouth.[/red]
Anything less on the networking to me is not a provider but a mistress or a SB. [red]A SB could be a mistress or a mistress could have started out being a SB. SB's could be a UTR but it's harder now because of the internet and the hobbyists ability to discuss them. Once contact info hits the internet then they are no longer UTR. Now is she UTR if she has a pic that is on the internet with no contact info, unless she is easily identifiable by a group of hobbyists? If you don't know how to reach her other than by word of mouth then Yes she is UTR.[/red][/QUOTE]
Because she is on SA as Maddie20. I met this young lady through another venue / social site. Through conversation she mentioned school tuition / debt, work, never enough money. She said she saw ad for SA and says to me" I like sex so why not do it and try to get tuition help along the way?" Then she fingered quoted "prostitution" and asked if it offended me. I just smiled. I said I was familiar with the concept and also that (SA) site. I asked her profile name (Maddie20) and if she had any luck? "Not really. A BJ and a guy in Wisconsin who would pay her $6 k a month for her to poop on skype" She declined. I asked for his #. I informed her that I belonged to a secret social circle of men who met and reviewed girls from SA and craigslist and BP. She asked what BP was. How cute. So I got online and showed her Backpage. She had no idea that existed. Asked if she should do that. I emphatically said no. "LEO monitors that site, girls get busted frequently. " That is the benefit of the circle I belong to. Girls get legit clients / guys gets safe, reviewed girls. All parties keep safe. I informed her I could put her info out to my circle and see if that helps her situation. She said yes please. So here goes. She is very pretty, cute as hell smile, and oh BTW 38 k tits. And they are spectacular. Great full tits too. When she lays down they don't disappear, but frame her cute young face. Quite a site as you kneel between her open legs and look down on her. Very responsive to the daty, creamy and tight. Glad I wear a condom because that extra barrier it saved me from popping to soon. Breasts feel amazing wrapped around little lingus, before she performs oral splendidly. Enjoys sex for sure.
Ok now for nuts and bolts. Explained to her the concept of FS / GFE. Told her she should expect $. 5 to $$ for her offerings but she is not a hooker but a SB so that's for more than an hour of time. She agrees. Now the inconvenience. She lives at home, works, and school. Her time is very limited and will take some patience on your part. I almost ran out of mine, glad I didn't. She is a small bbw / thick girl. I didn't find that it took away from her attractiveness at all. Every thing comes with a YMMV. Senior circle members can PM for e-mail contact. I am not her white knight, her pimp, her bf, or her handler. I only vouch she is real, safe, needs tuition help and loves sex.
Just another pic of this sweet girl. She did get a little freaked out when she gave her # out to one of you and you immediately got onto her facebook page. Told her not to worry. Also it works to her advantage because guys will just see a pretty college age girl doing normal stuff, not a thug-life, look at all these fat stacks and gangbangers (not the good kind) I hook up wit. With names like gotstogetsmines or biatchesbehatin.
19 year old Blonde UTR available.
Super new, sweet, adorable, hot, great personality, attitude and skills, like she's too good to be true, but she is true, trusted members can pm me an email address for pics and more details.
I like the fact that utr keeps safety first in mind and want to be low key. And aim at a long term no string attached positioning, which hits the sweet spot for such a market.
Any other pros and cons though.
Credit to Bob as he lined up with her and bring us in the loop.
I got a chance to dream of Nicole. She is really a nice girl while very straight forward. I kind of like this style as let you feel she is very real and down to earth farm girl.
She can talk too. Man. During the ride and before and after the dream. LOL. Pretty smart and she has a plan to reestablish her life and feed her family.
If you are interested in her story, I can share later. Typical unfortunate story of bad bfs and now is taken advantage by some other girl posting her on Bp.. Anyway.
Oki, she is 30yr old but her body is really in good shape and she has a very pretty face. I can not believe she had a few kids and you really can not tell. Very skinny and pretty tall too. Love her hair and skin. She has nice nipples...
Great bbbf and her menu is pretty open as well. Good GFE.
She is new to this so I coached her to be cautious to ask not so direct questions and stay safe. On the phone she was asking me all the questions so directly I thought she is the LEO fishing or doing research project. Good god she is real and safe and good rate.
She said she is pretty picky to see folks. She met some who are nasty and bad hygiene with long nails or smelly. Guys, please behave urself. She would rather stay with a few safe and good customers.
And she liked me as I am likeable and so clean and looks so young. LOL. I will stop here.
Last but not least, she needs be picked up and drop off so do keep this mind if you need manage your time.
I would love to share her contact info but she likely will get a new number soon due to above mentioned escort BP posting.
TJ
If the posts in this section are not directly related either "What is a UTR" or "Announcing a new UTR" and is just general conversation then I will delete them from the blog. Once a UTR is announced then she is a UTR Provider / Escort and belongs in the Escorts Reports thread. Not trying to be mean, I just want to keep the blog on track without a bunch of chit chat.
[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;3045048]If the posts in this section are not directly related either "What is a UTR" or "Announcing a new UTR" and is just general conversation then I will delete them from the blog. Once a UTR is announced then she is a UTR Provider / Escort and belongs in the Escorts Reports thread. Not trying to be mean, I just want to keep the blog on track without a bunch of chit chat.[/QUOTE]I will follow this rule next time.
[QUOTE=TonyJohnson;3045611]I will follow this rule next time.[/QUOTE]That is why I didn't delete them.
Great thread FF. I'd like to see more discussion of how UTRs relationships first develop if its not off topic. Do they start as SD / SBs? Develop from real world encounters?