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Let's get something started in here. Does anyone know of any websites featuring local providers...other than the well known such as Eros, ******** and TER?
R O,
That site still works. When they updated or something you had to reset your password but no problems logging in after that. Maybe try checking with the Admin if still a problem.
[QUOTE=Geeko]R O,
That site still works. When they updated or something you had to reset your password but no problems logging in after that. Maybe try checking with the Admin if still a problem.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's one. I can get to it and view some of their stuff, but the forums are locked down saying you have to pay? But I can't find any link to let me pay even if I wanted to (which I don't).
Wait a minute, I found the pay section, it's in the forum control panel. Hmm...will have to think about paying now.
Hello All,
I normally monger out of Virginia, but I have traveled this year. My trip to HI got cut short so I did not get out as much as I had planned, but I had two good experiences.
The first was in Wahiawa. Yes it is true. I tried the porn shop and Maria’s strip bar several times with no luck. Finally, on Friday afternoon / early evening I went into Bunny’s Exotic Dancing. It was early so it was empty. There was the usual pain-in-the-ass bar girl begging for a drink and one very hot Japanese dancer. I sat down with this 35ish lady and negotiated a very private dance for $1 that would complete me. We went over to a dark corner of the room where she danced, blew, and stroked me to completion. She had a great fake rack and good skills. Yes, it felt odd right there in a dark bar. (This is HI, not P.I.)
As far as I can tell this is the only report in Wahiawa, but there has got to be more action around the run-down looking apartments coming into town.
Yesterday, I went to the highly recommended Ohana. It was easy to find-thanks for all the help! I walked up and asked for Ruby like I knew her well. I quoted a few things I had learned about her from the board and she went right along with it. She was excellent just like you guys said.
I spent 1.5 hours with her enjoying a great massage, about 30 minutes of Spanish/Russian lessons and finally a great HR.
We never talked about money. While I was alone in the room getting undressed I just placed five Jackson’s on the stereo and stowed the rest in my pants. I placed my noisy car keys on top of the money and she never touched them until she said good bye. This happened between 6:30 and 8:00pm.
Thanks to all who PM’d or posted.
MHF
This is just a suggestion. When someone is replying to a post, it would help readers if the poster would include the quote to which he is replying. I sometimes get confused when I read an item, not knowing who or what the poster is referring too. The confusion sets in when there are one or more posts between the new post and the one being referred to.
Checked out Wahiawa massage today. $40 for 1 hr. massage, no "extra service" offerred, & not really desired from the middle-aged Korean masseuse Sunny. At first sight, the exterior, entrance area with middle aged Korean lady to greet me, and the $40 rate, led me to think the place may offer extra service. So I went in got a decent massage, but no happy ending. Aloha
I will be taking a much needed vacation to Hawaii (Oahu) next month, and will be staying at Turtle Bay way the hell up there on the island. Are there any poontang to be had up in North Shore, or will I have to travel an hour to Honolulu to have any kind of luck? I will be flying to Kauai also.
I didn't find any info on the subject, so I apologize in advance if this has already been answered. Any tips and suggestions are GREATLY appreciated!
[QUOTE=Domino Harvey]I will be taking a much needed vacation to Hawaii (Oahu) next month, and will be staying at Turtle Bay way the hell up there on the island. Are there any poontang to be had up in North Shore, or will I have to travel an hour to Honolulu to have any kind of luck? I will be flying to Kauai also.
I didn't find any info on the subject, so I apologize in advance if this has already been answered. Any tips and suggestions are GREATLY appreciated![/QUOTE]
I am sure that there is some action almost anywhere on the island, but it may be very hard to find in many places. The quality and quantity of women available will probably make it worth the drive to Honolulu. You can read the SW thread which is labeled as DT (for Downtown) in the Honolulu section. From what I can gather, LE has been patrolling the streets quite a bit, but not as bad as the situation appears to be in Vegas. Read the thread so that you avoid the areas with transsexuals. The area on Kukui St. behind Long's Drugstore usually has SWs. Just use the standard precautionary procedures.
There are also many SW in Waikiki, but the prices are high and you may have to provide a room nearby (although many offer incall). I would recommend trying one of the AMPs in Honolulu. Many of them provide Full Service. Entrance prices for the AMPs are usually around 0.5 and a tip of 1.2 to 1.5 is typical. Expect to pay about $$ in total. You can find information about some of these AMPs at the back of the free Pennysaver that is available on many streetcorners. You may also be able to find it at many Safeway Supermarkets. Some AMPs have ten dollar off coupons in the Pennysaver. The majority of the providers are Korean.
Look over all the active threads in the Honolulu section. Good luck.
Get your fill on Oahu Domino, you wont find anything on Kauai.
[QUOTE=Domino Harvey]I will be taking a much needed vacation to Hawaii (Oahu) next month, and will be staying at Turtle Bay way the hell up there on the island. Are there any poontang to be had up in North Shore, or will I have to travel an hour to Honolulu to have any kind of luck?[/QUOTE]Wahiawa. Just because there is little mention of it doesn't mean that there isn't anything going on there (I neva could figa out why there is no thread on this site for Wahiawa?). As long as there are horny soldiers at Schofield there will be ho's available in Wahiawa!
I've never visited any of the AMPs or clubs there, but I've had good luck with the SW's. They may not be as hot n sexy in their looks as the DT or Waiks girls, but what they lack in looks they make up for in affordability. A great BJ can be had for 30-40 bucks!
Olive and Walker (behind the McD's) is the best place to look first. Then try California and Mango (by the Bankoh branch). Another place is Rosa's bar on Olive. A lot of the ho's will cycle in and out of there off of Olive so they are not obviously loitering outside on the street corner.
Speaking of Rosa's, I met one of the best providers that I ever hooked up with there. An older (late 40's) hapa haole lady with a really nice body for her age. She has awesome boobs - C/D cups with big pencil eraser nipples that will poke your eye out if you are not careful!! We always go back to her place and I go for the half CBJ, half tit-fuck with pearl necklace. Guess how much I pay? That's right, 40 bucks! I've seen her 10-12 times already and at that price I keep coming back for more!!
Since I work by the airport, if I'm working the night shift, I'll cruise by DT to see what's there. Most of the time I'm just window shopping, but I have on occassion picked up some SW's there and then regretting it later for paying way more for the same service I could get in Wahiawa. Hell, Mr Happy no can tell the difference if she is smoking hot or just plain average - his eye is blind! All he cares about is how it feels and to him it feels just as good in Wahiawa as it does DT. I might be makina a mistake by letting the Wahiawa pussy out of the bag, but I got my hapa haole lady friend taking care of me so I think that I can share the rest of what Wahiawa has to offer with you all!
I am staying out near the bases and I gave the locals a shot at my hard earned cash, but I struck out. I cruised around for hours on Friday night. I talked to an old heavy lady on the corner by Bunny's and also a FUGLY TS with nasty blonde hair. Hell, everything it had looked nasty.
I cruised the neighborhoods, plus all the spots mentioned here with no real results. I popped into Rosa's bar for an hour. Actually, not a bad place to relax and listen to music. After that I visited the legit massage place by Olive's restaraunt. Yes, it seems legit to me. Later I hit the porn shop, but decided to call it quits before I went into the "buy-me-drink" bar Rose Marie. I just don't have the patience for all that stuff anymore. In TJ or Thailand it's cool cause you know it will end good.
Anyway, I will keep cruising for the next week or so. Maybe I will find the $40 gem that was mentioned earlier.
MHF
This is just a general comment on posting replies. It would help a lot if your reply includes the post that you're responding to. Oftentimes there's one or more posts between yours and the original one, so the reader has to figure out what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Tadhook]
This is just a general comment on posting replies. It would help a lot if your reply includes the post that you're responding to. Oftentimes there's one or more posts between yours and the original one, so the reader has to figure out what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
That's a good suggestion. If members quote the specific language to which they are responding, messages will be more clear and quickly understandable.
I heard through the grapevine that Tomomi a Japanese lady is doing massage in the Kuhio Prince. I wanted to know if anyone knows if she gives a happy ending. I heard in waikiki over her roomates conversation that she always wear's short skirts or hotpants when she give's the massage. It peaked my interest. Have you guys heard anything? I like Japanese and only Japanese.
Sorry for the delay getting this report out.
After the long flights from the East Coast mainland, I drove up to Wahiawa where I would be working for 2 weeks. I cruised through the little park on the KAM highway where I had heard there might be some action. On my first lap around I met Monica. A short Asian with a large enhanced rack and long brown hair. Monica got into my car and we started the usual banter. Because I was exhausted from the 12 hour trip, I just wanted her phone number. She gave it to me and started to go on her way. Then she came back and informed me that she was not ALL woman below the equator. Monica had me fooled. We both laughed it off. She insisted that she still wanted to do business. I thanked Monica for the offer, but assured her that the offer was off the table. Is Monica that convincing or was I that tired?
After reading the forum and getting a few good nights sleep, I called up Pine Tree and set up an appointment with Mimi. She was EVERYTHING she was last year. I got the great table shower, light touch massage, and a multiple position session before taking off the cover and finishing on her. (.5 and .120
On the way out of Pine Tree, I met a beauty named Shirley. She had long hair and large natural-looking breasts. She seemed friendly enough and Mimi encouraged me to try her next time. Any of you guys been with Shirley of Pine Tree?
I cruised Wahiawa every day and every night for a week without picking up anything. Finally I decided to drive downtown on my last Saturday evening in HI. I was a bit turned around on King Street when I saw Gina walking the same direction I was driving. I thought she gave me “the look” so I made the next right turn and waited for her. She came walking by, but then appeared to not be interested or aware of what I was doing. So, I just offered her a ride. She said she only was going a few blocks up the road, but got in anyway. She asked me what I was up to. I said I was looking for Longs Drugs and that I was a bit lost. Then I told her I really wanted to get to the back-street behind Longs so I could meet a friendly woman for a date. She seemed very interested in my situation and finally said she wasn’t a pro but could really use the money. After doing the "I am not a cop, touch me here routine", we parked and negotiated the .4 BBBJ no CIM. I could have gone for FS but I was staying all the way at Schofield and she didn’t want to go to her place. Anyway, her performance was great. Afterwards, I took her to a small apartment above the adult porn center on Keaumoku Street directly next to Pine Tree. She wouldn’t give me a number, but she said she is always near that area and would see me again.
So, overall a good trip. I will be back again in the Wahiawa area and would like to find a provider in that area. If anyone has one please PM me. Thanks for keeping good information on the boards.
MHF
What does something like mai ja, or mah jan mean? Thanks, and I hope this doesn't piss anyone off by my asking this here.
[QUOTE=Nuts M]What does something like mai ja, or mah jan mean? Thanks, and I hope this doesn't piss anyone off by my asking this here.[/QUOTE]
Maja = That's right.
Mahalo Poi Dog.
For the first time in many years I find myself being single again. AMP and bar scene is still the same as it was years ago - I'm not knocking it, just that at this stage in my life I'm not into being the target of mercenaries or money predators. Could someone suggest a good location to meet women, preferably Japanese or other Asian, as I have spent most of my life in Asia and am more comfortable with them than those from the mainland. Upper 30's to mid 40's is alright, because that is closer to my age.
I'm not looking to start a long thread or flame war. Just asking for information. You can e-mail me, if that will keep the comments down.
Thanks,
Ottiss
there is a Riley or Riley X on some of the escort pages, but I am not paying for contact information - anyone have the data?
Nothing nicer than to walk into a large AMP on a weekend night and see a dozen hotties in the lounge knowing that you can do anyone of them. You would like to just hang out and chat, but immediately someone leads you to a room. Later, a girl in her late twenties shows up. The lights go down, she drops her skimpy cloths, and begins the massage. Her hands glide up and down your back in a sensual way. After a while you realize that her fingers have been replaced by her lips and breasts, you feel her hair and tongue arousing you. She asks you to flip over and proceeds to the task you came for. The condom goes on almost unnoticed the first time she puts your **** in her mouth. She will work you until completion, no matter what it takes. You are uninhibited. You've a nice chat afterwards and leave with a big smile. The happiness lasts for days to come.
This is about the best experience you can have in a Honolulu AMP. Most of the time is not as good. I am not even sure if all of the above ever happened in a single session. It can be as bad as the following: The only choice is an over forty year old woman who barely speaks English. She smells like cigarettes, gives no massage, and does not allow you to touch her. It's so unpleasant you almost have to make yourself come. Afterwards you realize it might have been a man. A disgusting experience you wish you would not have had.
Here are a few recommendations to improve the quality of your experience:
* Once you find a good provider, stick to her. Your chances of having a memorable experience with someone you had good service from before are much higher than with a new provider. After having done a girl two or three times, a man would like to try something new. Yet, as awkward as it sounds: Try to be faithful. Girls have days (or months) off, but you can call ahead to make sure she's there.
* Do yourself a while before you go. You can last longer and get more out of the experience.
* The brain does not work well when the blood is elsewhere. Many bad situations can be anticipated, but you have to make decisions on the spot.
* If you're nice to her, she might give you her phone number the second time you visit. Many of these ******, they are bitches. She might do it only to keep you as regular costumer, but she could also be looking for a b-friend. Many of them dream of true love. If she doesn't want to meet up with you outside the AMP, it's strictly business. It's difficult for them to find a serious b-friend, because they can barely walk around without being recognized. "Costumers everywhere" they say.
* It's unlikely but busts happen. I hear that they don't arrest clients, but might collect their id.
* AMP girls are professional and they know how to avoid disease. People have reported broken condoms or picked up diseases, but it's statistics. AMPs are healthier than street girls.
* Most AMPs are open 24 hours, but some times are worse than others.
- After 4am girls go to sleep. They can wake one who sleeps there, but it limits your choice.
- Many girls show up for work at 7.
- Don't go around Chinese New Year, which is also Korean New Year, because many providers are away.
- When a busload of Japanese tourists arrived, you might even get turned away.
There is not a whole lot of variety. All the AMPs work about the same and have the same house fee, currently $50. Most providers are Korean from late twenties to late thirties. Depending on the place/girl you might get a massage or not, and prices and quality vary a bit. Honolulu offers the best action compared to the rest of the island and the other islands.
(Corrections and suggestions are welcome.)
I am in town for a few days business, haven't been here for over 7 years so know knowledge of who to see and places that aren't worth my time is very rusty. Looking for a AMP with better than average shower, with a woman who at least puts forth and effort, since everyones opinions of perfection will differ greatly. Also it should be within short walking distance of the Hilton since my compnay didn't up for a rental car. So I will either have to get a cap or walk. I do know a few are located behind the mall town side of Piikoi St. Place this white boy doesn't want to get into to much trouble.
So any opinion please let me know.
v/r
Midwestsugar
[QUOTE=Midwestsugar]
I am in town for a few days business, haven't been here for over 7 years so know knowledge of who to see and places that aren't worth my time is very rusty. Looking for a AMP with better than average shower, with a woman who at least puts forth and effort, since everyones opinions of perfection will differ greatly. Also it should be within short walking distance of the Hilton since my compnay didn't up for a rental car. So I will either have to get a cap or walk. [/QUOTE]
Might want to try Erica at Tokyo Relaxation, 1750 Kalakaua Avenue, Century Center #109. Tokyo Relaxation is within walking distance of the Hilton, and Erica has always provided me with very good service (GFE). You can perform a search on her name in the Honolulu forum to read the various reports about her.
Personally, I treat streetwalkers politely and respectfully, but as [u]satire[/u] this comical video is funny:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eSflbxXeoo&NR=1[/url]
This recent article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin states that the visa requirement will soon be waived for visitors from South Korea:
[url]http://www.starbulletin.com/business/businessnews/20081017_Isle_officials_pleased_with_plans_to_ease_travel_rules.html[/url]
The Star-Bulletin reports that according to State Tourism Liaison Marsha Wienert: "When the requirement to obtain a visa is lifted for South Korean visitors to Hawaii, visitor counts from that country to the islands are expected to double the first year and again the second year." The news report quotes Wienert as saying there was an "arduous visa process" for Koreans and that the "lines for visas used to wind around the block."
Of course, most of the new visitors from Korea will be "legitimate." However, is there a possibility that making it easier for Korean women to come to Honolulu could also benefit hobbyists in Honolulu? Hopefully, some of the new female Korean "visitors" to Honolulu will be ... ahem ... "visiting" massage parlors, relaxation businesses, and hostess bars. :)
[QUOTE=Kapalua]
Might want to try Erica at Tokyo Relaxation, 1750 Kalakaua Avenue, Century Center #109. Tokyo Relaxation is within walking distance of the Hilton, and Erica has always provided me with very good service (GFE). You can perform a search on her name in the Honolulu forum to read the various reports about her. [/QUOTE]
Update -- unfortunately, Erica no longer works at Tokyo Relaxation (which is now called Angel Relaxation), or at any other Honolulu relaxation/massage business of which I'm aware.
Anybody ever been with Neely or Mina from CL.
Anyone know of names of AMPs in Dubai or where I get get information?
I need some phone numbers too if available.
Korean AMP's would be the best.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Simtiki]
Anyone know of names of AMPs in Dubai or where I get get information? [/QUOTE]
The International Sex Guide website ([url]www.internationalsexguide.info[/url]) contains a United Arab Emirates forum that provides a substantial amount of hobbyist information about Dubai. Even if you don't find the specific information that you want already posted there, you could ask the hobbyists who post on that forum and are familiar with Dubai.
[QUOTE=Kapalua]The International Sex Guide website ([url]www.internationalsexguide.info[/url]) contains a United Arab Emirates forum that provides a substantial amount of hobbyist information about Dubai. Even if you don't find the specific information that you want already posted there, you could ask the hobbyists who post on that forum and are familiar with Dubai.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot bro. Should have known to go to you first.
Nice Post.
[QUOTE=Snow9]Nothing nicer than to walk into a large AMP on a weekend night and see a dozen hotties in the lounge knowing that you can do anyone of them. You would like to just hang out and chat, but immediately someone leads you to a room. Later, a girl in her late twenties shows up. The lights go down, she drops her skimpy cloths, and begins the massage. Her hands glide up and down your back in a sensual way. After a while you realize that her fingers have been replaced by her lips and breasts, you feel her hair and tongue arousing you. She asks you to flip over and proceeds to the task you came for. The condom goes on almost unnoticed the first time she puts your **** in her mouth. She will work you until completion, no matter what it takes. You are uninhibited. You've a nice chat afterwards and leave with a big smile. The happiness lasts for days to come.
This is about the best experience you can have in a Honolulu AMP. Most of the time is not as good. I am not even sure if all of the above ever happened in a single session. It can be as bad as the following: The only choice is an over forty year old woman who barely speaks English. She smells like cigarettes, gives no massage, and does not allow you to touch her. It's so unpleasant you almost have to make yourself come. Afterwards you realize it might have been a man. A disgusting experience you wish you would not have had.
Here are a few recommendations to improve the quality of your experience:
* Once you find a good provider, stick to her. Your chances of having a memorable experience with someone you had good service from before are much higher than with a new provider. After having done a girl two or three times, a man would like to try something new. Yet, as awkward as it sounds: Try to be faithful. Girls have days (or months) off, but you can call ahead to make sure she's there.
* Do yourself a while before you go. You can last longer and get more out of the experience.
* The brain does not work well when the blood is elsewhere. Many bad situations can be anticipated, but you have to make decisions on the spot.
* If you're nice to her, she might give you her phone number the second time you visit. Many of these ******, they are bitches. She might do it only to keep you as regular costumer, but she could also be looking for a b-friend. Many of them dream of true love. If she doesn't want to meet up with you outside the AMP, it's strictly business. It's difficult for them to find a serious b-friend, because they can barely walk around without being recognized. "Costumers everywhere" they say.
* It's unlikely but busts happen. I hear that they don't arrest clients, but might collect their id.
* AMP girls are professional and they know how to avoid disease. People have reported broken condoms or picked up diseases, but it's statistics. AMPs are healthier than street girls.
* Most AMPs are open 24 hours, but some times are worse than others.
- After 4am girls go to sleep. They can wake one who sleeps there, but it limits your choice.
- Many girls show up for work at 7.
- Don't go around Chinese New Year, which is also Korean New Year, because many providers are away.
- When a busload of Japanese tourists arrived, you might even get turned away.
There is not a whole lot of variety. All the AMPs work about the same and have the same house fee, currently $50. Most providers are Korean from late twenties to late thirties. Depending on the place/girl you might get a massage or not, and prices and quality vary a bit. Honolulu offers the best action compared to the rest of the island and the other islands.
(Corrections and suggestions are welcome.)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Poi Dog]Maja = That's right.[/QUOTE]Here are some others though I dont know about the spelling.
Thank you - Kamsahamnida
Yes- Neh
No - Aniyo
Pretty - Ipuda
Good afternoon/evening - Annyonghaseyo
I love u - Saranghamnida
Honey/sweetheart - Jagiya
break up - pahon
Want to be my girlfriend? - Nae yeojachinguga doeeojullae
Hate - Miwohaeyo
I am so sorry - Joesonghamnida
[QUOTE=Buster50]Here are some others though I dont know about the spelling.
Thank you - Kamsahamnida
Yes- Neh
No - Aniyo
Pretty - Ipuda
Good afternoon/evening - Annyonghaseyo
I love u - Saranghamnida
Honey/sweetheart - Jagiya
break up - pahon
Want to be my girlfriend? - Nae yeojachinguga doeeojullae
Hate - Miwohaeyo
I am so sorry - Joesonghamnida[/QUOTE]Darling, honey, sweety - Jagi, Yeobo
Would you marry me? - Jeorang gyeoronae juseyo.
my girlfriend beautiful - Na yoja-chingu ipo-da.
If the federal government is bailing out automakers and bankers, why not spread some of that cash to "stimulate" another vitally important part of the American economy? :D Here's a recent news report from the Associated Press.
Porn industry seeks its own stimulus package
In an announcement that launched a thousand unprintable puns, adult-entertainment moguls Larry Flynt and Joe Francis said last week that they are asking Washington for a $5 billion federal bailout, claiming that the porn business is suffering from the soft economy.
Francis insisted in a phone interview that this is no joke or publicity stunt, though his tone suggested otherwise. "The government’s handing out money to the auto industry," Francis, producer of the Girls Gone Wild video series, said on the phone from his Santa Monica office. "Why shouldn’t it hand some to an industry the nation could not live without?"
The request, Francis said, was being made in a letter to Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. The $5 billion figure, he said, reflects the decline in U.S. adult entertainment industry revenue from $18 billion three years ago.
If porn producers are feeling the effects of what one wire service called "the sagging economy," the pain might be felt most acutely in the San Fernando Valley. In 2007, revenue from more than 200 Valley-based adult-content companies was estimated at $1 billion.
One adult-film star from the Los Angeles area said she is feeling the pinch. The actress who performs as Jenna Presley said her Web site has seen a 20 percent decline in customers, about 1,000 of whom pay $19.99 a month to watch the 22-year-old perform online.
Presley said the downturn has forced her to cut overhead. "I said, ‘I’ve got to stop paying guys and girls to perform with, and I’ve got to find (other Web site proprietors) to do a content exchange with,’ " Presley said matter-of-factly. Instead of paying co-stars, she is posting their videos on her site and they’re posting her content on theirs.
"I haven’t had any complaints," Presley said. Other performers, Presley said, have faced pay cuts as video companies take the uncharacteristic step of tightening their belts. "I know companies are reducing their rates," Presley said. "Instead of paying a girl $2,000 for a boy-girl (scene), now they’re trying to pay $1,200."
Presley said she has refused to work for less and so far has not lost business. "I stand up for myself," she said. "A lot of girls, the business is so slow, they’re happy just to find work (at any price)."
Despite all that, Presley said she considers the bailout bid by Francis and Hustler chief Flynt "a little crazy" and thinks companies need to cut unnecessary expenses. She said the porn industry, like the auto industry, is to blame for failing to change with the times.
"I’m not taking this bailout request seriously," Presley said. "I love Larry. He’s a great guy. But he doesn’t need $5 billion."
Her reaction echoed those of a San Fernando Valley congressman and the head of a Valley business group. "I regret that two porn-industry executives have used the current economic crisis to launch an obvious publicity stunt," said Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Sherman Oaks. "As Americans face tough economic times, we need a serious discussion of the issues."
Bruce Ackerman, president and CEO of the Economic Alliance of the San Fernando Valley, said: "I don’t think it’s a reasonable request — and I would say that of any of the industry groups (seeking bailouts). I don’t think you can laugh any of these requests off. I sympathize with any industry that needs help," Ackerman said, noting that the adult-entertainment industry employs thousands of people in the Valley. "But is it something the taxpayer should be burdened with?"
Flynt’s and Francis’ announcement coincides with the start today of the four-day Adult Entertainment Expo in Las Vegas. They hope to find support for the bailout bid from other industry leaders. "People are too depressed to be sexually active," Flynt said in a news release. "This is very unhealthy as a nation. Americans can do without cars and such, but they cannot do without sex." Adult DVD sales and rentals have decreased by 22 percent in the past year, the news release claimed, as viewers seek free porn online.
Flynt and Francis will have some convincing to do even in Las Vegas, judging by the reaction of Steven Hirsch, founder and co-chairman of L.A.-based Vivid Entertainment Group, the 25-year-old company that bills itself as the world’s leading adult film producer. "To think we’re going to go to Washington and get a bailout is a little unrealistic," said Hirsch, who said he heard about the Flynt-Francis ploy in the media. "This is not the time to make sweeping statements. This is the time to buckle down and take the steps we need to save our industry. This industry is not immune from (the bad economy). People are spending less money, period."
Hirsch said he thinks Flynt and Francis are "just poking fun at all the industries getting bailouts." Hirsch said Vivid isn’t suffering as badly as smaller rivals because its prominent brand name gives the company "a leg up." He declined to get specific about Vivid’s revenue.
[i]When the going gets tough, the tough get going! ... Here's a news report from the Associated Press showing how the bad economy is encouraging some women to explore new career options. [/i] ;)
More women needing cash go from jobless to topless
As a bartender and trainer at a national restaurant chain, Rebecca Brown earned a couple thousand dollars in a really good week. Now, as a dancer at Chicago's Pink Monkey gentleman's club, she makes almost that much in one good night.
The tough job market is prompting a growing number of women across the country to dance in strip clubs, appear in adult movies, or pose for magazines like Hustler.
Employers across the adult entertainment industry say they're seeing an influx of applications from women who, like Brown, are attracted by the promise of flexible schedules and fast cash. Many have college degrees and held white-collar jobs until the economy soured.
"You're seeing a lot more beautiful women who are eligible to do so many other things," said Gus Poulos, general manager of New York City's Sin City gentleman's club. He said he got 85 responses in just one day to a recent job posting on Craigslist.
The transition to the nightclub scene isn't always a smooth one, from learning to dance in five-inch heels to dealing with the jeers of some customers.
Some performers said they were initially so nervous that only alcohol could calm their nerves.
"It is like giving a speech, but instead of imagining everyone naked, you're the one who's naked," Brown, 29, said.
Eva Stone, a 25-year-old dancer at the Pink Monkey, said dealing with occasional verbal abuse from patrons requires "a thick skin."
Makers of adult films cautioned that women shouldn't rush into the decision to make adult movies without considering the effect on their lives.
"Once you decide to be an adult actress, it impacts your relationship with everyone," said Steven Hirsch, co-chairman of adult film giant Vivid Entertainment Group. "Once you make an adult film, it never goes away."
The women at the Pink Monkey say dancing at a strip club might not have been their first career choice, but they entered the business with their eyes wide open. The job gives them more control and flexibility than sitting in a cubicle, and "it's easy, it's fun and all of us girls ... look out for each other," Brown said.
In this economy, "desperate measures are becoming far more acceptable," said Jonathan Alpert, a New York City-based psychotherapist who's had clients who worked in adult entertainment.
For some, dancing is temporary, a way to pay for college loans or other bills. Others say they've found their niche.
Dancers at the upscale Rick's Caberet clubs in New York City and Miami can make $100,000 to $300,000 a year in cash, even with the economic downturn, club spokesman Allan Priaulx said.
Priaulx said 20 to 30 women a week are applying for jobs at the New York club, double the number of a year ago.
Rhode Island's Foxy Lady held a job fair Saturday, seeking to fill about 35 positions for dancers, masseuses, bartenders and bouncers. The Providence Journal reported that more than 150 job seekers showed up to apply for work at the strip club. Foxy Lady co-owner Tom Tsoumas said a recent promotion to cut prices helped the club regain business lost due to the bad economy, forcing it to hire more employees.
Still, analysts say, the industry isn't immune to the economic recession. Business is down an estimated 30 percent across all segments, including adult films, gentleman's clubs, magazines and novelty shops, said Paul Fishbein, president of AVN Media Network, an adult entertainment company that has a widely distributed trade publication and an award show.
"In the past, people have said this industry is recession-proof," said Eric Wold, director of research for financial services firm Merriman Curhan Ford. "I definitely don't see that; maybe recession-resistant."
Strip club dancers and managers said they're drawing in the same number of customers, but fewer high rollers. "They're not getting the big spenders," said Angelina Spencer, executive director of the Association of Club Executives, a trade group for adult nightclubs. "They're not getting the guys who come in and drop $3,000 to $4,000 a night anymore."
Still, the clubs' operating structure leaves them with low overhead and profit margins of up to 50 percent, Wold said.
Dancers are independent contractors, paying clubs a nightly flat fee depending on how long they work. At the Pink Monkey, for example, dancers who arrive at 7 p.m. Sunday through Thursday pay a $40 "house fee," while women who don't arrive until midnight pay $90. And they keep their tips.
Wold and others say it's almost impossible to estimate the size of the adult entertainment industry because few companies are publicly traded. He does pay close attention to three that are: Lakewood, Colo.-based VCG Holding and Houston-based Rick's Caberet, which own clubs, and New Frontier Media, a Boulder, Colo.-based adult film producer and distributor. All three are profitable.
Rick's Caberet had $60 million in revenue in its 2008 fiscal year, up from $32 million the year before, Wold said, and he estimates VCG will have $57 million for last year, compared with $40.5 million in FY2007. New Frontier Media generates more than $400 million in consumer buying a year.
Larry Flynt, whose half-billion dollar Hustler empire publishes magazines, produces and distributes films and operates a casino, said he's continued to do well. But he doesn't expect those who are solely in the film business to survive. "A lot of the small studios are out of business now, there's no doubt about that," Flynt said.
Adult magazines also are struggling along with the larger publishing industry, and have to cut pages like everyone else.
But the economic realities aren't keeping job seekers away.
Vivid Entertainment's Hirsch said the number of women in his business has doubled in the last couple years, with roughly 800 working as adult actresses. "It is more competitive than I've seen it in 25 years," he said.
That doesn't mean all the newcomers are planning on lengthy careers in the industry.
Stone, who has a bachelor's degree in graphic design, took up dancing four years ago to help pay her student loans. She plans to go to graduate school this year to pursue a master's in education.
Brown, meanwhile, has a ready answer for those critical of her career choice.
"I have job security," she said.
Drive like role models because LE is cracking down on everything. I'd put this in the DT section but I was recently pulled over around the kapiolani area. I was just crusing around trying to decide which of our finest AMPs would be the best to visit when I saw the flashing blue lights behind me. I was being pulled over for something really minor. Cop in the SUV was nice enough. He just checked my drivers licence and let me go. Luckily I wasn't drinking. The other cop in the patrol car looked like a real dick though, shinning his lights in my face and walking around all angry. The haole suv cop tried to convince him to let me go. Made me kinda feel better about haoles.
Anyway the Click it or Ticket campaign recently started, and don't forget the ban on cell phones while driving law that goes in effect next month.
When are we gonna catch a break?
Howz'it Monger Brah's,
I've off this system for a little bit but I managed to pull up my original SN.
Been out and about, Mongered in Ohio a couple weeks ago nothing special.
While in the airports of Minneapolis, Columbus, and Dayton I did not see any women come even close to the ones we have here. Saw some half-way decent looking ones in Dulles but I didnt see anything close to what we have here until I got to LAX and San Fran. couldnt wait to get home!
LUCKY WE LIVE HAWAII! Hawaii AMP's here I CUM! LOL!
Had a few drinks with friends at The Shack just recently and we were talking all kind of shit after just a few green bottles. We got on the topic of strip clubs and adult video stores. One of my buddies mentioned that there are adult theaters and "glory holes" in these establishments. He explained the antics that "can" go on in these theaters or booths and I was floored since I've only been to places like Diamond Head Video, Aaxtion Video and Suzy Qs. Two things immediately came to mind, health and safety and that was pretty much it for me. The topic turned pretty quick as it seemed to gross out my other buddies.
While I don't have any burning desire to stick my "yahoo" through a hole or have sex in a theater with a stranger, I'm curious to findout if these establishments actually exist in Hawaii.
[QUOTE=Starfox64]Drive like role models because LE is cracking down on everything. I'd put this in the DT section but I was recently pulled over around the kapiolani area. I was just crusing around trying to decide which of our finest AMPs would be the best to visit when I saw the flashing blue lights behind me. I was being pulled over for something really minor. Cop in the SUV was nice enough. He just checked my drivers licence and let me go. Luckily I wasn't drinking. The other cop in the patrol car looked like a real dick though, shinning his lights in my face and walking around all angry. The haole suv cop tried to convince him to let me go. Made me kinda feel better about haoles.
Anyway the Click it or Ticket campaign recently started, and don't forget the ban on cell phones while driving law that goes in effect next month.
When are we gonna catch a break?[/QUOTE]Where's the "probable cause". Cops can't just randomly pull you over to "check" if you're complying with the law. Now if they have a roadblock set up, that's a different story. They need some reason to pull you over. Damn cops these days, violating our civil rights. Why can't they just leave us mongers alone!