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Massage parlor's closure sparks suit against city
By Tanya Mannes
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
August 18, 2006
CHULA VISTA – The owner of the Oasis Spa massage parlor has sued the city after a prostitution bust shut down his business. The lawsuit was filed less than a month after another massage-parlor owner filed a claim against the city for lost business after a prostitution sting.
On Feb. 13, the city revoked the holistic health practitioner's license of Marcos Crews, owner of the Oasis Spa, 681 Broadway, after one of his employees, Pongchamia Trapapan, was arrested on suspicion of prostitution.
Crews is appealing the city's decision, and the city agreed to hold an appeal hearing. However, city officials have refused to provide Crews a copy of the police report, according to court documents.
Crews filed a lawsuit last week in San Diego Superior Court, asking a judge to order the city to release more evidence. His attorney, Michael Crowley, criticized city officials for withholding information during the appeal process.
“The most fundamental part of defending a business is to know what allegations you are defending against,” Crowley said Tuesday in a telephone interview. “I have represented people in a number of similar hearings with other agencies, and I've never been denied the discovery to this degree.”
Police spokesman Bernard Gonzales declined to comment on the case, citing the ongoing litigation. Court documents state that police consider the report confidential because the case “remains open,” but the documents provide no details of what that means.
The Oasis sting took place Jan. 25. Chula Vista police Officer Bartt Benjamin posed as a customer and paid $50 for a half-hour massage.
Court documents state that while performing the massage, Trapapan, 32, touched the undercover officer inappropriately and then agreed to perform a sexual act for an additional $50. Benjamin alerted police officers who were waiting outside, and the woman was arrested on suspicion of prostitution.
Trapapan was released on her own recognizance, police said. San Diego Superior Court records indicate that she hadn't been formally charged as of yesterday.
Chula Vista's municipal code states that the city can suspend or revoke a license or permit for businesses that operate “in an unlawful manner” as determined by the city, even if no one has been convicted of a crime.
Crowley said Crews never condoned prostitution and isn't responsible for Trapapan's actions. He believes the police report will help prove his case.
“Our argument is that, regardless of what happened, my client is not liable unless they can show he allowed it,” Crowley said.
The Oasis lawsuit was filed about three weeks after the owner of another massage parlor, the Chula Vista Spa, filed a $60,000 claim with the city for lost income after being shut down for six months. The owner, Ginger Cowardin, is fighting the Jan. 24 closure of her business over alleged prostitution activity.
Police had carried out a sting at the business in June 2005, also with Benjamin posing as a customer. One worker, Mi Sun Yi, 48, was arrested and charged with prostitution. The District Attorney's Office later dropped the charge, saying it couldn't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
Cowardin's attorney, Michael Meaney, sued the city in San Diego Superior Court in March in an attempt to reopen the business. He argued that Cowardin wasn't provided with adequate evidence, including the police report, for her appeal. Meaney also stated that Cowardin wasn't aware of any prostitution activity at the massage parlor.
A judge ruled in favor of Cowardin, stating that the city didn't provide enough evidence to support its denial of Cowardin's appeal. The judge gave the city the option of holding another hearing.
Two days after the judge's May 9 ruling, Cowardin tried to reopen her business but again was shut down by the city. She was issued a misdemeanor citation for operating without a license, according to court records.
She filed her claim for lost income July 24.
Cowardin was linked to prostitution a decade ago when she operated another Chula Vista business, Yin Yang Acupressure on Third Avenue. Police shut down that business in 1996 after finding evidence of prostitution, including a bag full of condoms in a closet. No one was charged with a crime.
City Attorney Deborah Cave, who is handling the massage-parlor cases on behalf of the city, couldn't be reached for comment.
Police Chief Rick Emerson said he couldn't comment on the prostitution stings, but that police routinely check on businesses such as massage parlors.
“This isn't some kind of new crackdown,” he said Tuesday in a telephone interview. “We have people who monitor police-regulated businesses all the time. If there's illegal activity, we take the appropriate civil action.”
Tanya Mannes: (619) 498-6639; [email]tanya.mannes@uniontrib.co[/email]
Seen lots of ads for incall in SD. Never seen any reviews. Nobody been to any of them? Someplace else to scope them out? I was just looking for an incall private for about 100 that does the stress relief and sensual massage thing. Damn this board is kinda empty!!!!
[QUOTE=Cash Value]Seen lots of ads for incall in SD. Never seen any reviews. Nobody been to any of them? Someplace else to scope them out? I was just looking for an incall private for about 100 that does the stress relief and sensual massage thing. Damn this board is kinda empty!!!![/QUOTE]
I used to have pretty good luck with some ads in the Reader. There was one on Adams Ave a while back that was amazing! But alas, they went out of business. Unfortunately I travel a lot and do not have much time to experiment. But when I do I will certainly share...
I did go to an incall place in Irvine, $160 all inclusive. No upselling. Good times, good times...
Wasn't that the one on Broadway just to the south of E. St. with like a tattoo & body piercing place beside it? Thought about trying it before on several occasions, but my real purpose (TJ) kept me away.
$50 + $50? I'm used to AMPs here on the east coast charging $60-70 for the house, and $60-100 for the special services.
Made a trip to Osaka awile back and the thread never made it in here. Beings it is thin or reports I figured I would try to enter it again. The place is in a bar district and a nice neighborhood wich threw me off compared to most AMPS across the country I have been to. It was one of the cleaniest place I have ever seen. The price was normal entry fee for the 1 hour masage plus a ts.
After the decent table shower I was told to get in the hot tub and my provider an early 20's korean girl with a great body and personality.
The masage was about as good as it gets with lotion.
Here is where the story gets decent. I went with my friend which had a late 30's fiest korean girl. On my flip she said "your friend already done"
I was kindof confused so I said okay more masage here, and pointed to the important part. She did what we all enjoy so much and cleaned me up and I gave her a 20 tip.
My friend said all he got was a extremley hard masage and nothing on the flip. His provider said her hands were sore. He is not experienced like me so chances are he didn't give her the right hint.
Overall I would defiantely go back to the place based on the friendly service, hot worker and clean place.
For the price you pay you don't get enough back in return.
I'm hoping someone here can clarify: Ginza Spa is where Crystal Spa used to be in Pacific Beach, and Crystal Spa is now in Mira Mesa. Do they have two locations now, or are they separate entities? Any word on either of these places?
Tried Oriental Accupressure in PB last week. Older lady, don't remember name, w/ strong hands. Opted for massage only.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Avoid. this place at all costs. Everything is extra: touching boobs, girl taking of cloths and so on.
Any suggestions for a newbie to SD relative to Amps and extras.
[QUOTE=Jack6699]Any suggestions for a newbie to SD relative to Amps and extras.[/QUOTE]
Yup....drive south on 5/805 and park on the US side or take the trolley south as far is it goes and cross the border into TJ. Tell the Yellow cab driver $5 to Adelitas...you won't be sorry.
[QUOTE=Monger X]Yup....drive south on 5/805 and park on the US side or take the trolley south as far is it goes and cross the border into TJ. Tell the Yellow cab driver $5 to Adelitas...you won't be sorry.[/QUOTE]One, don't take the Yellow Cab. They're crooks and cheats. Take a Taxi Libre instead. Half the price and a better attitude.
Two, it's Adelita Bar, not Adelitas. Why the hell do so many people call it Adelitas?
Has anyone tried the MPs on ECB such as Body Stretch, or the one near the Unocal? Purple says to avoid Genie but does anyone else have some info?
So is Oasis still ok? I live like couple blocks from it and $.5 sounds really good right about now.
Whassup, fellow Mongers? Just moved from the East Coast and as the AMP lover I am thought I'd get a taste of the local scene.
Began with a visit to A.A. off of Rancho Santa Fe. Very professional look and all, a lot more business-like than what I am used to.
Was greeted and eventually also serviced by "Amy", early 30s and about a 6. Average massage followed, first dry and then oil was brought out. My provider seemed either tired or just at a distance otherwise. Rather uninspired finale in the spirit of Howard Johnson.
All in all, I got the feeling that perhaps on a repeat visit the atmosphere would lighten up a bit which would have enhanced the not-so-bad experience remarkably.
Fee .65, plus .4 tip - I think I will go back for seconds, since I have a good feeling about the place.
Will be back with hopefully more soon!
Conn.
[QUOTE=Cobra Comander]If you wanna get technical about it the name is "Adelitas Bar."[/QUOTE]Then they'd better change the name on the sign out front, the plaque on the wall, and all the t-shirts they sell.
[QUOTE=Connaisseur]Whassup, fellow Mongers? Just moved from the East Coast and as the AMP lover I am thought I'd get a taste of the local scene.
Began with a visit to A.A. off of Rancho Santa Fe. Very professional look and all, a lot more business-like than what I am used to.
Was greeted and eventually also serviced by "Amy", early 30s and about a 6. Average massage followed, first dry and then oil was brought out. My provider seemed either tired or just at a distance otherwise. Rather uninspired finale in the spirit of Howard Johnson.
All in all, I got the feeling that perhaps on a repeat visit the atmosphere would lighten up a bit which would have enhanced the not-so-bad experience remarkably.
Fee .65, plus .4 tip - I think I will go back for seconds, since I have a good feeling about the place.
Will be back with hopefully more soon!
Conn.[/QUOTE]Conn, I have been all up and down RSF Rd. and found nothing.
Ca you IM me any info on this place. I'm in NorCounty.
(If you need further information from me, just ask)
Thanks!
Giver
I tried looking at past post but can't find anything on Minato off Mission Gorge. Just passed by there tonight and I was wondering if it was any good.
Joe
[QUOTE=Joe Coodidge]I tried looking at past post but can't find anything on Minato off Mission Gorge. Just passed by there tonight and I was wondering if it was any good.
Joe[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Minato in a while, but my past experience was that extras usually were available. But you will get a major upsell/hustle, and the prices asked are probably the highest in SD.
Around the corner from Minato on Mission Gorge are Bellas (owned by Tiffany, the same owner as Sakura on Miramar) and another place next door to Iowa Meat (I forget the name). Bellas is generally pretty good and better prices. The one next to Iowa is more limited in services but my experience has been the girls look good, the price is right, and the atmosphere is pleasant.
Good luck and have fun, let us know what happens if you check out Minato.
Was in SD on business a couple weeks ago and decided to test out a couple of the local MPs. Arrived at one in PB around 0930 (before they were really ready to open, I think) and was greeted by JayJay. Took me to the room, where I had to wait for about 10 minutes while she took payment and got some supplies for the room.
Instead of a table, the room had a wide, firm, and comfortable mattress on a floor-level platform (somewhat like a waterbed frame). JayJay returned, still wearing a lightweight, buttoned blouse and a thin pair of white cotton stretch pants. Over the course of the next 40 minutes, she proceeded to administer one of the most thorough and competent body massages I've ever had, working the back, leg, arm, shoulder, and neck muscles, plus the scalp, completely.
She asked me to turn over, and continued the massage of the front of the legs and chest. Then, before she could apply any lotion, I had her lay down next to me and began massaging her through those thin cotton stretch pants, which she clearly enjoyed. A couple light kisses, and then I reached inside those same stretch pant and rubbed her directly and told her I was going to give her a "special kiss". The stretch pants came off very quickly.
I intentionally did not remove her blouse, but left it buttoned and unraised. Just began DATY directly. This is something this particular girl likes VERY much. She spread her thighs wide and laid her head back while I explored her outer and inner lips. Soon, she began brushing my hair with her hands and began breathing more heavily. (Good signs.) At one point, when I could tell she was getting close, she pulled her blouse up and started tweaking her nipples. I reached up with both hands and began massaging her 36Cs and gently squeezed her nipples, keeping up the oral attention below. It wasn't long before she "froze" after a loud gasp. So, I kept sucking for a moment, then stopped and gave her nips some kisses while I slid on protection. She saw what I was doing, and immediately reached down beside the bed, got a small tube of lube, and applied some on me. Obviously, she was ready for some additional stimulation because she pulled me up to and into her.
We did some rockin' and rollin' for about 10 minutes, with lots of DFK to boot. She came again, I came, and then we laid there for a bit. She then got some hot facecloths for cleanup, helped me get dressed, and showed me to the door (where she gave me another DFK for goodbye).
Overall rating for this gal: [B]8.5[/B]/[B]10[/B]/[B]10[/B] (L/S/A)
House fee: [B].75[/B]
Tip for massage: [B]$[/B] (...and [I]WELL[/I] worth it)
Tip for extras: [B]0[/B] (Hey, it was a legit establishment! ;) )
She only works a couple days in the week, so you need to call ahead to see if she's working when you want to visit. Also, I may have gotten her at an unusual time, when she was receptive to non-standard massage techniques. So, YMMV. But, even at that, the standard massage was EXCELLENT. Treat her well.
Have fun at the Forum --- [B]R::R[/B]
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Once more in SD, once more anxious to sample some of the areas offerings. After crusing ECB for a bit, decided to visit another PB establishment instead of going the "street" route.
Mink met me at the door, asks if I'd been there before. I lied and said "Yes, a few months ago, and had Mimi." My luck, a Mimi still worked there. :) No TS, just "lie down." She takes the entrance fee and returns in a few minutes. Good conversation and massage (requested "medium" & "soft"), and almost all the muscles are relaxed. On the flip, she gives a perfunctory light rubbing and then takes oscar in hand, pulls down her top, and starts applying a [U]deep[/U] BBBJ. Seriously, folks, this was one of the best I've had. This goes on for a couple minutes. I don't want to finsih yet, so I tell her that I want to "kiss" her for a while. She gets this nice wicked smile, takes off her panties, and we trade places.
So, there we are: she on her back, with her legs spread wide and pulled back, and me lying at the base of the table with my head between her thighs. It's an amazing thing, to see an Asian lady as she is ready to cum --- beautiful almond-shaped eyes becoming even more narrow, an expression that almost resembles pain but in truth is pure pleasure.
Not wanting to miss the fun, I had brought a cover with me and applied it while giving her some kisses. She was thoroughly wet by that time so, when it looked like she was almost lost in Shangri-La, I climbed forward and slid into her. She didn't protest at all, but gripped me with her legs and pumped me while I sucked her tits. She came hard, with a lot of noise. About 30 secs later, I knew I was going to lose it. So, I made a couple last thrusts, then pulled out and shot a load on her belly. We just laid then for about a minute. Then, she says to get up, and motions for me to climb into the jacuzzi/tub that's in the room. Both of us shower off, dry off, and dress. Then, I'm out the door with a "Cum back soon, honey" in that breathy sort of tone that we all like to hear.
She is a bit older (probably about 50-55) than some might like, but her skills are quite good. For those who appreciate an older lady, Mink may have just the sort of fur you'd want to feel against your skin.
[U]Summary:[/U]
Entrance Fee: [B].6[/B]
Tip for massage: [B]$1.2[/B] (Believe me, she can bend it.)
Tip for extras: [B]0[/B] (Hey, this is a [U]legit[/U] establishment, right? I won't insult them by suggesting that anything other than the advertised services are for sale, okay?)
Size estimates: 38C, 135#, 5'-7"
Rating: [B]7[/B] / [B]9[/B] / [B]8.5[/B] (L/S/A)
Have fun at the Forum --- [B]R::R[/B]
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Visiting from out of town and tried "Ginza Spa" (Grand Opening, it said) ... I'm thinking it's on Grand or Mission near I-5 ... you folks probably know. Went blind as I hadn't gotten around to RTFF yet, but fortunately I was in luck. Got a FS treatment from Laura.
On the plus side, she was very young (early 20s), slender and friendly.
On the down side, I let her propose to me and accepted giving her a too-large donation ($$). Sorry guys. But she was above average. Not the best face, but lots of smiles and a little bit of kissing/GFE, liked DATY, ect.
Walking distance to oasis but i dont know if its clean now.
Anyone with any info please reply.
She used to work in pb at the old massage place on the second floor next to washington mutual on balboa, and she used to work at stress free before they closed down. I finally found her again in Solana Beach at the new place that opened up about 10 months ago. She goes by Sammi now and has black hair and not dyed blond.
I remember her. She was my first, back when she was at Crystal in PB. I have been hoping to find her again, maybe she can be my last, as I am giving up the hobby.
Truly one of the best russian experiences of my life.
As a returning monger to San Diego County, I am indeed surprised to read that FS can be had at ANY MP in San Diego, as it sure was not like that when I last went to one in the 80's down here! I wonder if there are any up here in North County worth a visit to.
There is a new amp in Hillcrest called Naomi. I believe it's on 4th st. They have fixed up the massage place that used to be there. It's near the corner of Washington. When I was there the masseuses were all Thai. The bad news is it was not worth the effort. My masseuse was Diamond. Real attitude! Said she was in Atlanta the last 4 years. She should have stayed there. It's typical rub and tug with emphasis on tug. You've heard of jerking it off? She tried pulling it off! I just said "hold on there Cactus Lil". I'd like to keep that thing attached to my body. I guess that's a potential problem any time a strange asian girl grabs on to our particulars. I won't go back.
Another bad experience at the amp called Genie on ECB. Again, real attitude. Oh, you would like to touch me, that's extra. You would like me to touch you, oh, that's extra. You would like me to give you a massage, oh, that's extra. Don't bother.
[QUOTE=Chukichz]There is a new amp in Hillcrest called Naomi. I believe it's on 4th st. They have fixed up the massage place that used to be there. It's near the corner of Washington. When I was there the masseuses were all Thai. The bad news is it was not worth the effort. My masseuse was Diamond. Real attitude! Said she was in Atlanta the last 4 years. She should have stayed there. It's typical rub and tug with emphasis on tug. You've heard of jerking it off? She tried pulling it off! I just said "hold on there Cactus Lil". I'd like to keep that thing attached to my body. I guess that's a potential problem any time a strange asian girl grabs on to our particulars. I won't go back.
Another bad experience at the amp called Genie on ECB. Again, real attitude. Oh, you would like to touch me, that's extra. You would like me to touch you, oh, that's extra. You would like me to give you a massage, oh, that's extra. Don't bother.[/QUOTE]
Chukichz,
Thanks for taking one (or two) for the team. I hate when they treat my cock like one of those old cigarette machines where you pulled the handle to get the cigarette packs.
Joe
Someone mentioned some North County MPs. Here's one to stay away from:
A new AMP opened on Oceanside Blvd a few months ago. I thought I'd try it out. This is one of the worst MPs I've ever been to.
They advertise in the NC times and have a coupon for $10 off of an hour. They also advertise a free table shower. The table shower consisted of a warm washcloth.
The massage was too light and mechanical and I was covered with a very large, thick towel the whole time.
When I finished and was getting dressed I noticed a sign on the wall asking me to please leave my undergarments on "for health reasons" There were also several signs referencing something about the OPD.
The final thing that makes this place even worse is that as I was dressing the lady came in to straighten the massage table. She didn't change the sheets, she just straightened them and put down a large piece of some kind of paper, about 2 feet wide.
I went home and immediately took a shower
I happened to be in Mission Valley area today and decided to try Hong's. Walked in and mamasan asked me to wait for ten minutes. Then, mamasan decided to do it herself. After at most probably 30 seconds of lousy massage, she asked me to turn over and started to give me the price list. "$60 for playing your dick, $80 if you cum, $120 you can touch me, $200 for everything." I could not believe my ears! When I questioned her, she had a nasty attitude. I just told her fuck it, put my clothes back on, and walked out. She said something in Korean as I walked around. I noticed that the house was full which means some of you guys were getting good service. Unfortunately I did not. $60 down the drain.
I was so pissed that I decided to try one of my favorite places, Oriental in PB. Walked in and told mamasan what I like. Mamasan guided me to the room and asked me to wait. I had to wait butt naked for almost 10 min, but it was definitely worth it because I got some incredible service from Wendy, a Thai lady. For all of you who like big boob Asian ladies, go try her and you will not be disappointed. She told me she has not finalized her working schedule yet. So you have to call to find out if she is available.
Have fun!
[QUOTE=ohmdude]I was so pissed that I decided to try one of my favorite places, Oriental in PB.[/QUOTE]Is the place on Garnet Ave? I had gone to that place a few years back and didn't have good service. Good to hear that things have changed.
[QUOTE=hpman]Is the place on Garnet Ave? I had gone to that place a few years back and didn't have good service. Good to hear that things have changed.[/QUOTE]That really depends on your definition of good service. Similarly to strip clubs, good service in San Diego is equal to poor service in the OC/LA area.
Stopped by to get deep tissue massage. Was handed off to Jenny (Korean) from Los Angeles. About 5'4" in height. Straight black hair tied in a pony tail. Speaks passable english. Asked if I had been there previously. Of course I have. I requested for massage and bath. She guided me to the sauna/steam room to bathe. Then guided me to the room. Performed excellent legit deep tissue massage. I watched the clock and there appeared to be no extras. Finally I was asked to turn around laying on back. While being massaged on the front-side of my body I guided her hand to my erection. She quietly and discretely softly massaged my balls and caressed my shaft. Then she walked to the shelf to get some lube and worked me into ecstacy until I exploded my load all over the place. She worked me until I relaxed and then grabbed a hot towel to clean me up. Excellent service. No full service here.
Adams Avenue
L/A/S=7/9/9
[QUOTE=Bronze Beast]Stopped by to get deep tissue massage. Was handed off to Jenny (Korean) from Los Angeles. About 5'4" in height. Straight black hair tied in a pony tail. Speaks passable english. Asked if I had been there previously. Of course I have. I requested for massage and bath. She guided me to the sauna/steam room to bathe. Then guided me to the room. Performed excellent legit deep tissue massage. I watched the clock and there appeared to be no extras. Finally I was asked to turn around laying on back. While being massaged on the front-side of my body I guided her hand to my erection. She quietly and discretely softly massaged my balls and caressed my shaft. Then she walked to the shelf to get some lube and worked me into ecstacy until I exploded my load all over the place. She worked me until I relaxed and then grabbed a hot towel to clean me up. Excellent service. No full service here.
Adams Avenue
L/A/S=7/9/9[/QUOTE]Hey Bronze Beast,
Do you know which day Jenny or other younger girls work? I've been to Osaka twice before and got the old lady who I think owns the place each time.
Greetings,
Let me say first off that I have not been as active in the hobby as I once was. Over the years I have gone to the AMP's hundreds of times starting in the 80's. Ah, the good 'ol days! Now, occasionally I will get the urge, read the board and try and decifer an enjoyable, non-hassle place to go to. As you all know, things change rapidly and what one day was a great place turns to crap so if you do not visit regularly, you just don't know. I hope what happened to me is not the general state of the hobby today.
The last AMP I had been to was Minato. It has been well over a year now so things are probably totally different now. It was ok. The place was clean, good atmosphere and you could get what ever you wanted, for a price, but seemed hard sell at the time and the "girl" (35-40) was getting old, both ways! Anyway, I decided I would try Bella's this time. When I saw the place, I remember visiting there before it changed names and was nasty and very unenjoyable. Mamasan was the only one working and it was bad, so I was a little hesitant this time. But, being the good soldier, I took the assignment and went in. This place is very clean, nice big rooms, shower only no jacuzzi and very pleasant. The posted prices have gone up! (Wow! . 9 for the hour without a table shower? ! Is this normal? I paid the. 80 for 45 mins and feel violated! )Two girls were working that night and both were busy so I took a shower and waited 20 minutes. There was another girl there that spoke real english that as very hot (beautiful zoomers! ) but said she was not a massuese but mine would be there shortly.
First came in Jackie. Yes I said first. In all my dealings, I have never been handed off! Anyway, Jackie looked to be about 35-40, attractive in a "your-friends-mom-in-grade-school" kinda way. I was happy. After about 5 minutes of a covered-up real rubdown, in came Lee. 20's, black dress, looks an 7-8, pretty hot. Off came the towel and the rub down began. She did all the signs: accidently touching everything, riding my legs and feet with her cookie, everything. Then the flip. Work around al ittle more and then asked if Iwanted anything else rubbed. Weeellllll. How much? She then had the balls to ask for $80 for a tug! WHAT! No mouth or nothing. For a hand. And no negotiations. She was serious. I didn't even get to anything else. I was so taken back that I said just finish and I left. (No, I did not or would not give her that kind of bank for said service so the rate of inflation has not climbed.) And on the way out, she tried to explain to me that the normal tip for services rendered was 30%! Right. Piss off the client and ask for a tip. Good try. I played the "no habla" tactic and left quickly.
So, is this the general state of affairs on the AMP scene? Do any of you actually pay this? If so, y'all are stupid and got way more money than brains. Please comment about your own experiences and bring me back to feeling like there is still sanity in the scene. Private messages are appreciated.
Mr Strict
You are so correct. Guys let these girls walk all over them. Some of them pay for 30 minutes and are in and out in 10 minutes and they take it. These girls lay around all day watching TV until some sucker comes in and gets a 10 minute HJ for 90 bucks ( 50 +40 tip)they must be idiots or are very very lonely and let these Korean ****** take advantage of them. Go to mexico where the girls really appreciate your business. The Asian MP's are making 100,000 tax free from alot of idiots. But sometimes the local vice hauls them off in handcuffs for prostitution.
[QUOTE=Mr Strict]Greetings,
Let me say first off that I have not been as active in the hobby as I once was. Over the years I have gone to the AMP's hundreds of times starting in the 80's. Ah, the good 'ol days! Now, occasionally I will get the urge, read the board and try and decifer an enjoyable, non-hassle place to go to. As you all know, things change rapidly and what one day was a great place turns to crap so if you do not visit regularly, you just don't know. I hope what happened to me is not the general state of the hobby today.
The last AMP I had been to was Minato. It has been well over a year now so things are probably totally different now. It was ok. The place was clean, good atmosphere and you could get what ever you wanted, for a price, but seemed hard sell at the time and the "girl" (35-40) was getting old, both ways! Anyway, I decided I would try Bella's this time. When I saw the place, I remember visiting there before it changed names and was nasty and very unenjoyable. Mamasan was the only one working and it was bad, so I was a little hesitant this time. But, being the good soldier, I took the assignment and went in. This place is very clean, nice big rooms, shower only no jacuzzi and very pleasant. The posted prices have gone up! (Wow! . 9 for the hour without a table shower? ! Is this normal? I paid the. 80 for 45 mins and feel violated! )Two girls were working that night and both were busy so I took a shower and waited 20 minutes. There was another girl there that spoke real english that as very hot (beautiful zoomers! ) but said she was not a massuese but mine would be there shortly.
First came in Jackie. Yes I said first. In all my dealings, I have never been handed off! Anyway, Jackie looked to be about 35-40, attractive in a "your-friends-mom-in-grade-school" kinda way. I was happy. After about 5 minutes of a covered-up real rubdown, in came Lee. 20's, black dress, looks an 7-8, pretty hot. Off came the towel and the rub down began. She did all the signs: accidently touching everything, riding my legs and feet with her cookie, everything. Then the flip. Work around al ittle more and then asked if Iwanted anything else rubbed. Weeellllll. How much? She then had the balls to ask for $80 for a tug! WHAT! No mouth or nothing. For a hand. And no negotiations. She was serious. I didn't even get to anything else. I was so taken back that I said just finish and I left. (No, I did not or would not give her that kind of bank for said service so the rate of inflation has not climbed.) And on the way out, she tried to explain to me that the normal tip for services rendered was 30%! Right. Piss off the client and ask for a tip. Good try. I played the "no habla" tactic and left quickly.
So, is this the general state of affairs on the AMP scene? Do any of you actually pay this? If so, y'all are stupid and got way more money than brains. Please comment about your own experiences and bring me back to feeling like there is still sanity in the scene. Private messages are appreciated.
Mr Strict[/QUOTE]Too bad you missed out on Jackie, she's very good but quite expensive. I go to Bella and its sister AMP on Miramar fairly often, but don't know Lee. The service at these places tends to be pretty good overall, but they are not shy about asking for top dollar. I have this general observation about pricing:
It seems that about a year or so ago, the expected/demanded tips went up substantially. It used to be .2 for a r&t, .4-.6 BJ, .8 (maybe $) for FS. Now, they want at least .4 for r&t (sometimes, .6, .8 or even $ sin ropa, Russian, etc) for r&t, at least $ for BJ, and 1.6 for FS. And they'l often demand $$ for FS. Some negotiation almost always is required to get down to a more reasonable price, but the danger of negotiating too hard is that while you'll save money, you get bad service.
It makes it hard to sample multiple providers any more, given the cost and the hit or miss service. Now, you have to find a good, reasonably priced provider then just stick with her. Oh, for the old days when there were many AMPs and cost was low.
[QUOTE=IWannaP]Hey Bronze Beast, Do you know which day Jenny or other younger girls work? I've been to Osaka twice before and got the old lady who I think owns the place each time.[/QUOTE] It's hit or miss since the younger ones come down from LA and go home on whichever days considered time off. Yup, the older friendly accomodating one is the owner. Be nice to her and let her know that you wish to be serviced by a younger therapist. Your wish may be granted. YMMV. I hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Bronze Beast]It's hit or miss since the younger ones come down from LA and go home on whichever days considered time off. Yup, the older friendly accomodating one is the owner. Be nice to her and let her know that you wish to be serviced by a younger therapist. Your wish may be granted. YMMV. I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks man. I did enjoy the massage by the owner but that was pretty much it. I didn't ask her or attempt to get anything more because she is quite old.
Dear Fellow Mongers:
Being fairly new to SoCal I read your reports with gratitude (towards your spirit and intel) but also with a slight feeling of disgust (towards the ever-so-greedy providers). I have spent several years enjoying the pleasures of AMPs on the East Coast (if any of you should travel to the Baltimore/Washington area, please feel free to check my reports in the Baltimore forum). Prices there still seem to be a bit more within a reasonable envelope, but from time to time you encounter a bad one there as well.
I am currently exploring my area here (North County), so far Asian Angels on Rancho Sta Fe has proven to be a decent, if not too exciting, bet by my standards. Has anyone tried other AMPs or CL providers in the Carlsbad/Oceanside/San Marcos area recently? I am still a little lost around here, but will provide intel on my own as I go along.
In a nutshell I agree with you that we should stick to "conventional" rates, and boycott any providers' attempts to milk us for $$ (they should be milking for us other stuff instead...LOL)!
Happy hunting!
Conn.