Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1848720][blue]Note the blue ink;

So it's been a couple months and we are smack dab in the middle of the biggest dust up The Octagon has ever seen. This is exactly the stuff I had hoped to keep off the review threads.

My question is; is it working? Do you guys notice less douchebaggery in the review threads. For the guys that are normally quiet do you enjoy popping in here and seeing everybody throwing poo poo at each other? (I find it compelling) Are the relaxed restrictions too relaxed, still to stringent, or about right? Does anybody have a problem with me sharing here as a normal guy as opposed to an admin? Would you rather I STFU and reserve my input to an official nature?

I guess the bottom line is does it add value?

Anybody that's uncomfortable responding here please feel free to PM me.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Thanks this has cleaned up most of the other threads. But I also found that by blocking the posts of the the biggest douchebags that helps me. It doesn't delete there post so I still see there handles show up but ever thing that they say is blocked so that I do not have to read any of the garbage that comes out of there mouths, so to speak. So also thanks for the blocking feather on here.

[QUOTE=Admin2;1848802][blue]Thanks for responding, have you noticed less douchebaggery on the regular threads? [/blue][/QUOTE]We know that his removal isn't going to change and probably in the near future it will start again with him so the easiest way for the most part to keep the boards good is failure to respond to the DB in question. Since it is apparent his place is secure BChannel PM's are the way to go. Someone prior said to not share info with anyone about anyone and having just found out that two I used to think were trustworthy are no longer due to information I passed on to them, then even that will stop but just for me in this case. I like my brother would love to see one cleared along with some others on here but as has been said by both of us a number of times, it ain't going to happen so the best way is to quit responding to him and move on privately for us. We both share the same feelings so very little from us on the Octagon will be forthcoming which will probably be appreciated by both genders. For those who stepped up against him thank you. For those of you who know what he is and has seen it many times on other boards but did nothing you get what you deserve with this one. Thanks for your concern AD2 and for the work you do. Ain't easy brother. Everyone enjoy the rest of the weekend and keep those cards and letters coming LOL.

Good Morning Ladies and Gents.

Thought I'd touch base on the concern's regarding anonymous call's at inappropriate times. I have a guest whom Iv'e been dating for two years now, his most valued concern has always been protecting his hobby when it comes to his S. O. Therefore, he stops by his local payphone to contact me, always the same payphone and he calls first, to arrange the time, then, again to confirm. This technique has worked for him and I both since the beginning of our relationship. Hopefully this is helpful to those of you that are at a roadblock or fed up.

Although, I would like to add that it doesn't have to escalate into extreme anger, which I experienced not to long ago from a guest I had seen but will not see again due to his harsh and unnecessary response to a call he received from me. This call was made because my finger hit his name on accident which was directly above the name I was initially was attempting to call. This response was not only ridiculously rude but way out of line. We are not robot's, we do make mistake's. Not only did he call and received my explanation, he also acted as if that is still unacceptable.

Here's the thing, I myself, have the up most respect for family, children and wives not only because I was raised so well but because I have an ex husband, a Daughter, and a family whom I love dearly as well. Providers calling their client's begging for business or whatever is COMPLETELY INEXCUSABLE! Married or not, this should never happen. I feel we need to take into consideration that us girl's answer your call's and text's twenty four hour's a day, seven day's a week, our children play with our phone's (not mine but.) , and we spend time with our families too.

I feel at this point, the consumer and his provider should make this topic most important upon meeting, and make sure everyone concerned is on the same page. Unfortunately, I will not date this certain client furthermore because of the immense disrespect he portrayed. And it takes A LOT for Blake to let a guest go. However, I will not speak to my guest's in that matter therefore I expect the same in return. I hope everyone understands, If Iv'e ever crossed boundaries or called your phone at any time you weren't expecting it, first I apologize, second, it was an honest malfunction. I have made a strong attempt on a daily basis to continuously clear my call log and delete my text's. I hope everyone has a beautiful day!

Love, Charming Blake

A2,

IMHO, there is no question that the Octagon works and to me, the proof is in this most recent dust up.

Recall, it started with a review in the Massage Parlor Thread. WWIII was happening over here in the Octagon because of it but the MP Thread got crickets. Just as it should be. Anyone wanting a straight up review of any MPs in Cincinnati wouldn't be pulled into the battle or have to wade through the muck and mud.

As to your participation, I think it's great that you feel comfortable slinging shit in black. Where else can you express your opinions with a-holes like us! . And the subtle guidance we get in blue is usually pretty well grounded in some basics so I personally don't feel stepped on when you bring on the blue.

My biggest concern about the Octagon is that it will become the impetus to charge a subscription for USASG. Seriously, most everywhere else you have to pay for entertainment like this.

Have a great day.

Dz

[QUOTE=Admin2;1848720][blue]My question is; is it working? Do you guys notice less douchebaggery in the review threads.[/blue][/QUOTE]Seems to have done so.

[QUOTE=Admin2;1848720][blue]Are the relaxed restrictions too relaxed, still to stringent, or about right?[/blue][/QUOTE]So far, so good. The more "wild west" you allow here, the less I think will play out everywhere else. If you start to restrict it here, it will likely break out elsewhere again.

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1848720][blue]For the guys that are normally quiet do you enjoy popping in here and seeing everybody throwing poo poo at each other? (I find it compelling)[/blue][/QUOTE]I'll be honest, I [I]used [/I]to avoid the Octogon, but like you, lately I've found it somewhat compelling, in the popcorn munching sense. (:

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1848720][blue]Does anybody have a problem with me sharing here as a normal guy as opposed to an admin? Would you rather I STFU and reserve my input to an official nature? [/blue][/QUOTE][I]I [/I]certainly don't have a problem. After all, if everybody [I]else [/I]gets to play, why not you. You're always careful to separate [blue]Admin2 [/blue]from the monger behind the screen name, and as long as you're doing that, I will continue to have no problem.

For the most part, The Octagon is working to keep the douchebag comments and childish flaming out of the review boards. While I understand that The Octagon 1) provides entertainment for those reading for pleasure. 2) probably reduces the administrative work of A2 by not having to delete endless stupid posts on other threads, and 3) provides an outlet for dudes to *****, piss, and moan, there is a noticeable con to The Octagon as well. If you condone and establish a forum for guys to act like dickheads, they will not disappoint.

Yes, The Octagon has reduced the douchebaggery on the other threads, but it has increased the douche level on the USA Cinci forum overall, because the childish back and forth bullshit is explicitly condoned. F*ck or don't, like a gal or don't. Report and move on. My wife used to be on a bunch of pregnancy forums and I have to hand it to the douchbags here. Your pettiness and childlike behavior far outshines that of hundreds of batty hormone filled pregnant women. Congratulations.

A2,

I think it serves its' purpose for this area, but I think if it was on a larger scale; meaning not posted in one of the Cincinnati threads (I only found it by accident) but in the major forum area of USASG with rules clearly posted like the rules posted at the Hawaii thread and as you are one of the 'Guardians and Gate keepers' you could advise that disagreements be moved to the major forum 'Octagon' before getting banned for things that members wouldn't be banned for in the Octagon. Even with some modifications to the rules, I think the rules in general are about right.

I awesome enjoy popping in and see what's going on (also you once told me you would change my user title to something rather unpleasant if I didn't stop in every now and then) lastly members seem to completely understand the difference of the black and blue announcements and it allows members to get to know the 'Ring Master' and your opinions does matter, members want to know your thoughts, input and how you relate to all this. I do like the fact that you are a trash talking monger just like us with the same goals and what this site was created for.

Lex

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1848639]The 'you' in my posts was not specifically aimed at Christina. I apologize if it came off that way. I meant a general 'you' or 'whoever'. I was upset when I responded, and I should have waited before jumping on the nasty bandwagon.

All this crazy stuff just needs to stop. It's making everyone look bad, and no one wants to see an angry provider or client, unless you are into that sort of stuff ha ha.

Kisses.

Molly.

PS: Where is LexLuther with some hot pics of out-of-town pun-nay-nay?[/QUOTE]MD,

I travel through the forum and place to place and I hope that you are doing great and I wondered where you went, I thought I saw that you were back in my area of the world. Any who, I think the hot "out-of-town" pics you are thinking about is from the famous Glockman. If I took pics that hot, I don't think I could share them.

Lex

Unless you're a newbie, and assuming your read the Octagon on a regular basis, you know about the bully PhatDaty.

I am posting again here because I have received numerous PM accolades in response to my recent post about the history of PhatDaty. If you're unaware of PD's true nature and history here's a link to my recent post:

[url]http://www.USASexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?9626-Rants-Raves-and-Opinions-AKA-quot-The-Octagon-quot&p=1847368&viewfull=1#post1847368[/url]

In response to the above post, several members asked via PM my opinion on what could be done to convince Admin2 to ban PD (for the second time) from this board. I told them I personally do not believe Admin2 is about to ban PD. I believe if Admin2 was going to ban PD it would have happened by now.

[B]My proposal:[/B]

It is clear to me the best way to feed PD's ego is to respond to him. Period. Over my past two years on this board I have noticed that even the most scathingly negative posts directed at PD do nothing but feed him and makes him 'Phatter! ' In other words, responding to PhatDaty in any manner simply enables him.

As I have often worked with children throughout my career I propose a simple solution regarding PD:

[B]I PROPOSE SILENCE FROM EVERYONE REGARDING PHATDATY! [/B]

PD not only thrives on everyone fawning over his Playboy Forum style reviews, he equally thrives on combat. In fact, I believe he prefers combat. What is the best way to combat this bully?

Answer: [B]COLLECTIVELY CHOOSE NOT TO ENABLE HIM! [/B]

[B]FIVE KEY ACTIONS NOW:[/B]

I believe there are five key actions that must occur simultaneously and unanimously in order for this solution to work:

[B]Action #1:[/B] Do not react to a PD post! Do not ever publicly post a response, comment or reaction to any of PD's personal posts or PM's.

[B]Action #2:[/B] Do not react to someone else's post about PD! That includes responding to this post! Do you want to respond / react to this post? Then send me a PM! Don't respond here! Again, to begin your contribution to this movement simply DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS POST! (send me a PM if you need to instead). Silence is your ultimate response!

[B]Action #3:[/B] Do not communicate directly with PD! Do not ever PM PD himself.

[B]Action #4:[/B] PM everyone you can about this post ASAP! Here is the link to this very post:

http://www.USASexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?9626-Rants-Raves-and-Opinions-AKA-quot-The-Octagon-quot&p=1849605&viewfull=1#post1849605

Copy the above link and send it as a PM to every senior and provider you can to make them aware of this movement!

[B]Action #5:[/B] The moment you see anyone respond to a PD post of any kind send that person the above link to this post to encourage them to take action based on their status:

A) if a senior, ask him to remove his own post about PD immediately.

B) if a regular member, ask that member to discontinue any future PD reactions / communication and send him a link to this post for future reference.

[B]Summary:[/B]

Face it, PD isn't going to go away. However, if we collectively take away what nurtures PD's online personality, he may possibly shrivel up and crawl back into the hole from which he was hatched. In other words, if PD posts anything now and in the future, the best way to combat this bully is by collectively choosing not to enable him by simply choosing not to respond / react.

My suggestion to everyone currently in conflict with PD (Chrissy, MyOwnIllness, BigMack, WhyBuyTheCow.) :

[B]Fight a bully with what a bully fears most: silence. [/B]

(black ink) I think saying somebodies Name 25 times while using a half a page of forum space to tell people start ignoring a guy who you just mentioned 25 times while using a half a page to talk about him is ridiculous. Professionally, and personally I think openly trying to organize people to protest a member is a really fucking bad precedent. I think one of the reasons I take up for the guy is because it's always him against 30 of you.

In this last dust up, which has gone on for four pages, he wrote a half a paragraph about a provider I know nothing about (CC honey I'm not endorsing his opinion) and 10 of you jumped out of the bushes to attack him. For doing what? Giving his opinion in a fucking review! The very fucking purpose of this site. EXACTLY what Jax had in mind when he started it. You don't have to agree with him, you're certainly welcome to give a conflicting review if you have seen the girl but none of what I read was about that. It was how he was wrong, even AFTER, pay attention here, THE GIRL HERSELF said he had a right to his opinion. Some fucking douchebag even had the temerity to accuse me of selling my responsibilities here. In case I forgot to say it (really just because I want to say it again) that guy can go fuck himself one more time.

Here is my personal take on it. I think you guys are fucking jealous. He fucks a lot of hot chicks (pretty well, if the chicks reviews of him are to be believed) he writes really well, and he's kind of arrogant. In my eyes, this shit below is nothing more than fucking peasants marching with torches.

If you don't like him, fucking ignore him. For my part, he's welcome at the Monger Mansion any time he wants to come.

You guys like to refer to him as a bully. That's the first time I've ever heard of the guy standing in the middle of the circle getting pounded on by a group of guys called the bully.

If you REALLY don't understand why people can't stand him then you don't get the big picture. He used a phoney nom de plume to stir up shit AND YOU BANNED HIM FOR IT. Then you let him back under his real name. He still continues his shit WITH IMMUNITY in the OCTAGON which seems to have been constructed for people like him. He chastizes people for something they like WHICH YOU SAID SHOULD BE PUT ON ANOTHER THREAD NOT HERE! Just to name a few. I don't know CC but do know she is afraid of losing her business which she depends on due to her home situation. That is more of his mongering. Some ladies fear him for the same reason, LOSS OF BUSINESS. The one man who can stop him in his tracks is YOU but YOU tell people Don't put me in this, don't send me any information KEEP ME OUT OF THIS. WORD UP HOSS, it is your job to be involved in controlling people like him. AGAIN on other boards he would be gone, on here he is allowed to spread his shit with impunity and even has a standing invitation from you to the monger mansion. Your choice for sure but from a guy in control of a board not what people who hate him want to hear. It is like he has become your personal puppy. He is verbally beaten on because he deserves it not because just have a hard on about him. FACT. He is brought this shit on himself and you defend him as both monger and GODLIKE administrator. No jealousy here just lack of belief anyone who has been banned can be let back and he goes back to square one again. Doesn't make any difference what color you write in he is still what he is and he is called out for it. Do I want to get banned hell no. Do I think people like him should still be allowed to be on this board, NO. Do a number of others NO! Do you YES! Since you control the lightening bolts that seems to be the decision and we have to live with it and will do so. BUT WE DON'T have to respond to him and can encourage others not to also do to his continued BULLS SHIT AND DRAMA. OUR CHOICE. You do a FUCKING good job on this board and do we appreciate what you do and have done? YES. Speaking just for me but seemingly in line with many others, does he belong in this community with his drama and bullshit? NO. Again in other venues his ass would be grass and other moderators would be the lawnmower. Thank you AD2 for what you do. Is it easy no. You bring a bit of relief and civility when you post as a regular monger. We appreciate you doing so. You bring levity along with your godlike presence when you post also. But as has been said many times, you seem to support him when he has created his own dilema with his shit and I don't know any board in my three decade experience that has banned a village asshole for being douchebag and still is lets him back to do more douchebaggery. Now I will lay off this and go PM on this as suggested. I am not discouraging anyone to post on here. ALWAYS their right but I refuse to feed the bullshit he spews and enable him to continue to be the loser he is with his ways past and present. Thanks again for all you do GODLIKE and MONGERWISE. Have a great week AD2 and year. Enjoy.

This is a review site and is used by the ladies as well as the guys to see who they want to see and who they don't. While there may not be a section for CLIENT REVIEWS, what we write and how we say things is used by ladies to determine if they feel we are safe and worth their time.

I had to laugh at the post that contained the following [I] ". She confessed to me how she truly feared him but would still continue to see him because he paid her so well and put her up in amazing four star hotels (jacuzzi required)."[/I] [U] Did I read that he pays her well, puts her up in amazing four star hotels? [/U] That woman was not looking for a boyfriend, she was just selling herself for money and comfort. OH CRAP. Isn't that what this is all about! Any woman who does not want to see PD can simply read these posts and reject the four star hotels and high pay he offers both in dollars and frequency. And oh by the way. I know a couple of ladies who actually like this guy and what he does with them.

PD is not every ladies American Idol, but he sure spreads his wealth. Imagine if these ladies only saw guys they liked with excellent character references and a modest budget. They would go broke. Let them decide whose money they take. If you boycott PD and he goes away, you will deprive some lucky ladies of being [I]". Paid so well and put up in amazing four star hotels (jacuzzi required)."[/I]

[B]DISCLAIMER:. [/B]Before someone jumps in and implies I am his WK and for the record, PD and I met one time for a few minutes before a GTG in Columbus a few years ago. Contrary to what was posted, we are not friends nor do we go out together.

There is no doubt in anyone's mind where I stand on the azzwipe in question. Our differences go back a number of years; he is caustic and if you refuse to place him as an object of your affection then he reacts like a spoiled child; well documented! With that said, we each have the choice to bannish anyone we want by the use of the little button below, and boom, there you have it, he or she is gone.

A2's friendship with azzwipe is his business but it seems apparent that his history with the one PD is short and doesn't encompass his number of transgression [and aggressions] toward many over the past 3 or so years. A2's business who he befriends and doesn't, is his business, not that he needs me or anyone else to grant acknowledgement. To answer A2's comment about mongers here being 'jealous' of anyone, this couldn't be further from reality. These rejections of the dickhead are solely to do with his history here on this board, under multiple monikers, nothing more. He has run down many folks in an attempt to elevate himself and is without a doubt the most narcissistic piece of crap that has ever hit send on this forum. Again, you haven't followed the history of the character [except for recent times], and not speaking of reviews but the many attempts at divisive and destructive posts toward MANY folks here on the forum. But with that said, this surely doesn't impact A2's opinion but it maybe summarizes what others feel here as to WHY the railing against one board personna.

Disclaimer: I seriously would not PISS in 'azzwipes' ear if his brains were on fire; as if you needed me to confirm this AGAIN!

PS. Additionally, we have all spent way more time on this subject that it truely deserved. Let's move on.

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1848720][blue]Note the blue ink;

My question is; is it working? Do you guys notice less douchebaggery in the review threads. For the guys that are normally quiet do you enjoy popping in here and seeing everybody throwing poo poo at each other? (I find it compelling) Are the relaxed restrictions too relaxed, still to stringent, or about right? Does anybody have a problem with me sharing here as a normal guy as opposed to an admin? Would you rather I STFU and reserve my input to an official nature?

I guess the bottom line is does it add value?

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Short and sweet. In my opinion, it is working. I do notice less douchebaggery in the review threads thankfully. I pop in on occasion just to see how ridiculous some of the members of this board can be. It's like that horrible accident on the side of the road. It infuriates you while you are stuck in traffic. And then once you are upon it, you seize the opportunity to gawk and cause further issues for the people behind you. The more relaxed the format, the better. I hope it makes your job easier as far as policing it. And I enjoy the humor in your normal guy posts.

I don't think it adds value but it at least lessens the drama in the useful threads.

My only question is. Why create more drama by bitching about the drama?

I wonder if the handful of guys on here calling for my head understand the irony that I can't even read their full posts, because they have been on my IGNORE list for ages?

I can only see the posts abstracts in the search function of the thread, or gather that they are once again crying wolf based on the quotes and references of others when they suggest how stupid they are for getting their panties in a twist publicly ABOUT ANOTHER DUDE!

Yes, this is a review site, but I am pretty sure we are supposed to spend our time and energy reviewing women, not reviewing the guys.

If they feel I am being unfair to a provider, the best way to show indignation is not to whine and complain, it is to go and spend their money with the lady they feel I have wronged. Then they can in turn offer a different perspective. If there are really so many them that feel the same way about me, and feel they need to protect the women from me, the best way to combat that is when I write a review they have issues with, spend the money, see the lady, and then write their own damned review! If enough of them do that, the other customers will dismiss my negative review (oddly I believe you can count on one hand the number of fully negative reviews I have actually written) as one bad session where the fault might mostly belong on the monger. I can't help but to wonder how many of the posse that formed over CC actually went and booked a session with her to truly show their support? If what they claim is true, I actually should have helped CC's business, because she should have had four or five repeat bookings from the loyal men that rescued her on the boards, and perhaps two or three new bookings from gents that have never seen her but still felt the need to join the posse.

Instead, they work themselves into a frenzy, and start complaining about me. Please tell me that they are more fascinated in women than in me.

If they really are as annoyed as they claim, why not get rid of the toothache? The IGNORE function on this site is very efficient and easy to use. Since it is the same group of guys over and over I can only figure they are either fudgepackers since they are more fascinated by me than the lovely ladies, or they are a bunch of tire kickers that are jealous.

The way I look at it is that when you are spending most of your time complaining about a guy's review, instead of seeing the woman yourself and offering a counterpoint, then you are simply engaging in public mental masturbation. When you get your friends to join in with you, it is a circle jerk.

Do these idiots understand that when they jump down a person's throat for writing a negative review that they are essentially hurting themselves? New members will be less likely to write their honest appraisals, because they see you have defend yourself if you have a different experience than they claim to have.

Even if I was the Mordred they claim me to be, Mordred will grow weary of fighting white knights eventually. Nobody on here will be willing to "Take One For The Team," if the team acts like a bunch of assholes if the review is anything other than a one paragraph love note.

I gather they are once again trying to force ladies to not see me, because they will tell these ladies if they find out (presumably by my reviews) that they fucked me, they will no longer be their customers?

Good luck with that, fellas. The reality is, there will always be a woman out there that will fuck me for the right price. All you do in the end is drive business away from the woman your threaten to boycott. Besides, evil menace that I am, I will find out who your favorite lady is, make an outrageous offer, and then fuck and ruin her pristine golden pussy just out of spite, and then never review her, but secretly laugh at you. In other words, you now will have in the back of your head the next time you go down on her or strap a rubber on:

[b]Did Phatdaty fuck her recently?[/b]

I will haunt you and enjoy it.

Of course, the other thing might be true. You might do to the lady what you guys did to Rhonda when you forced her into the corner with your market threats, all you did was deprive her from income, and perhaps a little joy, because she was either a wonderful actress, or I often rang her bell and made her whistle go off. On hindsight, maybe I should have taken her offer and seen her quietly and frequently and just remained silent about it, taking secret joy that you were later fucking a girl I had already spoiled. For all you know, I have actually been fucking her all this time in secret. Now there is a chilling thought for you to ponder.

The question I have, as you embark on yet another attempt to lash out at me, is:

When you convince a lady not to see me (and I just move on to another lady) are you guys at least stepping to the plate and replacing my business you just convinced her to turn away? Are you fucking her well and putting energy into your session to replace what I did for them?