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[QUOTE=Basketball;1726082].60 goes to the house, not the girl. No tip means the girl works for free. Not going to fly well.[/QUOTE]Even under the "rub only" circumstance, one should offer up a tip of say $20 for a decent job. But if one isn't interested in extras, why not visit the legit licensed massage places?
1:2 cups sometimes needs to be negotiated ahead of time. It may or may not cost you extra.
2: As for the set in stone. One place on the strip actually had three rates: 1) 30 min; 2) 45 min and 3) 1 hr. Something like $140, $150 and $160.
Very annoying.
What I meant by set in stone is just some type of deal. It could be a deal for 50 bucks or 160 or 200 don't matter but some type of agreement. Mamasan can't even negotiate because they don't even care how much you tip or if you get a HJ or CBJ or BBBJ they just want that house fee and get you out in time for the next customer. I 100% with you Spazen on the 2 cups thing, it's always good to discuss that prior to anything. The 3 different rates were on Ludlow right?
PhillyDwag, I'm just talking about the INITIAL BUST the AMP raid, what can be proved in court and who gets charged with what I don't know, either way shut down AMP for us mongers. It's ok just head over to another one of Phillys other AMPs in the meantime until that place opens up again under new management, we've all seen this happen. Leo knows all, they look the other way usually with AMPs, theres usually some sort of complaint from the general public in the area or the neighboring establishments to call for a bust. Lets just hope this never happens to the good AMPs, and keep happening to the Buttonwoods and AdamsApples (pretty gay name for an AMP)
Bert, if Bellas so so right now for you, try FC, let us know how Sugi and Bonnie are. FC have always been pretty consistent but don't know about as of late.
Where else is the "strip"?
[QUOTE=PhillyDwag;1726431]Try it. Walk into any AMP in the city where they don't know you. Directly ask How much for a BJ? Or do I get sex for this much money? [/QUOTE]
Even I’m not that stupid.
[QUOTE=Tonsil Hockey;1726477]The one thing that I found to be a "constant" in AMP's was the fact that the house fees, and tip fees were always set in stone.[/QUOTE]I plan to make the leap sometime later in the month. Here's my plan. I go in, looking as much as a regular guy and not a cop as possible. If I get the go ahead from mamasan, I will give her $60 bucks. Once I am in the room with the girl, and provided everything seems okay, I will place a $60 tip on the table. Am I good so far? Does this sound like a good plan.
Whatever happens; happens. If I leave with a smile, I am golden. If I leave with just a nice massage – it's back to the avenue and what I know best. No harm, no foul. It's just me experimenting with something different, something a little out of my comfort zone.
All be it a $120 experiment, it's still just an adventure taken.
CookyJar
Have $160 pre-counted.
IF mama asks for $60, give it to her.
Put $100 on the table if you gave mama $60, $160 you didn't give mama $60.
Remember this is $160 for about an hour.
Whatever happens, happens. No chit-chat about what the $ is for.
A clarification:
When I referred to the mamasan at the one establishment, it was one that I had frequented for several months, and the services on that lone occasion were provided by the mamasan, and not one of the girls. Sorry about that! When the establishments in Willow Grove (next to the barber shop and pool hall) , and Jenkintown (Sunshine?) , were in operation, the only two standards of service were the house fee, followed by either an H. E, or F. S. (both at standard fees). No extras whatsoever where available.
I've not had the experience of "variably-timed sessions, however, I can picture some providers opting for that variety to maximize their profits.
On my next trip south of Spring Garden, I'll have to try FC; from what everyone says, it seems like my kind of place.
[QUOTE=CookyJar; 1726942]I plan to make the leap sometime later in the month. Here's my plan. I go in, looking as much as a regular guy and not a cop as possible. If I get the go ahead from mamasan, I will give her $60 bucks. Once I am in the room with the girl, and provided everything seems okay, I will place a $60 tip on the table. Am I good so far? Does this sound like a good plan.
Whatever happens; happens. If I leave with a smile, I am golden. If I leave with just a nice massage – it's back to the avenue and what I know best. No harm, no foul. It's just me experimenting with something different, something a little out of my comfort zone.
All be it a $120 experiment, it's still just an adventure taken.
CookyJar[/QUOTE]You usually don't give the mamasan any money, once you enter the room and your girl comes in, you give the money to her. Not 120 though. 160 for FS. If you want a HJ for 120 you'll have to negotiate that with her but I suggest you just leave 160 and get the FS so theres no talk of bargaining and dealings because 160 speaks for itself at an AMP. You will be taken to a shower room to get your table shower then back to the room for a so called massage or back rub then the fun begins. Unless your strapped for cash I suggest going for the whole rodeo!
I thought I read somewhere, in a past post, that the tip was left in the open on a table.
[QUOTE=Sam Katz;1726982]You usually don't give the mamasan any money, once you enter the room and your girl comes in, you give the money to her. Not 120 though. 160 for FS. If you want a HJ for 120 you'll have to negotiate that with her but I suggest you just leave 160 and get the FS so theres no talk of bargaining and dealings because 160 speaks for itself at an AMP. You will be taken to a shower room to get your table shower then back to the room for a so called massage or back rub then the fun begins. Unless your strapped for cash I suggest going for the whole rodeo![/QUOTE]My mistake! I thought it was $60 to the house & $60 tip. I also thought, to make things clear to everyone concerned, Mamasan got hers up front and in order for the masseuse to know what's being requested, hers was placed on a table separate from the house fee. If I put $160 in mamsan's hand, is she going to assume that I paying $160 for normal service? If I put $160 in the providers hand is she going to assume that I am a very generous tipper?
At some point mamassn or someone has to tell me a fee for services – the massage. I understand that no one is going to mention or ask for monies for a sexual act. I assumed that by placing the tip on the table I'd be indicating extras beyond the table shower and massage were expecting.
Normally I am a pretty good negotiator. That is, until it comes to negotiating with someone in a foreign language. My understanding is that most of these girls speak broken English. I thought that was the whole point of placing the tip in plain view. A $100 tip should speak for itself.
CookyJar
Indeed Sam. But I just don't think I'd be hitting up fc anytime soon. Parking blows round there and its very open air entry for a daytime romp.
Besides since I know there's goodies at bella I'm likely to walk out of fc if I'm not digging the measly assortment.
The few Philly places I've been to, you walk in, mamasan leads you to the room, door closes, then girl comes in and asks for $160. Then, she leaves and asks you to take your clothes off (I guess gives mamasan her share, and puts the girls share away) , then she comes back, shower, massage, etc.
It's totally different in DC / NOVA, where you give mamasan the $80 or w / e, and then after the shower and massage, the girl asks you to flip, and you have to put her hand on your johnson when she asks what else you want massaged. You also are supposed to leave the tip on the table, and never ask how much. This is only usually the first time you go to a place.
The first philly AMP I went to, after the money, the girl came back naked in a robe for the shower, very nice and surprising.
[QUOTE=CookyJar; 1727168]I thought I read somewhere, in a past post, that the tip was left in the open on a table.
My mistake! I thought it was $60 to the house & $60 tip. I also thought, to make things clear to everyone concerned, Mamasan got hers up front and in order for the masseuse to know what's being requested, hers was placed on a table separate from the house fee. If I put $160 in mamsan's hand, is she going to assume that I paying $160 for normal service? If I put $160 in the providers hand is she going to assume that I am a very generous tipper?
At some point mamassn or someone has to tell me a fee for services – the massage. I understand that no one is going to mention or ask for monies for a sexual act. I assumed that by placing the tip on the table I'd be indicating extras beyond the table shower and massage were expecting.
Normally I am a pretty good negotiator. That is, until it comes to negotiating with someone in a foreign language. My understanding is that most of these girls speak broken English. I thought that was the whole point of placing the tip in plain view. A $100 tip should speak for itself.
CookyJar[/QUOTE]
CJ - I get where you are coming from. You are an experienced SW Monger with little or no AMP experience. Hey, that is fine, we all have our own preferences. But what is important to understand is that these are different worlds with different rules. So in a way, I am kind of intrigued to see you asking rookie questions on a topic I know more about. {for once! ;) } But alas, having to learn something new isn't a bad thing. [u]So hats off to you for your adventuresome spirit.[/u] Kudos for stepping out of your normal zone of comfort and trying something new! Just remember, do your homework and be careful. Most "accidents" happen when one is out of their "zone of comfort."
So, in brief, the "rules" for an AMP are different from the street. Deviate from the "standard rules" or try street tatctics in here and one runs the risk of being shown the door. I think you have the jist of what you need to do- but in case there are other newbies scanning the threads, I'll go into some detail.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;1727168]I thought I read somewhere, in a past post, that the tip was left in the open on a table.[/QUOTE]Yes, absolutely! Never mention the tip, don't gesture toward it, just rest it on the table. She'll see it and understand.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;1727168]My mistake! I thought it was $60 to the house & $60 tip. I also thought, to make things clear to everyone concerned, Mamasan got hers up front and in order for the masseuse to know what's being requested, hers was placed on a table separate from the house fee. If I put $160 in mamsan's hand, is she going to assume that I paying $160 for normal service? .[/QUOTE]DUDE! No. The house fee will be fixed. As you mention, usually $60 for the hour. Mamasan may or may not ask for the house fee up front. IF you are new or seem nervous / odd / whatever she might get involved in collecting the money. But I am sure that mamasan NOT touching any cash could insulate her from "issues" down the line and give her plausible deniability. So don't expect her to ask. [b]I would NEVER place the 160 in Mama's hand, never. [/b] That would be just Bad Form that could get you shown the door! Don't do this! Also, no need for seprating the house fee from the tip.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;1727168]If I put $160 in the providers hand is she going to assume that I am a very generous tipper? .[/QUOTE]
No problem with that whatsover. If Mama can't trust her employees, they cease to be employees. Again - [b]DO NOT PLACE ANY TIP MONEY IN THE GIRL'S HAND![/b] The girl when she comes into the room, may or may not ask for the house fee straight away. If she asks you may hand the house fee to her, but nothing else! In fact, if one wants to be AMP-experienced, even if she asks for the house fee up front, don't hand it to her- lay it on a nearby surface:table, massage table, chair, etc.
But I think what one is seeing from the posts below, if you want to "fit in" or look like an experienced AMP-monger, you just rest those 8-Jacksons on the table. There will be ample opportunity to do such as shortly after being shown to the room there will be a period where you are left alone to undress and wrap a towel around your waist for modesty's sake. Just place your 160 on that table before the girl returns and NEVER mention it! Don't ask if she sees it, don't gesture toward it.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;1727168]At some point mamassn or someone has to tell me a fee for services – the massage. I understand that no one is going to mention or ask for monies for a sexual act. .[/QUOTE]
I would not [i]assume[/i] that at anytime anyone in an AMP is going to tell you services for a fee. If you ask they may mention a price for 1/2-hour and a price for an hour but that is it. My advice is don't ask. If one expects that, they are in the wrong game or the wrong AMP. [u]Look, most of this is a subtle dance that is understood by all.[/u] If you place the 160 in plain sight, even though one will never catch the girl looking at it, she will see it. You think SWs have an eye for cash, these girls can spot cash from 20 paces and count it too. [i.e. don't try to short-change them.] At some point during the proceedings those 8 Jacksons will disappear. You will likely never see the girl collect them. This is how it should be.
[QUOTE=CookyJar;1727168]I assumed that by placing the tip on the table I'd be indicating extras beyond the table shower and massage were expecting.[/QUOTE]
BINGO! You got it! This is the subtle and un-spoken dance. This is also what gives AMPs a particular kind of risk. Everything is "assumed" and when one does this and encounters a lazy girl or an unscrupulous house, the girl can exploit the situation. This is why we advise AMP newbies to visit the well reviewed and reputable AMPs. [b]Remember too that if the girl does something "Above and Beyond" then it isn't bad form to add to the tip.[/b] Think of this like stopping in the convience store to buy a SW smokes, a soda or lunch at Mikey D's. A bit of a tip on top of the tip will get you remembered and possibly better service the next visit. [u]Oh and don't forget to thank Mama on the way out, either![/u]
[QUOTE=CookyJar; 1727168]Normally I am a pretty good negotiator. That is, until it comes to negotiating with someone in a foreign language. My understanding is that most of these girls speak broken English. I thought that was the whole point of placing the tip in plain view. A $100 tip should speak for itself.
CookyJar[/QUOTE]Exactly the 100 tip does all of the talking for you. No need to negotiate. Perhaps some guys do negotiate? I would suggest for a first time experience and being a new face, using ones negotiating skilz isn't a good idea. I guess if one wants something "above and beyond" the normal, they could "negotiate" the extras. But negotiations get you in trouble and if she is a stickler, you could get tossed.
Oh and some other "tips"
1) Sometimes Mama will ask you if you have been there before. The correct answer is "YES!" Then expect the next question(s) from Mama. [i]Who did you see? When?[/i] At this point you better be ready to mention a current or past girl. This is where these threads come in handy. If one can mention a girl that has departed and remember the timing of "when you saw her," you build some cred with Mama.
2) If you get "bad service" open yer pie-hole to mama on the way out. The reputable Mamas want your repeat business and want good reviews and will respond to the complaint positively. Now if your complaint is you didn't get BBFS, one is gunna be out of luck, but if the girl completely balked, rushed things or was terrible, mama should make things right. Shoot one time I complained and got a second girl for a second go round. But, hey - that ain't gunna happen if one just grumbles and leaves.
3) Take a look at the lovelies on the Funcity site and consider the rep they have for consistently decent / good service.
4) Now don't take this wrong, but AMPs aren't the most open-minded places. I don't know for sure, but suspect some places might all of a sdden be busy and tell you to come back another time. Best bet is to look like a CC businessman to overcome any such hurdles. If you hit a snag, head for Plan B and let us know.
hope this helps!
For me it's always been half and half even if its my first time at an AMP, when I went to 1819 last time I handed her the money no problem. 1123 also. But Bella they want you to put the money on the table, either way CookyJar just have the money ready to set on the table or in her hand. Try to either have 8 Jacksons or a Benny and 3 Jacksons so theres no counting and confusion and all it takes is a quick glance. Back when it was 150 I used to just carry a Ben and Grant easy but back then they didn't really tell me to set it on the table the girl always took it and walked out with it. Make sure you hit up FC or Bella as those are the top spots in Philly right now and 1207 (Pink) is not too bad either from what I heard. And don't let anyone ever fool you into thinking its 200 or anything like that.
One thing that I started doing years ago when going to an AMP, was to purchase one of the scented Avon liquid bath soaps, as the soaps used during the table shower range from "Dollar Store reject" quality, to Ivory, or sometimes (if you're lucky, Zest). My reasoning was discovered quite accidentally, after noticing that I almost had to ask the masseuse to discontinue the table shower, after she had extended the time to damn near 30 minutes. Fortunately, she was a very capable conversant in English, and disclosed that she enjoyed the peach-scented soap, which I allowed her to keep. The pleasantries extended into the session room, and proved to be a repeatable experience for quite some time to come. (not quite a GFE, but darn close. Definitely memorable)
I would also add that Cephalapod's recommendations are spot-on.
[QUOTE=Sam Katz;1727539]For me it's always been half and half even if its my first time at an AMP, when I went to 1819 last time I handed her the money no problem. 1123 also. But Bella they want you to put the money on the table, either way CookyJar just have the money ready to set on the table or in her hand. Try to either have 8 Jacksons or a Benny and 3 Jacksons so theres no counting and confusion and all it takes is a quick glance. Back when it was 150 I used to just carry a Ben and Grant easy but back then they didn't really tell me to set it on the table the girl always took it and walked out with it. Make sure you hit up FC or Bella as those are the top spots in Philly right now and 1207 (Pink) is not too bad either from what I heard. And don't let anyone ever fool you into thinking its 200 or anything like that.[/QUOTE]\
Oh and a couple of other thoughts.
A) Didn't think about the difference between Jacksons and a Grant & Ben, but if one has a choice perhaps the Jacksons are better? Reason is that Bens & Grants are most frequently counterfeited, so using them and you better believe Mama is gunna do some detailed looking. Haven't seen many messing with making fake Jacksons so perhaps less likely an issue. Then again, I don't work for the Secret Service so whadda I know about the topic?
B) Oh and since you are the Photo-King, I ought to mention that cameras and AMPs do not mix. If one is looking for a good experience the first time leave the camera at home. If you want to practice yer hobby, you could ask Mama on the way out how she feels about pictures and if for an extra fee one could bring the camera? But to head in and start taking pics and one could find the door rapidly! Even showing up with a visible camera or any kind of recording devise. The AMP is going to make certain assumptions.