"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3749968]Some new territory for me as I never had any luck with the SA gals who have been on that site for over 2 years. But I did contact one recently that has now come to the third date with discussed plans for the first trip to the FC after dinner at her place. She wasn't shy about her telling her boundaries in the bedroom and even said I should "gift" her whatever amount I thought was appropriate. Well, she has practical on her expectations and I am not sure my usual gift of $$ will keep her happy. I could do $$$ but I don't want to spend but so much over the long term. Any thoughts on women who are "practical" in their expectations?[/QUOTE]If you want to see her repeatedly, I'd go $300 - especially since she is hosting. OVer time, you can scale it back as she learns to enjoy your company as much as your schlonging. Starting too low risks insulting them.

Or there is the time trade off where you keep the allowance but start staying later / overnight and banging her more per visit.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3750157]
$$ is still my typical gift. There's no harm in starting at $$, worst that can happen is she asks for more. Have you been paying her for these platonic dates? If so, I'm guessing she's already ruined and will aim high for a FC visit. But it is possible that $$$ is more appropriate if you're in an area with a very high cost of living, or a place with fewer options.

I never gift until after the FC, and that is the advice you'll hear regularly here from other brothers.

Also, try to not to get misled by the mindset that this game is solely about money, because if you do you'll just get caught up in paying too much. It's actually much more like regular dating than mongering when done right. One could say all females are hookers in the sense that they all want a man that can provide, but understanding the psychology behind this will take you so much further than cash or gifts.[/QUOTE]Yeah, this is a great point. Have you been gifting for these social dates? If so, how much? I'm with JZ here, I never do that, unless they have a drive and then it's only 20 or 30 for gas. If you've been gifting already, then yeah maybe she will have high expectations, but I'd try $$ b / c you've already been paying for nothing.

As an aside, the ones who insist on money for platonic M&G I immediately discard. And if at the M&G they say they need time to be comfortable and want to just hang out socially for a while, if I like them I tell them I'm very patient and we can go slow if that's what she wants, but I also make clear (politely and sweetly) there is no sugar until the FC. You'll get them to the FC much quicker that way and take no risk of being played. There are girls on there who have no intention of ever going to the FC, they just lead guys on and get paid to go to dinner until the guy wises up, and then they find another sucker.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3750919]Yeah, this is a great point. Have you been gifting for these social dates? If so, how much? I'm with JZ here, I never do that, unless they have a drive and then it's only 20 or 30 for gas. If you've been gifting already, then yeah maybe she will have high expectations, but I'd try $$ b / c you've already been paying for nothing.

As an aside, the ones who insist on money for platonic M&G I immediately discard. And if at the M&G they say they need time to be comfortable and want to just hang out socially for a while, if I like them I tell them I'm very patient and we can go slow if that's what she wants, but I also make clear (politely and sweetly) there is no sugar until the FC. You'll get them to the FC much quicker that way and take no risk of being played. There are girls on there who have no intention of ever going to the FC, they just lead guys on and get paid to go to dinner until the guy wises up, and then they find another sucker.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good advice from both JZ and TDH. I don't do the platonic gifting. I quickly learned to be upfront with expectations of intimacy before any cash flows. A lot of messages end right there with the ever increasing number of platonic gals expecting their conversation to be my sugar. I'm going with $$. She's got a full time salaried job and says she doesn't have time for real dating and the relationship maintenance. I've done all the usual background checks via finding her Facebook page and her speeding tickets in Henrico county for the last three years. The $$ gives me some wiggle room to pay more if I deem it worth it. This one may turn out to be a longer term arrangement. I've been getting too many dead fish lately so now I am looking for a keeper.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3750766]I saw some chatter about Vanilla Visa not working anymore. Has that been confirmed? Anyone come up with a non-CC alternative that also doesn't reveal your identity? I have a dummy PayPal I could put money into and use. Obviously anyone can track it if they want; I'm just looking for a method that avoids my name and address if there is a hack or something similar.

I've actually been "off" SA for about six.

Months now and ended my various sugar arrangements about 4-5 months ago. I'm getting restless and would like to poke around to see what is out there. That said, between the payment challenges and the allegations of scammers using it for extortion, maybe I'll just stick to chaturbate and porn![/QUOTE]Saw somewhere someone said they got OneVanilla Visa to work in the last week. Last time I got rejected initially, but then changed the registration info on the card to an actual generic address instead of the fake I was using, and then it took it.

A common complaint of SBs is that they see a guy once (a trip to the FC) then he's gone, never to be heard from again. It never occurs to them that most of them are nothing special and the guy simply did not see the value in seeing them again. This goes double and triple for the guys with bigger budgets. When a guy starts offering 400 or even 500 for an evening he's going to have a world of choices and he's going to be like a starving kid in a candy store, sampling every single candy on the shelves. Even an average guy with that kind of budget will be able to get over 95% of the girls on SA. What's stopping him from moving on to the next one on the list every time?

I think that by creating high expectations many girls are setting themselves up for disappointment and of course then go on to blame the men on the site (remember, no matter what it's never the girl's fault) for the pump and dump they get. Some understand but most don't, if they had more realistic expectations the guy would keep coming back and they would have an actual long term thing going that they could count on. Instead girls aim for the moon and get the once-in-a-long-while pump and dump. Silly girls.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3751061]Instead girls aim for the moon and get the once-in-a-long-while pump and dump. Silly girls.[/QUOTE]Good luck explaining that to them!

Had imgur remove the photo. Sent them a letter explaining this is from a contentious divorce and now my number is off the site.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what does FC stand for? Feel free to PM me if you prefer. Thanks.

Thank you guys. These are great points to consider. I was wondering if folks have even tried this or not. It seems some of you did, so that's something doable if planned cautiously. It's just one of those things that somehow came in my head, and I have this urge to check that box on my listI guess I should think a bit more on that for now.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3750783]#1 - Concern is you have to go open Kimono on your name, which means she will learn everything about you. Do you have something to lose if she goes BSC on you?

#2 - If you pass that hurdle, map out time you would spend together. I've discussed it with one I'm seeing -- I already know everything in real life about her -- and have laid out the following scenario. Travel separately (she is an hour away) to NYC. She drops her bags at the hotel, then sees the town while I work. We meet after I check in and fuck. Go to dinner, fuck all night. She goes to a museum in the morning, meet for lunch and a blow job, she goes to the spa for the afternoon, meet for drinks and sex and repeat. She leaves the next day on her schedule and I work and leave. She is fine with that, no need / desire for a tourism partner.

#3 - set budget expectations. Her travel, her meals and drinks, spending money. Is there an allowance too? I'm lucky, mine would go just for the experience and basic spending money, no shopping needed.

#4 - figure out what can go wrong and plan accordingly.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3750767]I've come close but have ultimately never done this. Would never do it unless we had already crossed the "real name" threshold and even then I would be concerned it sends a message of being too "serious". Also, I prefer to play when I travel![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VAvet;3750709]I've done it several times and never had any issues but fundamentally it's all about the screening process. And at some level if she's really psycho and wants to figure out who you are she probably can. Run your license plate, stalk you on social media. Hard to imagine if they try hard enough that they can't figure out who you are so I would go for it. But it's risk / Reward my friend:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WPGuy;3751718]Sorry for my ignorance, but what does FC stand for? Feel free to PM me if you prefer. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There's an FAQ in this thread as well as tips and such. If you don't know what FC is, I'd honestly suggest you read those b / c there's a lot you need to learn to maximize your experience, beyond just that term. This is a great resource, use it and leverage our experience. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3751791]There's an FAQ in this thread as well as tips and such. If you don't know what FC is, I'd honestly suggest you read those b / c there's a lot you need to learn to maximize your experience, beyond just that term. This is a great resource, use it and leverage our experience. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]That was a good tip except that FC is not on the abbreviation list.

Full Combo like a meal combo.

[QUOTE=Harpman31;3751922]That was a good tip except that FC is not on the abbreviation list.[/QUOTE]With.

FC = Fvck Chamber.

[QUOTE=Harpman31;3751922]That was a good tip except that FC is not on the abbreviation list.[/QUOTE]

These SBs also don't understand allowances varies from geographic locations. A NYC SD willingness to spend is more than a West Virginia SD LOL.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3751061]A common complaint of SBs is that they see a guy once (a trip to the FC) then he's gone, never to be heard from again. It never occurs to them that most of them are nothing special and the guy simply did not see the value in seeing them again. This goes double and triple for the guys with bigger budgets. When a guy starts offering 400 or even 500 for an evening he's going to have a world of choices and he's going to be like a starving kid in a candy store, sampling every single candy on the shelves. Even an average guy with that kind of budget will be able to get over 95% of the girls on SA. What's stopping him from moving on to the next one on the list every time?

I think that by creating high expectations many girls are setting themselves up for disappointment and of course then go on to blame the men on the site (remember, no matter what it's never the girl's fault) for the pump and dump they get. Some understand but most don't, if they had more realistic expectations the guy would keep coming back and they would have an actual long term thing going that they could count on. Instead girls aim for the moon and get the once-in-a-long-while pump and dump. Silly girls.[/QUOTE]

There are all types of SB exist in SA.

One night a 19 years old SB called and said she need guidance on phone to make her cum and she used her fingers for the job. She sent couple of her hot pics while she is doing her job, on next morning she asked gas to come to see me, after she got gas, I see message lmao.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3750919]Yeah, this is a great point. Have you been gifting for these social dates? If so, how much? I'm with JZ here, I never do that, unless they have a drive and then it's only 20 or 30 for gas. If you've been gifting already, then yeah maybe she will have high expectations, but I'd try $$ b / c you've already been paying for nothing.

As an aside, the ones who insist on money for platonic M&G I immediately discard. And if at the M&G they say they need time to be comfortable and want to just hang out socially for a while, if I like them I tell them I'm very patient and we can go slow if that's what she wants, but I also make clear (politely and sweetly) there is no sugar until the FC. You'll get them to the FC much quicker that way and take no risk of being played. There are girls on there who have no intention of ever going to the FC, they just lead guys on and get paid to go to dinner until the guy wises up, and then they find another sucker.[/QUOTE]