"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

So I get a PM from a member yesterday. Not going to mention any names. Goes something like this. "Hey when you're done with the Latina can you pass her on to me?" It doesn't work that way. When I explain that you have to do your homework and or join the site I get a profanity filled reply. Mind you this is the first time this guy has ever messaged me. I don't know the guy from Adam. I'm not sure what the thinking is here but it costs a lot of time and a lot of money to play this game. If you can't score on SA go back to paying for pros. I'm amazed at the gall of some guys.

I think this is at the root of the original question posed by the title of this thread.

Are sugarbabaies any different than escorts? If not, what makes them different? Are all women on the sugar sites sugarbabies? Some of the discussions have gotten ugly.

For me, the type of sugarbaby I look for, wouldn't sleep with just anyone for the money. They need a connection and wouldn't want to be "traded". I find the experience far beyond what I could ever find in a BP girl.

I don't judge guys looking for straight escorts. If I didn't have the SBs I have now, I may do it too.

My greater concern is treating girls on SA like BP girls runs the risk that SA will suffer the same fate as BP. I know some guys will think I'm fooling myself thinking SBs are any different than escorts. I don't really care, why should They? LOL.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3728093]So I get a PM from a member yesterday. Not going to mention any names. Goes something like this. "Hey when you're done with the Latina can you pass her on to me?" It doesn't work that way. When I explain that you have to do your homework and or join the site I get a profanity filled reply. Mind you this is the first time this guy has ever messaged me. I don't know the guy from Adam. I'm not sure what the thinking is here but it costs a lot of time and a lot of money to play this game. If you can't score on SA go back to paying for pros. I'm amazed at the gall of some guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3728184]I think this is at the root of the original question posed by the title of this thread.

Are sugarbabaies any different than escorts? If not, what makes them different? Are all women on the sugar sites sugarbabies? Some of the discussions have gotten ugly.

For me, the type of sugarbaby I look for, wouldn't sleep with just anyone for the money. They need a connection and wouldn't want to be "traded". I find the experience far beyond what I could ever find in a BP girl.

I don't judge guys looking for straight escorts. If I didn't have the SBs I have now, I may do it too.

My greater concern is treating girls on SA like BP girls runs the risk that SA will suffer the same fate as BP. I know some guys will think I'm fooling myself thinking SBs are any different than escorts. I don't really care, why should They? LOL.[/QUOTE]You are spot on. There are a number of pros on the site but for the most part they are your average girls next door that heard about SA through a friend. I prefer girls going to school because they are the ones testing the waters. I like to get them when they just join. I have had four arrangements that have lasted from 2-3 years. One lived with me for three years. Moved in when she was a little over 18 and moved out a little after she turned 21. I had her for her best years. She was intelligent, mature for her age, submissive and had a body to die for. Most need a connection before they will go to bed with you. All a pro needs is the $$ You want a pros number? I have no problem providing that. You want the number of a SB? Not going to happen. Now if I hadn't deactivated my account and I knew one was a DTF I have no problem forwarding her profile and then you do the talking.

My last one loved threesomes. That would be her laying down. The blonde was one I had seen multiple times but our schedules were not compatible. Both amazing.

But that's the nature of USG, or maybe even the world in general. Everyone wants things handed to them. Do the effin work or go home. I've literally spent 10's of thousands of dollars over the years. Bought cars for them, taken them on vacations in the states and overseas. Like a real relationship. And then when I'm done for whatever reason I'm supposed to give their numbers out to random effin strangers. I'm sorry, I have too much respect for them. And if you think that this would be an OK thing to do then that's probably why you can't pull anything from SA. I don't care if she's a hooker from BP show them respect and you will go far. Make them laugh and you will go further, show them a good time and you're in.

When I explain life to the guy he sends me back a profane message. Really? Fuck that shit!

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3728093]So I get a PM from a member yesterday. Not going to mention any names. Goes something like this. "Hey when you're done with the Latina can you pass her on to me?" It doesn't work that way. When I explain that you have to do your homework and or join the site I get a profanity filled reply. Mind you this is the first time this guy has ever messaged me. I don't know the guy from Adam. I'm not sure what the thinking is here but it costs a lot of time and a lot of money to play this game. If you can't score on SA go back to paying for pros. I'm amazed at the gall of some guys.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be too surprised by that kind of interaction.

1) With the slow demise of BP and other sites, more guys are headed to SA to get girls. Dude's "problem" with SA is to pick out & avoid the pros & BP girls. True SB's "problem" is deciphering if a guy is really into an on-going arrangement or will dump them once they dated once. Dudes who use SA as an escort site are what ruins it for those of us who truly seek an on-going arrangement. Sigh.

2) When I post elsewhere I frequently get contacted by "members" with less than 50 posts (usually less than 20) who expect me to share the names, numbers and info on girls I have developed. Of course, when I politely decline, their sense of 'entitlement" kicks in and I get a similar profanity laced response. That always leaves me shaking my head, but in retrospect, I am grateful for the reply. See, anyone with that kind of attitude and short fuse has the potential to be a scary date for the girl and I sure would feel badly if I was the one who passed her on. Sadly bad behavior by a few often dissuades others from posting or sharing. Sigh.

Have had experiences where I shared an UTR girl with a "senior" member: dude shorted her on the Poetry Reading Fee and then tried to run her down with his car when she chased him to the parking lot. UTR girls tell me of dudes who provide "gifts" that are counterfeit cash. Oh and then there are the ones who give a girl $20 ask her to head into the convenience store and buy them smokes and then drive off. That on top of worse things. So none of these stories of bad monger behavior surprise me anymore, sadly. Can you imagine dealing with that sort of "attitude" 100-times over on a daily basis like someone here has to? Yousa!

Honor among thieves? Honor among mongers?

I checked my SA inbox (very slow pushing notifications in the app) and 2 ladys contacted me one I know is real because I have her fb another looks like latina but she is white she looks very juice both replayed with rates I'm very interested in one of them if one of you wants the info I share with you but you must.

Sm.

Contribute to this forum.

And having hard time finding lady in SA.

On SA is a perennial problem for those of us w / SOs. A bowl brother PMd me but is too shy, so I will share his findings, edited somewhat.

'went to Walmart and purchased a Walmart visa debit card blue in color. It says green dot issued on back. (he activated it w / fake name address ss#, messing about online and by calling the 800# Their system said I couldn't use it overseas or online. I tried it anyway and to my surprise it worked. The card cost 1 at the store plus there is like a 4 or 5 fee they charge on first use. '.

One additional downside of treating SA like BP is that it tends to scare away my target demographic. Women who don't think of themselves as escorts get turned off quickly when propositioned for straight up pay for play.

Just like in strip clubs, proposition the right dancer you can get lucky, proposition the wrong dancer get slapped and thrown out by the bouncer.

I wish more guys knew how to navigate the waters and not scare away the newbies. Pros aren't hard to spot!! LOL.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3728283]I wouldn't be too surprised by that kind of interaction.

1) With the slow demise of BP and other sites, more guys are headed to SA to get girls. Dude's "problem" with SA is to pick out & avoid the pros & BP girls. True SB's "problem" is deciphering if a guy is really into an on-going arrangement or will dump them once they dated once. Dudes who use SA as an escort site are what ruins it for those of us who truly seek an on-going arrangement. Sigh.

2) When I post elsewhere I frequently get contacted by "members" with less than 50 posts (usually less than 20) who expect me to share the names, numbers and info on girls I have developed. Of course, when I politely decline, their sense of 'entitlement" kicks in and I get a similar profanity laced response. That always leaves me shaking my head, but in retrospect, I am grateful for the reply. See, anyone with that kind of attitude and short fuse has the potential to be a scary date for the girl and I sure would feel badly if I was the one who passed her on. Sadly bad behavior by a few often dissuades others from posting or sharing. Sigh.

Have had experiences where I shared an UTR girl with a "senior" member: dude shorted her on the Poetry Reading Fee and then tried to run her down with his car when she chased him to the parking lot. UTR girls tell me of dudes who provide "gifts" that are counterfeit cash. Oh and then there are the ones who give a girl $20 ask her to head into the convenience store and buy them smokes and then drive off. That on top of worse things. So none of these stories of bad monger behavior surprise me anymore, sadly. Can you imagine dealing with that sort of "attitude" 100-times over on a daily basis like someone here has to? Yousa!

Honor among thieves? Honor among mongers?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3727897]I'm not sure what the problem is but I find SA very productive. I've done the pros all over the world, have been working CL for probably 8 years. They changed the posting rules so it sucks now, or I don't want to research how to get around it. But SA has been the most bang for the buck. In about a week or so I had a three girl rotation going with a shitload wanting to meet. Most have averaged out at $$$ or less. The Latina I'm playing with now is probably more than I should be spending but she's adorable and has a banging body. I mean shit, I'm 60 and banging a 19 year old Latina. Win! I'm just not understanding guys that say they are having a hard time on SA. It's not rocket science.

Think psychology.[/QUOTE]Have found this board most informative in my short time on this site. Agree SA is a mongers playground, you just need some game and know how to take care of a woman, and be able to adapt to their intricacies. Rotation management is key, the latest addition has worked her way to #1 in just 3 weeks. It's a tad higher investment than my routine allowance (2-3), but she is lovely, long and slender with perfect curves, intelligent, stays overnight with 1-2 more play periods the next day, treats me like the man of her dreams with the chemistry that we all search for.

Thanks for the insight here.

I like those times when this girls are doing it for first time, make me feel like my first time too but in SA Sugarbb describe her needs you can see that they ask for easy transactions like no attachments and if it's possible make the main event quicker as possible like extract money from an atm at night in a bad area really quick also I always started with hi when I tried to have a convo with this hos they never answer back but when I asking for rates then it's when I got an answer, women never spend a dime trying to get a man and they never really make any hard afford to get a man they granted that men has to beg for women if this hos pay 90 bucks for a membership they are expecting their investment back in large amounts as always there is exceptions I haven't seen one those in my entire monger life no money no honey”

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3728469]One additional downside of treating SA like BP is that it tends to scare away my target demographic. Women who don't think of themselves as escorts get turned off quickly when propositioned for straight up pay for play.

Just like in strip clubs, proposition the right dancer you can get lucky, proposition the wrong dancer get slapped and thrown out by the bouncer.

I wish more guys knew how to navigate the waters and not scare away the newbies. Pros aren't hard to spot!! LOL.[/QUOTE].

That hasn't been my experience at all. I'm able to have a conversation with many and just ignore the straight to arrangement types.

It's interesting how many of us have different experience. "If you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. ".

[QUOTE=TheMarto1;3728692]I like those times when this girls are doing it for first time, make me feel like my first time too but in SA Sugarbb describe her needs you can see that they ask for easy transactions like no attachments and if it's possible make the main event quicker as possible like extract money from an atm at night in a bad area really quick also I always started with hi when I tried to have a convo with this hos they never answer back but when I asking for rates then it's when I got an answer, women never spend a dime trying to get a man and they never really make any hard afford to get a man they granted that men has to beg for women if this hos pay 90 bucks for a membership they are expecting their investment back in large amounts as always there is exceptions I haven't seen one those in my entire monger life no money no honey

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[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3728469]I wish more guys knew how to navigate the waters and not scare away the newbies. [/QUOTE]I don't think they care, though, since it doesn't effect them if they drive away non-pro's in their search for pro's.

I've found that if you don't catch a girl within the first few days of her signing up, it's probably too late. After that, they either stop using the site, they're a pro, or they've gotten jaded by all the disrespect and have become too tough a nut to crack.

It pays to refresh the recent list often. I like to catch ones whose pics haven't even been approved yet. If they're 18-20, slim, and either white, Asian, Middle Eastern or Indian, it's worth messaging them on the good chance they'll be hot. And they like that (they think) you were interested just based on what they wrote since their pic isn't up yet.

[QUOTE=TheMarto1;3728692]if this hos pay 90 bucks for a membership they are expecting their investment back in large amounts [/QUOTE]The women don't have to pay for memberships on SA. As long as they have a public pic available, they're allowed to read their messages for free.

They also usually don't realize that we do have to pay for it. I've talked to several who were surprised to hear that, and shocked to hear that it's $90/ month.

Nice approach to all and understand about Willy Nilly handing over like a commodity. Sounds like you've had a blast, and for that matter so did the girls.

Win (freaking) Win!

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3728221]You are spot on. There are a number of pros on the site but for the most part they are your average girls next door that heard about SA through a friend. I prefer girls going to school because they are the ones testing the waters. I like to get them when they just join. I have had four arrangements that have lasted from 2-3 years. One lived with me for three years. Moved in when she was a little over 18 and moved out a little after she turned 21. I had her for her best years. She was intelligent, mature for her age, submissive and had a body to die for. Most need a connection before they will go to bed with you. All a pro needs is the $$ You want a pros number? I have no problem providing that. You want the number of a SB? Not going to happen. Now if I hadn't deactivated my account and I knew one was a DTF I have no problem forwarding her profile and then you do the talking.

My last one loved threesomes. That would be her laying down. The blonde was one I had seen multiple times but our schedules were not compatible. Both amazing.

But that's the nature of USG, or maybe even the world in general. Everyone wants things handed to them. Do the effin work or go home. I've literally spent 10's of thousands of dollars over the years. Bought cars for them, taken them on vacations in the states and overseas. Like a real relationship. And then when I'm done for whatever reason I'm supposed to give their numbers out to random effin strangers. I'm sorry, I have too much respect for them. And if you think that this would be an OK thing to do then that's probably why you can't pull anything from SA. I don't care if she's a hooker from BP show them respect and you will go far. Make them laugh and you will go further, show them a good time and you're in.

When I explain life to the guy he sends me back a profane message. Really? Fuck that shit![/QUOTE]

In my pursuit of "Amateur" SBs, I've learned a few things I've found to be important.

1) I catch them right after they first join. Like its been said, before they get jaded or chased away by the p4p offers.

2) I have a profile pic and an interesting profile, but not arrogant profile. Show a sense of humor and humility.

3) I compliment them in my first message and demonstrate I read their profile. Many are looking to be treated better then guys their age so I play the part by being a gentleman.

4) I share my success in past long term arrangements. Most newbies want someone who knows what they are doing and can show them the ropes.

5) I express an interest in developing a friendship, but not a serious relationship. They don't want to feel like escorts, but also don't want a boyfriend.

6) I make sure they know I understand the concept of an allowance, but never discuss specifics and that I make it clear i won't try to be the highest bidder. This weeds out the gps girls.

7) I subtly introduce my interest in intimacy, but i don't focus on it. This makes them feel like less of an escort, but also weeds the platonic girls.

8) I move offline quickly. I need to get them before they get jaded and disable their profile.

9) I don't push too hard, because I don't want to appear desperate or spook them away.

10) I schedule a meet and greet quickly. I never provide an allowance for the meet and greet, but also make it clear there are no expectations from them.

11) I always show a sense of humor. This takes the tension out of the discussion ad helps then feel comfortable.

12) I expect this to take a lot of work and I get rejected often, but I enjoy the challenge and the hunt. Persistence has paid off. Finding a straight p4 p deal with an escort doesn't meet my need for the "thrill of the chase".

I've had some great experiences that keep me coming back for more. I've had all night multiple rounds with extremely beautiful and freeky women where we never discussed an allowance (I've just slipped them something on their way out). This type of "relationship" allows many women to explore their freeky side in a comfortable non-judgemental setting.

I'm sure I've missed some other points and would be interested in things others do to pursue the elusive "Amateur" SB.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3729118]In my pursuit of "Amateur" SBs, I've learned a few things I've found to be important.[/QUOTE]Great stuff and a great guide. Thank you for posting / sharing!