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Thanks for the advice. I am pretty guilty for doing those things. What can I say, I'm of age but younger than some of the girls. That's why I don't go to often I actually have to save money in order for me to visit.
[QUOTE=Datyb]Well, Hardy Harhar, you are either teasing us as your handle suggests, or if you did those things you are a real JERK! Do you pride yourself on being a cheat?
If so, you are a real scum bag.
D.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Uki Eater]Let me share this. I know some of you may not like this but, years ago I as well as some of you were able to get FS at 120, 100 and even under. I would just say I only have 100, then she says: "That's ok, I like you" Then, I get FS from her. Back then, it was easier. I was liking this that I never did cough up 150 for the longest time. The girls would just take what I gave them. Now, normally a provider would just get into it and expect that you will do FS not HS. But, if you don't let her know beforehand, she will think that you will do FS. I only had a certain amount on me and actually, only cared for HS. But, we went at it and I did her FS. I didn't say anything. Later, I short tipped her and did pull a fast one. I figured she wouldn't mind. She counted it and was in shock. Then, she later started raising her voice and demanded 150. Ho crap then she snapped! Damn, I never thought she would lose it but she did. She was screaming outside and mama had to scream back at her. I was talking to mama about it then later walked out.
Lesson learned. Do not pull a fast one on them! It's not worth it. If you are going to tip them less, let them know beforehand. Some guys have actually ran out without even tipping. What will the girl do? Run after him? That's why some places want to count it and see it beforehand. You may think you'll be able to make up stuffs in the past. But, it won't cut it these days. They are pretty firm now. I use to negotiate the HF sometimes but, I eventually just gave up already.
So, if you do see Chanelle, please don't do that. I as well as others will regret posting our experiences about her if you do.[/QUOTE]
If they ask up front, the $.5 is normal for FS and shouldn't cause any disagreement.
But shortchanging them like Hardly Harhar is definitely bad like the other brothers have said. Let the cameras get a good look so MS's and girls can pass the info to other AMP's to know about this fella. A while back some new monger posted and bragged about how he got off on a girl at RM and pretty much made her cry from abuse and we all jumped on his case. Later, he "apologized" and said it was all BS and signed off permanently? Still RM would have had this guy's face and reputation taken. Hawaii AMP's and mongers are closer than some think and we do look after each other.
[QUOTE=Lahainawhaler]If they ask up front, the $.5 is normal for FS and shouldn't cause any disagreement.
But shortchanging them like Hardly Harhar is definitely bad like the other brothers have said. Let the cameras get a good look so MS's and girls can pass the info to other AMP's to know about this fella. A while back some new monger posted and bragged about how he got off on a girl at RM and pretty much made her cry from abuse and we all jumped on his case. Later, he "apologized" and said it was all BS and signed off permanently? Still RM would have had this guy's face and reputation taken. Hawaii AMP's and mongers are closer than some think and we do look after each other.[/QUOTE]
Lahainawhaler, the provider I had did not ask me upfront. What I did was instead of mentioning to her I only had a certain amount, I just let her do her thing and she thought I had the 150. So, basically what I did is what Hardy Harhar did and is possibly consider doing again.
I don't want Hardy Harhar to consider doing it again. I'm guilty of doing it myself back then. I know now not to do it again. I know some of us feel that when they don't count it, we think: "Damn, she didn't count it, I could have given her less" I know some guys think this. I thought about this before and even my friends thought the same way to.
I can't and won't do that now especially when I'm still going to AMPs. These AMPS know my face already that it will give me a bad rep. What's f*cked up is when someone new or someone who doesn't visit an AMP that often will pull a fast one because he feels he will never go back there again anyways.
[QUOTE=Hardy Harhar]Yeah I've notice from all the other reports that it's good to be a regular and remember the girls names so that they get to know you more and feel more comfortable everytime you come visit. Well after my 3 visits within the past year I always manage to make some shit up when it comes to paying or make my stack look think by putting alot of $1's $5' and $10's and they never count the money. so I never ever paid over $100 on the tip or even paid a hundred. [/QUOTE]
Shame on you. Just remember: what goes around comes around.
[QUOTE=Hardy Harhar]Yeah I've notice from all the other reports that it's good to be a regular and remember the girls names so that they get to know you more and feel more comfortable everytime you come visit. Well after my 3 visits within the past year I always manage to make some shit up when it comes to paying or make my stack look think by putting alot of $1's $5' and $10's and they never count the money. so I never ever paid over $100 on the tip or even paid a hundred.
Wellfor an AMP most of the girls should be hot anyways. but since you mention Chanelle, i wanna sample her first if I can.
Um..How do I make an appointment..most of the AMP's wouldn't even post their numbers.[/QUOTE]My brother, with technology nowadays, ie cameras, security video, and mostly all the AMPS have them, plus the fact that the AMP members read this forum and others, it won't be long until you are ID'd by them. I wouldn't be surprised if someday soon you are "blueballed" by these AMPs. They talk to each other and share information. I mean, if anyone of us met a bad provider, the reports would soon be shared and that provider would not get much business. I hope this does not happen to you!
I would not give my recommendations for a bad provider to my brothers on this forum and neither will I recommend a bad monger to an AMP.
Peace out, Hardyharhar. MAYBE you will get the last laugh!
Be safe all!
V Rider
[QUOTE=Uki Eater]Lahainawhaler, the provider I had did not ask me upfront. What I did was instead of mentioning to her I only had a certain amount, I just let her do her thing and she thought I had the 150. So, basically what I did is what Hardy Harhar did and is possibly consider doing again.
I don't want Hardy Harhar to consider doing it again. I'm guilty of doing it myself back then. I know now not to do it again. I know some of us feel that when they don't count it, we think: "Damn, she didn't count it, I could have given her less" I know some guys think this. I thought about this before and even my friends thought the same way to.
I can't and won't do that now especially when I'm still going to AMPs. These AMPS know my face already that it will give me a bad rep. What's f*cked up is when someone new or someone who doesn't visit an AMP that often will pull a fast one because he feels he will never go back there again anyways.[/QUOTE]Brother Uki Eater. My sincere apologies. In rereading my text I sound like I'm disapproving you. Instead, it was to Hardy HH. Your incident was an honest mistake. Those to intentionally pull fast ons on the girls like Hardly Hardon muddy the waters. Aloha and be safe.
[QUOTE=Hardy Harhar]Yeah I've notice from all the other reports that it's good to be a regular and remember the girls names so that they get to know you more and feel more comfortable everytime you come visit. Well after my 3 visits within the past year I always manage to make some shit up when it comes to paying or make my stack look think by putting alot of $1's $5' and $10's and they never count the money. so I never ever paid over $100 on the tip or even paid a hundred.
Wellfor an AMP most of the girls should be hot anyways. but since you mention Chanelle, i wanna sample her first if I can.
Um..How do I make an appointment..most of the AMP's wouldn't even post their numbers.[/QUOTE]Weak! You Suck! Providers will begin to demand money up front as a result of your thievery. I did this before to a would be "Cheap Charlie". Im gonna let the mama's know of your shenanigans, she'll in turn will tell her girls then I'll get a picture of you from one of their surveillance cameras. Then I'll post it on here, and also print it out to distribute to amp's as a warning to look out for cheap charlie. LOL. This should be funny. If you see the camera, smile.
and just for him, chanelle will ask for and count the money up front.
[QUOTE=Bobby Gunn]Weak!!!!!! You Suck!!!! Providers will begin to demand money up front as a result of your thievery. I did this before to a would be "Cheap Charlie". Im gonna let the mama's know of your shenanigans, she'll in turn will tell her girls then I'll get a picture of you from one of their surveillance cameras. Then I'll post it on here, and also print it out to distribute to amp's as a warning to look out for cheap charlie. LOL.. This should be funny. If you see the camera, smile :).[/QUOTE]Once his identity is known, we could also have someone pay a visit to his home. There are some on this forum that are privy to that kind of info.
I think he's a troll looking for his few minutes of fame. He's gotten it so let's end this.
It is nice to see everyone get fired up though. Not use to seeing that happen around here.
Most of the time I want them to count the money so that they know I gave them a little extra. I rarely have anyone count in front of me. And except for escorts I have never been asked to pay up front.
I tried to get out to go see Chanelle again but didn't have time today. Flying out tomorrow so won't be around. Hopefully she'll still be the same when I get back.
So Chanelle versus Joanne or Amy? Should I try them or am I spoiled?
Went to Ichiban for the first time yesterday. Good times! Asked for Gucci since so many of you sang her praises but she was "busy". Spent time with Yumi who used to be at Nirvana, she left when new owners came in. Very pretty, looked really nice in her pink mini-dress. I was a first timer so no TS or massage until she figured out I was a "good guy".
CBJ, DATY, mish. She didn't seem to be too into the DATY but otherwise she was really nice otherwise. Have to go back to see Gucci.
[QUOTE=Bobby Gunn]Weak! You Suck! Providers will begin to demand money up front as a result of your thievery. I did this before to a would be "Cheap Charlie". Im gonna let the mama's know of your shenanigans, she'll in turn will tell her girls then I'll get a picture of you from one of their surveillance cameras. Then I'll post it on here, and also print it out to distribute to amp's as a warning to look out for cheap charlie. LOL. This should be funny. If you see the camera, smile.[/QUOTE]Thank You BG, I didn't want to say I always give my ATF $$ but I always get over time and the service GFE! Very few but yes!
[QUOTE=John Ross]Pay them what is due and do not short change them. When you do things like that, it trickles down to other mongers as providers will want to see the money first. I was recently asked to pay up front with a new provider and she explained why.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with the brothers!
HH you screw things up for the rest of us.
Hardy Har Har...younger than the girls. Is it because the high school girls want their money upfront and would take picture of you with their phone as you walk up to them?
[QUOTE=V Rider]My brother, with technology nowadays, ie cameras, security video, and mostly all the AMPS have them, plus the fact that the AMP members read this forum and others, it won't be long until you are ID'd by them. I wouldn't be surprised if someday soon you are "blueballed" by these AMPs. They talk to each other and share information. I mean, if anyone of us met a bad provider, the reports would soon be shared and that provider would not get much business. I hope this does not happen to you!
I would not give my recommendations for a bad provider to my brothers on this forum and neither will I recommend a bad monger to an AMP.
Peace out, Hardyharhar. MAYBE you will get the last laugh!
Be safe all!
V Rider[/QUOTE]Back in the late 1990's, I used to frequent this AMP on, if I remember correctly, Sheridan Street. Back then I used to go to these AMP's "smashed" after spending time at Oceans and Exotic Nights. I never "ripped off" these girls or the establishment but I had the habit of bargaining or negotiating with them. I honestly didn't know that time had gone by from when the New AMP era had opened up in 1996. I still tried to pay only $40 for the HF and $80-$100 for FS. MS wanted $50 for HF and the girls wanted $150 for FS but would come down to $140. Because they were probably "desperate" for business and didn't want to put up with me because I was drunk, they would give in to my negotiations. They did close down before 2000. I had shitty service: Rushed, less than 40 minute service, irritable providers, etc. I kept going back because they put up with me and they had nice girls and Seventh Heaven had closed down. The last time I went there and tried to go in, a friend was with me. MS started screaming loudly and refused to open the gate and told me not to come back anymore. It caught me totally off guard and was in shock. My friend went back and they let him in. When he later came out, he told me that they said I was a trouble maker and that I wanted service for cheap. This is my best friend so he did and said everything to back me up. He told them if they had the right guy because many guys come in to places like this. They said that I was the only guy who came in that wore snake skin boots. On top of that, they said that I was on their security video. I don't know how true this part is but they also told my friend that they would call the other massage parlors and give them a picture and description of me. And tell them about my attitude. I don't know if this is coincidental but an AMP next to Mckinnley Carwash, another on across from Saigon Passion, and Youngs Massage wouldn't let me in while others where let in at that time.
Several moths later, I was allowed at the AMP next to Mckinnley Carwash and this Asian girl had a long talk with me after the session. She told me that the service I get is what I pay for. That I need to pay the full HF of $50 and the full $150 for FS. She said, "If you pay full, no problems you get everything and full hour. You can eat, suck, and f__k me and I no complain. " That was close to the exact words. I asked why she was telling me this and she said WE all know you. You "Cheap Charlie. " This was in the late 1990's. Imagine now, 2010, there's more high tech cameras, computers, and video systems that can take a picture of you.
I usually do pay the $200 total but I also don't pay up front. I will always pay the $50 HF but the provider will have to earn the $150, which has been good so far.
Hardy Harhar, "Are you from Canada?
K. C.