Massage Parlor Reports

Come on fellas. Don't create the dramas of underworld gang leaders bringing these girls to America against their wills and other indentured servitude BS like that. They know what they are doing, and they do it willingly. Also, how much experience do these girls need? If they look good, I guarantee you that they know how to fuck enough for anyone here. One orientation day with an experienced girl will make a new girl a veteran.

For the house's cut, the $50 is more than enough if you do the math. It varies from house to house, but most houses charge the girls considerably less than $500 a month for supplies and to help pay the kitchen mamas/managers. Even an uggo who takes only 2 customers a day will make close to $100k even if you take into account their monthly time off. I know for a fact the superstars consistently take 8-10 customers a day, so if you want to role play that these girls are refugees who need saving that is fine, but don't pass that stuff off as fact.

2650

Yeah, they can't work straight through a month, because of their periods and because of infections. I've known non-professionals who've gotten infections from having too much sex with their boyfriends. Not STDs, just infections.

Also, let's not forget that some of them ARE making loads of cash, but it's all to pay off personal or family debts. I can't verify it, but I heard that sometimes loans taken out by them or forced upon them that they can't pay back in Korea get bought out by the Mamas apparently. Once they pay back the loan assumed by the mama, they're free to go. But...

The last thing: To each his own. We say YMMV all the time on this site, so why debate this issue? There will always be mongerers who practically fall in love with providers and ones that will treat them like dirt. Mongerers who feel sorry for them, and those who don't. I don't see an end to this.

Can't we all just get along...
and agree that paying these chicks to make us ejaculate is just awesome?
Primal Needs

[QUOTE=Member #2650]Come on fellas. Don't create the dramas of underworld gang leaders bringing these girls to America against their wills and other indentured servitude BS like that. They know what they are doing...

2650[/QUOTE]

Certainly many of them do go into this business by choice, and many of the older provider have decided to stay in it. There are also those who are tricked into the business by being promised jobs abroad. It is not a
black or white picture. I think the following article demonstrates both points:

[url]http://www.asianpacificpost.com/portal2/402881910674ebab010674f56f1b1bf3.do.html[/url]

In Honolulu my impression is that most girls are here voluntarily, but that does not necessarily mean that all of them make tons of money.

My main point was simply: Treat the girls nicely, but don't overpay ...

I blame all the past reports on Sdrom, he has become the drama king of this thread. Hehe, J/K Sdrom!

pro·vid·er /prəˈvaɪdər/ [pruh-vahy-der] –noun
1. a person or thing that provides.
2. a person who supports a family or another person.

***From dictionary.com

I look at the women this way; they PROVIDE. They are PROVID-ERS. I pay them money. They PROVIDE me a service. I dont need the BS, drama, bitching, moaning, complaining, like a GF or WIFE. I have no remorse nor regrets doing what I do, except sometimes if I wanna buy something, I think damn- all that money I spent-- (and my past year's worth of reports pales in comparison to the other OGs' stories!)

If I sound like a cold hearted bastard, then so be it. Thats your opinion. I know Im a nice guy. Its a fuckin job. Let them do their job. Nothing wrong with giving gifts to show your appreciation, but thats not my cup of tea.

Anyways, lets all get back to giving good (or bad) reports about Hawaii's MPs!

Hinode :D

Lex, my small words of praise are more than well deserved by you. I remember reading your posts from when I first started when there was no USASG, only the WSG. I think when I first made Senior, your post count was around what mine is now!

I've only mongered here and in Nevada but from what I've seen on the mainland, we do live in a mongerer's paradise, though the shimmer has faded somewhat since around 98. I think the constant is that I feel so much safer in Hawaii. Other places I have read about and when cruising for SW's in Las Vegas make me really feel the need to bring some backup. Here I feel my greatest worry is poor service with a more remote chance of being ripped off. Up on the mainland I feel like I'm in physical danger.

What I've learned about Hawaii AMPS: Our AMPs are not highly influenced/run by gangs unlike some elsewhere in the country/internationally but there is still some influence as drugs will always be prevalent and some degree of protection is needed. Many of the younger girls run the Hawaii-Chicago-Cali-NY AMP circuit and do tend to get exploited by the house as they live at the AMPs. The house charges them for everything, food, rent, laundry, rubbers, lube, etc, etc and most usually take the aforementioned percentage of the girls tip.

If one reads the prior posts thoroughly, you will understand the points Lex, SDRom and myself were trying to make. No one is trying to flame anyone else, just trying to offer some bits of friendly warnings on what to avoid, what each has experienced, and compare notes. There will always be posers who talk out of their ass but you can tell who is making up stories based on popular media and those who actually know from experience.

[QUOTE=Lip Licker]Lex, my small words of praise are more than well deserved by you. I remember reading your posts from when I first started when there was no USASG, only the WSG. I think when I first made Senior, your post count was around what mine is now!

I've only mongered here and in Nevada but from what I've seen on the mainland, we do live in a mongerer's paradise, though the shimmer has faded somewhat since around 98. I think the constant is that I feel so much safer in Hawaii. Other places I have read about and when cruising for SW's in Las Vegas make me really feel the need to bring some backup. Here I feel my greatest worry is poor service with a more remote chance of being ripped off. Up on the mainland I feel like I'm in physical danger.

What I've learned about Hawaii AMPS: Our AMPs are not highly influenced/run by gangs unlike some elsewhere in the country/internationally but there is still some influence as drugs will always be prevalent and some degree of protection is needed. Many of the younger girls run the Hawaii-Chicago-Cali-NY AMP circuit and do tend to get exploited by the house as they live at the AMPs. The house charges them for everything, food, rent, laundry, rubbers, lube, etc, etc and most usually take the aforementioned percentage of the girls tip.

If one reads the prior posts thoroughly, you will understand the points Lex, SDRom and myself were trying to make. No one is trying to flame anyone else, just trying to offer some bits of friendly warnings on what to avoid, what each has experienced, and compare notes. There will always be posers who talk out of their ass but you can tell who is making up stories based on popular media and those who actually know from experience.[/QUOTE]

You need to expand your mongering experiences outside this country to truly partake in all the pleasures of this hobby then you will be able to provide a global take on this hobby. Vegas and Hawaii do not do justice in comparison to what other countries and u.s. territories offer.

[QUOTE=Hinode]I dont need the BS, drama, bitching, moaning, complaining, like a GF or WIFE. [/QUOTE]

What? You don't want the "GFE" everyone's always looking for? ;)

I agree with you, AND with Lex, AND with 2650 believe it or not. There's some merit to everything that's been said here.

Monger on dudes!

CA

P.S. Hinode, yours are some of the most entertaining posts on this board. Keep up the good work, my brother!

[QUOTE=LexLuther]

Only in this case, the woman is doing it in exchange for your money. Some would argue that your girlfriend does the same thing, only for what amounts (in the long run) to a hell of a lot more money. With the massage girl, you know exactly what the act is costing.[/QUOTE]
Good point. In addition to the monetary costs of supposedly "free" sex with a girlfriend, guys may also be paying for that "free" sex with their time and a loss of their freedom.

[QUOTE=Lip Licker]The house charges them for everything, food, rent, laundry, rubbers, lube, etc, etc and most usually take the aforementioned percentage of the girls tip.[/QUOTE]That's called the real world. So when you go to the market to buy food, supplies, rubbers, etc... you get them for free? Nothing is for free. Do you get your rent/mortgage for free. Does someone do your laundry for free?

[QUOTE=LexLuther]I've known a lot of these girls. In theory, they could make as much as you say. But I know they don't really make that much. First of all, they don't get to keep all of the tip. They must hand over 33% to 50% of it to the house. They also pay a certain amount per day for the food which the house provides. This varies but is usually about $25.00 per day. They also have to kick in a contribution for the "kitchen mama" who prepares the food, approximately another $25.00 per day. In case you were not aware, most of the time the girls live in the spa where they work.

LexLuther[/QUOTE]So when someone asks you how much you make, do you subtract all your living expenses, then give them the difference?

Example:
$100,000 make from work
- $60,000 live exp.
= $40,000 how much you make?

Don't get me wrong, you guys are way more experienced than I'am, I bow down to you guys. I also give props to these ladies and do respect them for the awesome services that they provide. But sob sob stories, everyone got them. If you feel sorry for them, that's your perogative, just take it with a grain of salt, because they do make "substantial" amounts of money.

One provider I used to see regularly told me once that she paid the house around $70-90/wk for food, etc. (can't recall the exact $ but it was in that ball park). She didn't live there and it didn't seem that she shared her tip with anyone. In fact I used to give her $1.5 and she would regularly hand back .1. I would give it back to her to and tell her to buy mama lunch. Unfortunately she has since left the business although I think she was working a good 10 yrs before her "retirement"

Dan H.,

Well I don't subtract my living expenses. However if my employer made me live in the place I work, and if he made me be there twenty four hours per day, and if he decided who my roommates would be, then I would.

As it is, I own a house, in which I'm constantly gaining equity. I'm free to bring in anyone to live with me whom I choose. When I finish work, after eight hours, I go home and do what I want with whomever I want. So it's different than a spa girl who must live at the spa, must eat what is provided and must pay for it.

Also, no one tells me what to wear to work. If they did, that would count as a uniform. Then either the employer would have to pay for it or it would be a tax deduction, assuming I were performing legal work.

All I'm saying is that I know for a fact that few if any girls make the $200,00.00 per year that someone stated they make. I agree and so stated that, given their skills and experience, they make good money. But considering what they do, it's money well earned.

I thank all of you who have responded in the open and through PM's. But for me, I've had enough of this for now. Perhaps we can revisit it later. I do feel sorry for those few of you who have no compassion for any of these girls. You must live sorry lives indeed.

LexLuther

[QUOTE=Bobby Gunn]You need to expand your mongering experiences outside this country to truly partake in all the pleasures of this hobby then you will be able to provide a global take on this hobby. Vegas and Hawaii do not do justice in comparison to what other countries and u.s. territories offer.[/QUOTE]Just got the word that 2 other buddies and I are "all go" for China, on July 14.

Check out the ISG thread:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1628[/url]

It will be my 5th trip there and I must say I still get excited.

Well, after an eternity of time/money problems, and her "retiring" twice and changing AMPS at least 3 times, I finally managed to catch up with Bonnie recently. For you old-timers here, there's not much I can say about her that hasn't already been said many times. For mongers new to the board, do a search on Bonnie and you'll find lots of reports from when she was at China Spa, then King, and now Champion.

Based on past reports, I think I can safely claim that I got the full "Bonnie Experience" and on my first visit to her no less! I got the enthusiastic "rim job" that she's so famous for. Next was a BBBJ, followed by a lengthy session of 69. We finished with BBFSCIP. I will most definitely repeat as often as my wallet will allow!

There were a few comments about her a year or so ago from some mongers who said that Bonnie used to be good in the old days, but had developed an attitude and seemed to be all about the money. I'd just like to say that my experience was totally opposite! When I saw her she was a total sweetheart! During our session, things didn't go as smoothly as they should've, through no fault of hers. As a few of you that I've talked to know, I suffer from the "over 40 trifecta" of Type II diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol. Between those conditions and the meds they have me on to control them, I have frequent problems with the dreaded "E.D."

Well, during my session with Bonnie, it was the worst I think it's ever been! I'd intended to take one of those magic blue pills before I left the house, but I totally forgot. So, despite Bonnie's excellent skills, and great efforts at concentration on my part, things just didn't seem to be happening. It was a middle-aged monger's worst nightmare! But, Bonnie was extremely patient, sympathetic, and determined that I leave as a fully satisfied customer. We used up the full hour and probably went over a little. At no time did she watch the clock or make any effort to rush me. Ultimately, we managed to get things to work well enough for a brief session of mish with completion.

Also, we never had any discussion of money whatsoever. I'm sure that if I'd tried to walk out without tipping, then she'd have said something, but I'd never do that. I handed her $.5 just before we left the room and she never even counted it. At least, not until after I left! ;)

As always, YMMV depending on day, time, your mood, her mood, the weather, the phase of the moon, your brand of deodorant, your breath, etc., etc. Bottom line: she was wonderful with me, I treated her well, and I intend to repeat soon...WITH the magic pills next time!

Monger on dudes!

CA

Candy Addict,

I once visited a place in Century Center which seemed to be run by a woman named Bonnie. She was tall for a Korean. As it turned out, she was actually Korean/Chinese. She was probably in her mid to late forties. Could this be the one you mention?

LexLuther

[QUOTE=Hinode]I blame all the past reports on Sdrom, he has become the drama king of this thread. Hehe, J/K Sdrom!

Hinode :D[/QUOTE]Glad to see my HS thespian experience is being finally reconized. : the

Also, my. Suggestions. Are not rules, (just making sure everyone knows that.) They are little things I do that really stretch the Miles I get. Everyone has their own habits as well as attitudes.

But being that I'm getting on in the years. Perhaps I need to consider the little blue pills myself. : (