"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Brothers,

I have not been very successful in finding a decent long term SB by offering gifts / allowance so I have been thinking of getting an apartment in my name and offer it to women in exchange for their company / favors with the understanding that she can move out whenever she is no longer interested in continuing the arrangement. Of course asking her to leave may not be so easy which means I have to be sure of getting someone who I can be with long term. Living with her is not an option due to SO and family!

I realize that SA and similar sites will not be the right place to find such women. So where do I look for women searching for a place? CL, Roomster do colleges have their own forums for such postings?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3723747]Brothers,

I have not been very successful in finding a decent long term SB by offering gifts / allowance so I have been thinking of getting an apartment in my name and offer it to women in exchange for their company / favors with the understanding that she can move out whenever she is no longer interested in continuing the arrangement. Of course asking her to leave may not be so easy which means I have to be sure of getting someone who I can be with long term. Living with her is not an option due to SO and family!

I realize that SA and similar sites will not be the right place to find such women. So where do I look for women searching for a place? CL, Roomster do colleges have their own forums for such postings?[/QUOTE]Hmm, something suggests you haven't thought this through. An important element of bowl arrangements is distance / deniability / anonymity. If she is living in an apartment you rent, there is no way she will not know way too much about you. Do you really want her threatening to call your wife if you try to kick her out, or just do anything else that displeases a woman?

So you give up your identity (she will find out sooner than later), with the possibility of having to evict her? And you have an SO with family? You are clearly out of your mind. The potential for complications and her blackmailing you is simply too high.

Take a step back and re-evaluate what you're doing here. And yeah, SA is all platonic and GPS now so deal with it.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3723747]Brothers,

I have not been very successful in finding a decent long term SB by offering gifts / allowance so I have been thinking of getting an apartment in my name and offer it to women in exchange for their company / favors with the understanding that she can move out whenever she is no longer interested in continuing the arrangement. Of course asking her to leave may not be so easy which means I have to be sure of getting someone who I can be with long term. Living with her is not an option due to SO and family!

I realize that SA and similar sites will not be the right place to find such women. So where do I look for women searching for a place? CL, Roomster do colleges have their own forums for such postings?[/QUOTE]

I wrote to them and complained about the $90 a month cost, basically they could give a s**t. So I'm walking away. I'm not a cheapskate and have plenty of funds to put into the hobby, but it's the principle of ripping people off. Generally the site is not worth all the trouble you go to in order to meet POTs. Maybe it works for younger guys (30's to 40's) but for older SD's it's slim pickings. Lots of escorts have moved to SA and I don't mess with the under 25 crowd for various reasons. Doesn't leave much. Maybe in Richmond it works better and is worth the money but smaller cities and out in the boonies it's rough.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3721555]Dude is IMHO as greedy and he is savvy. I am sure he realizes that BP got hammered by LE and is now cr at p and other sites have followed that lead (pics & numbers only) as to avoid troubles of their own (or maybe they got hammered too? Thus the number of places where one can look up p*ssy for dating has shrunk, so with his "insulated" site, he thinks he can charge more and get away with it. Lots of guys us SA as a one-off hook up site and not for LT arrangements. Only way to stop that is to quit paying en-mass. THAT or he recognizes that it won't be long before LE and AGs go after his business and he needs to get as much money stick piled before his wings get clipped.

There is always SD4 Me. LOL. But the point is perhaps it is time to find and develop other sites rather than Wade's?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;3723862]I wrote to them and complained about the $90 a month cost, basically they could give a s**t. So I'm walking away. I'm not a cheapskate and have plenty of funds to put into the hobby, but it's the principle of ripping people off. Generally the site is not worth all the trouble you go to in order to meet POTs. Maybe it works for younger guys (30's to 40's) but for older SD's it's slim pickings. Lots of escorts have moved to SA and I don't mess with the under 25 crowd for various reasons. Doesn't leave much. Maybe in Richmond it works better and is worth the money but smaller cities and out in the boonies it's rough.[/QUOTE]I can believe that SA might not be worth it away from urban centers. I am in southern California and there is continuous population just about from the border to Santa Barbara. Probably 25 million people. If you limit yourself to 25 YO though, you are going to have trouble. It is faulty to think if you are 60 you can't score w / a low 20's girl, even teens. I have succeeded multiple times w / girls who are 1/3 my age. Just keep in mind that this Richmond thread is the de facto national thread for sugar bowl activities, what people report is about their local experience, and there may be a *lot* of variation out there. If you need to know the best way to find SBs in your area, go to that area's thread.

What's up brothers? Greetings from Atlanta. Relatively new to the bowl but have had great success so far and enjoying the journey.

Figured I would reach out to the senior forum on all things SD / SB for a little insight. How do you guys handle Valentine's Day? Obviously you can't spend time with your entire harem. And spending any time if you have a SO is unlikely. So what do you do to compensate? If anything? Will your SBs expect anything from your experience. I know Amazon offers egift cards that are sent instantly via text or email (make sure you use a burner amazon account, please). Just wanted to know your tips and tricks for handling this "holiday" . Obviously you could easily be out $$$ if you're too generous to the entire flock. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3721555]Dude is IMHO as greedy and he is savvy. I am sure he realizes that BP got hammered by LE and is now cr at p and other sites have followed that lead (pics & numbers only) as to avoid troubles of their own (or maybe they got hammered too? Thus the number of places where one can look up p*ssy for dating has shrunk, so with his "insulated" site, he thinks he can charge more and get away with it. Lots of guys us SA as a one-off hook up site and not for LT arrangements. Only way to stop that is to quit paying en-mass. THAT or he recognizes that it won't be long before LE and AGs go after his business and he needs to get as much money stick piled before his wings get clipped.

There is always SD4 Me. LOL. But the point is perhaps it is time to find and develop other sites rather than Wade's?[/QUOTE]In my humble opinion it was a stretch under the constitution and first amendment rights to shut down BP. I did not agree with it and thus far, neither have the courts. That said, if we have LE and AG targeting the sugar baby thing, then we truly no longer live in a free country and live in a country that applies and makes up laws as we go. I don't care that it is distasteful to the bible belt mentality in America, it is an adults free choice to play sexually and to connect with whom they like. If 20-something young women enjoy the company of older men, who's fucking business is it. Yes, prostitution is illegal, but even that is such a grey area of the law, I see no way they can apply it mass coverage by simply shutting down swag dating and websites that cater to it.

I agree that for the average judgmental fuck out there, sugar dating looks hideous. But so does half the other shit we do anymore in this country. We either are free or we are not. They will just shove a couple bad examples in the medias face and then the masses will accept more of their rights being taken. Voices silenced and free will controlled. When in reality, you can use these uncommon and extreme examples with just about anything.

In my opinion, the great thing about being a SD is the liberation from having to observe Valentine's Day, Birthdays, Christmas, and all the others. I am NOT their "boyfriend". I don't feel obligated to a SB beyond any usual allowance or pay-per-meet arrangement. Same reason that I don't do sleep-overs, at their place, or mine. Otherwise you are getting on the slippery slope to having a committed relationship, and once the girl gets to thinking she's "entitled" to all these extra benefits, then you're screwed. Anyway, a lot of these girls are juggling more than one SD or have a regular boyfriend / spouse that they are cheating on with you. So you need to be the "bad ass" and just ignore all this crap. I haven't had to observe Valentine's Day for 15 years, and I'm still getting plenty of sex. That's my story, though I respect others that may disagree.

[QUOTE=Ripvan12;3724054]What's up brothers? Greetings from Atlanta. Relatively new to the bowl but have had great success so far and enjoying the journey.

Figured I would reach out to the senior forum on all things SD / SB for a little insight. How do you guys handle Valentine's Day? Obviously you can't spend time with your entire harem. And spending any time if you have a SO is unlikely. So what do you do to compensate? If anything? Will your SBs expect anything from your experience. I know Amazon offers egift cards that are sent instantly via text or email (make sure you use a burner amazon account, please). Just wanted to know your tips and tricks for handling this "holiday" . Obviously you could easily be out $$$ if you're too generous to the entire flock. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Appreciate the additional info. I am in rural western Virginia, and pickings are slim, so right now SA is just not worth the cost. That being said, virtually all the other SD sites are complete wastes of time. I can list those that I have looked at or tried if anyone is interested. There also are some "review" sites out there but many are simply hidden commercials for one or another of the SD sites. As you suggested, being an older SD I don't necessarily pass over the 18-25 age group, it just takes a bit of work. There are a lot of broke college girls. If you get one that is near graduating, then they will be leaving the area most likely. Which can be either a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3723945]I can believe that SA might not be worth it away from urban centers. I am in southern California and there is continuous population just about from the border to Santa Barbara. Probably 25 million people. If you limit yourself to 25 YO though, you are going to have trouble. It is faulty to think if you are 60 you can't score w / a low 20's girl, even teens. I have succeeded multiple times w / girls who are 1/3 my age. Just keep in mind that this Richmond thread is the de facto national thread for sugar bowl activities, what people report is about their local experience, and there may be a *lot* of variation out there. If you need to know the best way to find SBs in your area, go to that area's thread.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3721814]Traveling is an example, but the type of travel they would consider spoiling is taking her somewhere she specifically wants to go as opposed to traveling somewhere you were already headed anyway (i.e. special trip for her entertainment).

Other common examples are taking her shopping, suffering through a movie you didn't want to see but she did, taking her on some activity that she's always wanted to do but never had the chance. I rarely actually do anything like this, I'm just saying this is what many of them consider being spoiled. Basically anything that you don't really want to do, and probably 99% of other men don't, but she does. Just think of things a father would do for his daughter on her birthday, anything that fills in the blank there would be an example.

Then there is the method of making them feel special through words and every day actions. This is just a learned skill. It's a fine balancing act that involves never relinquishing your dominance, while making her feel she is extraordinarily special. Just think of how a good father would act with his daughter -- she can't make the rules, and she can't act up without discipline, and he is in charge of everything but she receives his constant adoration. That's what most of the ones I meet are looking for, the strong but adoring dad they never had.

That last paragraph is where my specialty is. I don't take them on expensive trips or to ballgames or concerts or anything like that.[/QUOTE]Travelling is only possible if you are willing to divulge your true identity. Hotel registrations and boarding passes make your information easy for her to find out, if not mandatorily divulged.

I can only go out to dinner when I travel and any public outings on my home turf just don't fit my lifestyle (married and live in small town. The personlized license plates my wife got me for my birthday a few years back don't help either).

I ask them what they dream of in terms of being spoiled -- the best gifts are something deeply desired that they can't afford or won't every treat themselves too. You'd be surprised at what they select. A $40 purse when I was expecting a $200 one. I ask them to fill out a wishlist on amazon of practical things (clothes, make up, household goods) and fun things (lingerie, toys, etc). Instead of taking them shopping -- time sink -- I just pick something off their list after I bang them and they get the instant gratification of the Amazon notificatioin email.

Sometimes I'll buy it and have it shipped to my office and give to her in person when we meet. One gal picked out some boots and shoes, anyone of which was around $200. I googled them and got after Christmas sales of more than 1/2 price. Since she would never buy them she had no idea I got them so cheap and she all but put them on and rode my face when I gave her the first pair. She thinks she got $400 with of shoes and fucked me all night like she did -- only cost me $200.

Also, beauty products are a HUGE hit. Its amazing how much women spend on this crap -- and most struggling SBs just get the cheap stuff from Ulta or CVS. They would never spend $20 on a single lipstick, but I must say, if you do the feeling of those $20 lips on your cock will blow your mind. The gals at the beauty stores know just what to get her -- just show them a picture or describer her hair and eye color and skin tone and they will get exactly the right thing. Makes you "sensitive" to know what a woman wants.

Gift certificates are also great for other spoiling -- and I don't mean the store kind. Charity auctions are great places to pick up hotel stays and meals on the cheap. In my case, hotels and restuarants are my clients, so we do trades sometimes. SB has a birthday coming up -- I give her dinner for two at a nice restaurant so she can go out with her bestie. I can't travel with them, but can't tell you how many SB's I've given a two night stay in DC or NYC to (cash cost $0) in exchange for a multi night fuck fest. So many want to experrience things they can't afford at this point in their lives. Plus they love showing off to their bestie whom they take with them.

Sorry if this has been talked about before but just sharing. I don't have a paid membership to SA and not sure I will considering they jacked up the price again. While browsing I got this pop up. Has anyone else seen this? Sorry for the poor picture but it asks you to check boxes and one of them says that you recognize that this is not an escort site LOL.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3725446]Sorry if this has been talked about before but just sharing. I don't have a paid membership to SA and not sure I will considering they jacked up the price again. While browsing I got this pop up. Has anyone else seen this? Sorry for the poor picture but it asks you to check boxes and one of them says that you recognize that this is not an escort site LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, it has been talked about on this thread in the last month. In light of what has happened to BP and similar sites, it appears to be an attempt by Wade to insulate his cash cow from similar "attention" or actions from AGs.

Even though escort adverts are ubiquitous across the web, prostitution is still illegal in all 50 states, except select counties in NV. (and one of them is NOT where Las Vegas is located!) Don't confuse what is popular with what is legal.

No actually it's a side to make fast cash if you ask to this hos if you want to meet someone go to the dance club or some another public place I paid membership I got non just a bouch of old pics from ladies of Brazil and west euro plus this side keep profile pic after you cancel specially hos pics but no everything was bad I have some one that was asking for 3 benjamins just for meet and making clear it was cash fuckk stupid ho what kind of ho take checks?

[QUOTE=TheMarto1;3726421]No actually it's a side to make fast cash if you ask to this hos if you want to meet someone go to the dance club or some another public place I paid membership I got non just a bouch of old pics from ladies of Brazil and west euro plus this side keep profile pic after you cancel specially hos pics but no everything was bad I have some one that was asking for 3 benjamins just for meet and making clear it was cash fuckk stupid ho what kind of ho take checks?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what the problem is but I find SA very productive. I've done the pros all over the world, have been working CL for probably 8 years. They changed the posting rules so it sucks now, or I don't want to research how to get around it. But SA has been the most bang for the buck. In about a week or so I had a three girl rotation going with a shitload wanting to meet. Most have averaged out at $$$ or less. The Latina I'm playing with now is probably more than I should be spending but she's adorable and has a banging body. I mean shit, I'm 60 and banging a 19 year old Latina. Win! I'm just not understanding guys that say they are having a hard time on SA. It's not rocket science.

Think psychology.

Perhaps if you tried using proper grammar you'd get a better response.

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