[QUOTE=ThirdTimes;6665979]Anyone been to this place lately? I was in the area for work last year and stopped by here. It's on the second floor by Dunkin.[/QUOTE]Went few weeks ago. Got a 5/10 lady with a funny raspy voice. Standard finish. W.
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[QUOTE=ThirdTimes;6665979]Anyone been to this place lately? I was in the area for work last year and stopped by here. It's on the second floor by Dunkin.[/QUOTE]Went few weeks ago. Got a 5/10 lady with a funny raspy voice. Standard finish. W.
This was one of my favorites. They didn't do FS, but CBJ or usual HE is fine with me. The massages are good, girls are decent, and the teasing is not bad. However, off late their prices are through the roof! HJ for 100 miminum. Last week one asked me for 200 for just a nude HJ. GTFO with that. You get FS in many places for much lesser money. LOL.
Hey all, first time long time. Tranq in Wey has been one my faves but it's a hike. Anything similar North of the city? Hot girls just looking to have fun.
Been around a little bit, but prefer to share in DMs if you want to swap info.
[QUOTE=Rupert2;6666919]Over 200 if you want daty.
Oral is their thing.
No FS.[/QUOTE]Yikes. That's high end my friend. Wow.
[QUOTE=Delmong;6667356]This was one of my favorites. They didn't do FS, but CBJ or usual HE is fine with me. The massages are good, girls are decent, and the teasing is not bad. However, off late their prices are through the roof! HJ for 100 miminum. Last week one asked me for 200 for just a nude HJ. GTFO with that. You get FS in many places for much lesser money. LOL.[/QUOTE]How recently have you been there? An earlier post said this place was closed, unless I'm mixing up Bedford AMPs.
Edit: never mind, according to rubmaps it’s Xin spa at 49 Great Rd that closed
Will stay near the market place in this weekend. Any suggestion going BBBJ / cim spot (s) near China town?
Been driving by this place on my way home from work. Decided to stop in. Place looks very clean. Girl behind desk was beautiful. Asked for half hour. Rooms are big and the table is super comfortable. She doesn't speak much English but she made up for it with a great massage and ending. Will definitely be going back for more with her. There are metered parking right out front of a parking lot just down the street. I was lucky enough to score a spot right out front. One dollar in coins gets you plenty of time. They have an APP for using your CC but I don't want any record of my parking habits.
I was on Newbury St. in Boston the other day and noticed a lot of AMPs on the second floor throughout the street.
There must have been at least 4 or 5 of them with "Open" signs in the evening.
Anyone try some of these?
[QUOTE=Bishop8891;6669557]Been driving by this place on my way home from work. Decided to stop in. Place looks very clean. Girl behind desk was beautiful. Asked for half hour. Rooms are big and the table is super comfortable. She doesn't speak much English but she made up for it with a great massage and ending. Will definitely be going back for more with her. There are metered parking right out front of a parking lot just down the street. I was lucky enough to score a spot right out front. One dollar in coins gets you plenty of time. They have an APP for using your CC but I don't want any record of my parking habits.[/QUOTE]There are many spas in Newtonville. Most, but not all, are on Washington street. From the 'desk' comment I think you're talking about the one at 709, but you need to be more specific if you want us to know which one you mean.
[QUOTE=HomerSpinSome;6670165]There are many spas in Newtonville. Most, but not all, are on Washington street. From the 'desk' comment I think you're talking about the one at 709, but you need to be more specific if you want us to know which one you mean.[/QUOTE]Only one in Newtonville that I know of. 709 is correct.
Levy said customers could access the illicit services through two websites, and they had to first complete a survey to verify their credentials and provide information including their drivers license photos, employers' names, and credit card information and often paid a monthly fee to remain part of the network.
That is why you are really dumb to give your information to anyone.
[QUOTE=ThirdTimes;6665979]Anyone been to this place lately? I was in the area for work last year and stopped by here. It's on the second floor by Dunkin.[/QUOTE]Not sure if they're still open, website is down and open sign is no longer on. Any information as well as details would be appreciated. Thanks.
[QUOTE=HomerSpinSome;6670165]There are many spas in Newtonville. Most, but not all, are on Washington street. From the 'desk' comment I think you're talking about the one at 709, but you need to be more specific if you want us to know which one you mean.[/QUOTE]"The Newtonville Spa" which I mentioned is at 709. The name is so generic that it's easy to get confused.
"More specifically, once the information is verified, the sex.
Customer receives a text message from phone numbers associated with the brothels. In the.
Alternative, clients also can be verified through their "TerID" or through "Preferred 411. " Based.
On my training and experience, I am aware that "TerID" refers to an identification assigned to.
Commercial sex workers and to VIP members of a website titled www.TheEroticRview.com.
Which provides clients with, among other things, access to reviews and lists of and allow searches.
For commercial sex workers. Likewise, I am aware that "Preferred 411" refers to a website titled.
www.prefered411.com ".
"Investigators have already identified several of the alleged customers through surveillance, phone records, and interviews, Levy said. ".
Above are two direct quotes, seems like the identified parties are from surveilance, phone calls and actually talking to people.
If any of my AMPs get shut down I'll riot in the street.
[QUOTE=MBeamg;6671119]"More specifically, once the information is verified, the sex. Customer receives a text message from phone numbers associated with the brothels.[/QUOTE]I hope that the money those gents were spending on BTT doesn't find its way to average AMPs and raise overall prices for the rest of us!
Fly.
[QUOTE=Katokay;6670244]Levy said customers could access the illicit services through two websites, and they had to first complete a survey to verify their credentials and provide information including their drivers license photos, employers' names, and credit card information and often paid a monthly fee to remain part of the network.
That is why you are really dumb to give your information to anyone.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. I cannot understand how anyone, let alone someone like a politician, CEO, doctor, lawyer, etc, would give out identifying information like drivers license, credit card information, etc. You would think they would be intelligent enough to understand how it could come back to haunt them. I have a burner Tracfone, burner email account, use a fake name, and I am still cautious about who I see and where I go. I would never give out personal info, let alone a picture I'd or financial info that can be traced back. I don't even like to park in front of an establishment unless there are other businesses nearby that use the same lot. In this day and age privacy is the number one priority.
[QUOTE=MBeamg;6671119]"More specifically, once the information is verified, the sex.
Customer receives a text message from phone numbers associated with the brothels. In the.
Alternative, clients also can be verified through their "TerID" or through "Preferred 411. " Based.
On my training and experience, I am aware that "TerID" refers to an identification assigned to.
Commercial sex workers and to VIP members of a website titled www.TheEroticRview.com.
Which provides clients with, among other things, access to reviews and lists of and allow searches.
For commercial sex workers. Likewise, I am aware that "Preferred 411" refers to a website titled.
www.prefered411.com ".
"Investigators have already identified several of the alleged customers through surveillance, phone records, and interviews, Levy said.[/QUOTE]Seems these pre screening systems do not do what they advise and only act as filing cabinet to be grabbed by uncle.
[URL]https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/usa_v._han_lee_et_al_-_complaint_affidavit_redacted.pdf[/URL]
Everyone should read this, at least the first half. It shows how much info the feds can get with search warrants when they want it. Cell phone tracking, bank accounts, onsite surveillance, lease agreements. They were working this at least back to 2022 to gather a bunch of hard evidence. The methods used by the feds is not just about the local bust, but good to know info for everyone.
Time will tell if any customers get outed by the locals or the press or a whistleblower looking to make some $$.
It seems obvious that asking for personal info is not really about safety. We don't here too much about robberies, assaults at these places or even AMPs. Just an occasional SW with a pimp.
[QUOTE=Flyguy1980;6671203]I hope that the money those gents were spending on BTT doesn't find its way to average AMPs and raise overall prices for the rest of us!
Fly.[/QUOTE]So the BTT guys are sweating about getting outed in public and possibly losing jobs, families etc. and you are worried that your next HJ may cost more?
I am filing this one in the " Out of touch" folder.
[QUOTE=HappyDave;6671513]Seems these pre screening systems do not do what they advise and only act as filing cabinet to be grabbed by uncle.[/QUOTE]Why do you say this?
The criminal complaint says that someone ratted out the operation -- an Asian woman.
The only thing the pre screening process could do is screen out LE. I've not read any evidence of LE agents getting in to see the girls -- but maybe I missed that?
And no amount of pre screening will screen out gents who under the right circumstances would talk to LE if confronted.
A bunch of red flags here at least for me. The write up by the special agent included cooperation between Watertown PD and the feds. Yikes. There were several mongers who provided intel to LE. That must have been horrible. Can't imagine going through that. They caught the MPs transferring girls between NYC and Boston (so many MA AMPs do this weekly it's so obvious). Tangential crimes related to money laundering, drugs, gambling coming. Many have seen this if you monger frequently. Not saying I've had first hand experiences but I've been told.
From the news: "On Thursday, one day after three people were arrested on federal charges for allegedly operating a ring that catered to a wealthy and well-connected clientele, authorities would not rule out either federal or state charges against hundreds of men who bought sex. " Damn. Maybe some more shoes drop soon.
Thank goodness I never use my real name or phone or email.
[QUOTE=LarryJay;6672264][URL]https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-11/usa_v._han_lee_et_al_-_complaint_affidavit_redacted.pdf[/URL]
Everyone should read this, at least the first half. It shows how much info the feds can get with search warrants when they want it. Cell phone tracking, bank accounts, onsite surveillance, lease agreements. They were working this at least back to 2022 to gather a bunch of hard evidence. The methods used by the feds is not just about the local bust, but good to know info for everyone.
Time will tell if any customers get outed by the locals or the press or a whistleblower looking to make some $$.
It seems obvious that asking for personal info is not really about safety. We don't here too much about robberies, assaults at these places or even AMPs. Just an occasional SW with a pimp.[/QUOTE]The verification process was for no one's safety. Government issues I'd so that can make there own to say anything. I know one of the girls was stationed very close to two popular AMPs in Watertown. Strange how the cops went after a visually from the street UTR operation that by web site standards was very visible. But avoided store front brothels. Sometimes I think one operation just rats out competition just to thin things.
Relatively new to the page, not new to the AMP's. Looking to find another AMP in the area besides blue in Danvers. CBJ doesn't do it for me. Trying to try some new spots.
[QUOTE=PaulRew;6672288]So the BTT guys are sweating about getting outed in public and possibly losing jobs, families etc. and you are worried that your next HJ may cost more?
I am filing this one in the " Out of touch" folder.[/QUOTE]Paul. Apologies if my wording was too insensitive. First my experience in this forum pales in comparison with yours, second I've always tried to add direct value versus engaging in unnecessary back and forth, third provider prices keep going up (including all options), fourth most of us don't have the means like the mongers on BTT, tryst, Eros and similar sites (I wish I did but unfortunately don't make that much money) and therefore would like myself and others to hold the line on prices (including all options) if BTT-type mongers and others start to shift their interests elsewhere. This in no way whatsoever means that I don't feel bad for the registered BTT monger database that may be at risk for future prosecution (and subsequent family and employment consequences) if they've provided personally sensitive information.
Fly.
[QUOTE=Flyguy1980;6673019]Paul. Apologies if my wording was too insensitive. First my experience in this forum pales in comparison with yours, second I've always tried to add direct value versus engaging in unnecessary back and forth, third provider prices keep going up (including all options), fourth most of us don't have the means like the mongers on BTT, tryst, Eros and similar sites (I wish I did but unfortunately don't make that much money) and therefore would like myself and others to hold the line on prices (including all options) if BTT-type mongers and others start to shift their interests elsewhere. This in no way whatsoever means that I don't feel bad for the registered BTT monger database that may be at risk for future prosecution (and subsequent family and employment consequences) if they've provided personally sensitive information.
Fly.[/QUOTE]I have a hard time feeling bad for the uber-rich mongers that clearly felt like they're untouchable. They gave personal info and paid monthly fees to stay with the agency. Shame on them and let's keep the prices from more inflation for us little guys!
[QUOTE=Mattis1775;6666374]How much are we talking? Hand magic the same rates as FS? I don't mind spending extra. But not like 200. That's Mandela's rates. LOL.[/QUOTE]Its like $100 for HE and $160 CBJ with saran wrap last I checked.
1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.
2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".
YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".
LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".
YOU:"no".
LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".
YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".
LEO "We have you on video".
YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".
Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer.
As nervous as you may be during the process, remember they have what they have on you, and you don't know what that is, so your only job right there in that uncomfortable moment is not to give them anything they can use against you. Be honest and tell them you got a nice back rub leave as quickly as possible no matter what they say or how awful you feel in the moment.
[QUOTE=Bishop8891;6669557]Been driving by this place on my way home from work. Decided to stop in. Place looks very clean. Girl behind desk was beautiful. Asked for half hour. Rooms are big and the table is super comfortable. She doesn't speak much English but she made up for it with a great massage and ending. Will definitely be going back for more with her. There are metered parking right out front of a parking lot just down the street. I was lucky enough to score a spot right out front. One dollar in coins gets you plenty of time. They have an APP for using your CC but I don't want any record of my parking habits.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip about 709 Washington St. Everything was as Bishop said. Very clean and fresh place. Easy parking. I saw Jenny for a nice massage and left relaxed. I found her quite attractive, very young and sexy. She said the place is under new management. I will definitely return.
[QUOTE=Spectator;6674206]1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.
2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".
YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".
LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".
YOU:"no".
LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".
YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".
LEO "We have you on video".
YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".
Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer..[/QUOTE]Any "generic " legal advice doesn't go that far. Say nothing except I respectfully decline to talk to you as is my right. Am I being detained or am I free to go. That's it. In some states they may be able to ask for I'd if your on foot. In every state if your operating a motor vehicle. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and if your not detained move on.
[QUOTE=Spectator;6674206]1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.
2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".
YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".
LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".
YOU:"no".
LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".
YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".
LEO "We have you on video".
YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".
Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer.
As nervous as you may be during the process, remember they have what they have on you, and you don't know what that is, so your only job right there in that uncomfortable moment is not to give them anything they can use against you. Be honest and tell them you got a nice back rub leave as quickly as possible no matter what they say or how awful you feel in the moment.[/QUOTE]Don't even engage in any type of conversation. Just say you are not discussing anything. Ask if you are free to go and if not, ask for a lawyer.
I got stopped last year in Middleton when they were in the middle of cracking down on basically all of the AMP there. When the cop came to my window, he said he was pulling me over because I had a line violation at the intersection. (BS tactic.) But after he got my license and registration, the conversation quickly turned to him seeing me pull out of one of the AMPs. As suggested, I was friendly and just kept on repeating I was there for a legitimate massage and had been doing so for years. He assured me that there was lots of illegal activity going on there, but I assured him right back that I had never seen any evidence of that. Still, I told him since he was positive of that I was not going to be going back there again. Finally, after asking the same questions over and over, and knowing he wasn't going to get anything out of me, he let me go with a verbal warning. That was the last time I stepped foot in middleton. Getting stopped like that was something I had dreaded happening for 10 years. However, I was proud of myself with how relaxed I remained and sticking to not knowing anything. Z
[QUOTE=Spectator;6674206]1. Be friendly, tell them you are running late for your next appointment or whatever. Ask if you are free to go.
2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".
YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".
LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".
YOU:"no".
LEO: "make this easier on yourself and your wife".
YOU: "Nothing to hide, got a massage, my back hurts".
LEO "We have you on video".
YOU "Call my lawyer, I'd like him to look at this alleged video".
Dont freak out, Be polite, admit nothing, don't tell long stories or tell tales. They will make all kinds of threats. At this point your wife is already likely to find out that you got a massage because your back hurts.. Telling them anything only makes it harder for your lawyer.
As nervous as you may be during the process, remember they have what they have on you, and you don't know what that is, so your only job right there in that uncomfortable moment is not to give them anything they can use against you. Be honest and tell them you got a nice back rub leave as quickly as possible no matter what they say or how awful you feel in the moment.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Zimmm33;6674431]I got stopped last year in Middleton when they were in the middle of cracking down on basically all of the AMP there. When the cop came to my window, he said he was pulling me over because I had a line violation at the intersection. (BS tactic.) But after he got my license and registration, the conversation quickly turned to him seeing me pull out of one of the AMPs. As suggested, I was friendly and just kept on repeating I was there for a legitimate massage and had been doing so for years. He assured me that there was lots of illegal activity going on there, but I assured him right back that I had never seen any evidence of that. Still, I told him since he was positive of that I was not going to be going back there again. Finally, after asking the same questions over and over, and knowing he wasn't going to get anything out of me, he let me go with a verbal warning. That was the last time I stepped foot in middleton. Getting stopped like that was something I had dreaded happening for 10 years. However, I was proud of myself with how relaxed I remained and sticking to not knowing anything. Z
[/QUOTE]Good job Z, many of these cases I read about are built at least in part on mongers ratting on themselves and the spa, just want to add a reminder that cops will lie too and imply shit like if you tell them what they want to know they'll make sure your name is left out of it, as others have said, say nothing, you can only make it worse, not better, there is nothing illegal about visiting a business, leave it that.
[QUOTE=WarEagle1996;6673885]I have a hard time feeling bad for the uber-rich mongers that clearly felt like they're untouchable. They gave personal info and paid monthly fees to stay with the agency. Shame on them and let's keep the prices from more inflation for us little guys![/QUOTE]Actually I need to avoid a flag on this one so see you on the Massholes thread.
I'm going to be in and around the Cambridge area with some time to kill. Was thinking about stopping in at foot heaven. Us. Does anyone have any encouraging information that would help me want to stop by there?
If not I'll probably just go ahead and take a hit and see what happens.
If I go I'll report back soon.
[QUOTE=Spectator;6674206]...
2. LEO: "Did you engage in sexual act? (did you get a happy ending)".
YOU:"no, I don't think this is that kind of place. ".
LEO:"so you got a blowjob for $120".
YOU:"no".
...[/QUOTE]Don't lie to the police. It's illegal to lie to the FBI, and a bad idea to lie to regular cops. If you lie, then are caught out on it, you can't walk back a lie later and be expected to be believed. You've lied once, who's to say you're not lying again? Best course of action (after asking "Am I free to go? Is to not answer questions, but say something like "I decline to answer any questions without my lawyer present". Also, for the 5th amendment to apply, you must explicitly invoke it; simply remaining silent does not invoke the protections it offers.
[QUOTE=KatSuno1492;6675009]Don't lie to the police. It's illegal to lie to the FBI, and a bad idea to lie to regular cops. If you lie, then are caught out on it, you can't walk back a lie later and be expected to be believed. You've lied once, who's to say you're not lying again? Best course of action (after asking "Am I free to go? Is to not answer questions, but say something like "I decline to answer any questions without my lawyer present". Also, for the 5th amendment to apply, you must explicitly invoke it; simply remaining silent does not invoke the protections it offers.[/QUOTE]"I got a massage, I have a sore back" is not a lie.
"did you <insert illegal act here> " . No officer, I did not do anything illegal. Am I free to go?
It is important to be prepared mentally in case these situations arise (as they did for me very recently). It is frightening in the moment and easy to start blabbing nervously.
If the police are asking you questions that seem to be trying to confirm something they don't know, don't give them anything, and don't be a jerk. Just be polite, say the truth that you got a backrub, and don't admit anything.
If they ask you to come down to the station there is only one answer "I will not answer questions without a lawyer" , this will cost you real money, but it will help you obtain, as my attorney said "The best possible outcome".
It is sad that the US has not decriminialized backrubs.
[QUOTE=HappyDave;6674282]Any "generic " legal advice doesn't go that far. Say nothing except I respectfully decline to talk to you as is my right. Am I being detained or am I free to go. That's it. In some states they may be able to ask for I'd if your on foot. In every state if your operating a motor vehicle. Otherwise keep your mouth shut and if your not detained move on.[/QUOTE]The hard part is saying any of this without sounding like a jerk, which might cause them to do stupid stuff like detain you for 24 hours (knowing you'll be released without charges), or charging you with a summons even tho they don't have a case, but then you got to get a lawyer and go to court (happened to me). The hard part of all this is saying nothing and not making them want to stick it to you. The legal process, even if they know at stage 1 they have no case, is expensive and is punishment in and of itself, which is why being nice is as important as not saying anything. The DA knows they sent him the case just to make you hire a lawyer, and will simply let you pay your attorney to prepare for trial, and then not show up. Costs you 10 grand
How much longer are we as members going to continue to spam every thread with BTT BS? There is a BTT thread isn't their?
[QUOTE=Spectator;6675278]"I got a massage, I have a sore back" is not a lie.
"did you <insert illegal act here> " . No officer, I did not do anything illegal. Am I free to go?
It is important to be prepared mentally in case these situations arise (as they did for me very recently). It is frightening in the moment and easy to start blabbing nervously.
If the police are asking you questions that seem to be trying to confirm something they don't know, don't give them anything, and don't be a jerk. Just be polite, say the truth that you got a backrub, and don't admit anything.
If they ask you to come down to the station there is only one answer "I will not answer questions without a lawyer" , this will cost you real money, but it will help you obtain, as my attorney said "The best possible outcome".
It is sad that the US has not decriminialized backrubs.[/QUOTE]That's not the greatest advice. Say nothing. All this " I just got a back rub" etc etc will just lead to more questions. Cops know how to interrogate people and lead you down a path you don't want to go.
If you're on foot in Massachusetts, you don't have to give them an I'd unless you're lawfully arrested. No matter how much they badger you, threaten you etc, you are not legally required to I'd unless you are lawfully arrested for a crime. They start asking you questions? "I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?" Keep repeating that all day.
If you're pulled over, you are required to I'd and show proof of insurance. But again, the answer to any question is " I don't answer questions". And no they will not take you to jail for refusal to I'd if your on foot.
They might also try the old "you are obstructing an investigation". You are under no obligation to help the police with ANY investigation. Obstruction is a secondary charge to a crime. You don't commit obstruction by remaining silent nor refusing to I'd if you're on foot. They may try and intimidate you by telling you they will arrest you on obstruction, but they won't. They know better. If you get a piece of shit donut operator that jerks hassling you, tell them you want a supervisor. They'll get one out there. A 3 stripe should know the law even if the dumbass who stopped you doesn't.
One last time. Tell them nothing of a back rub, etc. Repeat after me. " I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?
[QUOTE=LustyB;6675302]That's not the greatest advice. Say nothing. All this " I just got a back rub" etc etc will just lead to more questions. Cops know how to interrogate people and lead you down a path you don't want to go.
If you're on foot in Massachusetts, you don't have to give them an I'd unless you're lawfully arrested. No matter how much they badger you, threaten you etc, you are not legally required to I'd unless you are lawfully arrested for a crime. They start asking you questions? "I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?" Keep repeating that all day.
If you're pulled over, you are required to I'd and show proof of insurance. But again, the answer to any question is " I don't answer questions". And no they will not take you to jail for refusal to I'd if your on foot.
They might also try the old "you are obstructing an investigation". You are under no obligation to help the police with ANY investigation. Obstruction is a secondary charge to a crime. You don't commit obstruction by remaining silent nor refusing to I'd if you're on foot. They may try and intimidate you by telling you they will arrest you on obstruction, but they won't. They know better. If you get a piece of shit donut operator that jerks hassling you, tell them you want a supervisor. They'll get one out there. A 3 stripe should know the law even if the dumbass who stopped you doesn't.
One last time. Tell them nothing of a back rub, etc. Repeat after me. " I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?[/QUOTE]Until they show up in a marked cruiser when your wife is home to "just ask one more question".