Massage Parlor Reports

While I understand your point, it doesn't seem to have slowed things down for any other jurisdiction listed in this forum. Why should we be any different? LE already knows where the AMPs and clubs are. The escorts already advertise. The SWs are on the streets in plain sight. This debate has been held all over the forum already.

If services become less available, it's because the new law is working as intended -- the forum will make no difference. [QUOTE=Savior Faire]I think at this point the forums should become unreadable to all except members, and that no more members should be allowed. Any report with useful postitive information that can be read by anybody is just putting a bullseye on the provider or establishment. It will mean a less active, eventually dead (like us) board, but it won't be a board that gets providers in trouble and that actually leads to less available sevices.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with Vargr. This site applies to a lot of different cities, including Boston where similar laws exist. There are two differences that come to mind, we don't know how and when the law will be enforced, nor do we fully yet understand the constitutionality of certain provisions such as the reputation issue.

Jack

[QUOTE=Kenn Jack]I completely agree with Vargr. This site applies to a lot of different cities, including Boston where similar laws exist. There are two differences that come to mind, we don't know how and when the law will be enforced, nor do we fully yet understand the constitutionality of certain provisions such as the reputation issue.

Jack[/QUOTE]

Being a member of this site for at least 8 years, I have witnessed the shutdowns of many retreats. Some from loose lips on this board and some from the natural recourse of the inevitable.

We are involved in a hobby that some call "Immoral"
and are constantly trying to shut it down.

For hundreds of years "they" have been unsuccessful in their efforts and will continue to fail till the end of time.
Because Guy's have to get laid and until that changes there will always be a market.

With that said you must all decide (If you continue on) to keep your experiences to yourself, or eventually you will watch them all disappear before your eyes or drive them further underground.

I am fully aware of the purpose of this site and am truly grateful for the help I received when I needed it years back, Thank you Jackson!

But it's a double edge sword.

The more information we provide, the better it makes it for LE and the quicker they can and will clean house.

Some of the ones I miss dearly:

Hong Kong, Waterbury, CT
The Alpha Club, Hartford, CT
Teki Gardens, Norwich, CT
The Body Shop, Norwich, CT
The Club, Chicago, Ill
And on and on.

Bottom line is this sport in forever changing. Learn to adapt and move on, and think before you post publicly or risk stabbing yourself in the back.

Peace,
Hot Rodd

[QUOTE=Hot Rodd]ack, Thank you Jackson!

But it's a double edge sword.

The more information we provide, the better it makes it for LE and the quicker they can and will clean house.


Bottom line is this sport in forever changing. Learn to adapt and move on, and think before you post publicly or risk stabbing yourself in the back.

Peace,
Hot Rodd[/QUOTE]
Edited HR's post ( deleted some) for easier comprehension.
Many great points but the above are very good.

My Take:

If you are new to the game , either here or in MA, life will be hard. First off, Newbies are never welcome with open arms; now forget about it.
If you are new and not OFFERING confimable info , you will be ignored.

The bright side is that life goes on. My best guess is that much more happens via pm among trusted members, so the site and its focus lives on, just more clandestine. My last 3 encounters have been great and all UTR thanks to relationships built here.

Bottom line, Brothers keep your heads high as we will prevail!!!

Regards,

PwH

How many amps have I and we all been to and there are PD association stickers all over the welcoming window. Lily and Pleasant street for sure. If they want the amps they already know. All the stealth in the world will not stop a police department with a budget and a mandate.

Our only hope is all this new law stuff is smoke and mirrors maybe a couple of photo op busts of some lame amps for the cameras and the cops will go on to better things like drug dealers and gangsters.

This evening started out with high hopes. I made contact with Diana from Sipsap. I have been looking at those lovely pics for a while. We spoke a few times and I was to go to her place at 7:45 or whenever I got there.

She gave me the general location, Westminster St in Providence. I come up from O-ville and call for the location. She goes into a rehearsed spiel from the highway. I tell her I am not on the highway and she begins it again and I tell her again I am already on Westminster. At that point she hangs up and repeated attempts to connect were fruitless. I sent txt and that was also ignored. I even called again from my real phone and she hung up when she heard my voice. All this for a direction. I think I know her anyway from Wiggin village a couple of years ago. She was a GOOD time then. Too bad.

Anyway, now I am determined to get some action. I peruse CL and contact Coco's massage at 236 Broadway 1R. I stop over and draw this 30 something chick with so so rub skills. On the flip the fun begins. She is offering me a HJ for $100 or FS for $200. I laughed and went for my pants. Ok ok, she agrees to $100 for FS (truthfully, it was all she was worth, not to be overly rude). I give her the cash, she dashes from the room. She comes in and proceeds to give me a HJ anyway and rebuffs all attempts at FS. I am pissed and cum quickly.

I then get up and dress telling her I am pissed and will not return. Then I drop the trump card: I will report you to the police as a thief taking my money and not performing as promised. The $100 could not have come back to me quicker. I counted off $40 as the appropriate tip for a HJ and left.

Moral of the story: the law change does have its positive side also.

Personally, I could care less if both were raided. Coco deserves it and the wench is a witch anyway.

It was not a happy evening, but I did manage to get off.

“Christ, you know it ain’t easy; you know how hard it can be”.
“The way things are goin’; they’re gonna crucify me”!

These words, written by a musical genius, seem applicable to the new ‘situation’ in which we find ourselves immersed.

Doing some reading, I came across the story below of a fellow monger’s visit to a spa in Provton, CA called ‘Primo’.
Thought this may be a good read for some of you.
I’m changing the names ‘to protect the innocent’.
Let’s call him ‘Jhon’ and her ‘Kelly’.
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Went to Primo (above Starbucks) last Sunday after SNF; arrived at about 1:45am.
Didn’t use elevator; walked upstairs.
Met a couple mongers coming down and upon opening outer door, found 2 more (drinking water) sitting outside inner door (first time meeting/sitting with like-mindeds).
Talked a bit about the sport and other spas.
They go in first, then after about 5 mins Anna opens the door, sees me; “Hi Jhon’ and a big hug follows.
Taken back to room X and asked how was biz; told "slow".
A few moments later, in she walks.
Tall girl with Asian-looking, Jessica Parker type face, full B’s on a thin, nicely shaped bod (I’d guess about 45 Kilos).
“Hi honey; I’m Kelly” followed by kiss/hug and gift given (expected Primo donation).
Told her I was shower-fresh when asked and she says ‘be right back’.
Disrobe and assume the position.

Not too much later Kelly returns, grabs some oil and climbs on.
Very liberal with the lube during rubdown (just a pressing/smoothing of back/arms/legs; poor quality rub at best).
Question asked/answered has her leaving again.

Her return brings about a loss of her ‘apparel’ and 2 second mammary massage.
A requested turn has me looking at her ‘mouthing’ jimmyhat.
Lack of any ‘closeness’ has me not-a-bit at bat.
So she goes in and a few minutes later, ‘he and I’ are now ready to swing.
Succinct, frosty “NO” was the answer to all ‘pregame’ questions asked.
Many 'chilly' pos later, I get to destination and immediately it ‘warms up’.
Nice cleanup in shower (surprising).

While looks were promising, skills were lacking.
Again, this is EOD and YMMV.
No repeat with Kelly for me.
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Seems the dreaded ‘mechanical encounter’ happens everywhere, no matter the establishments rep.

J

I've been around the hobby for longer than I care to admit, and I've seen a couple of really nice towns close down their AMPs. Not as many as Hot Rodd, but I watched both Ann Arbor, MI and Waterbury, CT shut down a thriving business. All it takes is a focused set of police raids, and a special page in the paper with pictures of the guys who got rolled up. Boom, no business and plywood over the windows.

If the police decide to raid the AMPs, it won't be our fault for being overly detailed with our posts. These are brick and mortar establishments with neighbors and tax records going back decades. The reason these laws passed is that there are concerned citizens - probably taking notes from the parking lot across the street. All male clientele, etc. There's a freakin' movie out. As mentioned, most of the better ones have PD "Always there when you need them" stickers up and down the front windows. Central and Lily in particular seem to have donated to the police defense fund for at least a couple of decades. It's not like the cops need to sneak up on them. Everyone knows what's going on.

Hopefully the police *will* take this opportunity to clean up some real scum. Human trafficking, drug addiction, and the like. Honestly, I don't want that crap in my town. I talk to the providers and try to treat them like human beings - and while it's not a great job for most of them - it's a job. Talked to one girl who was in real estate until a couple of years ago. Now she gives rubs and tugs.

Anyway, my point is that writing $0.5 when we mean "fifty," or writing "I had a dream" before posting details don't do anything to protect the businesses or the girls. If we went to an all-private message forum, that might work (and it does for the best independent providers) - but it would be damn hard to get new members.

Nothing to report. Haven't been since the law passed. Too scared. PM with the good word if you know a safe place.

[QUOTE=DaddysLookin]This evening started out with high hopes. I made contact with Diana from Sipsap. I have been looking at those lovely pics for a while. We spoke a few times and I was to go to her place at 7:45 or whenever I got there.

She gave me the general location, Westminster St in Providence. I come up from O-ville and call for the location. She goes into a rehearsed spiel from the highway. I tell her I am not on the highway and she begins it again and I tell her again I am already on Westminster. At that point she hangs up and repeated attempts to connect were fruitless. I sent txt and that was also ignored. I even called again from my real phone and she hung up when she heard my voice. All this for a direction. I think I know her anyway from Wiggin village a couple of years ago. She was a GOOD time then. Too bad.

.[/QUOTE]


Had the same problem with Lexi last time she was here, I could not find the hotel she was at. After a couple back and forth calls and a fruitless attempt to find the place she gets all pissy and thinks I am playing head games.
Unreal, I had seen her before and no doubt wanted to see her again. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Legend Man]Had the same problem with Lexi last time she was here, I could not find the hotel she was at. After a couple back and forth calls and a fruitless attempt to find the place she gets all pissy and thinks I am playing head games. Unreal, I had seen her before and no doubt wanted to see her again. Oh well.[/QUOTE]Is this the same Lexi "Brent" raved about? I replied to her CLtherapeutic ad, got voicemail.

She calls back and wants a reference for a "massage". She tells me it has something to do with the "new law". I told her very politely I was answering an ad for a massage and I know where the "other" ads are. I thanked her for returning my call and left it at that. She calls back a few minutes later asking me if I am interested in her dance and striptease show. WTF. I gracefully declined explaining that I was only looking for a massage.

I saw Jackie from One last night cute.real 34 b's I'd say.The usual ts and pretty much usual everything pretty good oral skills and doggie.I would give her a 7 all around. It had been too long since my last visit was on the wrong floor for a while.

Don't be so friggin' paranoid- it's OK to call the place and leave a message with the mamasan- it's not like the CIA has the place bugged and everyone that calls is going to be traced and tracked down. I don't blame anyone that doesn't want to be where the first or next raid might be, but it may be close to business as usual, so chill out. Make the call. Use a payphone if you can find one. Wipe your prints off the receiver afterwards.


[QUOTE=Riclagriclag]New Law sucks

Don't need no pity or sarcasm, just your opinions. I'm really missing one of the provider's at Lily's.

I don't want to go there for obvious reasons. But I would like to call and tell mamason to say Hi to her from Ric.

Excuse my spelling.[/QUOTE]

Hot Rod,

With the exception of the Chicago place, we must have ran into each other.

You left out Club Rose, and LE in New London Ct. I am sure you hit them too.

[QUOTE=Hot Rodd]Being a member of this site for at least 8 years, I have witnessed the shutdowns of many retreats. Some from loose lips on this board and some from the natural recourse of the inevitable.

We are involved in a hobby that some call "Immoral"
and are constantly trying to shut it down.

For hundreds of years "they" have been unsuccessful in their efforts and will continue to fail till the end of time.
Because Guy's have to get laid and until that changes there will always be a market.

With that said you must all decide (If you continue on) to keep your experiences to yourself, or eventually you will watch them all disappear before your eyes or drive them further underground.

I am fully aware of the purpose of this site and am truly grateful for the help I received when I needed it years back, Thank you Jackson!

But it's a double edge sword.

The more information we provide, the better it makes it for LE and the quicker they can and will clean house.

Some of the ones I miss dearly:

Hong Kong, Waterbury, CT
The Alpha Club, Hartford, CT
Teki Gardens, Norwich, CT
The Body Shop, Norwich, CT
The Club, Chicago, Ill
And on and on.

Bottom line is this sport in forever changing. Learn to adapt and move on, and think before you post publicly or risk stabbing yourself in the back.

Peace,
Hot Rodd[/QUOTE]

Barton ? PM me

Folks,

I am in from out of town, I used to live in Boston for years and I have 2 days. I have read about 8 pages of text and I wanted to ask if it is smart for me to try 1 spa on Monday or Tuesday? I only have 2 days and I love table showers, RI has the best and I really want one before I leave. I don't want to get arrested and it looks like they could bust AMPs at anytime. I wanted to get your thoughts.

Thanks,

Toodw

[QUOTE=Toodw]Folks,

I am in from out of town, I used to live in Boston for years and I have 2 days. I have read about 8 pages of text and I wanted to ask if it is smart for me to try 1 spa on Monday or Tuesday? I only have 2 days and I love table showers, RI has the best and I really want one before I leave. I don't want to get arrested and it looks like they could bust AMPs at anytime. I wanted to get your thoughts.

Thanks,

Toodw[/QUOTE]I am from Miami on Biz. I went to One on Saturday afternoon around 3pm. It was raining pretty hard and a bit windy. I parked a block away and walked up. When I went up the Mamasan asked me to come back in a hour. I went down to Dunkin Donuts for a coffee. Scoped out the area. I knew with the bad weather there is no way any thing will go down.

Saw a nice Lady. Everything as posted on here. A weird thing tip was never mention. I left a tip around the amount posted on here.

After I went to PP strip club. Was serviced in a booth by a Brazillian for a cheap price. Thanks for the all the info on here.Sc

Could somebody PM about a recent trip to Waskunk. I haven't been in a long while and was curious if it has improved or changed in any way. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nuguy]Hot Rod,

With the exception of the Chicago place, we must have ran into each other.

You left out Club Rose, and LE in New London Ct. I am sure you hit them too.[/QUOTE]


Yes Nuguy,

I've witnessed many live spots disappear town after town.
Many were closed from the attention of this and other websites that disclose all the info the law needs to wipe out another establishment. or group.

Mamason Kim from the "Hong Kong" assured me when other spots were getting closed down that she "paid her taxes and was not going to be bothered" until this site gave the town of Waterbury so much press that what was once a low key town turned into a hot spot that drew in many johns from out of state.

That in turn forced the law to put it to an end.

They wiped them all out at the same moment, filmed it for the 6 o clock news and the rest is history.

For those of you who think it has nothing to do with the reports you write, I ask you to find me one site that (for argument sake) talks freely about gang activity's, where they broke the law, names, addresses or drug lords and what they sold to who?

As you can see, I have reported here more than a few times. I am grateful for all the help I have received here and have always tried to give some back, but the more I learn the less I talk.

Peace,

HR

I just left PP and headed over to FE but it was closed - normal business hours are until 10:00p.

I ventured over to One and was greeted by Angie, who mentioned it would be 20 minutes or so. I waited, and waited, and waited. The place was really, really busy. Finally a knock on the door and ... it was Angie saying it would be soon. About 10 minutes after that a knock and in comes "Mimi" whom I've never met.

I would describe "Mimi" as average at best, no up to One standards. What made her average stay average is her attitude. I can usually get a good reaction from the girls, especially at One were "nice" is part of the training. Not Mimi. I felt like I just pulled a queue number to stand in line at the deli. Mimi mentioned we would need to wait for the TS. At this time I was getting a little flustered, given the wait and Mimi was what I had to wait for. Highly unusual for me, I asked for my house fee back and started to dress! I sensed a bit of panic in Mimi's actions and voice and against my better judgement I decided to stay. What the heck, it was late.

We finally went to the TS and Mimi majorly complained about One and the number of clients - quoting 70 per day and 6 girls (usually 7). She mentioned she didn't really get a chance to eat and because they stay open until 3:00a will linger a bit to 4a or so. She mentioned the other girls are fed up too. I never sensed the "fed up" attitude with other girls there historically. Mimi is killing me :(. TS was unenjoyable at best.

Back to the room she gets on the table and lies next to me. I never really got a massage, in fact she asked me to massage her. She then asked the question and for the first time in my entire life I answered to the negative - wanted no part of her or her sorry butt.

A description of her - thin, enhanced B cans, straight brown hair shoulder length and across the forehead, no butt.

I did see some hotties in the hallway and yes, they did smile! Angie got me before I left and asked about my experience. I didn't totally trash her but Angie knew something was wrong and mentioned to try "much better girl" next time.

If you have the fortune of getting assigned "Mimi", I suggest you run for the hills.

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[QUOTE=Ampdude 2003]I just left PP and headed over to FE but it was closed - normal business hours are until 10:00p.

I ventured over to One and was greeted by Angie, who mentioned it would be 20 minutes or so. I waited, and waited, and waited. The place was really, really busy. Finally a knock on the door and ... it was Angie saying it would be soon. About 10 minutes after that a knock and in comes "Mimi" whom I've never met.

I would describe "Mimi" as average at best, no up to One standards. What made her average stay average is her attitude. I can usually get a good reaction from the girls, especially at One were "nice" is part of the training. Not Mimi. I felt like I just pulled a queue number to stand in line at the deli. Mimi mentioned we would need to wait for the TS. At this time I was getting a little flustered, given the wait and Mimi was what I had to wait for. Highly unusual for me, I asked for my house fee back and started to dress! I sensed a bit of panic in Mimi's actions and voice and against my better judgement I decided to stay. What the heck, it was late.

We finally went to the TS and Mimi majorly complained about One and the number of clients - quoting 70 per day and 6 girls (usually 7). She mentioned she didn't really get a chance to eat and because they stay open until 3:00a will linger a bit to 4a or so. She mentioned the other girls are fed up too. I never sensed the "fed up" attitude with other girls there historically. Mimi is killing me :(. TS was unenjoyable at best.

Back to the room she gets on the table and lies next to me. I never really got a massage, in fact she asked me to massage her. She then asked the question and for the first time in my entire life I answered to the negative - wanted no part of her or her sorry butt.

A description of her - thin, enhanced B cans, straight brown hair shoulder length and across the forehead, no butt.

I did see some hotties in the hallway and yes, they did smile! Angie got me before I left and asked about my experience. I didn't totally trash her but Angie knew something was wrong and mentioned to try "much better girl" next time.

If you have the fortune of getting assigned "Mimi", I suggest you run for the hills.[/QUOTE]


O.K., So I know I do not post or contribute often here (really have not been very active in past year) but I read often and just had to chime in here after reading this review.

This is not an attack on ampdude or anyone else here but I think you have basically seen some of the underbelly of the busier Spa's. Do you really think these girls can keep up with this kind of pace? Just think of how you would feel if you had to work 12-14 hour days with little break. Perform with a smile each time. Go through the same routine each time and engage in the most personal experience with each "Gentleman" each time. Most of these girls are excellent actress's but I fear what you saw was reality breaking through the performance. What you saw was the truth...these girls at One Spa are getting burned out and they are starting to show signs of the "Hard Work" they cheerfully do each and every day.

I will stay far away from One for two reason:

1st - When the LE hammer comes down this is the first place to take the hit!

2nd - They are WAY too busy! Clients waiting outside the door, shower room always tied up, girls that have performed 10-15 times daily.

This place has become far too "Well known" for it's own good and I think we we will see more and more reviews like this one until the day you see the highlights of a bust on the news!

BTW - Posts like these can and will be viewed by the ultra feminist who passed the law as a prime example of why they pushed this law through!

It is funny, a newbie, with only 6 posts, can berate a senior member with over 200 posts. Spend some time before you blast a trusted senior member please.

[QUOTE=Riclagriclag]Hi Ampdude 2003,

If you care to notice the several posts before you. On the repercussion of your review and others of the detail's are damaging to the AMP's and our hobby. I ask everyone to consider what they post. I don't know everything or pretend too, on how to keep the hobby reviews from getting in the wrong hands(LE). But it's not Rocket science to figure the outcome of this info we provide.

Ric[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Muffythediver]BTW - Posts like these can and will be viewed by the ultra feminist who passed the law as a prime example of why they pushed this law through![/QUOTE]
Skewed more than likely, not honestly "viewed" - that feminist won't admit that the women are there by choice - looking to make a buck - NOT slaves, as many know. This is a fact if you've ever talked to anyone there. If they are truly unhappy or burnt out they will leave as they please. They are probably just trying to stretch it out as long as possible before the big hammer comes down and getting a bit tired. Fatigue and burnout occurs in all professions! But, I'll bet the provider wasn't truly speaking for everyone there.

And yes, it became far too well known, popular and busy. I doubt I'll return.

With regards to posting here, yes, we are all to "blame" I suppose BUT remember this is not the only site that comments on experiences and I've no idea how you will ever stop it altogether so LE will always have some tools (but yes, we can limit our input here at least).

[QUOTE=Newday53]Skewed more than likely, not honestly "viewed" - that feminist won't admit that the women are there by choice - looking to make a buck - NOT slaves, as many know. This is a fact if you've ever talked to anyone there. If they are truly unhappy or burnt out they will leave as they please. They are probably just trying to stretch it out as long as possible before the big hammer comes down and getting a bit tired. Fatigue and burnout occurs in all professions! But, I'll bet the provider wasn't truly speaking for everyone there.

And yes, it became far too well known, popular and busy. I doubt I'll return.

With regards to posting here, yes, we are all to "blame" I suppose BUT remember this is not the only site that comments on experiences and I've no idea how you will ever stop it altogether so LE will always have some tools (but yes, we can limit our input here at least).[/QUOTE]
..would get an idea of what's going on in AMPs in Providence. Posts here are not giving LE any more information than a simple visit to one by an undercover based on the ads they run in the Phoenix.

[QUOTE=Newday53]Skewed more than likely, not honestly "viewed" - that feminist won't admit that the women are there by choice - looking to make a buck - NOT slaves, as many know. This is a fact if you've ever talked to anyone there. If they are truly unhappy or burnt out they will leave as they please. They are probably just trying to stretch it out as long as possible before the big hammer comes down and getting a bit tired. Fatigue and burnout occurs in all professions! But, I'll bet the provider wasn't truly speaking for everyone there.

And yes, it became far too well known, popular and busy. I doubt I'll return.

With regards to posting here, yes, we are all to "blame" I suppose BUT remember this is not the only site that comments on experiences and I've no idea how you will ever stop it altogether so LE will always have some tools (but yes, we can limit our input here at least).[/QUOTE]


I never said anything about the choice these girls have, that is and always will be debateable. I personally do not think they are being forced, but I do think many of them do not have any other options to make this kind of money. I think once they are shipped in and start working Mamasan starts them off slow, then once they show they have it down Mama throws them to the wolves. This is the point where they are turning 10-15 "Body rubs" a day and bringing in loads of cash.

Greed keeps them going but there attitude starts suffering. 2-3 weeks of this and they are burnt out and ready to take a break. I think One may be trying to squeeze everything they can out of each girl before they go because of how busy and well known they have become.

I think these girls are slaves to there own greed and the needs of there families back home! I personally will not go back to One even though I know they have the best girls. Mark my words, when the hammer comes down One and all it's occupants are going down...Do you really want to be a 6pm news star?

Hey Ric -

I am usually quite considerate of my words with sensitivity to the environment and other submitters, but I did not really consider my report a lead cause for some kind action or fuel discussion.

Mimi was unique in a sense that her complaining was very atypical and I wanted to make sure folks were aware of this if running into her. I am not sure she'll last long based on Angie's awareness of the situation.

One takeaway from your post is the apparency in the way information will be exchanged with regard to this board (RI), at least for a bit.


[QUOTE=Riclagriclag]Hi Ampdude 2003,

If you care to notice the several posts before you. On the repercussion of your review and others of the detail's are damaging to the AMP's and our hobby. I ask everyone to consider what they post. I don't know everything or pretend too, on how to keep the hobby reviews from getting in the wrong hands(LE). But it's not Rocket science to figure the outcome of this info we provide.

Ric[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Riclagriclag]Hi Ampdude 2003,

If you care to notice the several posts before you. On the repercussion of your review and others of the detail's are damaging to the AMP's and our hobby. I ask everyone to consider what they post. I don't know everything or pretend too, on how to keep the hobby reviews from getting in the wrong hands(LE). But it's not Rocket science to figure the outcome of this info we provide.

Ric[/QUOTE]

I seriously doubt that the RI legislature spent so much time debating or voting on the recent legislation based on posts here.

And, I seriously doubt that the Providence PD or RI State police will base any raids on what they might read here. Imagine evidence presented in court or to a judge requested to issue a search warrant: "your honor, everything is based on posts we read on USASG" !!! Come on, nothing that LE might do is based on anonymous posts here.

First, while I resent the legislature for interfereing with my liberty to enjoy the hobby, and I too fear getting caught up in some police activity, I will continue to visit AMP's because I enjoy it.

The RISP and the Providence PD are, almost exclusively, reactive organizations. They are rarely proactive, and have more than enough work to do maintaining order and responding to complaints of citizens or real crime in Rhode Island.

Police resources are scarce, so scarce you would be stunned at how few police are actually on patrol at any given time in Providence. It takes 6 full time police officers on the payroll to put 1 officer on the street 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The number is the same for RISP. If one or more of those officers is wasting his time reading this forum, then his or her supervisor will, no doubt find some more productive and visible method to direct the officers efforts.

Believe me, these police departments are not looking for more things to do.

But, they will not be embarrassed and they will respond to calls with complaints.

So be considerate of the environment. Don't be driving to an AMP drunk. Don't disturb the neighborhood at 2 AM when you arrive.

Live will go on.

The police already know where all the AMP's are. What we report here will not have any affect on police action.

[QUOTE=Bubba261]I seriously doubt that the RI legislature spent so much time debating or voting on the recent legislation based on posts here.

And, I seriously doubt that the Providence PD or RI State police will base any raids on what they might read here. Imagine evidence presented in court or to a judge requested to issue a search warrant: "your honor, everything is based on posts we read on USASG" !!! Come on, nothing that LE might do is based on anonymous posts here.[/QUOTE]

Considering how all this amp stuff was legal and based on the fellow mongers I have seen at the amps.

I would not doubt that any one of us senior mongers are LE.

[QUOTE=Bubba261]I seriously doubt that the RI legislature spent so much time debating or voting on the recent legislation based on posts here.

And, I seriously doubt that the Providence PD or RI State police will base any raids on what they might read here. Imagine evidence presented in court or to a judge requested to issue a search warrant: "your honor, everything is based on posts we read on USASG" !!! Come on, nothing that LE might do is based on anonymous posts here.[/QUOTE]
I don't think police get a search warrant to conduct an undercover operation. They receive information, such as from posts here, that illegal activity is taking place. They then go undercover to see if that is true. Depending on the state, they might need a warrant to record conversations, but they would get that after going in to determine if anything is going on that is illegal and that they would like to record.

[QUOTE=Savior Faire]I don't think police get a search warrant to conduct an undercover operation. They receive information, such as from posts here, that illegal activity is taking place. They then go undercover to see if that is true. Depending on the state, they might need a warrant to record conversations, but they would get that after going in to determine if anything is going on that is illegal and that they would like to record.[/QUOTE]
There was a raid on a place in Meriden, CT about a year ago, the 2041 club, I think the name was and part of the police report were quotes found from this forum. The ultimate reason for the raid and eventual closure was a sexually transmitted disease was spread by one of the dancers. But again, they did find quotes from here to confirm there was that kind of activity going on. If you look in Ct. under Meriden you will find it.

What if these Asians, Strippers, streetwalkers, were your own daughters, mothers, sisters or granddaughters? Every prostitute is someone's daughter.

What goes around comes around.

[QUOTE=Pam Anderson]What if these Asians, Strippers, streetwalkers, were your own daughters, mothers, sisters or granddaughters? Every prostitute is someone's daughter.

What goes around comes around.[/QUOTE]

So let me make sure I'm getting this right.

What goes around, comes around... the Karmic Connection, the Circle of Life, Yin and Yang, Fate... I understand this much.

So according to you, if I have a daughter and she becomes a sex worker, it's because I'm getting whacked with a cosmic baseball bat for getting a massage and a blowjob?

Go ask your father if he ever bought a girl something extra nice or spent way too much on dinner and gifts on Valentine's Day with the intention of trying to get some. When he denies it, you will know that he is lying. He's not that charming - If he was, some of it would have rubbed off on you.

We all pay for it one way or the other.
Get over yourself.


Bench

[QUOTE=Willy O]There was a raid on a place in Meriden, CT about a year ago, the 2041 club, I think the name was and part of the police report were quotes found from this forum. The ultimate reason for the raid and eventual closure was a sexually transmitted disease was spread by one of the dancers. But again, they did find quotes from here to confirm there was that kind of activity going on. If you look in Ct. under Meriden you will find it.[/QUOTE]Willy O is right. I have been a member for some time but rarely post and as I said in a Conn Forum, it is fear of getting caught, thats it.

But, that said, I also read the Police report for the 2041 club in the local paper (Meriden Record-Journal.com) The paper put the Cops report on the internet. It said in the report that the Police monitor these sites for various reasons (Murder in Boston from CL I am sure is one reason). The report said that the Police based their case on numerous issues but one was what they learned on USA Sex Guide from bloggers like us. Don't get me wrong, I love this site and it has helped my Monger hobby greatly, but just be smart what you do, what you say and where you do it. Know your surroundings and don't just run up on a SW, drive around the block once or twice and see who is watching.

[QUOTE=Pam Anderson]What if these Asians, Strippers, streetwalkers, were your own daughters, mothers, sisters or granddaughters? Every prostitute is someone's daughter.

What goes around comes around.[/QUOTE]Good morning Ms' Hughes/Shapiro,

Love the mongress name you came up with; deep, dark fantasy you've been 'chastizing' yourself over for some time would be my guess.

Please answer me this, "What is the hang-up you have with sex?"

A great many of us (including daughters, mothers, sisters AND granddaughters) actually like sex; yes, we enjoy sucking and fucking.

I feel the deepest sympathy for you because you are truly missing out on one of the great pleasures this life has to offer.

I mean, how do you think you got here?!?

[QUOTE=Pam Anderson]What if these Asians, Strippers, streetwalkers, were your own daughters, mothers, sisters or granddaughters? Every prostitute is someone's daughter.

What goes around comes around.[/QUOTE]

In order for you to be here, your father fucked your mother!

[QUOTE=Jhonny8770]Good morning Ms' Hughes/Shapiro,

Love the mongress name you came up with; deep, dark fantasy you've been 'chastizing' yourself over for some time would be my guess.

Please answer me this, "What is the hang-up you have with sex? "

A great many of us (including daughters, mothers, sisters AND granddaughters) actually like sex; yes, we enjoy sucking and fucking.

I feel the deepest sympathy for you because you are truly missing out on one of the great pleasures this life has to offer.

I mean, how do you think you got here?![/QUOTE]There thousands of stories as we see ladies "come and go".

I talked to an Asian provider recently she has to pay off 35k before she can be "released" from this obligation. I magine this means "they" are holding her passport or may have told her other things to scare her?

I am sure many(perhaps most) knew what they were getting into but I imagine not all of them didn't know the true reality until they were asked to really produce.

[QUOTE=Pam Anderson]What if these Asians, Strippers, streetwalkers, were your own daughters, mothers, sisters or granddaughters? Every prostitute is someone's daughter.

What goes around comes around.[/QUOTE]Donna Hughes has done more to set back Feminism than anyone in America. The majority of people who are in this industry ( even the clients) understand the difference between grown up American Pros and human trafficking. Only shrieking martyr- hysterics do not. You could have millions of women speaking in their own defense who are Pros who will adamantly ask it to be legalized for their own protection. Someone like this will discount every opposing opinion because she is sick. The self righteous have done more evils in the world than any pleasure loving hedonist.

I will say that as a woman, I am often appalled by many of the posters on here. Many of you seem to be very primitive, lacking in humanity and seem to have a deep seated dislike re: women in general. But most humans have an IQ of 100 or under, so I should not be surprised.

I am a woman in the industry. I was never abused, molested or on drugs. If/when I reach some sort of epiphany re: what I do and if it is a negative one, than I will quit. I am cutting and pasting something that I read re: a famous call girl who just came out. She is very brave-certainly braver than many of you posters who complain about your fun being inhibited yet did nothing to step forward to influence the outcome.

My Body-My Business. And I mean that literary.

Dr Magnanti/Bell is the ballsiest chick that I wish I knew.

I find that those of you who judge her seem so often, to have little education or life experience.

Life is hard and complex and one does what what needs to survive and hopefully-flourish. This woman represents FAR MORE women than many of you believe. I applaud her focus, savvy, curiosity about life and her obvious accomplishments. Not to mention she is one hell of a writer. She did this without owing school loans and paying taxes. WTF is wrong with you people? She is a success and an honest one at that. She is not a drug addict, not abused and actually achieved her goals. Some of you just can't seem to wrap your minds around that.

This is an Darwinian world and the sex industry is based on biological needs that will never be rooted out. The whole world and it's commerce is built on the need to reproduce. You can call it love, desire, nature- whatever but this is something about humans that will never change.

As a FEMINIST I find it ironic that the men are still making more than women in the sex industry. Women own "the slice of life" that everyone since the dawn of time has wanted a piece of. She should be the FIRST to profit off of it as she sees fit.

There are many women (and men) that have dabbled in the shadow world. Educated, gifted people who have a plan, down on their luck etc..who resort to doing this. As long as they are of age (21 and up)and not coerced they should be able to do as they please behind closed doors. Your sisters and daughters could very well be prostitutes or Dominas or strippers and you would never know. Do you want your college bound beauties to be arrested and branded a Pro? Set up and hunted down like witches back in Salem? How barbaric and foolish. Once they have a record they can kiss college good-bye and it's hello Pro for life. Wake up people-staying alive is an expensive habit and getting more so every day. Women still make less and have you heard? Starbucks is laying everyone off.

Most STDS etc... are spread by serial monogamist and vanilla people. Most Pros are very mindful re: using condoms. BTW the pros are not breaking up families. I'm sure the majority of them want your man even less than some of you women seem to. I believe that they work on the catch and release program. An hour is long enough.


Once women own/profit from the sexual rights of our bodies-this world will be turned topsy turvy and men know it. Some women still do not. I call myself a feminist because I know all roads lead back to women. When we own our sexuality then we own everything. Imagine if we all understood our own worth and charged accordingly? Without sentiment? Because some of us can do this-so why not let us? For someone like the Dr./Bell who is very educated and super bright, multi gifted, eloquent and beautiful to "Come out" as she did is remarkable. Brave yes, but I bet she doesn't yet understand herself the implications of this action. The moral hysterics will try and drown out her "legitimacy" but she is as legit as it gets and represents many "normal" people who are forced to live in the grey area.

There is an incredible back lash of governments against sex workers. But if you poll the citizens in most of these countries, studies after study show they are either indifferent or support legalizing prostitution. With controls in place of course. I think this is because there are more women doing it and many of them are far better educated than the workers say 20 years ago. There are more activist becoming organized, many have legal council and are feminist.

So now that we have the vote, let's take care of our sisters and stop persecuting other human beings that are just trying to live. I don't know if there was a Jesus, but if there were I think he would be the first to say mind your own business and leave these people the hell alone.

Bravo Dr Brooke Magnanti/Belle De Jour. Chin up and carry on. ; )

I hear the Providence Police department will not be going after the spas, on direct order from the Mayor. Something to do with not wanting to have to go after the gay clubs. I actually heard this from a cop.

The law is basically void.

Carry on as usual.

The Professor

[QUOTE=Pam Anderson]What if these Asians, Strippers, streetwalkers, were your own daughters, mothers, sisters or granddaughters? Every prostitute is someone's daughter.

What goes around comes around.[/QUOTE]

Now there is a posting name if I ever heard one. And I suppose that your posting namesake didn't use sex or sexuality in any way to get to her goals. Please don't bore us with this crap.
If these ladies were as you mentioned and were doing it of their own free will or because maybe they enjoyed the sex or the companionship without the strings then i wouldn't have a problem. and don't tell me that it doesn't happen. I was friends with someone who used escorting as a way to have casual relationships without having the emotional strings. She ENJOYED it. One of the MP workers who actually testified told us that she was financing her daughters education at Brown University by working in the spas. she was a homeowner and taxpayer who was doing it as a means to an end. Don't think there are many more like this out there. There are! And if you didn't know it those 'strippers' that you mention will sometimes come home with a thousand dollars or more for a nights work. And they don't all do other things.
If they were being forced into it then shame on us for not speaking up and doing something about it. I think if you actually read the forum (other than the last month since you joined) you will find that most of us have that same attitude.
And if they were doing it because they HAD to and didn't have any othjer choice then shame on me for not stepping up to the plate and helping them. And BTW shame on all of those do-gooder politicians and others that are making obscene amounts of money and not looking out for those who are scraping by. (ex-Ma legislature cuts welfare, food stamps amd health benefits by untold millions but just gave themselves and their staffs an 18 million dollar raise. We gave BILLIONS to banks and others to bail them out. What happens..they still won't lend to those who need it and give themselves millions in bonus money. Think about it..we could have given each of these workers you mentioned a million dollars to help them out and still had money leftover. And BTW let's not get into all those tens of thousands of women that get themselves pregnant over and over again just to keep the benefits going. Happens everywhere hun!
Finally it amazes me that all you feminist do-gooders out there will scream discrimanation, brutality and how unfair everything is but at a moments notice will use your sexuality, femininity and yes sex to get what you want whether it is a job, a raise, a date or to just make money. And don't tell me it doesn't happen everywhere. That's why there are mini-skirts, VS models and skimpy attire galore. So don't tell me that women don't use sex as a tool to get what they want...cause then I would have to call you a liar.
In the meantime just let down your hair, put something sexy on and go out and enjoy yourself...you might just like it. Let me know!