Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5875788]Sorry to hear about Steve. I dealt with him a few times back around 2012 to 2014. I didn't have a strong opinion about him, one way or the other. He treated me fairly enough.

The media and LE have decided that every escort is a victim of human trafficking. And nothing screams that narrative like an overweight middle-age man running a bunch of ladies.

I do not think that Steve was truly a bad guy, but he was a prime target in the current environment.[/QUOTE]Those were the days when the Hobby was booming. Steve an Buddha had several girls working for them. Last couple of years EE Quality an numbers have went down hill. Be interesting to see if he or anyone starts scheduling again.

The person You have to feel bad for is Mariah that was with him. . I doubt any clients going to want to touch her knowing that she was working for him and he got caught.

So what will happen now to girls like Mariah?

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;5876551]So what will happen now to girls like Mariah?[/QUOTE]They will be able to collect unemployment. LOL.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5876478]They usually just spam you GrayBar Hotel coupons. Don't try to redeem them and you're golden.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;5876262]What are the cops going to do with a Google Voice number?[/QUOTE]If they're conducting a "Human Trafficking" (or, for that matter, any other) investigation, they can contact Google and ask for the account information. I promise, Google will comply.

Very unlikely, but you asked. Folks seem to think Google voice is anonymous. Not even a little bit.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;5876551]So what will happen now to girls like Mariah?[/QUOTE]Probably will be contacted by social workers that want to assist her in the mad rush to find some victims to convict Steve with.

Two of the best, in my humble opinion. Both genuine and friendly and loved their profession. I miss them terribly.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5876662]If they're conducting a "Human Trafficking" (or, for that matter, any other) investigation, they can contact Google and ask for the account information. I promise, Google will comply.

Very unlikely, but you asked. Folks seem to think Google voice is anonymous. Not even a little bit.[/QUOTE]What about Telegraph? Is that anonymous?

Kind of ironic that Steve was the subject of beratement on here a few days ago from a would-be provider who didn't care much for him; just makes you wonder at the coincidence. That would be a shame.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5874698]Yep. The've had their eye on Steve since the debacle a few years back at the hotel where they confiscated his phones and all.
Hopefully he's not giving up all the client info. A lot of those girls seemed to have real world info on their clients. Some folks talk too much about their "chef" activities, etc. and share Instagram and Snapchat photos. LOL.

I'm sure they have his phone. Everyone here using Google Voice should probably be thinking about getting an honest burner.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Holdrhem;5876778]What about Telegraph? Is that anonymous?[/QUOTE]Really none of its anonymous bro, if they want to find out something, they are going to find out what they are looking for. None of it will hold up in court let alone make its way into court unless you are contacting a live sting ad, or are a high ranking official that someone is going after their job like that west virginia senator, and he was in an extremely low crime county with nothing better to do. And even then it didn't hold up in court. The only problem you're going to run into is if you're married or have a significant other or some shit like that, like hypothetically they call your home phone and then your wife figures out or something to that effect and an argument ensues. But even then you're not going to court, that guy was a senator, we are peons. they have a hard enough time getting charges to stick on the dudes that DO show up to the operations. Easy solution to all of this? Don't get married.

[QUOTE=Chunks92;5877851]Really none of its anonymous bro, if they want to find out something, they are going to find out what they are looking for. None of it will hold up in court let alone make its way into court unless you are contacting a live sting ad, or are a high ranking official that someone is going after their job like that west virginia senator, and he was in an extremely low crime county with nothing better to do. And even then it didn't hold up in court. The only problem you're going to run into is if you're married or have a significant other or some shit like that, like hypothetically they call your home phone and then your wife figures out or something to that effect and an argument ensues. But even then you're not going to court, that guy was a senator, we are peons. they have a hard enough time getting charges to stick on the dudes that DO show up to the operations. Easy solution to all of this? Don't get married.[/QUOTE]If I'm reading the penalty section of KY Laws, the max fine for a john is going to be $250. They are not likely going to spend a bunch of investigation resources to hand out tickets. Now, if they find someone on parole has violated that parole by using his illegal services, they might go after them. With all the drug OD's & recent shootings, they have other shit to worry about.

[QUOTE=RE1975;5877832]Kind of ironic that Steve was the subject of beratement on here a few days ago from a would-be provider who didn't care much for him; just makes you wonder at the coincidence. That would be a shame.[/QUOTE]My guess is they established dates with several girls to prove he was the wizard behind the curtain and then busted him. There is no way they looked up his website and said hey let's just arrest him. I would also guess during that time they watched others go in and out as well!! Goes back to don't say anything if you get questioned! I do know prior to the pandemic, from a talkative intoxicated officer one night at a bar that he said they (nky cooperating agencies) have access to infrared cameras and laser mics. So who knows how this might play out. Be safe.

[QUOTE=WoodFordR69;5877956]If I'm reading the penalty section of KY Laws, the max fine for a john is going to be $250. They are not likely going to spend a bunch of investigation resources to hand out tickets. Now, if they find someone on parole has violated that parole by using his illegal services, they might go after them. With all the drug OD's & recent shootings, they have other shit to worry about.[/QUOTE]

The law is vague, but you could get charged for human trafficking - the part that reads supporting which could mean paying. You also need to add if they impound your car for using it to commit a crime; the penalty for criminal tools I. E. Phone, computer etc. It's never just one charge in the end. Plus court costs. Plus John school. If you hire an attorney that's probably another $2500.

[QUOTE=Twisted69;5878053]The law is vague, but you could get charged for human trafficking - the part that reads supporting which could mean paying. You also need to add if they impound your car for using it to commit a crime; the penalty for criminal tools I. E. Phone, computer etc. It's never just one charge in the end. Plus court costs. Plus John school. If you hire an attorney that's probably another $2500.[/QUOTE]Here is a very important line in Ohios code for human trafficking: "In a prosecution under this section, proof that the defendant engaged in sexual activity with any person, or solicited sexual activity with any person, whether or not for hire, without more, does not constitute a violation of this section. ".

That is a statute reserved for true pieces of shit. Even guys who are drivers don't end up with anything severe. There was some old guy, clearly just an average harmless dude, who got charged with fourth degree felony promoting prostitution for giving a woman a ride to what turned out to be a sting back in 2017. (invasive as fuck, its really nobodys business if im hanging out with a grown woman, guy never should have been charged.) It was amended to fourth degree misdemeanor disorderly conduct and he got off with a small fine. Still all great examples of why to never pay electronically and not be specific in chat logs, but its highly doubtful some random peon is going to get charged for that, not in Ohio at least, and even if they did it wouldnt hold up in court. Kentucky I can't speak to that, but something tells me that the only way something like that has a snowballs chance in hell of materializing is if the guy incriminates himself.

Took me a while but i dug up the article. this poor bastard. finding the case on case search you can see the amended charge.

[URL]https://www.wkbn.com/news/3-arrested-during-undercover-sex-stings-in-austintown/[/URL]

[QUOTE=LuckyNutz;5876354]When someone takes 25-40% of a women's donation and tries to have "free" dreams, then he is in fact a pimp.[/QUOTE]There's absolutely no way, I told him 20% when he tried to say 25% and I don't do freebies. And I have more discerning taste in men, shall we say? He never got me a room, I have my own car, I'm not on anything and I think this is fun. I enjoy it and it shows. I'm also not desperate, I own my on home and have a job, just getting some upgrades paid for after 10 of living there. I love my job but the pay sucks. I am crap at scheduling; I just need someone to tell me where to be and the 20% was almost worth it, but he's a creep. I do have a new scheduler, with whom I am his only gal who does this sort of thing. He's just a nice guy who is super organized, could use the extra cash, and really really loves the product he's helping to peddle. I approve of guys or not, and he manages my schedule. I'm not a crack head, I don't do guys only crack heads would do.

[QUOTE=Twisted69;5878053]The law is vague, but you could get charged for human trafficking - the part that reads supporting which could mean paying. You also need to add if they impound your car for using it to commit a crime; the penalty for criminal tools I. E. Phone, computer etc. It's never just one charge in the end. Plus court costs. Plus John school. If you hire an attorney that's probably another $2500.[/QUOTE]Your right about what it could cost if they got serious. On the HT part, there were a lot of references to having explicit knowledge. Looks like it was written to ensure they can get the handlers but customers would be hard to prove. Again, just my interpretation. Generally uncles threaten stuff like that to get higher up in the org. They already took the head off the snake. Everything else is just pennies on the dollar. They have a high burden of proof for the potential of a smaller reward than the expenses of the investigation. They can get a shitload more confiscating cash from a dealer. Hell, in the BC sting where they caught dudes in the room, they just got tickets to pay. Showing up was absolute proof. If someone at the the's office has a serious hard-on to chase this, maybe they do. More than likely they stop at the head & maybe parolees they can violate back. That's just my bet.