"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FanRat;3645265]I have had more than a few girls on SA ask for money for the initial meet and greet. Anywhere from .5 to $$. And a few that want it up front via PayPal or Venmo which I would never agree to.

They say it's to prove that a potential SD is serious.

I have never agreed to this bc it's just too easy to get ripped off but last week I did it and guess what? I got ripped off (I think).

I had been texting a very very attractive young Asian in Richmond that goes by sweetliljay. We messaged on SA a little and then exchanged numbers and texted daily for over a week. I was surprised that her # was an iPhone which feels like her real #. I could be wrong but how many girls use an iPhone as a burn phone?

Anyway, she seemed very real and genuine and interested. We discussed expectations in detail and decided to meet for dinner and drinks but she wanted $100. She said it would come off the top if we hooked up that night. I knew I wouldn't be able to that night bc of other obligations but agreed anyway bc she was just too cute and sounded like a real poa.

We met, she was gorgeous and we had a great time at dinner. She gave me her real name which I later verified by finding her on several soc med sites.

But the day after our m&g she pretty much disappeared. A couple texts but nothing like before and no response when asking to catch up again.

It seems odd. If she meant to just collect $ and disappear I wouldn't expect to have gotten her real name or # (if the # is real). She hasn't blocked me on her # or on IG either. She also has not logged in to her SA account since a couple days before we met.

I was able to learn from some of the sites that she had a heroin problem and it seems like she's in the RVA to try to kick it. She's originally from Brooklyn. It also appears that she had a bf and the relationship was strained bc of the addiction but they may have recently gotten back together.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. The question is; do you guys do the pay for m&g thing and have you had good or bad experiences? I am thinking about adding something to my profile stating that I will not do it. While I understand that the SA wants to know that the SD is real and serious it seems to me that the SD wants the same.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I personally don't pay for a m / g but if the girl travels an hour or more to meet me I will give her gas money. With that said it seems alot of guys are doing it. Everyone has different thoughts on it and really its not any different than guys who gift the girls to show up. For me its like a job interview for both parties. No one gets paid for that. Now whether you got took or not it did seem you agreed to the $ for showing to be deducted if it was to move on that night. It didn't move on so technically you didn't get took. In the end its up to you whether to gift or pay girls to show. Take it as a learning experience.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3646202]Really? So some stranger on the internet asks you for money and you just send it? To prove you're serious! How about this, next girl that asks you to prove that you're serious and wants money upfront tell her that instead you need her to prove to YOU that she's serious and that you require a BJ to completion in the first minute you meet her. If you fail to understand the analogy here there's nothing anybody can do to help you.[/QUOTE]Totally agree on this.

Fact is our time is more valuable than their time in most cases. The fact that we are spening time to meet and treat a girl in a nice resturant should be pretty much all we need to do to prove that we are serious. I might provide some gas money / uber ride if girl doesn't have a car after the meal but that's about it. No advancing anything.

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The question is; do you guys do the pay for m&g thing? [/QUOTE]Never ever ever. If she asks, move on.

Thanks for the responses! I did agree to that 1 bc she was just too cute and fun leading up but have turned down almost a half dozen others.

I think it's unfortunate that some guys are doing it. Some girls are starting to expect it.

I had an ok dream with ItsPamela from SA last night. Early 20's, 5'4" white girl. Her pictures are very cute but they are old. She is probably 30 pounds heavier now so she wasn't quite what I was expecting. That's why I say it was OK.

Started messaging, exchanged numbers and started texting. Almost immediately invited me to her place for drinks and alone time. She was very open to text about my expectations and hers so I set up a date.

Like I said she wasn't as cute as I was hoping but killer BBBJCIM, DT with ease and I am a big guy. Most girls can't get half of me but I literally fucked this chicks throat and she took it to the end. Then she said she likes to be bent over so I covered up, she bent over the bed and I hammered away to #2 - she handled that nicely too. Pretty tight kitty.

She has a nice private condo in the east end so the location was cool and perfect for guys who can't take a girl home and don't want the overhead of a hotel.

Damage was $$ but I think she would probably do less. She asked me what I'd give and that is what I threw out. I was afraid she'd balk bc a lot of the girls I meet on SA are looking for $$$ or more.

Anyway, overall decent experience. As good or better than most I've had on BP.

Anyone seen this one? Keeps sending hey every few days despite my lack of interest. Wanted too much.

[QUOTE=FanRat;3645265]I have had more than a few girls on SA ask for money for the initial meet and greet. Anywhere from .5 to $$. And a few that want it up front via PayPal or Venmo which I would never agree to.

They say it's to prove that a potential SD is serious.

I have never agreed to this bc it's just too easy to get ripped off but last week I did it and guess what? I got ripped off (I think).

I had been texting a very very attractive young Asian in Richmond that goes by sweetliljay. We messaged on SA a little and then exchanged numbers and texted daily for over a week. I was surprised that her # was an iPhone which feels like her real #. I could be wrong but how many girls use an iPhone as a burn phone?

Anyway, she seemed very real and genuine and interested. We discussed expectations in detail and decided to meet for dinner and drinks but she wanted $100. She said it would come off the top if we hooked up that night. I knew I wouldn't be able to that night bc of other obligations but agreed anyway bc she was just too cute and sounded like a real poa.

We met, she was gorgeous and we had a great time at dinner. She gave me her real name which I later verified by finding her on several soc med sites.

But the day after our m&g she pretty much disappeared. A couple texts but nothing like before and no response when asking to catch up again.

It seems odd. If she meant to just collect $ and disappear I wouldn't expect to have gotten her real name or # (if the # is real). She hasn't blocked me on her # or on IG either. She also has not logged in to her SA account since a couple days before we met.

I was able to learn from some of the sites that she had a heroin problem and it seems like she's in the RVA to try to kick it. She's originally from Brooklyn. It also appears that she had a bf and the relationship was strained bc of the addiction but they may have recently gotten back together.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. The question is; do you guys do the pay for m&g thing and have you had good or bad experiences? I am thinking about adding something to my profile stating that I will not do it. While I understand that the SA wants to know that the SD is real and serious it seems to me that the SD wants the same.

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Sorry about your luck man. I had exchanged a few messages back and forth with her and then she went ghost. I actually just noticed she on today but hasn't read my last reply to her. Hopefully she comes through for you but I think even if she does reply I'll pass.

[QUOTE=FanRat;3646541]Thanks for the responses! I did agree to that 1 bc she was just too cute and fun leading up but have turned down almost a half dozen others.

I think it's unfortunate that some guys are doing it. Some girls are starting to expect it.[/QUOTE]After weeks of silence she messaged me today finally. Go figure.

[QUOTE=Hungre1234;3646642]Sorry about your luck man. I had exchanged a few messages back and forth with her and then she went ghost. I actually just noticed she on today but hasn't read my last reply to her. Hopefully she comes through for you but I think even if she does reply I'll pass.[/QUOTE]She actually started replying to me today saying that yes, she's having a tough time recovering from a heroin addiction and asked for a little time and we'd get together. Then I noticed that she's been on SA for several hours today.

I have a feeling she had lined up a few like me, made some quick money, binged for a week and now she's back on SA lining up more so she can repeat.

Some of the recent IG posts are her with apparently a bf talking about how good a thing they have together. Have to wonder if he isn't part of the scam and was waiting very close by while we had dinner. Good money if you can get it I guess.

I hope that isn't the case. I would really love to hook up with her. But 1 thing I know about heroin addiction is that it automatically makes you a liar and in most cases a scammer.

Good luck!

I got flamed recently when I posted about a dream I had with a girl on SA bc I didn't provide any links or contact info for the girl. I responded that it was SBs generally aren't looking for other business and try to be more private and UTR than other escorts.

I provided this review with her SA name bc of the way it got set up and went down. It was almost exactly like reaching out to a BP ad and it was clear that this girl is an escort who just happens to be using SA. That being the case I will review and provide info. I also got a pm today confirming that this girl had been posting on BP over the summer.

[QUOTE=FanRat;3646554]I had an ok dream with ItsPamela from SA last night. Early 20's, 5'4" white girl. Her pictures are very cute but they are old. She is probably 30 pounds heavier now so she wasn't quite what I was expecting. That's why I say it was OK.

Started messaging, exchanged numbers and started texting. Almost immediately invited me to her place for drinks and alone time. She was very open to text about my expectations and hers so I set up a date.

Like I said she wasn't as cute as I was hoping but killer BBBJCIM, DT with ease and I am a big guy. Most girls can't get half of me but I literally fucked this chicks throat and she took it to the end. Then she said she likes to be bent over so I covered up, she bent over the bed and I hammered away to #2 - she handled that nicely too. Pretty tight kitty.

She has a nice private condo in the east end so the location was cool and perfect for guys who can't take a girl home and don't want the overhead of a hotel..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hungre1234;3646854]After weeks of silence she messaged me today finally. Go figure.[/QUOTE]Like I said, me too.

I am pretty sure she set up a bunch of meetings like mine. Got food & drinks and collected $, then binged for a week. And now she's back on the prowl.

[QUOTE=FanRat;3646920] It was almost exactly like reaching out to a BP ad and it was clear that this girl is an escort who just happens to be using SA. That being the case I will review and provide info. I also got a pm today confirming that this girl had been posting on BP over the summer.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your date. I saw her on there. She has been around for awhile. She was doing doubles with her friend Maddie. Both were fun but she has quite a bit of baby damage so I passed when she reached out. If I remember correctly I had them both for $$.

[QUOTE=Fubar69;3647567]Thanks for sharing your date. I saw her on there. She has been around for awhile. She was doing doubles with her friend Maddie. Both were fun but she has quite a bit of baby damage so I passed when she reached out. If I remember correctly I had them both for $$.[/QUOTE]Yeah she definitely has some baby and probably drug damage. She certainly does not look like her pics on SA.

Someone shared Pam and Maddie's FB with me through PM. Maddie looks pretty hot. I sent a friend request and will see. I've never asked a girl about the hobby through FB though.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Tidad;3607095]Just heard back from this one: but she seems TGTBT. Anyone know her? PM me.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that is the old Hailey / Veronica from BP years ago. She has been on WYP for almost a year now. Online this morning as VictoriaWnters. 100 to met for lunch or dinner is her WYP. No dessert comes with it.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3607095]Just heard back from this one: but she seems TGTBT. Anyone know her? PM me.[/QUOTE]But she does look good! Whats her username on SA?