Tips to initiate the extras
I've mostly been in the Sugar Bowl the last 7-8 years, but I still enjoy partaking MPs every now and then, and I definitely enjoy the challenge and mystery of getting Extras in not so obvious places.
Here are some of my Tips.
1. Figure out your own "Groove". Meaning if you're a lady's man and you're playfully direct (like Bob) then you can go that route. If you're funny guy, use your humor. If you're a nice guy, be nice.
2. That said, you can never go wrong being a "nice guy" all things being equal. This means smiling, be polite, and respectful. Showing kindness and graciousness goes a LONG way with these women. I would say 8 out of 10 girls always remark how nice and respectful I am.
3. Don't be loud. Meaning when you greet and talk with her in the lobby and have small chit-chat in the room, keep your voice to a confident but low and easy volume. These girls don't like attracting a lot of attention in general, so loud laughs and such is going to make them nervous. Also they're going to be less likely to talk and be flirty with you if every word you say is like a bull-horn.
4. Unless you can pull it off playfully, don't be aggressive or pushy, ESPECIALLY on your first visit. If you grabher ass and she quickly pulls away take the hint. And even when she does let you lightly grope, don't overdo it. Massage her leg for 20 seconds or so when she's in a convenient position and then just gradually stop. You're giving her signals, but she still feels in control and you also give off a "respectful" and "controlled" vibe. And if you ask for a CBJ and she declines, just let it go. And if she's over-charging you on a HJ like. 8 then just politely decline. Don't get angry.
5. You're probably wondering why most of these tips so far relate to being a "nice" and other basics rather than some secret technique to get the Hidden Menu. But what these things do is make her COMFORTABLE. Once she feels fully comfortable around you, then you've taken the first major step to getting the Hidden Menu.
6. The next step is showing that you have the potential to be a good regular. Providers love regulars. So if you have a good session on your first visit with the girl, you MUST visit and see her again within a week. So it's important that you get her name at the beginning of the session and then towards the end of the session, ask for her schedule. You need to try hard to see her again, instead of a different girl. If you get a different girl this soon, you're back at square one. So follow-up within a week if you can. You don't want to over-tip (that makes you a sucker), but as others have said tipping 10 or 20 over the usual amount is good because it means she'll see you as valuable customer above the random walk-in. Eventually you'll get your money's worth as well.
7. Once you've made her "comfortable" and you've established yourself as a"regular", this is when you start making your moves. Just remember both comfort and being a regular is important. Just being a regular isn't enough because women have regulars that they absolutely hate. They'll do the minimum or just enough to get hem off and out as fast as possible. If a girl is giving you a mechanical or jack-hammer HJ with barely any eye-contact, giggling, or flirting then you probably haven't got her into a comfort zone. Granted, many of these girls do kind of go on auto-pilot and glaze over when giving extras, but you should be able to tell when a girl is trying to make you "happy" versus just trying to get you"off". Often times their behavior right after you cum is a great indicator. If they're very talkative or smiling, and attentiveness to you then they're probably comfortable with you. But if they kind of shutdown and quickly end the rest of the massage after the hot towel, then they probably see you as John #2389 and you're not there yet.
8. The original question was how to get extras beyond a standard HJ and minimal touching. So once you you've establish comfort and a regular, then start with under the clothes action. This is where your. 60 comes in handy. Since you're already giving 10-20 above the usual, the girl will likely feel obligated to let you cop an extra feel. You want to try to touch bare skin whether it's her ass or tits. Usually the ass is a bit easier because of positioning and the type of bra the girl is wearing. BUT don't immediately start trying to stick her fingers in her. Don't do anything invasive because that will likely take her out of her comfort zone. Take it slow at first. After the 3rd or so time doing this, you can lightly graze her magic box to take a temperature of where you're at but take it easy. But remember #3. If you're making very loud moans and noises just from a HJ and under clothes action, she'll be afraid to give you anything more because you blaring like a siren will draw too much attention.
9. Once you've gotten some under the clothes action, NOW is the time to start seeing a couple of the other girls in the AMP. Why? Girls are competitive. See another girl, the same girl for two visits or so. And it's important for the first girl know that you've seen someone else. The first girl may not show outwardly, she will get a little jealous and wonder what extras you're getting with the other girl. While these girls do talk about customers to each other, they are coy about what they do with each customer. I noticed this during a 4 hand massage. Individually I had practically disrobed each girl with my hands going everywhere I wanted with tons of dirty talk, but during the 4 hand, it was a straight HJ with zero touching under the clothes. I thought it was going to be the greatest massage ever but it ended up being the worst. It was like neither girl wanted to reveal what they did with me to the other. So the details of what goes on in a room with a girl is a bit of a black box so use that to your advantage.
10. Return to the first girl and try now to push the boundaries one notch up. If you did well, then she will likely allow you to do more vigorous touching. She wants to assert that you are HER regular. So she WANTS to make you happy and satisfied. From here you can feel out the vibe and you can determine what new extras you want to request. If you want to make the leap to BJ make sure you have the appropriate tip ready. Also when requesting a completely new or Hidden Menu item like that, try to schedule your appointment for an off hour when it's not busy or slow days. At some AMPs some girls may only see one or two customers on a very slow day, so if you see them on those days they'll be more amenable to Hidden Menu items for a good tip. If you can't go on a slow day, try schedule before closing or at the opening. Whatever time where they don't feel rushed.
Even if you do all these things, it just may not be possible to get FS from a HJ girl. The rooms / office / table just may not facilitate it or the girl just thinks it's too risky. And this does take time, it could take anywhere from 4-12 visits to get the Hidden Menu. But that's part of the fun, the challenge and uncertainty of it all. These tips though should most certainly get you to a minimum of some under clothes touching even with the shyest girl. Again, she has to be comfortable with you. If she's never comfortable with you, it's never going to happen.
And finally once you do access the Hidden Menu at a HJ-only AMP, be very cautious with sharing intel about it on public and review boards. If "Jenny" is suddenly getting dozens of guys (many of them not gentlemen) asking for her to blow or fuck them, then she's going to be very upset and may rip up her Hidden menu to you or worse she may get fired if her boss or other girls see reviews or get a surge of FS requests. So keep your hidden gem to yourself or only share it via PM with trusted members who know how to cultivate a relationship with a provider. If the girl moves on and no longer works there or it seems more / all girls at the AMP are providing extras beyond teasing / HJ then you're probably safe to review or post about her. I know we love to share information but these girls are trying to make a livelihood or pay the bills, so don't get them in trouble. Also if a girl sees a fellow provider getting shamed or fired because she gave BJ / FS then that girl is less likely to risk offering Hidden Menu items to you. If the girls are afraid, they are less likely to do anything. So the less we burn girls, the less fear there will be, and the better chance you have at finding hidden gems. You can drop subtle hints about a place without putting girls on blast.
Flanders or Pine action??
Has anyone been to Flanders or Pine in the last couple of weeks and was the talent pretty good?
I only go out probably once or twice every six months I had been going to pain but lately switch to Flanders I've been there two or three times the last two times had the same girl I think it was Lily. Great bare back bulk followed by several locations with condo.
She has a great body. She looos late 30's or even early 40's but she is tight and has great tits.
The next time I go I'm hoping for someone on the younger side.
Any suggestions??
Un Sung Superstar at Leisure Spa
I've seen the talent at Leisure Spa on CMB mentioned here, but I want to point out a particular Superstar who was not previously mentioned.
Long before COVID, I called and asked if a "young woman" was available and was told "yes, come now", so I did. As I'm lying there naked on my back and owning the room, a mature woman (still less mature than me) walks in with a very friendly attitude. We all know a walk in, or a 5-minute on my way phone call gets you what you get, so my attitude is cool enough. Besides, although I like some fun, I like massages too.
Let me tell you Amy gives you a fantastic massage with strategic teasing and casual playing along the way. Language can be a little challenging at times, but she is cheerful, and very happy to see that you are happy. I've also noticed slightly mature, women in the business tend to be pleasers too. Especially for us more "mature" men who the younger women may not think we are built like Aqua-man, look like Thor, and hung like a porn star.
I enjoyed a great massage with teasing, oil, wipe down, and to the flip. We negotiated for a little more which she lovingly took to her care. She has great hands, great technique, and is playful in her tasks. I was allowed some freedom to roam and got a warm hug on my finish.
As I laid there quite happy I stayed with her, Amy, did a wonderful foot massage to finish me off for my head to toe experience with her. This felt fantastic. She was attentive, helpful, grateful, and asked me to come back many times. The massage is great, the fun is fantastic, and the company very enjoyable. Each time she treats me like a king.
She is one of my favorites and I will continue to support her business. Someday you should let Amy show you what she can do for you. I think you'll be happy. There is a lot of talent at Leisure Spa, especially the Un Sung Superstar Amy.
Of course, YMMV, but be a "good" customer, and I think you'll be rewarded.
Bon chance, and happy hunting.
You bought a Massage place with your wife and massage spa found girlfriend?
Great advice, and if you bought a Massage place with your wife and girlfriend, well that is a Happy Ending for sure!!
[QUOTE=Bob521;5349748]You get a sixth sense. Here are a couple tips.
1. Do your research ahead of time for the shop you are visiting. Read this forum. Read rub maps. 10-20 reviews means probably HE place. 200 reviews means FS place.
2. Lie naked on the table. Face down. If she puts towel on you say not necessary.
3. When you meet the girl introduce yourself. Smile. Hold open your arms. Hug her. Be relaxed. Friendly. Not nervous.
4. When you remove junk from your pockets on the side table place 3 condoms in full view.
5. One time I was in a mood, when she came in the room I hugged her kissed her. And I said let's fuck. She said shhh! Then we fucked twice. She kept the third condom LOL.
6. After 10 minutes, Offer to massage her. If she says yes. Make sure you do a good job. Make her relax. Ask before you remove clothing.
7. Make sure you get her name and, at the end trade wechat IDs. Explain you want to see her again. Later that day send a note thanking her. Wechat and Google translate are critical apps for interacting with a girl. I also learned Chinese. That does make a good impression.
8. Eventually take her out on her day off. Shopping. Eat. Had one friend who loved Red Lobster. Get a hotel.
9. At one point I was up to 4 girlfriends. I was afraid to walk around Chicago Chinatown with a girl lest I be seen. I was popping viagra like tic tacs. I'm 68.
10. Eventually I settled down with one girl plus a wife. We bought a legit massage place.
Bob.[/QUOTE]
