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[QUOTE=Lahainawhaler]Back then were places staffed by mostly K-girls too? All I recall were the many peep shops on Hotel Street.[/QUOTE]
The shops in the late 70's -80's were mostly local, white, black, and some thai girls.
They were private clubs that needed someone to bring you in. No advertising, except for word of mouth.
Fees were .15 house .35 for the girl, no TS.
[QUOTE=Akaaka50]What is the name of the MP that is next to and Diamond Head of Champions Malasada's ?
It looks like an MP with the "Open" Sign ---- I noticed the other day when I was dropping-off my dog at the Pet Clinic.
JT[/QUOTE]
Damn, I forgot what this place was called or is called. I remember me and my friend went there and inquired and a lady came out and spoke with us. You referring to this right?
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&channel=s&hl=en&ie=UTF8&q=champions+malasada+in+honolulu&fb=1&gl=us&hq=champions+malasada&hnear=Honolulu,+HI&cid=0,0,9756325224880135537&ei=6n-JTJG0GIKmsQPlwtW1BA&ved=0CBgQnwIwAQ&ll=21.296922,-157.830419&spn=0.000947,0.002747&z=19&layer=c&cbll=21.296881,-157.830307&panoid=x-dBwF0s7h7mI4lXqGtp2A&cbp=12,23.94,,1,3.86[/url]
[QUOTE=Akaaka50]What is the name of the MP that is next to and Diamond Head of Champions Malasada's ?
It looks like an MP with the "Open" Sign ---- I noticed the other day when I was dropping-off my dog at the Pet Clinic.
JT[/QUOTE]
This link should take you to Page 169 of this thread, which contains some helpful posts:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3692&page=169&pp=15&highlight=1930+south+beretania+street[/url]
This appears to be their CL ad; it has the same phone number that was provided by John Ross back then:
[url]http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/thp/1945479865.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Akaaka50]What is the name of the MP that is next to and Diamond Head of Champions Malasada's ?
It looks like an MP with the "Open" Sign ---- I noticed the other day when I was dropping-off my dog at the Pet Clinic.
JT[/QUOTE]
It use to be called Paradise Massage if I recall correctly.
I remember seeing posts about this place. Penny is the one to see for the BB stuff.
[QUOTE=Warrior12]It use to be called Paradise Massage if I recall correctly.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Akaaka50]What is the name of the MP that is next to and Diamond Head of Champions Malasada's ?
It looks like an MP with the "Open" Sign ---- I noticed the other day when I was dropping-off my dog at the Pet Clinic.
JT[/QUOTE]
Long ago it was NARITA, then it became known as 1930. It then closed for awhile and reopened as PARADISE SPA. I believe as others have posted that it is now Massage by Penny and _______. I can't recall the other providers name, but I believe they run an ad in the Penny Saver occasionally.
Here are some tips and etiquette for visitors looking for extras in an AMP (Asian Massage Parlor). I'm one who prefers the AMPs to the other mongering options because they seem to provide a safe and relaxing environment. I wanted to share some general information in a number of sections and decided to do it here instead as more people are likely to view it and add on. I hope this can help any newbies to AMPs or jog the memory of AMP experts to dish out some tips of their own.
1) Leave Valuables and Extra Money Outside - Only take in what you need. Some places may want to see your ID. You will need money or a credit card to pay. I usually take my cell-phone, keys, and only enough money to pay for what I want. If you don't know what the charge will be, put money in different pockets or hide it in your wallet (behind a photo or something) so they don't see all your money at once. I had one girl looking in my wallet after I told her I was used to paying $100 for FS and she wanted $150. Luckily, I had already "moved" the extra money somewhere else and only paid the $100. Use the specific city forums to research and post pricing in the area you are going.
2) Entry into the AMP - Entry can be done in a number of ways. Sometimes, there is a locked door with a buzzer and sometimes you enter like a normal business. When you are greeted, smile and say hello to the person letting you in. They will most likely be the mama-san who is in charge of the girls. At some point, either at the front or in a massage room, you'll be asked what you want. Simply state "1 Hour Please" or whatever time limit you want. You'll be told a price and you should pay that to start without talking about any tips or extras. I recommend at least an hour as shorter times may cheapen your experience. 30 minutes is good if you are in a rush or short on cash. Sometimes you pay the person admitting you and sometimes it's the actual girl you pay. At this point, you aren't asking for anything other than a massage.
3) Become a Repeat Customer - This seems to be the number one factor. The providers want to make sure you are "not a cop" and once they are comfortable that you aren't, they will more than likely provide extras. I've been asked many times, "have you been here before?" and it's always good to answer "yes". If they remember you, even better. If not, try and remember the name of the person you saw before.
3a) Fake Being a Repeat Customer - If you haven't been to a particular place before, act like you have been. Get information about them in the forums for the cities you plan on visiting, or your home town. Find out the going rates for HJ, BJ, FS etc. and have the money handy. Even a little comment during the Table Shower or Sauna such as "this is my favorite part" or something along those lines will make them think you were there before. Do your research before you go!
3b) If you are a new Customer - You can tell them that you have been to other AMP's in another city. This is a good technique if you are travelling and are trying out AMP's in a new city. You can also name a competitor and say you used to go there but you moved and this one is closer or that you want to try something new. The goal is to let them know you've been to AMP's before, but that you are new to their particular establishment. Depending on the place, this may or may not lead to extras.
4) Get Fully Undressed ASAP - Yes, you will be naked. In my experience, the girl takes your door fee, leaves for a minute or more. Sometimes she will ask you to get undressed, sometimes she won't, sometimes she will and you won't understand a word she said. So use this time to take ALL of your clothes off. My first time, I was standing in my underwear and she told me to take those off too. I felt as if she knew it was my first time. So get naked and if the towel slides off, let it. It will show her that you have done this before. Be free with nudity.
5) Bring your own condom - The "purse" is a great opportunity to place a condom where she can see it. If there is no purse, lay the condom on a table or somewhere that is in view. Usually, if they are providing extras, they will provide the condom. But showing the initiative to bringing your own indicates you are there for more than a massage.
6) Shower Etiquette - Some places offer a shower where you go in yourself and wash. If they don't offer, ask if there is one. Some places take you to a table-shower where they put you on a table and wash you. Some places, the girl will wash everything including your genitals. This is a good thing. Some places may ask you to wash your own genitals and I would advise you to do so if you want them to do anything later. It is not generally appropriate to ask for extras at this time. It also helps if you know where the shower is and lead her there instead of her leading you.
7) Enjoy the Massage - It's part of the experience, and the girls usually give you a pretty good massage. If you have a stiff neck, sore legs, or something else, let her know so she can concentrate on those areas. You usually start out on your stomach and she rubs your back, legs, arms, etc. She may brush against you with her crotch, lift up her skirt and sit on your butt, and lean over brushing her body against you. Different places vary as far as touching her, but light brushing on her leg or arm aren't too intrusive and will generally let her know you are looking for extras. This isn't necessary and I usually don't "touch" her until later. This is still part of the "I'm not a cop" routine.
8) Lose the Towel - If there is a towel covering you, do everything possible to get it off of you. If it's covering your butt, roll around while she isn't near you so it gets out of position or falls to the floor. If she puts it back, lose it again. Don't be too obvious but at some point, the towel will most likely be tossed aside. If she is persistent, feel free to ask "no towel please" or something along those lines.
9) Become Aroused - Usually, the girl will try to get you aroused. She'll lighten up the touch a little around your buttocks and brush your skin gently. Shift yourself if you do become aroused to "let her know" that you need room to grow. If you aren't getting aroused, shift yourself anyway to "fake" getting aroused. This will let her know that your johnson is growing and you are getting ready. She may even reach underneath and lend a helping hand if you are lucky.
10) Wait to Flip Over - At some point, she'll ask you to flip over. When she does, simply flip over onto your back. You may or may not be aroused at this point. Either way, she'll know and she'll do everything she legally knows how to make sure you get aroused. This is a time to smile and enjoy her expertise.
11) The "Tip" - The girl will usually ask if there is anything else she can do for you or if you are "OK". This is where you say what you want (HJ, BJ, FS) or make the HJ, BJ, FS "motions". She'll either say how much or just ask you for money. This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS. Keep in mind that you can always negotiate and it may vary depending on where in the USA, or world, you are. She may leave for a minute or two or she may just start right there. The key to negotiating is getting a fair value. If you offer $20 for FS and she accepts, it will probably be the worst FS ever. If you overpay, then you ruin the great value of the AMP. So try not to stray too far above or below the going rate. I usually offer at the low end (i.e. $100 for FS) and say that's what I'm used to paying. Tell her what you want and a price you want to pay. She'll most likely be reluctant to give you pricing.
12) The Fun Part - When she returns (or starts), it's generally acceptable that you can now touch her. She may or may not like you to and you have to respect her individual level of comfort. I've had girls get completely naked, sit between my legs, and give me a HJ as well as one that stands there fully clothed doing it. I can't predict what will happen but this will affect your decision to return or not return. If you are getting BJ or FS, she will most likely provide and put on the condom (which I recommend) and she'll start. If you brought your own, she may use that one. Again, if you want to be on top, do it doggie-style, or want her on top, they are generally open to how you want to do it.
13) Variations - If you are into DATY or other things, be up front with it. I've done DATY on a number of girls and some get into it and some don't. Some enjoy when you touch and finger them and some don't. Some will let you massage them and some won't. I've never looked for Anal so I can't give advice on that. Some places will only give HJ. So be aware and look for advice in your local forums.
14) Happy Ending - After the ending, she'll usually clean you up or get rid of the condom if there was one used. Sometimes, a hot towel, a beverage, and even mouthwash are provided. If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly. If you feel cheated out of your time, feel free to express your opinion.
15) Be Polite - I use this motto in life, but the providers are people just like you and me, and they like being treated with respect. During the massage, try giving out a compliment such as "that feels nice" or "your hands are so soft" instead of something like "you have nice tits" or "I can't wait to f**k you". I find that being nice goes a lot farther than acting like an ass. Talk to them like you'd talk to a new friend.
Most of these rules do not apply to Hawaii. Especially rule #11. Only a fool would tip first. As far as #1, I don't think any AMP here takes credit cards and you would be a idiot to use one. But I do agree with being nice to the girls and Mama. Especially the mama.
[QUOTE=Bobby Gunn]Here are some tips and etiquette for visitors looking for extras in an AMP (Asian Massage Parlor). I'm one who prefers the AMPs to the other mongering options because they seem to provide a safe and relaxing environment. I wanted to share some general information in a number of sections and decided to do it here instead as more people are likely to view it and add on. I hope this can help any newbies to AMPs or jog the memory of AMP experts to dish out some tips of their own.
1) Leave Valuables and Extra Money Outside - Only take in what you need. Some places may want to see your ID. You will need money or a credit card to pay. I usually take my cell-phone, keys, and only enough money to pay for what I want. If you don't know what the charge will be, put money in different pockets or hide it in your wallet (behind a photo or something) so they don't see all your money at once. I had one girl looking in my wallet after I told her I was used to paying $100 for FS and she wanted $150. Luckily, I had already "moved" the extra money somewhere else and only paid the $100. Use the specific city forums to research and post pricing in the area you are going.
2) Entry into the AMP - Entry can be done in a number of ways. Sometimes, there is a locked door with a buzzer and sometimes you enter like a normal business. When you are greeted, smile and say hello to the person letting you in. They will most likely be the mama-san who is in charge of the girls. At some point, either at the front or in a massage room, you'll be asked what you want. Simply state "1 Hour Please" or whatever time limit you want. You'll be told a price and you should pay that to start without talking about any tips or extras. I recommend at least an hour as shorter times may cheapen your experience. 30 minutes is good if you are in a rush or short on cash. Sometimes you pay the person admitting you and sometimes it's the actual girl you pay. At this point, you aren't asking for anything other than a massage.
3) Become a Repeat Customer - This seems to be the number one factor. The providers want to make sure you are "not a cop" and once they are comfortable that you aren't, they will more than likely provide extras. I've been asked many times, "have you been here before?" and it's always good to answer "yes". If they remember you, even better. If not, try and remember the name of the person you saw before.
3a) Fake Being a Repeat Customer - If you haven't been to a particular place before, act like you have been. Get information about them in the forums for the cities you plan on visiting, or your home town. Find out the going rates for HJ, BJ, FS etc. and have the money handy. Even a little comment during the Table Shower or Sauna such as "this is my favorite part" or something along those lines will make them think you were there before. Do your research before you go!
3b) If you are a new Customer - You can tell them that you have been to other AMP's in another city. This is a good technique if you are travelling and are trying out AMP's in a new city. You can also name a competitor and say you used to go there but you moved and this one is closer or that you want to try something new. The goal is to let them know you've been to AMP's before, but that you are new to their particular establishment. Depending on the place, this may or may not lead to extras.
4) Get Fully Undressed ASAP - Yes, you will be naked. In my experience, the girl takes your door fee, leaves for a minute or more. Sometimes she will ask you to get undressed, sometimes she won't, sometimes she will and you won't understand a word she said. So use this time to take ALL of your clothes off. My first time, I was standing in my underwear and she told me to take those off too. I felt as if she knew it was my first time. So get naked and if the towel slides off, let it. It will show her that you have done this before. Be free with nudity.
5) Bring your own condom - The "purse" is a great opportunity to place a condom where she can see it. If there is no purse, lay the condom on a table or somewhere that is in view. Usually, if they are providing extras, they will provide the condom. But showing the initiative to bringing your own indicates you are there for more than a massage.
6) Shower Etiquette - Some places offer a shower where you go in yourself and wash. If they don't offer, ask if there is one. Some places take you to a table-shower where they put you on a table and wash you. Some places, the girl will wash everything including your genitals. This is a good thing. Some places may ask you to wash your own genitals and I would advise you to do so if you want them to do anything later. It is not generally appropriate to ask for extras at this time. It also helps if you know where the shower is and lead her there instead of her leading you.
7) Enjoy the Massage - It's part of the experience, and the girls usually give you a pretty good massage. If you have a stiff neck, sore legs, or something else, let her know so she can concentrate on those areas. You usually start out on your stomach and she rubs your back, legs, arms, etc. She may brush against you with her crotch, lift up her skirt and sit on your butt, and lean over brushing her body against you. Different places vary as far as touching her, but light brushing on her leg or arm aren't too intrusive and will generally let her know you are looking for extras. This isn't necessary and I usually don't "touch" her until later. This is still part of the "I'm not a cop" routine.
8) Lose the Towel - If there is a towel covering you, do everything possible to get it off of you. If it's covering your butt, roll around while she isn't near you so it gets out of position or falls to the floor. If she puts it back, lose it again. Don't be too obvious but at some point, the towel will most likely be tossed aside. If she is persistent, feel free to ask "no towel please" or something along those lines.
9) Become Aroused - Usually, the girl will try to get you aroused. She'll lighten up the touch a little around your buttocks and brush your skin gently. Shift yourself if you do become aroused to "let her know" that you need room to grow. If you aren't getting aroused, shift yourself anyway to "fake" getting aroused. This will let her know that your johnson is growing and you are getting ready. She may even reach underneath and lend a helping hand if you are lucky.
10) Wait to Flip Over - At some point, she'll ask you to flip over. When she does, simply flip over onto your back. You may or may not be aroused at this point. Either way, she'll know and she'll do everything she legally knows how to make sure you get aroused. This is a time to smile and enjoy her expertise.
11) The "Tip" - The girl will usually ask if there is anything else she can do for you or if you are "OK". This is where you say what you want (HJ, BJ, FS) or make the HJ, BJ, FS "motions". She'll either say how much or just ask you for money. This is where knowing the going rate is handy. It's usually $40-$60 for HJ, $80-$100 for BJ, and $100-$140 for FS. Keep in mind that you can always negotiate and it may vary depending on where in the USA, or world, you are. She may leave for a minute or two or she may just start right there. The key to negotiating is getting a fair value. If you offer $20 for FS and she accepts, it will probably be the worst FS ever. If you overpay, then you ruin the great value of the AMP. So try not to stray too far above or below the going rate. I usually offer at the low end (i.e. $100 for FS) and say that's what I'm used to paying. Tell her what you want and a price you want to pay. She'll most likely be reluctant to give you pricing.
12) The Fun Part - When she returns (or starts), it's generally acceptable that you can now touch her. She may or may not like you to and you have to respect her individual level of comfort. I've had girls get completely naked, sit between my legs, and give me a HJ as well as one that stands there fully clothed doing it. I can't predict what will happen but this will affect your decision to return or not return. If you are getting BJ or FS, she will most likely provide and put on the condom (which I recommend) and she'll start. If you brought your own, she may use that one. Again, if you want to be on top, do it doggie-style, or want her on top, they are generally open to how you want to do it.
13) Variations - If you are into DATY or other things, be up front with it. I've done DATY on a number of girls and some get into it and some don't. Some enjoy when you touch and finger them and some don't. Some will let you massage them and some won't. I've never looked for Anal so I can't give advice on that. Some places will only give HJ. So be aware and look for advice in your local forums.
14) Happy Ending - After the ending, she'll usually clean you up or get rid of the condom if there was one used. Sometimes, a hot towel, a beverage, and even mouthwash are provided. If you paid for an hour and you finish early, you may or may not get the full time limit. Some girls will continue the massage, some will tell you to get dressed. This is another area where different places differ greatly. If you feel cheated out of your time, feel free to express your opinion.
15) Be Polite - I use this motto in life, but the providers are people just like you and me, and they like being treated with respect. During the massage, try giving out a compliment such as "that feels nice" or "your hands are so soft" instead of something like "you have nice tits" or "I can't wait to f**k you". I find that being nice goes a lot farther than acting like an ass. Talk to them like you'd talk to a new friend.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mipene77]Most of these rules do not apply to Hawaii. Especially rule #11. Only a fool would tip first. As far as #1, I don't think any AMP here takes credit cards and you would be a idiot to use one. But I do agree with being nice to the girls and Mama. Especially the mama.[/QUOTE]
I think this is a great reference guide to anybody that is new to the hobby as it provides some pretty insightful intel that may not be shared by seasoned mongers that have they're panties in a bunch and many of the points in the guide do apply to Hawaii. Ive been hobbying for over 30 years visited South America, the Carribean, and SouthEast Asia many times over and still use many of the points in the guide. Like everything else your going to live and learn, and, it may cost you. For the noob's out there, here's to you......Happy Mongering!!!
[QUOTE=Mipene77]Most of these rules do not apply to Hawaii. Especially rule #11. Only a fool would tip first. As far as #1, I don't think any AMP here takes credit cards and you would be a idiot to use one. But I do agree with being nice to the girls and Mama. Especially the mama.[/QUOTE]
Actually rule #1 is probably the most important. Its to keep you safe from any type of robbery inside the MP. Yes there are girls that rob customers and there has been incidents where a MP got robbed including the customers. Although today most places already assume the business, some places or sometimes they will be cautious. Perhaps Mipene they had a bad vibe about you at Hanabi so they sent in an expert(Hanabi) to screen you, maybe. The part about only a fool would tip first, well some girls will ask for the tip first and can be very pushy about it. I myself wouldn't but you got to understand that it can be very hard for a lot of people to decline services ATM, especially if she already showered them.
Thanks for All the 411 on 1930 S. Beretania.
JT
[QUOTE=Stangman808]Long ago it was NARITA, then it became known as 1930. It then closed for awhile and reopened as PARADISE SPA. I believe as others have posted that it is now Massage by Penny and _______. I can't recall the other providers name, but I believe they run an ad in the Penny Saver occasionally.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree with you about the possible robbery. But whenever I go to an AMP I always take my wallet into the shower with me. I just tell the girl that I trust her but not the other people there. I have mongered for twenty years and never got robbed. But I guess there is always a first time.
Oh and yea I think they did have a bad vibe at Hannabi about me. Maybe they thought I was a cop, who knows. That's OK I will never go back.
And I never pay upfront even after a shower or even if the girl gets up in the middle of the session to reach in my pants to get the money. That happened to me once. The girl got up and started going through my pants to get to my wallet. I grabbed her by the arm looked her straight in the eye and told her to never do that again to me or anybody else and then I got dressed and told Mama about it. I told mama that she should teach her girls more respect for her customers. Mama gave me another girl.
[QUOTE=Blade82]Actually rule #1 is probably the most important. Its to keep you safe from any type of robbery inside the MP. Yes there are girls that rob customers and there has been incidents where a MP got robbed including the customers. Although today most places already assume the business, some places or sometimes they will be cautious. Perhaps Mipene they had a bad vibe about you at Hanabi so they sent in an expert(Hanabi) to screen you, maybe. The part about only a fool would tip first, well some girls will ask for the tip first and can be very pushy about it. I myself wouldn't but you got to understand that it can be very hard for a lot of people to decline services ATM, especially if she already showered them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gloriusbasterd]Believe it or not, I have used CC at AMPs on the Mainland and even at ones that got busted, the day after I used one! And nothing ever transpired because of it!
I believe it's a myth! You actually have to be caught in the act of fornication to get busted!
The only thing that a credit card proves is that you're a big tipper. Nothing else! And even if they did call you in, how can they prove fornication? They cannot! It's a myth!
Glorius Basterd[/QUOTE]One does not have to be caught in the act...cops lie all the time....."yeah, he was caught in the act" when in fact he was not. Everyday, somewhere, some place, a cop is getting arrested or going to jail for being dirty.
[QUOTE=Mipene77]Yes, I agree with you about the possible robbery. But whenever I go to an AMP I always take my wallet into the shower with me. I just tell the girl that I trust her but not the other people there. I have mongered for twenty years and never got robbed. But I guess there is always a first time.
Oh and yea I think they did have a bad vibe at Hannabi about me. Maybe they thought I was a cop, who knows. That's OK I will never go back.
And I never pay upfront even after a shower or even if the girl gets up in the middle of the session to reach in my pants to get the money. That happened to me once. The girl got up and started going through my pants to get to my wallet. I grabbed her by the arm looked her straight in the eye and told her to never do that again to me or anybody else and then I got dressed and told Mama about it. I told mama that she should teach her girls more respect for her customers. Mama gave me another girl.[/QUOTE]Gesh. Never ever pay up front! Fools pay up front.
If she demands up front payment, walk out and go to another place! They are all over the place.
How many times have YOU paid up front and been disappointed with the service or technique? Or the massage?
I do not stiff 'them, but if the service was lacking in quality, or was suppose to be a BBBJ and was not. I'll pay her, but not what she wanted. And if it was exceptional, I'll pay a few bucks more. But never ever up front. Been disappointed to many times! And the few places that I go to often. Know that I pay after and not up front and the reason why.
If I go to a place. First time. They don't know me and vice versa. I still won't pay up front.
A buddy of mine takes his 50 or 100 bill and tears it in half and gives her one half and the other when done. Tape it together. Banks accept it.
When I was in Redondo Beach, my favorite AMP was RB Spa. I went there numerous times because of the talent there. Anyway, when I was seeing my atf at a nearby Massage parlor, I was told that RB was robbed the night before and two providers were killed in the robbery!
Ladies, do not argue with the robbers, when being robbed, cooperate with them 100%. Nothing amount of money is worth dying over!
I could have very easily have been there that night! Scary thought!
Waikikian