"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FScott;3635015]Dial back a little on the Red Bull?[/QUOTE]One of the more common requests I hear from POTS is "what I really want is not just the hookups / sex, but a true friend, someone I can talk to and hang out with". Blah blah. I have had to discontinue discussions with so many just because either I can't get them to think outside that box, or I just wrote them off as looking for something a little too real. Also, any indication of neediness is a turn off for me.

Funny thing is, I've NEVER seen an escort write something like that in her web ads.

I guess we can conclude all females are hookers of various price ranges. Every decent looking female on the planet is interested in a successful guy, a provider of security, a man to put them in that house on the hill. Whether they come out and say it directly or not, they understand the economics of things and realize that the currency for that on their side of the barter is pussy. So by that definition there pretty much is no such thing as a female that's not a prostitute then. Let's just change the sign on the restrooms to say Men and For Rent.

[QUOTE=FScott;3635015]Dial back a little on the Red Bull?[/QUOTE]A2 has been special lately, but he's right. Poster below says he's not looking for a prostitute, a person that sells sex. Instead he's looking for a sugar baby, a person that sells sex.

[QUOTE=Grafenberg;3635441]Poster below says he's not looking for a prostitute, a person that sells sex. Instead he's looking for a sugar baby, a person that sells sex.[/QUOTE]I must be using the wrong terms. Of the women who sell sex, isn't there some word you'd use to differentiate between ones who will sell it to any guy who has the money and ones who will only sell it to a guy who has the money and also has something else they're looking for (looks, personality, etc)?

Most of my post history is about BackPage girls so I clearly like both, but they do seem different.

[QUOTE=TwoDirection;3635481]I must be using the wrong terms. Of the women who sell sex, isn't there some word you'd use to differentiate between ones who will sell it to any guy who has the money and ones who will only sell it to a guy who has the money and also has something else they're looking for (looks, personality, etc)?

Most of my post history is about BackPage girls so I clearly like both, but they do seem different.[/QUOTE]There is a difference. Even among SBs, there is a promiscuity scale of sorts, and an SB can fall anywhere on that scale. However our perspectives are formed by our own experiences, and not everyone plays at all ends of the scale. Of course if one only has a hammer the whole world looks like a nail.

I saw a similar topic on the Orlando board. I don't understand the friction between people looking for straight pay for play and people looking for more of a connection. I don't think either view is right or wrong, it depends on what's right for you.

I see no problem with straight pay for play. It's quick, certain, discreet with little to no risk of getting involved. It's the best move for people with significant risks from SOs without the time, money or patience to hunt for a "girlfriend for hire SB". This also offers variety.

I prefer more of a connection, but admit it has put me at risk for emotional ties that get complicated. It can be very difficult to extract yourself once emotions are involved, but the connection and passion is a drug for me. I appreciate other people's warnings not to get emotionally involved with an SB, but it happens more than you may think after seeing someone for a while. I've always been able to walk away, but they can get very attached.

I think many girls on SA are looking for rich boy friends or at least richer than their deadbeat age appropriate male counterparts. Not surprisingly, many young women today are attracted to the confidence and wealth of successful older men. This has been the case since the beginning of time. Women are drawn to strong confident men that can protect and care for them.

Calling any woman that considers financial stability and benefits in selecting a mate a hooker, would make most married women hookers! LOL The whole legal definition of marriage is based on financial support and intimacy, implying pay for play.

I think it is beneficial to discuss the merits and risks of any approach as well as the best techniques to achieve your goal. That's what I think this board is all about.

[QUOTE=TwoDirection;3635481]I must be using the wrong terms. Of the women who sell sex, isn't there some word you'd use to differentiate between ones who will sell it to any guy who has the money and ones who will only sell it to a guy who has the money and also has something else they're looking for (looks, personality, etc)?

Most of my post history is about BackPage girls so I clearly like both, but they do seem different.[/QUOTE]

It's a simple equation.

Time = $$.

A pro values every minute of her time and put a dollar figure on accordingly.

SBs who don't think of themselves as professional sex workers, expect you to invest time outside of sexual activities with them. Dinner, chatting, "mentoring", helping them get renters insurance.

In exchange for that time, when you do have sex it's at a discounted rate relative to a pro.

So in effect, the SD's are now the ones selling their time to fuck for someone at $100 a pop instead of escort rate of 350+ for a pop.

Our time is valuable, and we're trading it and the time we invested in accumulating knowledge and success for a discount on pussy.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;3635843]It's a simple equation.

Time = $$.

A pro values every minute of her time and put a dollar figure on accordingly.

SBs who don't think of themselves as professional sex workers, expect you to invest time outside of sexual activities with them. Dinner, chatting, "mentoring", helping them get renters insurance.

In exchange for that time, when you do have sex it's at a discounted rate relative to a pro.

So in effect, the SD's are now the ones selling their time to fuck for someone at $100 a pop instead of escort rate of 350+ for a pop.

Our time is valuable, and we're trading it and the time we invested in accumulating knowledge and success for a discount on pussy.[/QUOTE]Beyond the discount, some SBs will not accept cash directly, they want "security" (I. E. A boyfriend they can move in with, etc). I had one literally get pissed and storm off when I suggested giving her some cash after a couple of rounds of sex (I wanted to get some sleep and really wanted her to leave so I could). Between talking to her the next day after she calmed down, I smoothed things over and got a better picture of what she was looking for. Later on, after some googling on her real name, I saw where she had posted on a roomate seeking forum that she was having trouble securing an apartment, because even though she was able to pay 6 months rent in advance, nobody would rent to her due to bad credit history. She didn't need cash, she needed someone to help her straighten her life out overall.

I tend to see my SB 3-4 times a month, usually on a Sat or Sun night. I almost always book a room using the Priceline app so I can prepay for the room and I have found that it's almost always the cheapest. I often use the express deals option (you know how many stars it's rated and the general area of town but not the hotel name) but can usually tell what hotel it is ahead of time. I live in the same city I book the room and rarely do I get asked why I am booking a room if I live in town until recently. The last three places I have used all asked me. I try to mix up the hotels so I don't frequent one too often although some of the hotel clerks are starting to recognize me. What excuse do you use if you have a similar situation? I have even gone as far as considering putting a fake change of address sticker on my drivers license but have decided that may be a bad idea.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3636072]Beyond the discount, some SBs will not accept cash directly, they want "security" Between talking to her the next day after she calmed down, I smoothed things over and got a better picture of what she was looking for. She didn't need cash, she needed someone to help her straighten her life out overall.[/QUOTE]The cashless transactions are the best, but super rare.

I had a recent grad SB in DC move from Wyoming to the big bad city to be sexually abused by her Senator as a press aide.

When she moved into her own place with a roommate, she could barely afford 1st, last and security deposit.

My in-laws recently moved out of their house, so I packed up all their small appliances and a few pieces of furniture and had them delivered to her new place.

For the next 3 months, every time I visited DC, she pretty much all but tied herself to the bed for the afternoon.

[QUOTE=MikeYepthatsm;3636163]. I live in the same city I book the room and rarely do I get asked why I am booking a room if I live in town until recently. The last three places I have used all asked me. I try to mix up the hotels so I don't frequent one too often although some of the hotel clerks are starting to recognize me. What excuse do you use if you have a similar situation? [/QUOTE]1) My house is undergoing serious renovations.

2) House is being fumigated.

3) I'm meeting my wife for a quiet night away from the kids.

4) I recently moved but came back to look over some renovations before I list it (that works for multiple visits to the same hotel).

5) I recently moved away, but still have clients / business in town.

6) Fuck off.

7) If your SB has a credit or debit card in her name, offer to the book the room in her name. They will run her card -- but charge nothing -- as a backstop against too much room service or porn. If you know your SB well enough and have established trust, this won't be an issue. Older SBs understand and are happy to help. Worst case scenario, buy a [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] gift card (Sam's sells them at a discount) and give it to her when you meet for lunch and she can book and used the GC and won't have to tell you her name.

I have to restrict my fun to daytime playtime during the week, so early check in is key. I usually call the hotel, explain I'm flying someone in from far away for an interview / presentation at the you (I live in a college town, connecting air service or multi-hour drive from any major markets) and ask A) how early can she check in so she can shower and change for the meeting / Interview. I'll often offer to pay and stop by in person and pay in cash and check in under her name. Meet for lunch, slip her the key and have her go straight to the room with a bag (lingerie, etc.).

If I play my cards right, I can do the doubleheader and fuck her in the afternoon and then again the next AM before 11 AM check out time. If she actually does drive to see me, she can stay over and enjoy the visit.

[QUOTE=MikeYepthatsm;3636163]I tend to see my SB 3-4 times a month, usually on a Sat or Sun night. I almost always book a room using the Priceline app so I can prepay for the room and I have found that it's almost always the cheapest. I often use the express deals option (you know how many stars it's rated and the general area of town but not the hotel name) but can usually tell what hotel it is ahead of time. I live in the same city I book the room and rarely do I get asked why I am booking a room if I live in town until recently. The last three places I have used all asked me. I try to mix up the hotels so I don't frequent one too often although some of the hotel clerks are starting to recognize me. What excuse do you use if you have a similar situation? I have even gone as far as considering putting a fake change of address sticker on my drivers license but have decided that may be a bad idea.[/QUOTE]I only had that happen once during my sd career. I said a friend in the area was having a big birthday party and I wanted somewhere to take a cheap uber to and crash after. I live fairly out in the country so it was plausible that an uber from there to my house was a good deal more than a cheap room at a super 8. Other than that I've never had it questioned.

I agree with Madaboutmax (post 14435 below) completely.

Just to add, an SB (in my opinion) will kiss you on the lips, hug and caress you, enjoy spending time with you, and show some affection, and usually enjoy sex. Some regular pros enjoy sex, too (we see the reports on USASG), but it's much less common that they do, I think.

After more than a year off from my SB (Mary), we seem to know what the relationship is and what it is not. The affection has limits and that's a good thing. Obviously, I'm paying for that, but that's ok and it's worth it to me.

I've done the straight pay to play arrangements many times in my life. When I was younger, I preferred that and I liked the variety. Now I'm more sedate and find promiscuity bewildering. It's not "bad", it's just not for me anymore. Also, I am presently at the peak of my earning powers. I think I'll retire in 5 to 7 years, my income will drop and then no more SB for me, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Snake27;3636796] Also, I am presently at the peak of my earning powers. I think I'll retire in 5 to 7 years, my income will drop and then no more SB for me, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

With my current SO, I can only speculate about how I'll handle sugar dating during retirement . I've thought about the idea of buying a rental condo in some mediocre resort location as a ruse to sneak away to check on the property for a couple days at a time (somewhere the SO won't want to visit with me).

In terms of lower earning years, I think I'd rather keep working, even at a reduced wage, just to keep the pussy flowing.

I've been extraordinarily fortunate so far with aging, still able to pass for much younger than I am -- people guess my age 15-20 years lower. But mother nature is a vindictive cunl and I'm sure she will catch up with me eventually. There is no way I'm going to have the opportunities for premium girls for unspecified gift amounts or free pussy that I have now when I'm 80, so I will assume that I'm going to need even more income at that age than I have now! Maybe retirement income + SS + part time somewhere?

Back when I was much younger, and we didn't have the conveniences to sugar dating that are now afforded by technology, every time I saw some old man that looked about 80+ that's still working, I used to ask myself "why? But now I understand.

[QUOTE=MikeYepthatsm;3636163]I The last three places I have used all asked me. I try to mix up the hotels so I don't frequent one too often although some of the hotel clerks are starting to recognize me. What excuse do you use if you have a similar situation? I have even gone as far as considering putting a fake change of address sticker on my drivers license but have decided that may be a bad idea.[/QUOTE]My answer. Real openly. Have you ever tried a good night of sex with the Mrs, when the teenage kids stay up till 2 am? So we want some private time.

Just much easier than having to remember a fake name. The hotel employees don't care, UNTIL you create troubles. A friend of me running one of the 4 star hotels locally. We had MR x coming every Wednesday with his mistress / SB. One day the mistress acted like a ***** to the front staff, my friend. Solved it a very nice way. He sent a letter to Mr & the real Mrs X, apologizing that the staff were not mor courteous and he would get his next weekly visit free. Ofcourse he never saw Mr X anymore, but that is the price a bitching Mistress / SB will cost you.

Hell one time I even brought lunch to the front desk staff, saying, don't mind the noise we wil make this afternoon. (next visit I was upgraded to a suite).

The hotel staff has seen it all, and they prefer an honest client.

As I posted a few weeks ago I decided to re-up my SA membership and I am sooo glad I did!

I am currently talking via text with a dozen young ladies all of whom meet my criteria. Petite, younger than 25 and DTF. I have done coffee or lunch with 4 and have had 3 back to my place for real fun. 1 of them I have now seen twice and will continue to see a few times a month. She may become the one. She is Asian, 22,5'0" but very feminine. She is beyond GFE, killer BBBJCIM, DATY, CFS very tight & clean kitty and makes the best sounds and expletives while being pounded. She is 1 of the best experiences I have had with any kind of provider.

And its even better that she likes to go eat before or after our dates and hang out cuddling (and 420) on the couch for hours binging netflix.

The damage is a bit higher than most escorts $$$ but not the most I haave had to shell out.

On top of that I have reached out to almost 50 women and am seeing a higher rate of responses this time around.

I think young women are finally coming to the realization that this is a good way to make extra money and it doesn't seem to have the stigma that it once had.

This is a great time to be in the RVA sugarbowl!

Have fun. Be safe!