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[QUOTE=Slim]Okay, I've posted myself that I always thought this was possible, but not with the complete takeover that you are describing. This is the scariest thing I've ever heard and is going to give me a long pause before I make my next call.[/QUOTE]I understand your concern. But I do have first hand experience that this exactly how it went down in Wayne County in MI. Here is a link to the Detroit Free Press article that lists it out clearly (unfortunately ... the link has expired now) ...... but I have the relevant text from it .... This particular bust happened in December 2009.
http: //freep.com/article/20091217/NEWS02/91217049/1318/Online-prostitution-trysts-land-22-in-trouble-with-Wayne-Co.-sheriffs
This is an excerpt from the article ....
[quote]Forget street corners. Prostitutes have an arguably cleaner spot to pick up clients: the Internet.
Wayne County Sheriff’s officials cited 22 people as part of a four-day sting aimed at busting prostitutes posting online classified ads in search of customers.
“I think people believe it’s a little more difficult for us to track, but it isn’t,” Sheriff Benny Napoleon said this afternoon of the shift from streetcorner solicitation to cyberspace.
According to Napoleon, the rendezvouses typically are set up at hotel rooms during lunch breaks and after work hours. All but one of the solicitors was female; the exception was a man posing as a woman, Napoleon said.
The women charged between $250 and $400 per hour for a sexual encounter, officials said.
“You just go on a Web site,” said Chief of Operations Ray Washington. “Everything’s on the Internet.”
The sting worked like this, Washington said: Undercover officers scoured the Web and found dozens of solicitation ads on Web sites such as Craigslist.com. The officers exchanged e-mails with the solicitor, then set up a time and place to meet in person for the money-for-sex exchange.
When the solicitors greeted the officers, they were arrested, after which sheriff’s officials took over their online operation and posed as the prostitute in order to arrest johns.
The Monday-Thursday sting resulted in 10 citations for accosting and soliciting; three citations for offering to engage; four citations for aiding and abetting; one citation for receiving and admitting, and four citations for loitering on private property.[/quote]
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Here's my take.
Budget cuts.
All public services are looking at funding and personnel cuts. The Cook County sheriff’s department can plus up their arrest numbers and make it look like they are doing something and are essential by making prostitution arrests that are targeting women on the edge financially and their clients who know they are breaking the law. They bend any and all evidentiary and due process rules to make an arrest.
Worst case for them, the cases get thrown out of court and the already stressed tax payers assume the court costs. Or eventually some cop who was on the bubble anyway gets moved up the list to be laid off. Do you think Tom Dart cares if he looses a few of his least effective officers in order to save his best crusaders?
If the right wing moral majority really cared about people in general they would support health care reform and taxation and treatment for those addicted to vices instead of putting more people in the crime university that is our penal system.
After mongering for many years I must admit that I have only met a handful of Women who love their work. Most view it as a means to overcome a lack of education, poor language skills or few real talents. Does that make them criminals or just practical?
LE any comment?
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That's pretty stupid...at least if LE is patrolling the streets they are in a much better position to respond to an important call/incident...in a hotel room busting Johns they're just a waste of money.
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Rent's Due
[QUOTE=Past Tense]Budget cuts.
All public services are looking at funding and personnel cuts. The Cook County sheriff’s department can plus up their arrest numbers and make it look like they are doing something and are essential by making prostitution arrests that are targeting women on the edge financially and their clients who know they are breaking the law. They bend any and all evidentiary and due process rules to make an arrest.
Worst case for them, the cases get thrown out of court and the already stressed tax payers assume the court costs. Or eventually some cop who was on the bubble anyway gets moved up the list to be laid off. Do you think Tom Dart cares if he looses a few of his least effective officers in order to save his best crusaders?
If the right wing moral majority really cared about people in general they would support health care reform and taxation and treatment for those addicted to vices instead of putting more people in the crime university that is our penal system.
After mongering for many years I must admit that I have only met a handful of Women who love their work. Most view it as a means to overcome a lack of education, poor language skills or few real talents. Does that make them criminals or just practical?
LE any comment?[/QUOTE]
PT:
We’re on the same page. I just posted a response to F. Blaster over in the Massage Parlor Reports about our collective concern for the girls who take care of us. They are having a hard time right now, with the economy in the crapper and LE around the corner.
IMHO, we all need to be extra careful, but if we cut back too far on our activities, LE wins, by default. I talked to a girl in an AMP who was afraid she might not make her rent. She’s one of your “women on the edge financially”. Business is bad, she said, and it is. If we all stay home, the girls go hungry. And as you pointed out, a lot of them don’t have the language skills or education to make it other way.
My point. We need to hang together through the hard times. We all need to be careful, yes, but let's take care of the girls who take care of us.
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Be careful out there:
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[QUOTE=Deizel5]That's pretty stupid. At least if LE is patrolling the streets they are in a much better position to respond to an important call/incident. In a hotel room busting Johns they're just a waste of money.[/QUOTE]Lets look at that for a moment. At an average the sheriff's dept makes about 2-3K per client busted. If they do a 4 day sting operation and bust about 22-33 people, that is a tidy sum of money for not doing too much work.
It is like Past Tense says. It is a money issue. That is all it is. Wayne county in MI did not care less about busting prostitutes and Johns. Since the economy has started to go south. They are all suddenly very interested in both:
1 Making money for the Sheriffs office
2 Showing some politicians who are screaming to cut costs in the PD. That crime has just gone up (look at the new busts we are making). How do you expect us to pull officers off the road. We need more officers right now.
Very cute. It seems to be working well for them.
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Dylan
Here's a quick review of Dylan.
I saw her last week. She is an attractive woman, more MILF than I usually go for. Very enthusiastic, very oral. No rush at all.
I would repeat.
[url]http://www.delightfullyyoursdylan.com/[/url]
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Black & Sexy!
Recently saw the following provider. Not sure what name she goes by. Pictures are accurate. Everything is covered, but she can work it! Multiple positions, all around great time! Safe, easy to setup a visit, down to earth & all in all a good time
[url]http://chicago.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/i-want-to-lick-you-from-your-head-to-your-toes/5066378[/url]
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Uptown Saturday Night
Bored, and with some free time, I went trucking for some phucking. Called TP, set up an appointment for 10pm, at chicago location. Traffic was terrible on 94, so I missed my appointment. I called to let him know, and rescheduled, but in Schaumburg. I figured, since I've never been to that location, might as well check it out. I get there, and the girl....excuse me, grandmother, is a little bit too old for me. She was slim, and probably had a nice body, but she looked like she was in her late 40's. Now if she was slim, with a nice body, and in her early 40's? I would, but she wasn't, so we didn't.
Heading back dt, I pull out my phone, and viewed some ads on backpage. I called this one:
[QUOTE=Dynomutt] Hi Guy
xxx-xxx-xxxx
I am a beautiful Busty blonde! I am soft spoken & sweet natured but Never too shy to bring out my Wild side. I love to get naughty and am waiting for your companionship………….
100% ReaL PicS
Garaunteed Fun….Don’t Miss This
Call 4 $izzlin $pecial$............
xxx-xxx-xxxx
My measurements
36-26-38
All Natural DD’s
I am 5’4” 130lbs
Poster's age: 21
• Location: Michigan Ave
• Post ID: 5052329
[url]http://chicago.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/blonde-bikini-bombhell-whatever-u-wanna-do-21/5052329[/url][/QUOTE]
She picks up, we chat for a sec, and she gives me her location. The donation was not posted in her ad, so I was skeptical. I get to the nice hotel, around the financial district, and head to her room. She opens the door, and let's me in. She seems nice, and her pictures are 100% real, recent too! She's a bottle blonde, and is thick, but not fat. She tells me the donation for the half hour, without checking to see if I'm LE. This draws a red flag in my mind, why would she just blurt out her price, without questioning me one bit? My spidey senses start tingling, and I decide to abort plan. She is cool with that, and says, "well, have a good night."
I think she is legit. Well, the photos are, and recent too; but being a seasoned AAMP guy has me accustomed to discussing, and leaving donations in a quieter manner. Maybe she really is 21, and hasn't developed the proper decorum yet? If that's the case, I feel bad, because I should have told her why I changed my mind so abruptly, and she would have learned from the situation. Now, if she was LE? Well, then I left there counting my lucky charms.
From the hotel, i went to Industrial Strip. I spent my hobby money, on tail offering no chance of extras. After getting into this hobby, I often wonder why strip clubs exist? Oh, now I remember. It's stress-free = legal.
P.S. Now, if someone's planning to TOFTT. I can guarantee you the blonde's pics are a 100% percent real, but that's all I can guarantee.
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[QUOTE=Heathwood]Here's a quick review of Dylan.
I saw her last week. She is an attractive woman, more MILF than I usually go for. Very enthusiastic, very oral. No rush at all.
I would repeat.
[url]http://www.delightfullyyoursdylan.com/[/url][/QUOTE]I agree I have seen Dylan a few times now. She is a good appt and is game for most anything in bed with a very liberal menu. She however does not really look like her pics, she definitely looks a lot older now. She is not bad looking however and her appt is definitely very enthusiastic and fun. I will see her again.
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[QUOTE=TheWoodButcher]Anyone ever seen either of these girls? The blonde seems to good to be true but has reviews on another site, not that that means to much these days.[/QUOTE]If you are still looking for info on these check out another site I'd (146678). It covers the lady on the right (Vanilla). Hope this helps. Sorry I do not have any personal experience with either.
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[QUOTE=Dynomutt]BCalled TP, set up an appointment for 10pm, at chicago location...
rescheduled, but in Schaumburg...
I get to the nice hotel, around the financial district...[/QUOTE]
By the time you got to this chick's apartment, it must be around midnight or later. Obviously I can't guarantee anything, but would you expect many incall stings at that time of night? Coupled with the fact that the pics were correct, I think you were safe. No cop would pose for those pics and allow them to be posted to the Internets, for all eternity...
So your only fear was that the cops had "flipped" a working girl. Again I can't guarantee anything, but the late hour, coupled with accurate pics, and the unlikelihood of using a civilian as "bait" - you should have gone for it. But I bet you would not have enjoyed yourself. Too young, probably would have just laid there.
Of course, Hindsight is 20/20...
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[QUOTE=Deizel5]Be careful out there:
[url]http://chicago.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/sting-opperation-going-on-in-shaumburg-area-suburbs/5060046[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks, this is the type of post that keeps us all safe from LE.
If anyone encounters LE, PLEASE post it to help your fellow members.
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1. What was the price she blurted out?
2. What was she wearing when you walked in?
3. Guaranteed she wasn't LE. She probably just assumed you didn't have the money. If your in this situation again just make sure you keep the conv above board until she (or you both) are disrobed. Pretend your there for a 30 min sensual massage. Or whatever. If she pushes the issue in a weird way then bail.
I think these people rely alot on timing. They know (or assume) that le can't organize a sting in under 30 mins. So if your at their door in under 30 from the time you first learn their location. Your probably cool.
[QUOTE=Dynomutt]Bored, and with some free time, I went trucking for some phucking. Called TP, set up an appointment for 10pm, at chicago location. Traffic was terrible on 94, so I missed my appointment. I called to let him know, and rescheduled, but in Schaumburg. I figured, since I've never been to that location, might as well check it out. I get there, and the girl. Excuse me, grandmother, is a little bit too old for me. She was slim, and probably had a nice body, but she looked like she was in her late 40's. Now if she was slim, with a nice body, and in her early 40's? I would, but she wasn't, so we didn't.
Heading back dt, I pull out my phone, and viewed some ads on backpage. I called this one:
She picks up, we chat for a sec, and she gives me her location. The donation was not posted in her ad, so I was skeptical. I get to the nice hotel, around the financial district, and head to her room. She opens the door, and let's me in. She seems nice, and her pictures are 100% real, recent too! She's a bottle blonde, and is thick, but not fat. She tells me the donation for the half hour, without checking to see if I'm LE. This draws a red flag in my mind, why would she just blurt out her price, without questioning me one bit? My spidey senses start tingling, and I decide to abort plan. She is cool with that, and says, "well, have a good night. "
I think she is legit. Well, the photos are, and recent too; but being a seasoned AAMP guy has me accustomed to discussing, and leaving donations in a quieter manner. Maybe she really is 21, and hasn't developed the proper decorum yet? If that's the case, I feel bad, because I should have told her why I changed my mind so abruptly, and she would have learned from the situation. Now, if she was LE? Well, then I left there counting my lucky charms.
From the hotel, I went to Industrial Strip. I spent my hobby money, on tail offering no chance of extras. After getting into this hobby, I often wonder why strip clubs exist? Oh, now I remember. It's stress-free = legal.
P.S. Now, if someone's planning to TOFTT. I can guarantee you the blonde's pics are a 100% percent real, but that's all I can guarantee.[/QUOTE]
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1st Time Poster
Hi guys,
I'm a pretty young guy looking to get into the hobby. Obviously I've done my fair share of lurking and don't expect help in regards to specific providers. I do need some general advice. I've flipped through a few months worth of pages in this thread and don't feel my question to be answered.
I noticed a listing on BP of interest. I noticed it did not have any prices/menu listed in the add. I decided (not sure why) to google the phone number and a bunch of different things came up. An AMP that was hiring, other BP adds for providers, a cell-phone shop. What do you guys make of that? Is it normal? Generally a good/bad sign?
I then tried to find the girl using another site but couldn't.
I must say I'm a little scared to have my first exp be TOFTT
Thanks for helpin me out.
JB