Korean Agency BB

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4954220]This one slipped between the cracks. She was here with M before and was terrible then. M had no idea it was her. Don't know if the agency did. M just found out today that she was here before under a different name. As I stated in a previous post the bookers don; t usually know much, if anything, about the girls until they hear it from us.[/QUOTE]I don't buy that M is totally ignorant of the girls who are brought in. If she was, that's negligence on her role as a booker. If she is going to screen customers, then she would (or should) certainly screen her girls. She also knows the pictures are fake, so, again, she's been in this business long enough to know how this impacts marketing. So, if it were some other booker, people would say they're "dishonest", but for M, they give her a pass?

[QUOTE=BuddhaHead;4955356]I don't buy that M is totally ignorant of the girls who are brought in. If she was, that's negligence on her role as a booker. If she is going to screen customers, then she would (or should) certainly screen her girls. She also knows the pictures are fake, so, again, she's been in this business long enough to know how this impacts marketing. So, if it were some other booker, people would say they're "dishonest", but for M, they give her a pass?[/QUOTE]That's not the case. I know that she doesn't know much about the new girls who she books. That isn't her job. She works for an agency to book and that's all. Booking includes screening the customers and not screening the girls. They are hired by the agency and the pics are given to her. Sometimes she will know that they worked up north for a while but not much more. In the case of Yuna she saw the pics which are not even the pics of Yuna and didn't know anything else about her until she heard it from us. Do you really believe the bookers screen the girls and then tell management that they don't want to book for some of them. Not in this real world.

Yo bookers this one's for you. Calling experienced mongers to chime in on this. How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?

PRO's: protect the girl and agency from being rip off, no haggling and negotiating, girls can't say you shorted them, no awkward moment of silence counting money after the deed is done.

CON's: This is definitely a mood-killer for me from the get go if she's asking for it upfront and counting it in front of me. There's no incentive for the girl to perform if they know exactly what they will get. I'm less likely to tip after the session because I don't like taking money out in front of the girl after shower and counting how much I should give her. Yes I know most of the time the girl stay in the shower so you can dress up first, but still it's like paying for a meal after I'm full or a drink after I'm drunk, I'd probably be incline to tip and tip more so if the meal was satisfying or when I'm drunk. I've had girls that were genuine / acting ecstatic when I throw in extra 40 to make it 300 even (assuming it's 260/ hr) and I've had cold reaction as well. Most girls that don't ask upfront usually don't count in front of me afterward either but for a few time it did happen I've gotten reaction from both end of the spectrum. I know some girls / agency been cheated before maybe on purpose and maybe unintentional, once the monger walks out the door nothing the girl / agency can do at the moment beside banning them from future visit. I personally once shorted a girl by one Jefferson just bc her menu per booker didn't match up in the actual session. I paid for one hr and she only let me pop once, she asked for another 100 for 2nd pop and on top of that her pics and description were so off and her attitude was terrible. Booker demanded I give her the 20, lucky I didn't short even more. Needless to say I was ban but that booker is no longer around and the girl definitely left after a short stay and has not return since that I'm aware of.

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]Yo bookers this one's for you. Calling experienced mongers to chime in on this. How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?

PRO's: protect the girl and agency from being rip off, no haggling and negotiating, girls can't say you shorted them, no awkward moment of silence counting money after the deed is done.

CON's: This is definitely a mood-killer for me from the get go if she's asking for it upfront and counting it in front of me. There's no incentive for the girl to perform if they know exactly what they will get. I'm less likely to tip after the session because I don't like taking money out in front of the girl after shower and counting how much I should give her. Yes I know most of the time the girl stay in the shower so you can dress up first, but still it's like paying for a meal after I'm full or a drink after I'm drunk, I'd probably be incline to tip and tip more so if the meal was satisfying or when I'm drunk. I've had girls that were genuine / acting ecstatic when I throw in extra 40 to make it 300 even (assuming it's 260/ hr) and I've had cold reaction as well. Most girls that don't ask upfront usually don't count in front of me afterward either but for a few time it did happen I've gotten reaction from both end of the spectrum. I know some girls / agency been cheated before maybe on purpose and maybe unintentional, once the monger walks out the door nothing the girl / agency can do at the moment beside banning them from future visit. I personally once shorted a girl by one Jefferson just bc her menu per booker didn't match up in the actual session. I paid for one hr and she only let me pop once, she asked for another 100 for 2nd pop and on top of that her pics and description were so off and her attitude was terrible. Booker demanded I give her the 20, lucky I didn't short even more. Needless to say I was ban but that booker is no longer around and the girl definitely left after a short stay and has not return since that I'm aware of.[/QUOTE]I don't mind cause that's how I make sweet BBFS deals real fast and had lots of luck!

Girls usually ask for $ upfront cause either they've been handed fake $ (happens a lot lately), shorted $, dude just runs out, or even robbed!

Blame it on you fellow mongers if that why!

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?[/QUOTE]I always have the money pre-counted and ready to lay down on the nightstand as I'm getting undressed. I usually use larger bills, so it's easy for her to count if she decides to move it somewhere else (a reasonable thing to do IMO). I'd say 75% of the time, they don't bother to move / count it while I'm there. If I'm inclined to tip (I usually am), then I just lay the tip down on top of the pile after I get dressed. Honestly, this seems like one of the simpler aspects of the hobby.

[QUOTE=Dwaeji;4955492]I always have the money pre-counted and ready to lay down on the nightstand as I'm getting undressed. I usually use larger bills, so it's easy for her to count if she decides to move it somewhere else (a reasonable thing to do IMO). I'd say 75% of the time, they don't bother to move / count it while I'm there. If I'm inclined to tip (I usually am), then I just lay the tip down on top of the pile after I get dressed. Honestly, this seems like one of the simpler aspects of the hobby.[/QUOTE]Yes, just dropping the money somewhere while undressing saves everyone the hassle of the transaction. A kgirl with her hand out is a terrible mood killer so I just prefer we don't even get to that situation. I do remember in NorCal when a girl would excuse herself for one minute and do whatever she does with the cash outside the room. That's respectful also as long as it's quick. I personally count myself in front to make sure they realize I slipped in the extra 20-40. Seinfeld and the tip jar scene haha. On first visits, I tip afterwards based on service but on return visits I'll tip upfront while undressing.

I've heard too many sob stories from them of money issues going down. Especially instances when phony Hollywood money is used. I've seen them money a few times personally. Note I've heard that when a idiot gives Hollywood money, only the girl is shorted. The org still collects as it was the girls fault. It's a crappy move for anyone to do.

[QUOTE=GoldDust58;4955538]Yes, just dropping the money somewhere while undressing saves everyone the hassle of the transaction. A kgirl with her hand out is a terrible mood killer so I just prefer we don't even get to that situation. I do remember in NorCal when a girl would excuse herself for one minute and do whatever she does with the cash outside the room. That's respectful also as long as it's quick. I personally count myself in front to make sure they realize I slipped in the extra 20-40. Seinfeld and the tip jar scene haha. On first visits, I tip afterwards based on service but on return visits I'll tip upfront while undressing.

I've heard too many sob stories from them of money issues going down. Especially instances when phony Hollywood money is used. I've seen them money a few times personally. Note I've heard that when a idiot gives Hollywood money, only the girl is shorted. The org still collects as it was the girls fault. It's a crappy move for anyone to do.[/QUOTE]Anyone know what the girl actually keeps? Is there an industry standard. Do the girls actually pay for the room like strippers pay the club to dance and make their money solely on tips? I'm talking about the KAMP scene.

[QUOTE=AhardLanding;4955563]Anyone know what the girl actually keeps? Is there an industry standard. Do the girls actually pay for the room like strippers pay the club to dance and make their money solely on tips? I'm talking about the KAMP scene.[/QUOTE]I've been told it's a 70/30 split in favor of the girls. I wouldn't be surprised if it varies between agencies.

I don't have an issue dropping the payment upfront if the girl asks for it. Nor do I have a problem with the girl counting it. If there's anyone to blame its the lowlives that have shorted the girls or scammed them with fake money. Unfortunately we live in a society that allows lowlives to flourish and exist, especially in this state. Lets face it there's plenty of lowlife miscreants that are in the hobbying scene.

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]Yo bookers this one's for you. Calling experienced mongers to chime in on this. How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toungsten;4955442]That's not the case. I know that she doesn't know much about the new girls who she books. That isn't her job. She works for an agency to book and that's all. Booking includes screening the customers and not screening the girls. They are hired by the agency and the pics are given to her. Sometimes she will know that they worked up north for a while but not much more. In the case of Yuna she saw the pics which are not even the pics of Yuna and didn't know anything else about her until she heard it from us. Do you really believe the bookers screen the girls and then tell management that they don't want to book for some of them. Not in this real world.[/QUOTE]Why are you defending her? How do you know what she knows or doesn't? Why does she recommend girls that she knows nothing about? Even if this is what she allegedly told you, that doesn't mean it's true. Bookers don't reveal all the details of their business to outsiders.

Have any of you fellas seen Red at KTE? The booker says she's new but her pictures looked super familiar. Google images didn't turn up anything and her name is too short to search on here unfortunately. The talent at KTE is so hit & miss. I'll TOFFT but would love to hear if any of ya had any intel. Thanks!

I have always given money upfront since the day I started. I even tell the upsell girls to count the money so they know the services I want.

Usually girls don't count my donation. Girls who count are with bookers who said donation first. I also have no problem counting money in front of girls.

Agree with this whole post from HapaBoy86.

[QUOTE=HapaBoy86;4955464]I don't mind cause that's how I make sweet BBFS deals real fast and had lots of luck!

Girls usually ask for $ upfront cause either they've been handed fake $ (happens a lot lately), shorted $, dude just runs out, or even robbed!

Blame it on you fellow mongers if that why![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]Yo bookers this one's for you. Calling experienced mongers to chime in on this. How do you feel about the girls asking for money upfront?

PRO's: protect the girl and agency from being rip off, no haggling and negotiating, girls can't say you shorted them, no awkward moment of silence counting money after the deed is done.

CON's: This is definitely a mood-killer for me from the get go if she's asking for it upfront and counting it in front of me. There's no incentive for the girl to perform if they know exactly what they will get. I'm less likely to tip after the session because I don't like taking money out in front of the girl after shower and counting how much I should give her. Yes I know most of the time the girl stay in the shower so you can dress up first, but still it's like paying for a meal after I'm full or a drink after I'm drunk, I'd probably be incline to tip and tip more so if the meal was satisfying or when I'm drunk. I've had girls that were genuine / acting ecstatic when I throw in extra 40 to make it 300 even (assuming it's 260/ hr) and I've had cold reaction as well. Most girls that don't ask upfront usually don't count in front of me afterward either but for a few time it did happen I've gotten reaction from both end of the spectrum. I know some girls / agency been cheated before maybe on purpose and maybe unintentional, once the monger walks out the door nothing the girl / agency can do at the moment beside banning them from future visit. I personally once shorted a girl by one Jefferson just bc her menu per booker didn't match up in the actual session. I paid for one hr and she only let me pop once, she asked for another 100 for 2nd pop and on top of that her pics and description were so off and her attitude was terrible. Booker demanded I give her the 20, lucky I didn't short even more. Needless to say I was ban but that booker is no longer around and the girl definitely left after a short stay and has not return since that I'm aware of[/QUOTE]It's probably the difference between being known to the bookers and being a newbie. I've been doing this for so many years and maybe I can count on one hand how many times the donation was wanted up front. Even at the beginning. I've heard some of the same horror stories of being ripped off and I guess if the booker says he's okay it takes the pressure off the girl. I've even forgotten or almost forgotten to give the donation several times but it was all good. Just ran back and made amends.

[QUOTE=NewKinkshire;4950775]How many loads do you think some of these BBFSCIP women have taken? It has to be in the tens of thousands for some of the more experienced. Anyone want to do an estimation[/QUOTE]New to this whole seen. After reading post after post about bbfscip scared of getting sick. How does everyone deal with this? Are the girls tested?

[QUOTE=JungleFun;4955443]Yo bookers this one's for [/QUOTE]Unlike everyone else, this is what I WANT. It's business and I want to clear things up right away.

I simply don't understand why it's a "turn-off". When you go buy something, you pay up front. Regardless of what the service is, it's the same thing here. Get it out of the way so everyone is on the same page and they'll know and feel comfortable with intentions.