"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3611501]I think SA is dead, at least in my area. I have decent game and have done extremely well in the bowl in the past but not this time around (I re-upped 2 weeks ago).

Every last one of them is either gps, platonic, a flake, or combination of the 3. I've had so many "I'd love to meet you" as a first reply to my intro only for them to disappear after 24 hours and 1 or 2 messages later.

Again, I have game and know what I'm doing and am head and shoulders above the average guy in my area (I've seen the SD profiles before). But it's been 2 weeks and I have exactly 0 fish in the boat.

What the F is going on?[/QUOTE]Where is your area?

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[QUOTE=JZLizard;3610698] So I never got an SB from CL. I found the civy dating sites to be plenty effective, if trying the less traveled roads -- its just a matter of finding the young ones who are open to older guys (some actually prefer them). Finding them is a lot of work, but then so are the SD sites if looking for quality. Some have said CL is one of their best tools, so your mileage may vary.[/QUOTE]I have gotten many SBs from CL and civvy dating sites. It's a lot of work finding what you want, and you have to weed out he spam and the flakes, but it is hard finding good SBs no matter where you look.

I'm in the Chicago area, thought I would post this here also.

Well, it finally happened to me. Set up a meeting, girls seemed very backpagey but I was in an SA slump. Meeting at her condo near 159/ Central on Oak Forest. She puts dog away. Tell me she is closing window, I guess sign for guy to come on up. Guy busts in starts the she is 17 story I have read elsewhere, while waving a gun. I leave $150 poorer. Debate whether to call 911, figure not worth the $150 if my name get published anywhere. I can't figure out the condo thing however, they are risking me coming back, perhaps they are just watching someone else's.

Her account has been deactivated.

This is why I have a policy whether on the road or home to always meet in public first. I've been tempted several times to break this rule, but I talk the little head down each time. I travel a fair amount and have met some great babies in various cities, but I always take them to lunch, dinner, drinks or coffee first. These girls aren't like providers that you can read reviews of to know you can trust them. I'm sorry this happened to you.

Travelin.

Good Hunting.

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3613291]I'm in the Chicago area, thought I would post this here also.

Well, it finally happened to me. Set up a meeting, girls seemed very backpagey but I was in an SA slump. Meeting at her condo near 159/ Central on Oak Forest. She puts dog away. Tell me she is closing window, I guess sign for guy to come on up. Guy busts in starts the she is 17 story I have read elsewhere, while waving a gun. I leave $150 poorer. Debate whether to call 911, figure not worth the $150 if my name get published anywhere. I can't figure out the condo thing however, they are risking me coming back, perhaps they are just watching someone else's.

Her account has been deactivated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3613291]I'm in the Chicago area, thought I would post this here also.

Well, it finally happened to me. Set up a meeting, girls seemed very backpagey but I was in an SA slump. Meeting at her condo near 159/ Central on Oak Forest. She puts dog away. Tell me she is closing window, I guess sign for guy to come on up. Guy busts in starts the she is 17 story I have read elsewhere, while waving a gun. I leave $150 poorer. Debate whether to call 911, figure not worth the $150 if my name get published anywhere. I can't figure out the condo thing however, they are risking me coming back, perhaps they are just watching someone else's.

Her account has been deactivated.[/QUOTE]Take TravelinSD's advice, never meet an "SB" at her place. A quality SB would never invite you to where she lives first. There may be the occasional good experience to be had there, but its not worth the risk. Getting an invite to a house / apt / hotel sight unseen is an indication she is desperate or an escort. Its just mongering, not sugar dating. If that's what you're after you are much safer on the normal BP scene. She would have much more business there, so if she is going out of her way to rent her pussy using SA, it could be she is hoping to stay out of the normal monger radar, which would out her and her scams sooner - most likely hiding something. Schedule the M&G at a public place.

I'm seeing you're all veterans and knowledgable in the realm of this, can someone inbox me some pointers or leadme in the right direction? I recently signed up and can't get it right!! Please, can someone teach me the ropes? And if you ever come to boston, YOu will definitely have girls to see because I will share their numbers, and can help you find your favorites in Boston. THanks guys!

[QUOTE=Papa2314;3615520]I'm seeing you're all veterans and knowledgable in the realm of this, can someone inbox me some pointers or leadme in the right direction? I recently signed up and can't get it right!! Please, can someone teach me the ropes? And if you ever come to boston, YOu will definitely have girls to see because I will share their numbers, and can help you find your favorites in Boston. THanks guys![/QUOTE]Read the thread highlights also on the Richmond board, that should get you started.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3611093]Just came here to share couple observations!

I recently renewed my SA subscription to fill-up my quiver for the winter. LOL. Overall, I was super excited by the quality of SBs hitting the pool on a daily basis. I was also thrilled by the positive communication and eagerness to share their personal phone numbers. There ends most of the excitement. I have also been noticing that several SBs die out as fast as they come like the fire flies. What I mean is I find many just delete their account even as we were just having an interesting chat conversation. I am like a fool wondering WTF happened just now. So Today I connected with a hot 18 yo SB that just joined today. Soon we exchanged numbers and exchanged pics on the phone and agreed to have a M&G in the coming week. Then I go back to find out that she deleted her SA account. My hypothesis here is that true SBs don't like to deal with multiple potential SDs for long. Once they identify a suitable partner they go dark on the rest. I'm thinking the SBs who went dark on me is bcoz they found someone even while we were chatting. And, I'm hoping this SB shut down the account because of me. LOL. But, still I don't get it as we have not yet met or agreed on any specific allowances. Senior SDs! Whats your take on this mindset?

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.[/QUOTE]I haven't been around this a long time, but what you are experiencing seems weird, almost like these are catfish profiles just to give you some hope and keep you renewing. What part of the country are you in? I really doubt these girls are finding someone and then closing the account after finding someone. Most of the girls are working a few guys at a time, just like we are women. The long term monogamous SB / SD relationship is exception rather than rule. I would try to meet someone as quick as possible maybe even the same day you start chatting or no more than two days later if possible. The long the wait the greater chance they will flake out. Try to keep your chat light and have some humor, try not to come off like a stiff middle aged guy even though maybe you are LOL. Remember these are young 20 something girls and they are going to be a little flaky. There is also a big difference in maturity from the 18-21 bracket to 23 plus, but not a big drop off in looks / quality IMO.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3467161]Your going to get various answers but here's my thoughts.

1 being truthful about married status won't hurt you. Mist girls are looking for NSA and help. The amount you can help determine your outcome. (2) your net worth and income is hardly ever an issue as long as you can provide what ever arrangement you decide on. A few will look at that and call you out on it. If your listing over 100 k in income and your trying to haggle over 100 dollars in price difference the smart ones know your fake. (3) if your looking for just a hook up stick with your pros and utr. There is plenty of those on the site. You can be frank in your profile as to what your looking for but don't be vulgar. Show some class. Again plenty on the site that does hook ups. (4) That idea is pretty stupid because when your balking at 1000 dollar request which shouldn't be a big deal to that money bags again they can see your fake. Depending on what your looking for to a lot of these girls its about the $$.[/QUOTE]There was an earlier flurry on how you list yourself on SA. My 2 cents. Some women are actively looking for married guys. My first SB, an absolutely incredible smoking hot blond, had 3 bad marriages, a 6 YO kid from the last one, and her major fear was the guy getting attached. I would have never qualified with her if I hadn't been honest I am married. Her profile said, tellingly, 'we're not falling in love here'. The other attractions. Less likely to have a STD or multiple SBs; generally considered more stable. Just the usual societal biases toward married people being more trustworthy.

About net worth and income. Again, listing married may get you a discount (you can at least make the argument) - even if I have a lot and live well, I may not be able to throw all that toward the SB if I have to worry about keeping the SO in the dark. That is in fact my situation right now. I was getting pretty wild with the sugar over the last year, got sideways with the SO (used an alibi that they were gambling losses), so now I have to be a good boy.

It is true that it is harder to find SBs who have all of the traits desired (as I once said to BikeRider, my goal in life is to fuck as much hiqh quality pussy as I can) and are wiling to go to the FC at a cut rate. There are a few who are really in it just for the thrill of it. We have to figure out ways to attract *those*. All that being said, when I was active on SA I put my true numbers out there and I did attract some amazing women, but there were quite a few who wouldn't proceed with me, as I perceive b / c of my age / attractiveness (or lack thereof). So, you can't really use the $ to counterbalance weaknesses elsewhere. I also was fairly generous with SBs, but never really got into a bidding war with them. I had a very pretty 20 YO coed at 250 per, and she was really there for the excitement, I don't think the $ mattered much.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3616544]There was an earlier flurry on how you list yourself on SA. My 2 cents. Some women are actively looking for married guys. My first SB, an absolutely incredible smoking hot blond, had 3 bad marriages, a 6 YO kid from the last one, and her major fear was the guy getting attached. I would have never qualified with her if I hadn't been honest I am married. Her profile said, tellingly, 'we're not falling in love here'. The other attractions. Less likely to have a STD or multiple SBs; generally considered more stable. Just the usual societal biases toward married people being more trustworthy.

About net worth and income. Again, listing married may get you a discount (you can at least make the argument) - even if I have a lot and live well, I may not be able to throw all that toward the SB if I have to worry about keeping the SO in the dark. That is in fact my situation right now. I was getting pretty wild with the sugar over the last year, got sideways with the SO (used an alibi that they were gambling losses), so now I have to be a good boy.

It is true that it is harder to find SBs who have all of the traits desired (as I once said to BikeRider, my goal in life is to fuck as much hiqh quality pussy as I can) and are wiling to go to the FC at a cut rate. There are a few who are really in it just for the thrill of it. We have to figure out ways to attract *those*. All that being said, when I was active on SA I put my true numbers out there and I did attract some amazing women, but there were quite a few who wouldn't proceed with me, as I perceive b / c of my age / attractiveness (or lack thereof). So, you can't really use the $ to counterbalance weaknesses elsewhere. I also was fairly generous with SBs, but never really got into a bidding war with them. I had a very pretty 20 YO coed at 250 per, and she was really there for the excitement, I don't think the $ mattered much.[/QUOTE]I just left my income and net worth section blank. I don't see how putting anything there can help you unless you are homely looking and badly out of shape. Personally I don't want to attract the gold digger types just chasing money. The whole point of the SA thing for me is that hopefully finding someone legitimately attracted to me / older men (to some degree at least) and have a bit of a connection and its working great so far. I'm no young stud but decent looking and in shape, but I'm 57 / have 45 on my profile. I just put open relationship, although my wife might not be open.

Gentlemen,

I am from the Boston suburbs and fairly new to the SB thing. Could anyone of you on this active VA board point me towards all the meaning of abbreviations you are using.

Thank you very much gentlemen.

Javazer.

So I am chatting with this girl and after only one email she already wants to meet. I feel like this one may have been talked about and for some reason I feel like this could be a scammer. Does anyone have any intel?

[QUOTE=Javazer;3617824]Gentlemen,

I am from the Boston suburbs and fairly new to the SB thing. Could anyone of you on this active VA board point me towards all the meaning of abbreviations you are using.

Thank you very much gentlemen.

Javazer.[/QUOTE]Look at the top of the page for the tab that says abbreviations.

So I've used SA in the past to great success but recently it's been getting more and more difficult. After some looking into it, it's finally happened. There's way more SDs than SBs in my part of the world and it's making it very very tough. A cute girl is literally peppered with messages all from a more and more desperate large pool of guys. This leads to gps, flaking, and thinking that platonic is actually a real thing. I suspect once guys join the site they stay on and never really go away making the pool of guys bigger over time but the number of active girls is fairly constant.

Anyone else noticing this?