"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Tidad;3607095]Just heard back from this one: but she seems TGTBT. Anyone know her? PM me.[/QUOTE]So I can't confirm but I think this chick has been talked about before. I remember vaguely reading negative reports. If she is the one I am thinking of I did see go out on one date with her and she seemed really nice but when I found out who she was I didn't pursue any further. Sorry for being so vague but she does look familiar. Again, I can't remember her name. Something like Hailey or something like that.

She resembles Veronica who used to be on the site, seen her several times one of ATF, she also might be Hailey as well. Thought she stopped being an SB, did not see her on the site.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3607331]So I can't confirm but I think this chick has been talked about before. I remember vaguely reading negative reports. If she is the one I am thinking of I did see go out on one date with her and she seemed really nice but when I found out who she was I didn't pursue any further. Sorry for being so vague but she does look familiar. Again, I can't remember her name. Something like Hailey or something like that.[/QUOTE]

AS anyone been in contact with Uncomplicated123 on SA. Was thinking about reaching out to her. Looks very hot!

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3607331]So I can't confirm but I think this chick has been talked about before. I remember vaguely reading negative reports. If she is the one I am thinking of I did see go out on one date with her and she seemed really nice but when I found out who she was I didn't pursue any further. Sorry for being so vague but she does look familiar. Again, I can't remember her name. Something like Hailey or something like that.[/QUOTE]Texted back and forth on another site.

She wanted $100 for a meet and greet.

Needless to say I took a pass.

She looks alot like another that is named Hailey.

Might be name coincidence.

The other? Hailey was a waste of time.

Wanted to meet but had lots of excuses for each time.

Then blocked me when I was busy and was out of pocket for a while.

If I cannot get to m&g in 2 weeks I consider them not serious.

And roll along.

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;3606889]I met her 6 months ago and talked for a few minutes, never spent any quality time with her. I saw her in a restaurant one evening she texted hello but stayed away did not approach me, she seems cool and professional. About a month ago I received a text from her phone, someone saying they were her mother and that she was coming after me for giving drugs to her daughter she was on a ventilator at the hospital. I assume mom was texting everyone on her daughters phone.[/QUOTE]We had planned to meet for drinks in Williamsburg last Friday at 6 pm but I had to notify her at 3 pm I needed to cancel due to a business emergency. She immediately replied to me with "OK! No problem" . Prior to that we had been texting for less than a week. I wonder if I was being set up or if someone at her house, perhaps her child or baby daddy was cock blocking Tidad?

It had been more than a year ago when my SB, named Mary, quit me for about the 5th time, as she was living with her parents and under some kind of surveillance, allegedly. Still, we stayed in touch by email. We had dinner twice and she asked me for money twice; I said "no" and didn't explain why but basically I'm not going to be a platonic SD, I have already too many platonic benefactors. I can barely afford to be a SD anyway, much less platonic! I like her, though, because she is intelligent, complicated, and a little weird like me. I'm a good listener and she likes to talk. Although I didn't explain it to her, I felt like she was a kind of therapy for me.

So I didn't think too much when we had our 3rd dinner in 13 months. But then I knew something was different when she came up to me and kissed me on the lips and hugged me. During dinner she told that she had moved out from her parents, had some random roomates, was struggling in a low-wage job, and was eager to be intimate with me. I guess she needed money and was too scared to place an ad on SD4 M (where I had met her) or SA. So, we've been together for a month now. I'm a little better off financially, having recovered. I'm not as enthusiastic as the first time. She also seems to be more modest and calm this time. I like her, but it won't bother me too much if she ends it again. It either continues on terms I can afford, or it does not. Like the Jim Morrison lyric: the future is uncertain and the end is always near.

[QUOTE=Snake27;3609989]It had been more than a year ago when my SB, named Mary, quit me for about the 5th time, as she was living with her parents and under some kind of surveillance, allegedly. Still, we stayed in touch by email. We had dinner twice and she asked me for money twice; I said "no" and didn't explain why but basically I'm not going to be a platonic SD, I have already too many platonic benefactors. I can barely afford to be a SD anyway, much less platonic! ...[/QUOTE]I meant "beneficiaries" -- people in my life who expect or want my money but I don't have sex with them. It's funny how that leaves little room in the budget for a SB.

I was wondering if anyone ever used craigslist with success to find a SB? It seems like there's a lot of untapped potential here, the ads are free and there may be a big audience. However, most of the M4 W ads are very creepy (a lot of dick pics) and I really wonder, do those work? Well, maybe they do work or there wouldn't be so many, but most women I know would not even consider it. I tried a few times but got 98% spam and 2% mismatches to what I was wanting. I concluded it was a waste of time, even though placing an ad is free. Maybe others know a secret?

Yes she did at one time appear grounded, but if you look at the progression of the pics going from a dress over time to sweats... one starts to see the potential for damage usually caused by drug addiction.

[QUOTE=Tidad;3605661]Has anyone encountered this one yet? She seems super grounded but I'm looking for more information. If you've been there, PM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Snake27;3610073]I meant "beneficiaries" -- people in my life who expect or want my money but I don't have sex with them. It's funny how that leaves little room in the budget for a SB.

I was wondering if anyone ever used craigslist with success to find a SB? It seems like there's a lot of untapped potential here, the ads are free and there may be a big audience. However, most of the M4 W ads are very creepy (a lot of dick pics) and I really wonder, do those work? Well, maybe they do work or there wouldn't be so many, but most women I know would not even consider it. I tried a few times but got 98% spam and 2% mismatches to what I was wanting. I concluded it was a waste of time, even though placing an ad is free. Maybe others know a secret?[/QUOTE]I think this experience is very specific to your local area. I have a bowl brother in suburban Atlanta who has success there. You also have to be really careful. As I have posted, I am not on SA right now, and the quality of women there is outstanding, but also they can be very expensive. That is why I am on CL. You do have to have a lot of patience w / getting spam and clickbait on CL. You can run an ad, or you can reply to them. Again, as has been posted here and there lately, you can find girls fishing for SDs in a lot of CL areas, like panty sellers, or in the resumes / gigs sections, or in casual encounters. Just be aware of how many of those ads are just looking to get your email or your cell # so that they can send you spam. I always go through some verification through the CL mail system before providing those.

[QUOTE=Snake27;3610073]I meant "beneficiaries" -- people in my life who expect or want my money but I don't have sex with them. It's funny how that leaves little room in the budget for a SB.

I was wondering if anyone ever used craigslist with success to find a SB? It seems like there's a lot of untapped potential here, the ads are free and there may be a big audience. However, most of the M4 W ads are very creepy (a lot of dick pics) and I really wonder, do those work? Well, maybe they do work or there wouldn't be so many, but most women I know would not even consider it. I tried a few times but got 98% spam and 2% mismatches to what I was wanting. I concluded it was a waste of time, even though placing an ad is free. Maybe others know a secret?[/QUOTE]There have been SDs through here who had good luck on CL. I tried it once about 6 years ago, and placed ads making clear that I was looking for a sugar baby (I'm not sure CL lets you advertise so bluntly these days). I got a variety of interesting responses, but there was a lot of spam (I. E. People who did not read my requirements carefully enough about including a pic with their response, and a "special keyword" in the subject line so I could know they actually read the ad and differentiate from spam). There were a few interesting responses but I think all of them were below my standard looks-wise and not as good as the girls I was already getting dates with and banging without sugar. In retrospect what's odd is that none of them seemed like UTRs or BP girls. This surprised me because I figured CL would attract a lot of escorts or want to be escorts. One was a bank teller fresh out of college, one was a late 20's owner of a yoga studio, etc. None of them had seen a picture of me, they were replying sight unseen.

Around the same time I me a girl on [URL]match.com[/URL] who was very sexual, but she didn't want money -- she really wanted someone who could get her a job or help her career get started. She was one of those spoiled daddy's girls who had somehow ended up with a masters degree without ever having learned any actual skill that would give her a foot in the door to get a job. I was already fucking her (for nothing more than occasional dinner and clubbing) when an actual job opportunity that she would fit opened up under my direction at work. When I knew the position was coming, I sent her the requirements just because I liked the idea of the danger involved in fucking someone reporting to me at work (it's a very bad idea and I don't recommend mixing SBs with professional concerns at all). But the image in my mind of her blowing me under the desk was just too much. So I gave her a small research assignment to see if she would be remotely useful if I hired her. It wasn't long before it became clear that if I hired her, she would not take any initiative or do anything worthwhile at all, she would rely 100% on me to teach her things. Since I was already teaching her the kind of things I wanted to, I just told her we hired someone else. Plus it brought me to my senses about mixing business with pleasure.

So I never got an SB from CL. I found the civy dating sites to be plenty effective, if trying the less traveled roads -- its just a matter of finding the young ones who are open to older guys (some actually prefer them). Finding them is a lot of work, but then so are the SD sites if looking for quality. Some have said CL is one of their best tools, so your mileage may vary.

I meet her one time and had a nice dream withe her. Go the same text message from her mother. She partied a little too much with her friends and got something laced with something that as not too cool. She is okay for a good time.

Just came here to share couple observations!

I recently renewed my SA subscription to fill-up my quiver for the winter. LOL. Overall, I was super excited by the quality of SBs hitting the pool on a daily basis. I was also thrilled by the positive communication and eagerness to share their personal phone numbers. There ends most of the excitement. I have also been noticing that several SBs die out as fast as they come like the fire flies. What I mean is I find many just delete their account even as we were just having an interesting chat conversation. I am like a fool wondering WTF happened just now. So Today I connected with a hot 18 yo SB that just joined today. Soon we exchanged numbers and exchanged pics on the phone and agreed to have a M&G in the coming week. Then I go back to find out that she deleted her SA account. My hypothesis here is that true SBs don't like to deal with multiple potential SDs for long. Once they identify a suitable partner they go dark on the rest. I'm thinking the SBs who went dark on me is bcoz they found someone even while we were chatting. And, I'm hoping this SB shut down the account because of me. LOL. But, still I don't get it as we have not yet met or agreed on any specific allowances. Senior SDs! Whats your take on this mindset?

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3611093]Just came here to share couple observations!

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of simps that will pay these girls just to talk. Look at phone sex, online porn sites that guys pay for even though there's more free porn than galaxies, and those live webcam sites that girls are making a killing on.

I think SA is dead, at least in my area. I have decent game and have done extremely well in the bowl in the past but not this time around (I re-upped 2 weeks ago).

Every last one of them is either gps, platonic, a flake, or combination of the 3. I've had so many "I'd love to meet you" as a first reply to my intro only for them to disappear after 24 hours and 1 or 2 messages later.

Again, I have game and know what I'm doing and am head and shoulders above the average guy in my area (I've seen the SD profiles before). But it's been 2 weeks and I have exactly 0 fish in the boat.

What the F is going on?

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3611093]Just came here to share couple observations!

I recently renewed my SA subscription to fill-up my quiver for the winter. LOL. Overall, I was super excited by the quality of SBs hitting the pool on a daily basis. I was also thrilled by the positive communication and eagerness to share their personal phone numbers. There ends most of the excitement. I have also been noticing that several SBs die out as fast as they come like the fire flies. What I mean is I find many just delete their account even as we were just having an interesting chat conversation. I am like a fool wondering WTF happened just now. So Today I connected with a hot 18 yo SB that just joined today. Soon we exchanged numbers and exchanged pics on the phone and agreed to have a M&G in the coming week. Then I go back to find out that she deleted her SA account. My hypothesis here is that true SBs don't like to deal with multiple potential SDs for long. Once they identify a suitable partner they go dark on the rest. I'm thinking the SBs who went dark on me is bcoz they found someone even while we were chatting. And, I'm hoping this SB shut down the account because of me. LOL. But, still I don't get it as we have not yet met or agreed on any specific allowances. Senior SDs! Whats your take on this mindset?

Another puzzling behavior pattern is there's a bunch of SBs who are simply connected to me on the phone. They will also communicate once every several days like 'hey' or 'how are you' and we will chat for a few until they go cold again. And, every time I push them for a M&G they bail out with an excuse. Or commit to sometime later. Which they will not keep up. They even share random pics out of the blue once in a while. I am clueless as to what they get out of this really? And, I'm clueless wondering if this is also part of SB mindset. Their idea of sharing something with a SD stranger?!

So bottomline my conversion rates from initial communication on SA to personal Text communication to M&G is pathetic. Obviously not counting FC that's super pathetic!

Perhaps I am missing some key communication. After engaging them at Texting. I need inputs as to how not to let it drift into a multi-day / week chat session.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;3610980]I meet her one time and had a nice dream withe her. Go the same text message from her mother. She partied a little too much with her friends and got something laced with something that as not too cool. She is okay for a good time.[/QUOTE]Same here, met, seemed cool, had fun, definitely a good time.