"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1794656]So the chain of custody of my Sugar Pics would go like this:

1). Naked SB 2). Pull out Sugar Cam 3). *Click* 4). Sugar Pics on Sugar Cam 5). After quick review, Sugar Cam Phone stays locked indefinitely 6). Transfer Sugar Pics to secure device / computer to password protected folders 7). Wipe Sugar Cam of Sugar Pics.

What do you guys think of that? Those of you who take pictures how do you transfer and store them securely?[/QUOTE]8. Now transfer them to a backup hard drive which you could hide anywhere or an online backup service which is password protected. Then delete the pics from your computer.

Quick update:

Tattoo SB-I was worried about her when I started as she seemed to always have a new money problem and I thought she wasn't going to last. I gently coached her on that and the issue has all but disappeared. We are settled now on $.5 a visit, and she would usually rather come to my house and hit the pool or cuddle on the couch prior to FC duty than go out for drinks or dinner, so she isn't costing me much as far as expenses go. The sex has gotten better and better. The last time she was here when she got out of bed her legs were shaking so badly she had trouble getting her balance for a minute. She is now my primary SB, only problem is now she wants to come over all the time, restricting time and funding for other operations. Oh, well, there are worse problems to have.

Needy MILF Pot- This is a sweet white girl. 31, 7/6/9 (six on body because of baby pooch, otherwise a spinner with nice legs and booty). She has had some hard luck in her life and is needy both emotionally and financially. After an initial M&G over dinner, we had progressed to the point where the sugar discussion came up. She said that she wasn't even going to bring it up, but she did need some financial help. She said that she liked me so much that she'd be happy just to go out if I was uncomfortable with it. When I broached the subject of a physical relationship she said that a friend told her that there were guys on SA who were willing to help out just for company. She stressed that she was hoping our relationship would go there, but didn't want to feel like she was just doing it for money. I didn't commit to anything and we decided to have lunch the next day. At the last minute, she texted me that her sitter had fallen through, and could her son come along? I was already on the way, and didn't want to be a jerk about it, so I said okay, intending to bail early. We actually had a nice lunch, and then she talked me into going to the pool; At the end of the day, when I dropped them off, she pretty much begged me to come over after the kids were asleep. To which I had to say no. I know she's sizing me up to be replacement daddy and solve all her problems. That is not for me and I had to tell her so. She took it well, and asked if we could get together next week. I left that one open as at the time I could hardly hear myself think over the internal earful I was getting from little me, who had been discreetly petted a couple of times over the afternoon when we had a moment to ourselves. In the long run I could string her along for low sugar, but I think she has had enough bad luck in her life and I don't want a karma debt for making it worse for her.

Things have slowed down a little as far as new Pots. A week or two ago I had several nibbles from SA, but only one has moved along to a meet and greet. For the last week or so I've not had many responses and some of the girls that I was communicating with have gone silent. My subscription is up at the end of the month and I think I'm going to see what SD4M has to offer.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1794820]8. Now transfer them to a backup hard drive which you could hide anywhere or an online backup service which is password protected. Then delete the pics from your computer.[/QUOTE]Flash Drive and I'd leave the ONLINE backup service alone, just saying.

[QUOTE=BigTime2;1794963]Flash Drive and I'd leave the ONLINE backup service alone, just saying.[/QUOTE]I work online so probably that stuff doesn't bother me as much. I work in "big data" like you been hearing about on the news. But a flash drive is easily hidden.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1795060]I work online so probably that stuff doesn't bother me as much. I work in "big data" like you been hearing about on the news. But a flash drive is easily hidden.[/QUOTE]Can files on a flashdrive be hidden, or locked or something like that?

I haven't posted much about POT's as the closing percentage is so low I don't want to bore anyone. But I did see a fresh hottie (HCB) on sd4me that fit my demographic. 19, mixed, skinny with curves, (5'7" 122) cute, close enough by (but just barely) , likes to make-out (so she says). She just posted last nite and after talking to me she put her profile in suspend mode. So you see how fast some of these girls disappear.

She said in her profile that she was bored. I like that because it tells me maybe she doesn't really care about the sugar as much as the adventure. We messaged, then txted, then talked for a half hour. Says she wants to go on a real date. Doesn't care about sugar (she has a job) and thinks that may be immoral (or something to that effect).

She just broke up from her BF and doesn't want another one but doesn't want to be alone. Sounds perfect. Will update after the date. One thing about being low on funds is that it has forced me to be much pickier. It's been over 3 months since my last close. But I am ready to find a new SB if the right one comes along. Cant really afford to add a 4th. So either I would have to drop one or if this one is low sugar (dating expenses only) then I could add her to the list.

She did ask if I was seeing anyone. I told her I do date but did not get into the specifics as there would be no reason this early in the game. Even though she said that she did not want a BF or anything close to that I do not want her thinking player. I told her I live with my daughter but didn't mention the live in. Usually if they meet me and everything is cool at that point I will mention my roommate before we head back to my place. I usually (but not always) let them think its platonic unless it goes to a second date.

EDIT: her response to my first email. "Omg! Haha omg you are so fucking hilarious!" I always try to keep them either sexting or laughing. Either way the end result is usually the same. Also googled her email address and now have her facebook and twitter.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1795066]Can files on a flashdrive be hidden, or locked or something like that?[/QUOTE]Thats a good question. For a tech company owner thats not a techie I know a few things. But can not definitively answer that question. I am sure someone can.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1795066]Can files on a flashdrive be hidden, or locked or something like that?[/QUOTE]They can be encrypted. Of course,"what are these files that I can't open?" is not a good question to hear. Better in the cloud. When you delete from hard drive or flash drive, might want to use a shredder program which makes them pretty much unrecoverable.

[QUOTE=Randytomcatt;1795075]They can be encrypted. Of course,"what are these files that I can't open?" is not a good question to hear. Better in the cloud. When you delete from hard drive or flash drive, might want to use a shredder program which makes them pretty much unrecoverable.[/QUOTE]Is there one you would recommend for Windows?
Also, are you interested in membership to the Clubhouse, or just passing by? We welcome all serious and respectful SDs, and would enjoy your intel from the Bowl.
Scott

Day 3 ended with a late date with MsBackup, STL isn't like DC, we could not find late movie on a Tuesday night. We instead hung out a bar then stopped by a casino and lost $100 as I showed her how to lose at BlackJack. She had never played and got a big kick out of it. Her $50 lasted much longer than mine did. We then found a semi-private spot in a bar to kiss and get some feels in. She's now ready for the Tiggabounce on the next date. Got back around 0200. I think FlyIn was getting the message.

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Day 4. (I had a day off from my responsibilities)

Final morning with FlyIn, we did not have sex that morning or the evening before and I think she's caught on. I apologized and gave some crappy lie to backup why I wasn't giving it to her like day 1.

Dropped off FlyIn at 1230 (for a 1330 flight, LOL). Picked up SlimnEasy right at 1305. OMG, her body was way more hott! Than I could see in the pictures. She's 22 and not very experienced and dressed almost skanky, the shorts were very very short and her boobs were so big, that there was nothing she could do about that. She came across as very inexperienced, but very free-spirited. Face was about a 7 and she had a great personality. She was very affectionate and liked to be touched. I did downgrade our lunch location after we met, it would have just been very weird to take her where I was planning, based on her attire, LOL. By the end of the date I had touched every part of her body, caressed those big boobs, squeezed that cute butt and pretty much got all my sex questions answered. I wasn't quite sure where to squeeze her in the schedule, but I was running out of time. Dropped her off right at 1515, gave her. 40 for her time and she was very appreciative. Texted her and thanked her for a great time. Setup a date with her on Saturday and she text back saying yes and that she was ready to do the Tiggabounce as part of the date.

1645: I meet TallnDeprived at the bowling alley. Since she had already agreed to stay overnight, I wanted to start with something casual so we could get a good feel for each other. It turned out to be the perfect spot. We had a ball bowling, lots of flirting, kissing, spontaneous hugs and it was off to the room to change for our upscale dinner date. As we walk in, she's absolutely stunned by the chocolates and flowers that I have laid out for her. At this point, I could have sneezed and all of her clothes were coming off. She was so mentally ready. We had about an hour and 1/2 before dinner. I called and moved the reservation another 30 minutes and with all that time in between, we ended up with an extended foreplay session, she was extremely wet. She has an enlarged clit and that came in handy as oral had her jumping, shivering and literally just trying to hang on. I can't remember the last time I had that type of response to oral. Overall, we had some absolutely great sex. Hot, sweaty, lots of orgasms, multiple positions, her sounds were great, loud, but not too loud and she took a great pounding, was very affectionate she's 33 and the experience showed. She looked great without clothes on and a great time was had by all.

Took her to a restaurant that she always wanted to go to. It was upscale, but not as expensive as I expected. The dinner date was lovely and romantic. Got back to the room and went at it 2 to 3 more times before falling asleep for the night.

OMG. I'm not sure what I hit, but it took me back a page and I lost my entire report!

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Woke up this morning about 0630. Had another hot two rounds with MsTallnDeprived. We then took another nap. We got up put on some casual clothes as we were getting ready for our breakfast. Right before we got in the shower, we started kissing again. Well before you know it, I had her sweat pants down to her ankles over her sneakers, bent over the footboard and banging her like crazy from doggie. She loved it and make the most wonderful sounds. We eventually did get showers and made it to breakfast, where she filled up my ego with compliments and accolades. I gave her. 40 for gas and we are set for another overnight date on Friday.

MsSlimnEasy could not make this afternoon as I had hoped, but we did exchange a few texts.

MsBigBoobs: Sent her a text asking if we could cum back here after dinner (an upscale restaurant that she chose) and watch the game. She agreed and I said "great!". I'm hoping this turns into another great round of Tiggabouncing. If it doesn't, it's not going to be because I didn't try. I know she's expecting a little more sugar, so she should be very motivated.

I could not resist and spent about. 80 in two strip clubs in East Saint Louis for about 2 1/2 hours. I was completely surprised at how freely sex is talked about and offered in these clubs. It was nice to know everyone was on the menu and there were a few real good lookers. Maybe I'm just too old or just to spoiled, but I had not desire to have sex in a strip club. I did however love the lap dances and I may return with different pants on to get a better feel. I had one stripper that I clicked with very well and we exchanged numbers. She's older and probably a 6. 5 in the body department. 8 in the face department and 9 in the personality department. I didn't like her price, but she's available any time and pretty much told me she'd drive to me for $$ and I can do pretty much anything I want. Tempting, but I'll probably pass. We'll see. I do like the idea of getting BJs in the club, just not sure if I'm going to take the plunge as the ones I have setup are pretty much working me over, LOL.

The one thing I've found on this trip is that STL is a hotbed of easy sex. I've been surprised. Between the SBs, Strippers and the 2 to 3 women I've flirted with, there isn't a reason that I don't have somebody's legs in the air nightly.

MsBackup has agreed to meet from 12-4pm on Saturday. Then I'll pickup MsSlimnEasy at 7pm and take her back at 10pm to finalize my STL trip. Both of these are under 22 and have big boobs and will cost less than $.

(2 Women 5 Days)
MsBigBoobs is on deck!

After reading many interesting and fact filled reports, all I can say is, if you have the time and the money there is no shortage of honey. This must be the best kept secret on earth. I envy the younger guys that will get so many more satisfying years of awesome babes to bang. I really need to step up my health regimen to be ready for the big 6 0. I have never been as big on the wining and dining. But with my new POT I am going to try and lean a little more in that direction. Girls always ask me what I like to do for fun. Honestly, after a hard days work I am more than happy to just have dinner and then retire to the FC for a an hour or a night of cuddling, etc.

(being the jeans, t-shirt and allstars guy that I am) I recently have been investing in a new custom wardrobe and planning to venture more in that direction. Usually I encourage my babes to find someone else that likes to go out a lot to satisfy their travel, dancing, clubbing, etc needs. As they know there is really only one thing I am interested in. And I realize that all this socializing helps set the mood. But when I do all that I just find myself impatiently waiting for the real action.

I have compensated with the cash in hand approach more often than not. As a civi dater I was often told I wasn't very romantic. I corrected that by dating girls with high sex drives that didn't much care as long as I pushed the right buttons. And my sugar dating mostly evolves purely around sex. I do take care of the practical needs of the girls which in the long run usually they appreciate. But this isn, t always a long run game. Anyway great info I have gotten off this thread and others on the site. Thanks

The emailing / txting has escalated

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MsBigBoobs actually had a big butt to. She is actually very shapely and looked great. The date when fine and we got back to my place around 10:20. We watched the end of the game and since the drive was so long and she had to work, she left at 11:00. I was a little surprised because the kissing had just started to heat up. So a dinner date and some kissing and light touching. I was disappointed, and on the way to walk her to the care she asked about the other funds I was going to give her and I subtly told her that that money was associated with intimacy. She nodded and understood. I gave her. 40 for gas. Originally she wasn't sure exactly when she could meet, after saying that money and sex are connected, she was like "oh we should be able to meet tomorrow night". What she doesn't know is that more than likely I'll not be available.

I am texting with MsSlimnEasy to see if she's up for a late night booty call. If she doesn't work out, I'm probably headed to a strip club, not sure just yet. Nope, she's not, she wanted to be back by 4am. That's too late. Hmmm, not sure what's next. Actually I had the time wrong, so I'm on my way to pick her up. $ is the damage. :D

BigTigg

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1795436]MsBigBoobs actually had a big butt to. She is actually very shapely and looked great. The date when fine and we got back to my place around 10:20. We watched the end of the game and since the drive was so long and she had to work, she left at 11:00. I was a little surprised because the kissing had just started to heat up. So a dinner date and some kissing and light touching. I was disappointed, and on the way to walk her to the care she asked about the other funds I was going to give her and I subtly told her that that money was associated with intimacy. She nodded and understood. I gave her. 40 for gas. Originally she wasn't sure exactly when she could meet, after saying that money and sex are connected, she was like "oh we should be able to meet tomorrow night". What she doesn't know is that more than likely I'll not be available.

I am texting with MsSlimnEasy to see if she's up for a late night booty call. If she doesn't work out, I'm probably headed to a strip club, not sure just yet. Nope, she's not, she wanted to be back by 4am. That's too late. Hmmm, not sure what's next. Actually I had the time wrong, so I'm on my way to pick her up. $ is the damage. .

BigTigg[/QUOTE]Hi BigT, I could use a bit of help. When you said you subtly told her sugar and sex were related, how did you do that? What did you say to get the point across? Thanks.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;1795474]Hi BigT, I could use a bit of help. When you said you subtly told her sugar and sex were related, how did you do that? What did you say to get the point across? Thanks.[/QUOTE]On the way out to her car she asked how I was going to get her the rest of the money.

I said in a very nice and apologetic tone, "oh I'm sorry, I was expecting intimacy on this date, that's why I said I would give you the rest of the money after our date was over, they are kinda connected".

So MsSlimnEasy is picked up and brought back to the room for the Tiggabounce. She agreed to $ and after being let down by MsBigBoobs, I was in not room to negotiate more. The sex was very good. , she had about 5 to 6 orgasms. At some point I was reminded of how young she is and inexperienced. Overall she had a great attitude and did almost everything I asked. She was very clean and I was awed by how beautiful the kitty looked and smelled. She comes across as a potential nasty ghetto queen, but behind closed doors she's a real clean cut jewel. We fell asleep and was still able to get up and get her back by 4am. Her body was absolutely amazing. She had this perfect shaped bubble butt with these 32 DDs, they may have actually been E's. It was pretty amazing to see.

I was a little put off to find that she is an ex-dancer and I was not feeling her doing some oral when I had the condom on. That is a classic pro move, fortunately it was only for about a minute. We are supposed to meet on Saturday, but I'm not sure if I'm doing to go through with that date. I added an additional. 20. So the total damage was $.2.

(3 Women. 5 Days. 8 Dates)

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1795236]After reading many interesting and fact filled reports, all I can say is, if you have the time and the money there is no shortage of honey. This must be the best kept secret on earth. I envy the younger guys that will get so many more satisfying years of awesome babes to bang.[/QUOTE]It also shows that despite our society frowning upon prostitution, there are A LOT of women who are not too far removed from being convincing to do a little Pay-for-Play. It's not just your drug addicts and runaways. This forum is proof that women from all walks of life are willing to spread their legs pretty much to a complete stranger (who might also be several decades older) in exchange for a little financial support. What's really been eye-opening for me the last several years is just how many "normal" women will have sex with guys for money discretely. It really is the best kept secret. An upper middle class guy (even just middle class guy who is smart with their money) can pretty much live like a Hollywood playboy banging women a 1/3 or half his age.

I also agree that improving your wardrobe and other small touches can get you even better mileage. Last year I got a new luxury car and got a few nice clothes and it really helped my sugar bowl performance. It made the girls feel like they were with an actual sugar daddy. Especially the young ones rarely have been in luxury cars or nice restaurants, so a $50-60 dinner can make them feel like they're experiencing the "finer things in life", lol.

MsCoolnFine has went radio silence on me. This is day 3 and she has been more active on SA. She gave no indications that something was wrong. I was really excited about her. I thought she was going to make a honest SB out of me.

Anyway, on to Stl Day 6.

Tigg, my brother,

That is an astounding saga so far! Are you a porn star or something, or are you taking mega-doses of vitamin V? Keep up the good work, my man!

Living vicariously,

Scott

As a married man I try to limit my exposure to the FC. I will only go out 60 miles + from my home base minimizing the possibility of being spotted by the warden's jailers.

Like Hollywood, I prefer a night in doing fun stuff, like dining naked in bed, watching movies, reading, and of course fucking. Unlike many of you, even with chemical enhancement I am good for only one pop / day. The upside is that I can last 3 hours and sometimes wear out my Baby before I cum. I wish I could multi pop but it really has never been something I can do. Big Tigg (and others) I am in awe of your physical skills. Maybe in my next life.

UPDATE:

2 Pots on deck. Both sicilian as was my ATF #2. What's up with that? Any ethnic connection that you guys know about?

Pot #1 22 white 8/8/9 had a M&G last week and she wants to "date" a little before giving up the Quan. I told her the scoop locally so since she cooks I will have her to my pad and let her cook for me and see what comes up. She might be feeling it after getting a little tipsy and feeling the love. If not I will keep that program going until she needs the money badly enough to give it up. She says she is pretty desperate but is far from a Nando1. I give her a 70% chance of a score on the 1st date.

Pot #2 18 yr old! She is a nanny and I have always wanted to bang both an 18 yr old and a nanny. She is 9/9/8. A little quiet on the phone but seems down with sleeping together on the 1st date. These girls just are so easy.

SB #1 I am going to let go. She is sweet and young but is too chubby. I just have a thing about that. Also we had dinner twice and she drinks a lot and the cost for fine dining with cocktails, umbrella drinks, and wine is just too high just to get laid.

Former ATF # 3 My 10/10/10 has not gotten back to me as she said she would, so the writing is on the wall. It's been 5 days. I cannot imagine why she cooled on me because everything was great until it wasn't. Oh well. Tigg just reported on a regular who went silent. We all have those. It's hard to explain but they are also constantly looking and I guess they find a better deal.

[QUOTE=Randytomcatt;1795075]They can be encrypted. Of course,"what are these files that I can't open?" is not a good question to hear. Better in the cloud. When you delete from hard drive or flash drive, might want to use a shredder program which makes them pretty much unrecoverable.[/QUOTE]You can encrypt using EFS in Windows and make the folder and sub files hidden. Back your EFS key up to a flash drive or CDRW and store in a safe place.

Place the hidden directory under Program Files\Common or a driver directory like Dell or ATI, and then set the hidden attribute. That isn't a place someone that just uses the machine will be looking. I don't recommend a flash drive as it will show the space being used by all files making it easier to find. If the flash drive gets formatted there go your files.

Yes the cloud is good but, make sure you use a public service like Dropbox or Google Drive and don't use your name on the public email account (yahoo, hotmail, etc) that controls it.

When opening a browser session using IE always launch with ctrl+shift+P for a no tracks experience.

Hope this helps.

OOPs!

I guess most of you know what I meant. I like to limit my exposure in my home town. There are too many eyes and ears about. I like to maximize my exposure to the FC.

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1795575]It also shows that despite our society frowning upon prostitution, there are A LOT of women who are not too far removed from being convincing to do a little Pay-for-Play. It's not just your drug addicts and runaways. This forum is proof that women from all walks of life are willing to spread their legs pretty much to a complete stranger (who might also be several decades older) in exchange for a little financial support. What's really been eye-opening for me the last several years is just how many "normal" women will have sex with guys for money discretely. It really is the best kept secret. An upper middle class guy (even just middle class guy who is smart with their money) can pretty much live like a Hollywood playboy banging women a 1/3 or half his age.

I also agree that improving your wardrobe and other small touches can get you even better mileage. Last year I got a new luxury car and got a few nice clothes and it really helped my sugar bowl performance. It made the girls feel like they were with an actual sugar daddy. Especially the young ones rarely have been in luxury cars or nice restaurants, so a $50-60 dinner can make them feel like they're experiencing the "finer things in life", LOL.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go that far there are only like 500K-2 million girl on SA and only a minority of them stay on there for a long period.

Time usually because they only go on there because they are curious or as a joke and sometimes perverts scare them off with lewd messages.

There are 0ver 70 million adult woman in the USA so you are only talking about maybe 2 million between SB'S, pornstars. (UTR's BP girls and high end hookers)

So you are talking about maybe 1 to 4% of the population even among girls in the poorest neighborhoods, and a huge percentage of those girls have issues, especially if you look at the nando stories here.

Wow, I wish I could go 3 hours. I usually go about 45mins to an hour. Also to maximize time in between sessions, I use a variety of methods based on who I'm with. With my flyin, we did it Tuesday morning, but I did not orgasm. That gave me 36 hours between last orgasm and MsTallnDeprived showing up. Now every session did not end in a orgasm for me, but I am able to get aroused often, it's just that with my age, it may not always stay that way without a little help. Many women have appreciated the numerous little spurts of 10 mins each, LOL. I went Thursday morning then again late Thursday night (1am). So the timing has been spread around to keep my vitality. Also it helps when I'm having sex with the person for the first time. Lots of more emotional excitement which helps he physical excitement.

MsCoolnSlim did finally send a text she is dealing with some personal emotional issues. She's going to need some time before we can continue.

MsBigBoobs is supposed to be cumming tomorrow, she has not confirmed. I'm still surprised she expected money without the honey, LOL. I'm glad I stood my ground.

MsBackup has not texted much today she is supposed to be on for tomorrow noon, we'll see.

MsTallnDeprived is on her way and will be here within the hour. She's staying overnight, so the Day 6 report will be a little less hectic as I'll just be with one without any extra dates.

Thanks to all who have read and commented or PM'd. Without page counters, it's hard to know sometimes if folks are reading my ramblings or not.

My SA account has been expired for a week now. I have 23 email messages. Seems as though when you let your account expire, they place you in a prime position to be seen which then increases the number of emails you get. I'm not sure if I'm turning it back on yet, but I definitely will follow up on some of those leads.

BigTigg

I started using my Yahoo calendar that is attached to my SD account. So now I get reminders about a few hours in advance before meeting a SB or POT. Plus I can look back over the month and see my activity. It can be pretty ego lifting and sad at the same time, LOL.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=Infla8; 1795871]You can encrypt using EFS in Windows and make the folder and sub files hidden. Back your EFS key up to a flash drive or CDRW and store in a safe place.

Place the hidden directory under Program Files\Common or a driver directory like Dell or ATI, and then set the hidden attribute. That isn't a place someone that just uses the machine will be looking. I don't recommend a flash drive as it will show the space being used by all files making it easier to find. If the flash drive gets formatted there go your files.

Yes the cloud is good but, make sure you use a public service like Dropbox or Google Drive and don't use your name on the public email account (yahoo, hotmail, etc) that controls it.

When opening a browser session using IE always launch with ctrl+shift+P for a no tracks experience.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]CCleaner is good for cleaning up junk and removing old deleted files that are not really deleted from "unused" space. File Shredder can be used to delete files directly or clean hard drive space. Both easy to use and have versions that can run from a flash drive, don't have to install on your computer.

[QUOTE=Randytomcatt;1796195]CCleaner is good for cleaning up junk and removing old deleted files that are not really deleted from "unused" space. File Shredder can be used to delete files directly or clean hard drive space. Both easy to use.[/QUOTE]Folder Lock is also good. I installed my browser on the hidden folder. Therefore I can save all my bookmarks, etc. Unless I've opened the folder up via Folder Lock, the browser will not open. I keep all my files and pictures under a Folder Lock locker.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1795558]On the way out to her car she asked how I was going to get her the rest of the money.

I said in a very nice and apologetic tone,"oh I'm sorry, I was expecting intimacy on this date, that's why I said I would give you the rest of the money after our date was over, they are kinda connected".[/QUOTE]Much appreciated. That is a subtle, clear message for sure.

[QUOTE=HappyHunter44;1796579]Much appreciated. That is a subtle, clear message for sure.[/QUOTE]She text me back and is willing to meet today. I told her 3 hours. She is fine with that.

BigTigg

UPDATE:

The so-called virgin didn't contact me during the week, so I'm assuming she changed her mind. If I didn't have others on my plate, I'd be sad to see a missed opportunity. But I have had nibbles and catches this week, so it doesn't bother me as much to see the so-called virgin disappear.

Contacted a local college girl on SA. Met for dinner the next day, had a great time and everything seemed very promising. Met at a hotel a couple days later and there were several indications that she is a borderline pro, despite her proclamation that she had only done this once before. It makes me uneasy seeing a girl who comes across as a pro. Gave her my base sugar pay, but putting her on stand by while I assess the next couple of ladies that I have on the line.

Contacted another girl on SA, met for dinner a couple of days later. Nice girl, seemed a bit reserved, but I chalked it up a bit of shyness about initial meeting. She also said she had only done this once before, but unlike the other girl, she seems genuine. I found her on FB and several other locations and can verify who she is and what she does. Meeting with her this weekend at a hotel, I suspect it will the beginning of a promising relationship.

Had a lonely MILF (except she isn't a mother) contact me through a CL ad. Doesn't really want the sugar, more prefers the affection and the sex. Met at a park and talked for a long time. In the end, she said she wanted to think about it and I thought that would be that. Then we kissed, which led to more kissing, which led to roaming hands. We would have fucked, but female biology wasn't going to let that happen for a couple days. She wants to meet again soon, when she's not dealing with a monthly visitor.

It's amazing how I've gone from having zero prospects for quite some time to having more than I'm sure what to do with, all in just the span of a week.

Which website is most sucessful for the least investment in money? I am in Central Virginia and trying to find a semi regular thing.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;1796744]It makes me uneasy seeing a girl who comes across as a pro.[/QUOTE]What are the signs that your SB might be a UTR-pro, semi-pro or full blown pro?

Here is a few that are on my list.

1. She gives BJs with a condom on.

2. She seems to be on a semil-strict time limit.

3. The sugar seems to be hourly instead of per date.

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Fotoguy, what things gave you the idea she was a pro?

BigTigg

Here are some of my preferences, they usually help filter better. The more of these they say "yes" to, the better chance you have.

1. Does she have a degree, not just "some college"?

2. Does she want the money more than need money?

3. Is she uncomfortable taking money for her time?

4. Is she ok with not getting an allowance upfront, but dating instead? Moving toward an allowance later.

5. Is she on the site more for "attention" than the money?

6. Has her morals and standards kept her from getting some on the regular?

7. Does her definition of spoiling include the "little things"? (Candy, gifts, phone calls, flowers, hair, nails, time)

Even the ones are aren't expense only can be had with lower amounts of suga. My approach is to sell them on the long term value of dating and letting things happen "naturally". (Naturally actually means, that I'm going to romance you with affection into giving up the goodies ASAP, starting with the first date) This usually results in getting the goodies on the 2nd or 3rd date. In many cases I usually have no intentions of being with them long term, but the key is to make them believe that's what you want. I usually can hit it good for about 1 to 2 months, with just dating and giving a little extra every now and then.

The value that you bring has to be sexual and emotional pleasure, try to please them in as many ways as possible emotionally and physically. Once they trust that you really have their best interest at heart and they know that with you they can get multiple orgasms, then you can have them anyway you want and keep your expenses as low as possible. Don't go cheap and not give any money, the key is that they don't expect or require it. Therefore every time you give straight cash it's a bonus and brownie points. Also you have to be spending money and time spoiling in other ways, like #7.

Amazingly, it doesn't take as long as you might think.

BigTigg

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1796854]What are the signs that your SB might be a UTR-pro, semi-pro or full blown pro?

Fotoguy, what things gave you the idea she was a pro?

BigTigg[/QUOTE]Let me preface this by stating that I have major trust problems, so my radar is always "on" for blips that indicate dishonesty or things that just don't add up with what I'm being told. So I may be building something out of nothing, and if you look at these things individually, it was no big deal. But add them up, and she sure seems like she's at the very least a pro SB.

First off, she explained that she had only done this once before, and it was not a with a guy that she had met off SA or CL or whatever. It was with a guy she knew from RL and that the arrangement just sort of grew naturally. But things she said / did seems not to add up:

Grammar and context in initial messages on SA indicates she's had experience beyond what she indicated.

She had *very* high level of security. It's totally natural for every girl to have some level of security, but this girl had moves like a pro who has done this plenty of times. For example, when we entered the FC, she immediately zeroed in on a gym bag I had in the room, she walked up to it and opened it up and started going through it to make sure that "I didn't have anything to hurt her with", as she said.

At one point during the time together, she mentioned she has a girl friend she could bring to have a three way with and she quickly rattled off an amount and specifics for the two of them for an all night. She did it so quickly and without hesitation that it seemed like she had said that offer plenty of times to other guys in the past. That was the big red flag that she was a pro on some level.

Last night I was browsing through local girls on SA. I saw that a new profile was up, but the pictures of said profile were not approved yet, which is typical for SA. The profile sounded promising, so I sent her a message and gave her permission to view my private pictures that clearly show my face. This morning I log onto SA and see that the pictures of this girl's profile had been approved and were now viewable. Lo and behold, the profile belongs to the daughter of a woman I've briefly dated off and on over the span of several years! Yikes! Thankfully this girl hadn't viewed my profile yet, so I removed her permission to view my private pics and I'm hoping my public picture and profile are secure enough that she doesn't know it's me. It wouldn't be the end of the world if she did recognize me, I'd just prefer that she didn't. It was a very, very weird feeling seeing her on there. I'm really going to have to be more careful about giving private pic permissions in the future. Any similar stories from you guys on two worlds nearly colliding or actually colliding?

Well a very eventful week. So much going on. Just when you think you have these babies figured out. They can pull the rug out from under you. And this weekend I am just a little tired. Need to rest. Maybe even make it a quite week next week. Just to let my prostrate recharge a little. Then again some of these babies need to be fucked, in order to be maintained. So here goes the report:

REVVO_ATF: Not a word this week. She has been so consistent and I know she is traveling but not a peep. Always the most reliable meeting but not good with text or phone calls though. Maybe she is gone. Maybe she is coming back. I really don't know. I know I miss her. And she had the tightest little pussy of all of them. We shall see.

REVVO_OLD_ATF: Well my suspicions were true. I could feel the distance and the pulling away. And sure enough her impetuous nature and free spirit got her into a little too much financial trouble. And she is forced to have to move back in with her mother due to severe financial troubles. This has been very difficult for me since I am very fond of her and she was my first ATF. She told me in her goodbye letter that I was her first, only and last SD. I knew she had a hard time with this whole concept and it probably was a matter of time until she left. She is a first class woman with some very deep family problems. She was abandoned by her mother at an early age, and her father essentially stopped even paying attention to her at 15. This essentially left her on her own to raise herself. She became very successful and then lost it all in the recession recently. Anyway I think she has allowed herself to get into this bad situation in order to force the having to move back in with her mother in order to relive and try to capture that lost connection with her parents. Nothing I can do about this. Just move on. But I will warn you gentlemen. This game is risky from many angles, including your own emotional well being. Play carefully.

REVVO_POT1: Nothing going on. I could have fucked her but chose to put her in the back burner. Getting more choosy. I have had my share of settling. Too many POTS too little time. Feels good to cull out the women that want to fuck you. But you just don't have the time. New experience for me.

REVVO_POT2: I am plugging a new one in here. This is a POT that I tried for earlier in my career and she flaked a couple of times. But I detected something in her that is important. There are two types of flakes one is the flake that is just a scattered idiot and will be nothing but trouble. The other is a woman that is struggling with the whole P4P concept. I suspected she was in the second type. And boys that is your real amature. She can turn out to be a keeper. So this one was that type. But she texted me on Friday to meet and I had another POT3 that was flaking on me so I said WTF lets meet. We did and we had a blast. Few drinks. She comes from a rough childhood (which one of these babies does not) and is very intelligent and sweet. Young MILF 23YO white blond, very alternative looking, but sweet as can be. Not quite as good as her pics, but she is definitely the artistic type. I will give her a 7/7/9 for right now. She is now good to go and wants to meet next week. I believe she is ready to be fucked and fucked well. I am going to have to slot her in somewhere to see how she fucks.

REVVO_POT3: This one was mentioned in my supplemental report as an aside that she had contacted me from a previous email. So as you can see above she also falls into the 2nd flake category I mentioned. She rescheduled on Thursday and then flaked on Friday, but I had a feeling about her and so I contacted her with no animosity on Saturday. And she sheepishly admitted to having cold feet. I knew it. This could potentially be a really strong candidate. She is very beautiful from her pics. Tight little spinner body with nice tits and a face like an angel. Blond 28 YO MILF, very shy, and is totally unsure how this whole thing should work. I am giving her a 10/8/8 for right now. Lets see how she it goes when we meet. We are scheduled to meet Tuesday afternoon. I am hopeful, but not too invested. I fully expect this one to take a little time to develop but that does not mean I will not be trying to physically escalate as soon as possible.

REVVO_POT4: Another one that has contacted me from an old email. Looks like she is an amateur but is good to go. But not quite as hot as some of the others. She is a 29 YO Latina, short nice tits, I will give her a 6/7/7 for right now. Never know though. She may turn out to be great. She is single and has a real job with a real life. Seems quite normal. Could it be possible? I don't know. I am going to slow roll this one since I have so many other options. Maybe just do a M&G for now. Then schedule her for a good fuck session in a week or two.

REVVO_SB1: Got to see my little blond poor MILF on Friday afternoon. We had a great little lunch and then off to do some fucking. She was ready. It had been a while and she is so horny and orgasmic. I fucked her good. Pounded that ass hard from behind and she was loving it. As we get more intense she buries her face in the pillow and just jacks her little ass up in the air even more. She also gave me an awesome blow job. Good CIM and swallow. Loved it. But I still feel I can do better. She is extremely reliable and consistent. But I still have to be looking at who I am going to cut. Sadly she may go. Or just go onto the back burner as an occasional fuck. We shall see.

REVVO_SB2: This one is gone. Off the list.

REVVO_SB5: My little Latvian sweetie. Love this one. So intelligent so innocent and shy. So sincere. She has been treated poorly by men and needs someone to treat her right. She was a good fuck. Too shy and too passive but she promises me she will be more interesting next time. Beautiful face tight little body. 8/8/9 She is very responsive and communicates well. I have her sloted in for Monday afternoon. I am going to pound that pussy hard. And I know she loves it like that already. Most of them do. I can't wait to get her sucking my cock. I have a feeling she will be quite enthusiastic. This one has the makings of a great long term baby that is eager to please. The hold back is she is not the exciting personality type of my OLD_ATF, but few are.

REVVOSB6: This one is a dilemma. Easily the most beautiful one on the list. She is truly a model from Eastern Europe. She has two photo shoots this week. She is so gorgeous a face like an angel a body made to please, eyes that look right through you, she is a 10/9/6. And that is the problem. She is my non-kisser or should I say minimal kisser. I can get a few kisses out of her. She has promised me that she will warm up to me and trust me more over time. But I fear this girl is sad inside and will not come around. For right now I am going to be patient and keep her as a project. If anyone has any ideas on how to get her to come around. She is not a bad person. She is very honest, treats me with respect, does not try to scam me for money. Or even ask for money. But she is distant and a little cold. Cannot break through the wall. Then again she has warmed up a little. I fucked her again on Saturday and she was more affectionate and warmer. But could not get her to go for a second fuck. Usually women love this. She does not. Then we snuggled and I took her to a store that has all of her ethnic foods and people she could talk in her native language to. She loved this. It was the happiest that I have ever saw her. This was cool. I will be patient for now. But I have my doubts. Some tell me I should just forget about her. I don't know. If she was not so incredibly hot I probably would not bother.

There it is another week of debauchery, pussy, spending money and even some fun. Still have my doubts if I am doing this right. Probably all in my head. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Also a shout out to Tig, you are a monster dude. My hat is off to you. Keep up the pace as long as you can. Love the reports and the analysis.

Be careful out there.

REVVO

Hello again everyone.

Just a quick update as I sit here in my hotel waiting for the time to go and pickup SB1. What a wonderful couple weeks it has been since my introductory post. I've narrowed down from all the POTS to two babies. The first is the 18yo HYM spinner, which is who I'm seeing in about an hour. This will be our fourth FC visit, and I have no complaints with her once we're there. We both got tested together and have been going raw since we got the results, and it is just so much better than covered. I only have two complaints about her, which is that we never communicate except to schedule a FC visit and she is almost never ready on time. She makes up for it in the FC, but I do wish there was a little more there sometimes.

SB2 is a just turned 19 spinner. We made it to the FC for the first time yesterday, and have already scheduled our next visit. Also got tested with her, so hopefully will have the results soon and can go uncovered with her too. This one though seems like she could easily become my ATF. Had a great time in the FC, she was very enthusiastic and appreciative. She told me that she's been so sketched out by the guys contacting her on SD4M that she's going to shutdown her profile. She has a job and really only wants to get a little extra so she can save up and move to a nicer place, so she doesn't want to have more than one SD (not that I necessarily believe her, but we'll see).

Time to go pick up SB1 for a few hours of fun, but wanted to say thanks again to everyone here. The insights and knowledge in this thread is just incredible!

[QUOTE=Revvo;1797542]REVVOSB6: She is my non-kisser or should I say minimal kisser. I can get a few kisses out of her. She has promised me that she will warm up to me and trust me more over time. REVVO[/QUOTE]Kissers kiss. Non-kissers don't kiss. But good luck.

[QUOTE=Chronos74;1797654]She told me that she's been so sketched out by the guys contacting her on SD4M that she's going to shutdown her profile. She has a job and really only wants to get a little extra so she can save up and move to a nicer place, so she doesn't want to have more than one SD (not that I necessarily believe her, but we'll see).[/QUOTE]Very common. A lot of times if you don't jump right in they end up jump right off and you lose them forever.