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[QUOTE=LargeEss;4175190]I have had numerous Sb's using HG's strategy and payment schedule. Mostly AA's but some Latina's and one white woman in her thirties who had just a god given rack but was crazy so I said I found a girlfriend. Another young cutie who was really horny and agreed to me giving her a sensual massage and eating her out for $. She got soaking wet from the massage and I was hoping to move into FC but she kept her wits about her. The range of attractiveness has been from 4 to two honest to goodness 10's. Now, the 10's were one time things because once out of the situation, they wanted more $$. But it is a turn on for the unjaded young woman to go on this adventure, especially if you handle it right. I in my mid fifties, perhaps good looking enough but not in shape (I keep trying because I know I would reap the rewards.) I have two very important things going for me: I don't act creepy in the slightest and I know how to go down on a woman. I have a mid thirties White woman willing to meet me for no $ . At one point I had three AA women that never asked me for $. Two whom I still see. One is very cute. One is very sweet. Both have excellent skills and are open to anything I want. Do I get turned down a lot? Yes. The price point is a challenge. But I think anyone can get what they want on the site provided they have the capital. I don't find many of the white women on the site that attractive. I have always been attracted to Latinas and African American women. I don't mind bigger women because I have found they are amazing lovers. If I could afford to date Asians and Caucasians, I would pursue them. I have sent messages to Asian women on the site and they never respond. It sucks but I don't have a remedy. Perhaps getting in shape would change their outlook. Maybe they can tell, I don't have the capital. When a POT responds with shock, anger, or incredulousness at my offer, I either politely wish her good luck or if she is really desirable, will ask what is her price point for continuing. MOST times, this doesn't work because she is already insulted. The utr's will respond and usually it's around the $$ mark. The ones who are thinking about $$ and beyond, I have no interest in.[/QUOTE]"If I could afford to date Asians and Caucasians, I would pursue them. " hahahaha I laughed my ass off after reading that one. So much of our public discourse is so studiously PC and your comment just cut through all of the bullshit and laid it on the line. Kudos to you, brother, for speaking truth!

[QUOTE=Mile22;4175258]90% of the women I've seen (and there have been many) have been $200 ppm or less. All races. Black, white, latina, and (one) asian LOL.

The exceptions were MILFs (older women, or with children who were happy with $300 ppm. But we all know they generally ask for more anyway), and three girls who are actual bonafide models. Two asked for $2 k / mo, but got them both down to $450 ppm. I don't see either of them any more.

As for the other, she's happy with anything I give her within the $200-$450 pm range. Depends on how I'm feeling on the day and what her needs are.

Being decent looking will get them intrigued & get you in the ball park.

The keys to the kingdom (in my experience) are (1) not being a total fucking creep / perv in DMs (aka having some game & knowing how to ask qualifying questions), (2) meeting in person before discussing any sugar, and (3) repeating Step (1) in person. Don't be a weirdo, show some genuine interest in who they are as a person, make them laugh & feel comfortable. Fuck their mind a bit before you try to fuck their pussy.

The above advice is taken from both personal experience, and speaking with these girls about their experience on the site & what most of the approaches they receive are like.

It may seem like a lot of "work" to most guys. But the extra effort is what will separate the guys who get the top shelf girls for the $ that they want, from those who have to pay premiums, or don't get many responses at all.[/QUOTE]So, I am just now diving into the Bowl and, from what I am hearing, it seems like the reasonable range for a White / Asian SB is $3-4.

What I really can't figure out before starting to go on dates is whether it's easy or not easy to get them into bed on a PPM basis. Most of their profiles refer to allowances and insinuate a monthly basis of payment. Can I reasonably expect to just blah blah blah agree to a monthly thing, but get dirty with them once, pay them the PPM rate and then call it quits? Help a brother out here! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4175431]So, I am just now diving into the Bowl and, from what I am hearing, it seems like the reasonable range for a White / Asian SB is $3-4.

What I really can't figure out before starting to go on dates is whether it's easy or not easy to get them into bed on a PPM basis. Most of their profiles refer to allowances and insinuate a monthly basis of payment. Can I reasonably expect to just blah blah blah agree to a monthly thing, but get dirty with them once, pay them the PPM rate and then call it quits? Help a brother out here! Thanks.[/QUOTE]Based on what I'm seeing here and my own personal experience, the range is really subjective. I say this because I've had White / Asian girls for much less than $3-4.

It really depends on your looks, personality, persuasion. If the whole package of who you are and what you're offering (outside the $) is compelling / intriguing enough they'll accept it.

$3-4 for white / asian girls is not so much a hard and fast rule, as it is these girls being put on a pedestal.

Or I could be completely wrong, and I've just been incredibly lucky.

As far as PPM, what I tell girls who have asked for a set monthly allowance from the jump is "My previous arrangement (s) all started as a per meet to find chemistry, establish trust and find some consistency in our schedules. Once we have those 3 elements, and things are going smoothly, I'm open to revisiting the conversation. ".

Most are agreeable to that, and it's hard to argue against.

Those that try to find a way to argue against that are not worth the headache. Pass on them.

Maintain your frame, remember they need you more than you need them, and acknowledge that some of the best arrangements are the ones that you don't make.

[QUOTE=Mile22;4176028]Based on what I'm seeing here and my own personal experience, the range is really subjective. I say this because I've had White / Asian girls for much less than $3-4.

It really depends on your looks, personality, persuasion. If the whole package of who you are and what you're offering (outside the $) is compelling / intriguing enough they'll accept it.

$3-4 for white / asian girls is not so much a hard and fast rule, as it is these girls being put on a pedestal.

Or I could be completely wrong, and I've just been incredibly lucky.

As far as PPM, what I tell girls who have asked for a set monthly allowance from the jump is "My previous arrangement (s) all started as a per meet to find chemistry, establish trust and find some consistency in our schedules. Once we have those 3 elements, and things are going smoothly, I'm open to revisiting the conversation. ".

Most are agreeable to that, and it's hard to argue against.

Those that try to find a way to argue against that are not worth the headache. Pass on them.

Maintain your frame, remember they need you more than you need them, and acknowledge that some of the best arrangements are the ones that you don't make.[/QUOTE]Great advice. Thanks for the perspective. And I'm glad to hear that PPM works from the jump. I'll report back on my progress!

[QUOTE=Mile22;4176028]As far as PPM, what I tell girls who have asked for a set monthly allowance from the jump is "My previous arrangement (s) all started as a per meet to find chemistry, establish trust and find some consistency in our schedules. Once we have those 3 elements, and things are going smoothly, I'm open to revisiting the conversation. [/QUOTE]Or just tell them "You know... every LTR starts out as a one night stand. Let's see how we vibe and then go from there.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4176905]Or just tell them "You know... every LTR starts out as a one night stand. Let's see how we vibe and then go from there.[/QUOTE]I'm stealing this. Way simpler.

OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:

1. After a while, SB profiles really tend to blur together. To say they are repetitive is an understatement.

2. The super-cute ones never respond. I'm sure they're buried alive under requests for meetings.

3. There is something in the water in Fullerton, Anaheim and Long Beach because those bitches are flooding the zone on SA.

4. My inbox is getting hammered by SB's in Venezuela. What do they think I'm going to do? Come down there with a fucking tank division and blast my way to her neighborhood?? FFS.

5. Fully half of the SB's who respond to me or reach out are straight-up obvious hookers who aren't even playing the game.

6. The SB's are all battle-scarred and worn out by scammers and liars. I have no idea what games dudes are playing with these ladies, but it ain't pretty.

Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4177791]OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:

Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.[/QUOTE]Just my observation, I'd spend a few days reading the threads where major how-tos are posted. That specifically is Richmond VA sugar thread, and an archive of some of its best posts.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4177791]OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:

1. After a while, SB profiles really tend to blur together. To say they are repetitive is an understatement.

2. The super-cute ones never respond. I'm sure they're buried alive under requests for meetings.

3. There is something in the water in Fullerton, Anaheim and Long Beach because those bitches are flooding the zone on SA.

4. My inbox is getting hammered by SB's in Venezuela. What do they think I'm going to do? Come down there with a fucking tank division and blast my way to her neighborhood?? FFS.

5. Fully half of the SB's who respond to me or reach out are straight-up obvious hookers who aren't even playing the game.

6. The SB's are all battle-scarred and worn out by scammers and liars. I have no idea what games dudes are playing with these ladies, but it ain't pretty.

Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.[/QUOTE]More power to you bro if you get anywhere with the $1 meet & greet! Unlikely but live and learn and report back! Very detailed report. Nice!

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4177791]OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:

1. After a while, SB profiles really tend to blur together. To say they are repetitive is an understatement.

2. The super-cute ones never respond. I'm sure they're buried alive under requests for meetings.

3. There is something in the water in Fullerton, Anaheim and Long Beach because those bitches are flooding the zone on SA.

4. My inbox is getting hammered by SB's in Venezuela. What do they think I'm going to do? Come down there with a fucking tank division and blast my way to her neighborhood?? FFS.

5. Fully half of the SB's who respond to me or reach out are straight-up obvious hookers who aren't even playing the game.

6. The SB's are all battle-scarred and worn out by scammers and liars. I have no idea what games dudes are playing with these ladies, but it ain't pretty.

Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.[/QUOTE]Slow down there bro. You are so new they can smell it all the way across the internet. Cancel all your M&G's. Take a deep breath. Go fuck one of your regulars and start over. This time, quickly delete all the riff raff, pick 3 girls that are ringers for your fantasy girl. Graciously offer to take them to a nice lunch, or starbucks, but nothing above what you would spend in your normal daily life. And go from there.

I just read yet again on another thread about the high cost of a seeking membership. And in the same post something about how happy they were after dropping $$$ on a girl. I really don't get any ones aversion to the membership price. I don't care if you think that place is a scam and every girl is a pro. There are a ton of low mileage girls on that site.

[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]The creeper factor is high and lots of girls that would be open to 200 prices are creeped out fast by guys only requesting private photos and talking to them like they are pros. [blue][Deleted by Admin]

When you need to give them money to fuck them they are pros and the sooner they know that the better your price will be.

You post once a quarter and you're encouraging GPS, are you a chick?

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6. The SB's are all battle-scarred and worn out by scammers and liars. I have no idea what games dudes are playing with these ladies, but it ain't pretty.

[/QUOTE]From talking to them, it's one or more of:

1. Straight up financial scams from Indians and Nigerians. Give me all of your info and your bank account information, so I can pay you. Except it turns out the money flows in the opposite direction, and by the time the dumb girl finds out, it's too late.

2. Guys pretending to be ballers, but failing to follow through. (See every item below).

3. Guys offering $100 to fuck in a parked car.

4. Lonely guys who want to engage in endless texting / emailing. They really just want a pen pal.

5. Guys who want to take a test drive or get a freebie. After a girl falls for it 5 or 6 times, she starts to get angry.

6. Guys offering to put the girl on an official company payroll. She "dates" him for 2 weeks and then the paycheck never arrives.

Imagine if you were horny, desperate, and poor, and the types of scams you might run.

I'll admit I've jaded more than my share of girls, but it's usually because I get bored and drop them, or she doesn't want to be part of a harem. But they can never say I wasn't generous.

What I like about the post below is how you are tracking your numbers. As has been pointed out forever, it is a numbers game. Once you get that at a very intuitive level, your personal game will grow much stronger. You should DM every profile you favorite. Even if they are marginal. In my experience, very few women will ever respond to being favorited. I recommend you think about keeping a spreadsheet or table for the profiles for which you get a number. It helps to have a reliable place (not the notes section) where you capture the woman's data. This is back up in case she blocks you, gets banned or loses her password. I already have PII on about two-thirds of the women I agree to meet. Once you have some regular SB's you will continue to search but you will find it much easier to skip over questionable profiles and to say No to requests for money at the MnG. The downside to offering money is your scarce time / budget can be consumed by all the eager women who want money at the MnG and who will never sleep with you. (They are legion and they are looking especially for you.) I now consider any insistence for money up front or at the first meeting to be a sign the woman does not expect to meet a second time and she knows she needs to score immediately.

Bam.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4177791]OK, so I've put some serious hours into screening SB candidates on SA. My screening criteria are: 18-24, White / Asian, Slim, within 25 miles of L. A. I reviewed about 400 profiles, favorited 110 of them, passed DM's with about 25 of those and texted with 11 ladies so far. I have first meetings set up with 3 of them next week (all lunches / coffees). Here is what I've learned:

Now, I'm sure that some of you guys are going to yell at me for this, but in 2 of my 3 meetings, I agreed to pay $100 PPM for the first (coffee / lunch) meeting. I know it's probably not a good idea, but I need to get my sea legs here and don't want to seem cheap if the situation might actually develop into something I want. Go ahead, yell.[/QUOTE]

After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:

1. If you're searching for Latinas, only check the "Slim" box because every other box means fat-ass. An "athletic" Latina does not look like the captain of the swim team.

2. Fully 1/3 of female accounts must be bots. They include one photo, invariably a beautiful selfie or headshot, and a brief one-sentence profile consisting of some generic copy. They never reply. They also tend to list multiple locations, so the site gets more bang for the buck from the labor whom they are paying to create these fake profiles.

3. Any chick who initiates a DM is either a pro, a pig, or living in an impoverished country.

4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me.

5. After you favorite a chick, DM with her, text with her, exchange additional pics, agree on a type of arrangement and then make plans to meet, 50% flake at that moment. Not before, not after. Right at the moment of commitment.

6. The more copy a chick writes in her profile, the crazier she is.

7. The non-pros on the site really, really, really want to find some way to have a significant amount of non-transactional conversation with you so they can pretend that they're not engaged in the world's oldest profession.

8. After a while, you can read an entire profile in 5 seconds. They are so repetitious as to defy belief.

9. The large majority of chicks don't fill in the "Seeking" portion of their profile.

10. The most satisfying comment I've heard yet from a chick was after I described, in detail, exactly what I wanted from an arrangement. After about a minute, she texted back, "I'm down for the ride. ".

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4184909]After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:

10. The most satisfying comment I've heard yet from a chick was after I described, in detail, exactly what I wanted from an arrangement. After about a minute, she texted back, "I'm down for the ride. ".[/QUOTE]That an awesome list of advice. What is the template of your arrangement to seal the deal look like?

That's because like every single site that women use, you have to account for girl math: 20 really means 20 yo, 25 is really more like 30 yo, 33 is for sure 40 yo+, and if she's listed as above 40 there's no telling how old she might actually be but rest assured it's not the age listed.

So that girl listed as 27 is probably around 35.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4184909]After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:
4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me.
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[QUOTE=Blarharse;4184909]After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:

1. If you're searching for Latinas, only check the "Slim" box because every other box means fat-ass. An "athletic" Latina does not look like the captain of the swim team.

2. Fully 1/3 of female accounts must be bots. They include one photo, invariably a beautiful selfie or headshot, and a brief one-sentence profile consisting of some generic copy. They never reply. They also tend to list multiple locations, so the site gets more bang for the buck from the labor whom they are paying to create these fake profiles.

3. Any chick who initiates a DM is either a pro, a pig, or living in an impoverished country.

4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me.

5. After you favorite a chick, DM with her, text with her, exchange additional pics, agree on a type of arrangement and then make plans to meet, 50% flake at that moment. Not before, not after. Right at the moment of commitment.

6. The more copy a chick writes in her profile, the crazier she is.

7. The non-pros on the site really, really, really want to find some way to have a significant amount of non-transactional conversation with you so they can pretend that they're not engaged in the world's oldest profession.

8. After a while, you can read an entire profile in 5 seconds. They are so repetitious as to defy belief.

9. The large majority of chicks don't fill in the "Seeking" portion of their profile.

10. The most satisfying comment I've heard yet from a chick was after I described, in detail, exactly what I wanted from an arrangement. After about a minute, she texted back, "I'm down for the ride. ".[/QUOTE]I can vouch that every single thing you just said is incredibly on point. About #6 I won't even bother to contact anyone who's written a wall of text, that is a surefire sign that they are off in the head AND expect ridiculously high payouts (often with the expectation that there won't even be sex to start). I was in talks with one such lady who had a fucking book worth of text on her profile, DM me wanting to set up 300/ hr (not bad considering she looked decent) and then when I told I might consider it (thought I doubt I would gone through with it because I don't won't to pay that much) she text me back saying "Great! Just so that we are on the same page, my idea of the date would be DRINKS only (you have to pay for the drinks) and during the date we will discuss the possibility of more downstream in future dates;)" Needless to say I blocked her, had a good laugh and moved on with my day. If you can get some rich dickless wimp to pay you for a chance JUST to discuss the actual real date rates. Then hey more power to you.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f483c51f-42ae-4a34-b4a4-e34b4aecda76[/URL]

This girl straight out says she want 1200 per meet just to get to know each other but no sex. WTF. Funny thing is, I'm sure there's someone that will pay it.

[QUOTE=OcasianBoy;4192057][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f483c51f-42ae-4a34-b4a4-e34b4aecda76[/URL]

This girl straight out says she want 1200 per meet just to get to know each other but no sex. WTF. Funny thing is, I'm sure there's someone that will pay it.[/QUOTE]The key phrase "I'm not a prostitute". Meaning she plays guys for money until they get frustrated and leave.

So, I've been working SA like a coal miner and doing coffee dates or meets almost every day for 2 weeks now. Fucked 3 SB's (27,19 and 19). $5, $3 and $3.5.

This scene is exhausting, but completely addictive. There are so many new accounts joining in L. A. Every day that it's almost impossible to keep up. I say "almost" because I am, in fact, keeping up, but it's a lot of work. I cover Simi Valley to Irvine in my searches.

So glad that I jumped into the Bowl. I'm taking a temporary hiatus from Kgirls. BOOYAH.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4184909]After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:

1. If you're searching for Latinas, only check the "Slim" box because every other box means fat-ass. An "athletic" Latina does not look like the captain of the swim team.

2. Fully 1/3 of female accounts must be bots. They include one photo, invariably a beautiful selfie or headshot, and a brief one-sentence profile consisting of some generic copy. They never reply. They also tend to list multiple locations, so the site gets more bang for the buck from the labor whom they are paying to create these fake profiles.

3. Any chick who initiates a DM is either a pro, a pig, or living in an impoverished country.

4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me.

5. After you favorite a chick, DM with her, text with her, exchange additional pics, agree on a type of arrangement and then make plans to meet, 50% flake at that moment. Not before, not after. Right at the moment of commitment.

6. The more copy a chick writes in her profile, the crazier she is.

7. The non-pros on the site really, really, really want to find some way to have a significant amount of non-transactional conversation with you so they can pretend that they're not engaged in the world's oldest profession..[/QUOTE]Ten more things I've Learned About the Bowl.

11. Any chick who shows big boobs in her pix who does not share a full body shot has a fat tummy.

12. If a SB says 21, she's 21. If a SB says 22 or 23, she either means it or she's 25-26. If a SB says 24, she might be 30. There are some hard-looking 24's out there, my friends. If a SB says anything older than 24, YMMV.

13. Every coffee date I've had leads to fucking. I think a lot of SD's must be grotesque monsters.

14. Every SB has tattoos and / or piercings unless she says specifically in her profile "no tattoos or piercings"

15. There are 4 main categories of SB's in the 18-24 age range of Whites, Asians and Latinas. They are either: (1) straight-up hookers; (2) college girls who are too lazy to get jobs; (3) single moms who are struggling; or (4) very pretty girls who are kind of amazed that a rockstar or billionaire hasn't already found them and thrown Ferraris at them.

16. There is no nudity on the site at all, not in public pix or private pix. Almost no SB's, including the straight-up hookers, like to text nudes. I've texted with 100 SB's and haven't received a single nude pic. I don't ask for them, but they don't offer them, even when they're completely DTF.

17. The Bowl is fucking addictive, like crack. Do I want to check to see if there are any new hot 20 year-olds in the area who are DTF? Why, yes. Yes, I do. Every 5 minutes.

18. Some chicks deactivate their accounts and set up new accounts with the same pix. I see this every day; some new profile with pix that I remember seeing recently. Maybe they're bots or maybe bitches be crazy, but this is definitely happening.

19.18 year-old on SA are not looking to fuck. They are just playing around and then bailing out.

20. You don't want to live too far away from a SB, but you also don't want to live too close. I made a coffee date with a girl and she asked me to pick her up at her address, which turned out to be 0. 2 miles from my house, according to Google Maps. It was a 5-minute walk from my house. When I told her that, she instantly blocked my profile.

SB or UTR? Favorite a bunch of girls. Then look to see who is consistently at the top. Those are the UTR's.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4193686]SB or UTR? Favorite a bunch of girls. Then look to see who is consistently at the top. Those are the UTR's.[/QUOTE]Why would UTR's be reported at the top of a "Favorite Profile" list?

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4193964]Why would UTR's be reported at the top of a "Favorite Profile" list?[/QUOTE]Because they are the ones soliciting day in and day out. SB's usually take a more laid back approach.

Here is What I've Learned So Far. (Blarharse)

After jamming on SA hard as fuck for a week, here are things I have learned:

1. If you're searching for Latinas, only check the "Slim" box because every other box means fat-ass. An "athletic" Latina does not look like the captain of the swim team. (MOSTLY TRUE).

2. Fully 1/3 of female accounts must be bots. They include one photo, invariably a beautiful selfie or headshot, and a brief one-sentence profile consisting of some generic copy. They never reply. They also tend to list multiple locations, so the site gets more bang for the buck from the labor whom they are paying to create these fake profiles. (FALSE).

3. Any chick who initiates a DM is either a pro, a pig, or living in an impoverished country. (FALSE).

4. After a week on the site, 27 looks old as fuck to me. (VERY TRUE).

5. After you favorite a chick, DM with her, text with her, exchange additional pics, agree on a type of arrangement and then make plans to meet, 50% flake at that moment. Not before, not after. Right at the moment of commitment. (SLOW DOWN A LITTLE).

6. The more copy a chick writes in her profile, the crazier she is. (VERY TRUE).

7. The non-pros on the site really, really, really want to find some way to have a significant amount of non-transactional conversation with you so they can pretend that they're not engaged in the world's oldest profession. (LOL TRUE).

8. After a while, you can read an entire profile in 5 seconds. They are so repetitious as to defy belief. (TRUE).

9. The large majority of chicks don't fill in the "Seeking" portion of their profile. (MANY OF THOSE ARE JUST THE NEW PROFILES).

10. The most satisfying comment I've heard yet from a chick was after I described, in detail, exactly what I wanted from an arrangement. After about a minute, she texted back, "I'm down for the ride. ". (STICK AROUND, IT HAPPENS A LOT).

11. Any chick who shows big boobs in her pix who does not share a full body shot has a fat tummy. (TRUE).

12. If a SB says 21, she's 21. If a SB says 22 or 23, she either means it or she's 25-26. If a SB says 24, she might be 30. There are some hard-looking 24's out there, my friends. If a SB says anything older than 24, YMMV. (MOSTLY TRUE).

13. Every coffee date I've had leads to fucking. I think a lot of SD's must be grotesque monsters. (EVERY DATE?, YOU MUST BE A GOOD PAYER).

14. Every SB has tattoos and / or piercings unless she says specifically in her profile "no tattoos or piercings" (TRUE).

15. There are 4 main categories of SB's in the 18-24 age range of Whites, Asians and Latinas. They are either: (1) straight-up hookers; (2) college girls who are too lazy to get jobs; (3) single moms who are struggling; or (4) very pretty girls who are kind of amazed that a rockstar or billionaire hasn't already found them and thrown Ferraris at them. (AND GIRLS THAT JUST WANT SOME ADVENTURE IN THEIR LIVES, THEY ARE THE BEST).

16. There is no nudity on the site at all, not in public pix or private pix. Almost no SB's, including the straight-up hookers, like to text nudes. I've texted with 100 SB's and haven't received a single nude pic. I don't ask for them, but they don't offer them, even when they're completely DTF. (RARE, BUT IT HAPPENS, MOSTLY ALL PROS).

17. The Bowl is fucking addictive, like crack. Do I want to check to see if there are any new hot 20 year-olds in the area who are DTF? Why, yes. Yes, I do. Every 5 minutes. (TRUE).

18. Some chicks deactivate their accounts and set up new accounts with the same pix. I see this every day; some new profile with pix that I remember seeing recently. Maybe they're bots or maybe bitches be crazy, but this is definitely happening. (OR SOMETIMES THEY KICKED OFF AND HAVE TO MAKE A NEW PROFILE, OR THEY JUST LOSE THEIR PASSWORD).

19.18 year-old on SA are not looking to fuck. They are just playing around and then bailing out. (HALF-TRUE)(AND ALWAYS ASK FOR STATE ISSUED ID BEFORE YOU MEET IF THIS IS YOUR TARGET AGE).

20. You don't want to live too far away from a SB, but you also don't want to live too close. I made a coffee date with a girl and she asked me to pick her up at her address, which turned out to be 0. 2 miles from my house, according to Google Maps. It was a 5-minute walk from my house. When I told her that, she instantly blocked my profile. (TRUE, BUT NEVER TELL THEM WHERE YOU LIVE ANYWAY, EXCEPT GENERICALLY).

I have 4 UTR's to choose from this weekend. Will report back Monday.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4194229]I have 4 UTR's to choose from this weekend. Will report back Monday.[/QUOTE]Second one is my favorite. Been out of the bowl for a bit but returning hopefully next month.

[QUOTE=LargeEss;4194779]Second one is my favorite. Been out of the bowl for a bit but returning hopefully next month.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately she requested an increase in the allowance (so that ended it). So far I have a date with #4 for tomorrow night. I flaked on # 1 to see my SB / GF today. And # 3 is also pushing for more dinero.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4193572]So, I've been working SA like a coal miner and doing coffee dates or meets almost every day for 2 weeks now. Fucked 3 SB's (27,19 and 19). $5, $3 and $3.5.

This scene is exhausting, but completely addictive. There are so many new accounts joining in L. A. Every day that it's almost impossible to keep up. I say "almost" because I am, in fact, keeping up, but it's a lot of work. I cover Simi Valley to Irvine in my searches.

So glad that I jumped into the Bowl. I'm taking a temporary hiatus from Kgirls. BOOYAH.[/QUOTE]Please clarify -.

$5, $3 and $3. 5.

500,300, and 350?

Damm you are spoiling these hoes -.

[QUOTE=PointDexterJr;4194957]Please clarify -.

$5, $3 and $3. 5.

500,300, and 350?

Damm you are spoiling these hoes -.[/QUOTE]The 500 was an overpay, for sure. The 300 was a bargain and the 350 was a slight overpay. I don't think I could say 200 to one of them without getting embarrassed. These are cute 20 year-old girls.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4195121]The 500 was an overpay, for sure. The 300 was a bargain and the 350 was a slight overpay. I don't think I could say 200 to one of them without getting embarrassed. These are cute 20 year-old girls.[/QUOTE]Mind sharing who they are, if you're not seeing them again.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4195121]The 500 was an overpay, for sure. The 300 was a bargain and the 350 was a slight overpay. I don't think I could say 200 to one of them without getting embarrassed. These are cute 20 year-old girls.[/QUOTE]I hear you. It wasn't that long ago though when we were getting Non-Pros in the 60 to 100 range. I felt embarrased too so I would take some out, and sometimes they would just call to fuck for free. The sugar daddy websites really messed up the game and gave young ladies high expectations.

[QUOTE=OcasianBoy;4195203]Mind sharing who they are, if you're not seeing them again.[/QUOTE]Just post the links to their profiles.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4194910]Unfortunately she requested an increase in the allowance (so that ended it). So far I have a date with #4 for tomorrow night. I flaked on # 1 to see my SB / GF today. And # 3 is also pushing for more dinero.[/QUOTE]I almost exclusively "date" professionals, but this nonpro scene is intriguing. It seems like the nonpros constitute a totally different experience than the professionals. Like, for example, the professionals are on certain websites, but the nonpros are only one the sugar daddy sites. That is a huge difference. In all other respects, I. E. , they fuck for money, they want more money, they do outcall, they fuck many guys for money, they demand more money from other guys, they do incall, and they need money, it seems they are the same, but man, that website makes all the difference. I love this nonpro stuff, it is so different.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;4195787]I almost exclusively "date" professionals, but this nonpro scene is intriguing. It seems like the nonpros constitute a totally different experience than the professionals. Like, for example, the professionals are on certain websites, but the nonpros are only one the sugar daddy sites. That is a huge difference. In all other respects, I. E. , they fuck for money, they want more money, they do outcall, they fuck many guys for money, they demand more money from other guys, they do incall, and they need money, it seems they are the same, but man, that website makes all the difference. I love this nonpro stuff, it is so different.[/QUOTE]And then there are the ones that are loyal. If you are looking for that sort of thing. But then you get on the hook as their only source of income outside of their regular job. And the emotional hook of being the BF. Not every ones cup of tea. I like the mix of the two. About 3 months ago my current SB/GF (who still plays guys for money) stopped asking for her allowance. Soon there after I noticed our sessions were getting a bit shorter. I didn't mind too much as I wasn't paying her anymore. Just regular dating expenses like food or the room if we got one. Then a week or so ago, I basically told her, we just dont fuck as long as we used to (although we fuck far more often). She was like "well when you were paying for it I felt obligated". but not anymore. lol. I am very happy, but it just shows that the dynamics can change, and you have to be ready for the GF relationship stuff.

I guess what I am trying to say is that every possible relationship dynamic is possible in the bowl. This is just one example. I am a go with the flow kinda guy. So I appreciate where ever it leads, and try to have as few expectations as possible. I am just looking to have a good time at a fair price, anything more than that and I feel blessed.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;4195787]I almost exclusively "date" professionals, but this nonpro scene is intriguing. It seems like the nonpros constitute a totally different experience than the professionals. Like, for example, the professionals are on certain websites, but the nonpros are only one the sugar daddy sites. That is a huge difference. In all other respects, I. E. , they fuck for money, they want more money, they do outcall, they fuck many guys for money, they demand more money from other guys, they do incall, and they need money, it seems they are the same, but man, that website makes all the difference. I love this nonpro stuff, it is so different.[/QUOTE]Also if you read the post it says they are all UTR's. Not NP's. Actually # 4 was going to do it for free. But she flaked. I am sure she is sleeping because I know she works graveyard starting at midnite. Glad I have a regular, when my live in goes out with her GF's tonite I am going to uber her over.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4196411]Also if you read the post it says they are all UTR's. Not NP's. Actually # 4 was going to do it for free. But she flaked. I am sure she is sleeping because I know she works graveyard starting at midnite. Glad I have a regular, when my live in goes out with her GF's tonite I am going to uber her over.[/QUOTE]Professional. Gal who has a presence on on the internet, but not SA, and fucks for money.

Non pro. Gal who is on SA, and may be on other sites on the internet, and fucks for money.

UTR. Gal who is on SA, and fucks for free, making it appear to the untrained eye that she is in fact a pro, and because she always flakes, may actually be a nonpro.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;4198500]Professional. Gal who has a presence on on the internet, but not SA, and fucks for money.

Non pro. Gal who is on SA, and may be on other sites on the internet, and fucks for money.

UTR = Gal who is on SA, and fucks for free, making it appear to the untrained eye that she is in fact a pro, and because she always flakes, may actually be a nonpro.[/QUOTE]Professional = pro. Uses any and all marketing tactics to get clients, as many as possible.

UTR. A pro on the down low. Uses the SD sites due to being busted on the street or some other bad experience.

SB = takes cash for sex (preferably monogamous, but no guarantees)(could be high or low mileage).

Non pro (conservative definition) = you are the first guy she has ever taken money from for sex.

Non pro (liberal definition) = may have taken money for sex a few times but still a novice (not hardened in any way and really has no clue what they are doing... yet).

Also an SB or non pro may want to do all the GF stuff and spend a bunch of time with you, get emotionally connected, etc. Something a pro or UTR is not likely to do. Its all very nuanced, but the bottom line is you can score a lot of very low mileage gals at good prices, many from middle class or even upper class homes. College girls galore, and girls with heavy sex fantasies, party girls, just all around fun girls. If that's what you want. Many guys do not for just as many reasons.

Today my SB/GF (not monogamous) says to me, "you never take me anywhere, every time I see you all we do is fuck"... Official GF status has kicked in. She doesn't ask for my cash, just the normal dating expenses, feels entitled to see me at least 3 times a week. etc. etc. When she was on allowance I saw her max once a week. Its all I could afford. But she wanted more, so she agreed to take less. Its all in the balance and where you want the pendulum to swing.