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[QUOTE=AsianAssEater;6606552]Anybody know if Diva plans to stop in LA? Saw that she is in OC again but last time she was in OC she didn't stop in LA. Just curious if anyone knows because I want to see if all the claims of throat goddess are true. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Is Diva not with M right now?
[QUOTE=SolarisMan;6606185]Since I have not performed I'd check on Ina, I am agreeing and guessing that Ina age is range between 27-32. So the age of 28 make sense to me, so as the age of low 30.
Either way, Ina is great to me and I like her. So, I really do not care even if she was an actually 40 years old, an age that is top of my threshold for my liking someone.[/QUOTE]Ina has to be over 30. As a young Korean guy who is friends with mostly Koreans, her mannerisms are not that of a 20 something Korean girl. Ring and Maia are under 30. Even Hana can pass as under 30 though she might be there now.
It's hard for me to repeat with Ina often though because her quirkiness is a turn off for me, even though she has probably the prettiest pussy out of every kgirl, aside from Stella maybe. Her service is also just whatever to me, yes it's good but I don't know if it's worth repeating over. Maybe I'm just not a service guy, but I still think Hana, Maia, and even NG are better in bed. I think the main appeal for me is that Ina is almost a carbon copy of yekong physically. Her sex face is especially hot through a mirror for that reason.
[QUOTE=SolarisMan;6606407]Those three buildings are staffed with unofficial attache from North Korean. I do believe that most all crew members of defunct SFK, Kbliss and Sessang and subsidiaries are NK.[/QUOTE]NGL for a second I thought you said subsidiaries OF NK (as my life briefly flashed before my eyes lmao).
[QUOTE=AlexisDavis;6606733]Ina has to be over 30. As a young Korean guy who is friends with mostly Koreans, her mannerisms are not that of a 20 something Korean girl. Ring and Maia are under 30. Even Hana can pass as under 30 though she might be there now.
It's hard for me to repeat with Ina often though because her quirkiness is a turn off for me, even though she has probably the prettiest pussy out of every kgirl, aside from Stella maybe. Her service is also just whatever to me, yes it's good but I don't know if it's worth repeating over. Maybe I'm just not a service guy, but I still think Hana, Maia, and even NG are better in bed. I think the main appeal for me is that Ina is almost a carbon copy of yekong physically. Her sex face is especially hot through a mirror for that reason.[/QUOTE]
Ina age is a non-issue for me; 27 or 37, I am cool with her and she is very passionate with me. I have seen her five times and it is amazing each and every time.
If you have watched the movie Savages (2012) which stars Blake Lively with stage name of O. O shares two lovers in the same house and one lover is named Ben and the other lover is named Chon. Ben is soft and sensuous and Chon is an animal who savages O when they make love or have sex. O describes her two lovers in the movie narrative as her "Yin" and "Yang" which is a Chinese philosophical concept that describes opposite but interconnected forces.
Yes! Maia is my Yin and Ina is my Yang. Maia screws me violently and Ina likes it gently and I have done both of them back to back in one day.
So, in all honesty, the ages of these two are not important to me.
[QUOTE=PumpNDump;6606178]Kbliss new flesh alert. A new piece of meat to savor over, unknown if a rebrand, but is all inclusive no upsell.
Viki Jangmi Hana Maia Juni Ina.[/QUOTE]Its funny to see the recycled outfits. On that note does anyone ask booker for girl to be wearing something specific and is that granted?
[QUOTE=DaeWrong;6605707]Facts but not just women. I am Asian and in my mid 30's. Most people still think I am 18-21 LOL.
But ya you can tell with the looseness on her belly when she's CG or DS.
Maia and Juni have become my favorites because of this; well and they have a nice peach bottom. Ina does have a great personality but with all the other talent around hard for me to see her again.[/QUOTE]I saw maia and she was really fit but my understanding was Juni is not really that toned?
[QUOTE=MiamiHeat2020;6607033]Its funny to see the recycled outfits. On that note does anyone ask booker for girl to be wearing something specific and is that granted?[/QUOTE]Oh Yeah. No big deal for many of the bookers to accommodate the request.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeat2020;6607040]I saw maia and she was really fit but my understanding was Juni is not really that toned?[/QUOTE]Juni is not as toned or anywhere like Maia in service or body.
[QUOTE=SolarisMan;6607046]Juni is not as toned or anywhere like Maia in service or body.[/QUOTE]Maia's throat is a snowflake, when compared to Juni's battle-tested sword-swallowing skills. If her throat was featured in a video game, it would be the final boss.
Saw this new girl started this afternoon name Jang Mi / Iris with D cups, photo look realistic and prob done in the same studio with Krystal who wore that blue school girl outfit too (exactly the same).
Her stats shows 5'5 with 99 lbs and a 34 D, which I have a strong feeling of famous Tits on a stick Remi figure to it but with whiter skin tone.
Everything looks promising, did anyone got the 1st dip this afternoon?
Please share any insight if you have any, very interested in this one, as you know, I'm a big time boob guy, LOL.
Jane KGLA [URL]https://myalbum.com/album/8sr6XVaTzsPc/[/URL].
Kbliss [URL]https://kbliss.net/jangmi[/URL].
Sesang [URL]https://www.sesanggirls.com/models-iris/[/URL].
CGLA [URL]https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/iris[/URL].
MKG [URL]https://mykgirls.com/sawtelle[/URL].
[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;6607086]Saw this new girl started this afternoon name Jang Mi / Iris with D cups, photo look realistic and prob done in the same studio with Krystal who wore that blue school girl outfit too (exactly the same).
Her stats shows 5'5 with 99 lbs and a 34 D, which I have a strong feeling of famous Tits on a stick Remi figure to it but with whiter skin tone.
Everything looks promising, did anyone got the 1st dip this afternoon?
Please share any insight if you have any, very interested in this one, as you know, I'm a big time boob guy, LOL.
Jane KGLA [URL]https://myalbum.com/album/8sr6XVaTzsPc/[/URL].
Kbliss [URL]https://kbliss.net/jangmi[/URL].
Sesang [URL]https://www.sesanggirls.com/models-iris/[/URL].
CGLA [URL]https://www.candygirlla.com/portfolio-1/iris[/URL].
MKG [URL]https://mykgirls.com/sawtelle[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Her waist line look definitely photoshopped; Just saying. Although if memory serves me right, they tend to PSD everyone waist line.
[QUOTE=SsStuntCock;6606264]International destinations? Listen to me now, believe me later: The standard rate in the Bay has been 280 all-in for the last 12 months; it was 260 for even longer than that, and held steady at 220 from circa 2015-2019. And it's widely accepted that the rates on the Bay increased to keep up with the rates in SoCal.
I've always said, wait for a good SWA sale and the money saved on upcharges from [I]just one girl[/I] will pay for your flights.[/QUOTE]I've experienced what SS is talking about. I didn't make a point to SWA up there for this, but was already in the area and took a chance. Paid off well. Can't believe that Los Angeles is able to stay alive with the upcharge crap going on. And yes, I've posted about international before, am aware of it, and it's even better if you're able to get your ass over there.
[QUOTE=SolarisMan;6607043]Oh Yeah. No big deal for many of the bookers to accommodate the request.[/QUOTE]Oh sweet what do you all ask for?
[QUOTE=SolarisMan;6607091]Her waist line look definitely photoshopped; Just saying. Although if memory serves me right, they tend to PSD everyone waist line.[/QUOTE]Especially the blue skirt pic looks pretty P.S.'d.
I think Elle's tiny waist is the best I remember with a decent booty. The small waist makes everything look better. Eva was super toned too so she looked great. Anyone else you guys know that has a very small waist with a half decent booty so there's some nice curves going on?
[QUOTE=MiamiHeat2020;6607105]Especially the blue skirt pic looks pretty P.S.'d.
I think Elle's tiny waist is the best I remember with a decent booty. The small waist makes everything look better. Eva was super toned too so she looked great. Anyone else you guys know that has a very small waist with a half decent booty so there's some nice curves going on?[/QUOTE]Bon / Emma. I'd go see her weekly if she removed her upcharge which I think she should since she's in her 40's LOL.
[QUOTE=SsStuntCock;6606264]International destinations? Listen to me now, believe me later: The standard rate in the Bay has been 280 all-in for the last 12 months; it was 260 for even longer than that, and held steady at 220 from circa 2015-2019. And it's widely accepted that the rates on the Bay increased to keep up with the rates in SoCal.
I've always said, wait for a good SWA sale and the money saved on upcharges from [I]just one girl[/I] will pay for your flights.[/QUOTE]Well I live in LA so TJ is like a 2-3 hour drive. Easy. But then again, I don't always feel safe about going BBFS with Latinas LOL. Nor is their service generally as good as kgirls.
And perhaps to a far worse degree. Simps, idiots ruining the TJ scene by wanting to flex around other mongers? Dumb mindset. Its almost not worth the effort, but the environment is fun if going with friends and its always nice to be able to 'shop' for your goods LOL.
[QUOTE=NewLegion;6606348]Yep exactly.
Maia + Ina do what they do at their price point due to a mix of smart, savvy and hunger.
Which makes total sense considering their background (NK).
They understand they can't do this forever so they are maximizing their earnings via volume.
When it's all said and done they will have saved up a large enough nestegg to set themselves up for the future (probably buy a home or 2).
Kudos to them!
Whereas most of the upcharge girls from SK are not nearly as determined. They are happy to see a handful of guys a day to make a few extra bucks and have a reason to travel. The difference in mindset is quite compelling - for most girls in SK life pretty much revolves around flexing for the 'gram'.[/QUOTE]Wdym background (NK)? You mean they're both from north korea?? Idk if these girls are saving up true nest eggs. They've both been in the game for like a half year now? Maia just went on a shopping spree at Cartier. Not sure if it was a client that is being stupid? Or she blowing her nestegg on jewelry LOL.
Also, are we giving these girls too much credit on their 'planning for their future' ability? Lmao.
[QUOTE=AlexisDavis;6606733]Ina has to be over 30. As a young Korean guy who is friends with mostly Koreans, her mannerisms are not that of a 20 something Korean girl. Ring and Maia are under 30. Even Hana can pass as under 30 though she might be there now.
It's hard for me to repeat with Ina often though because her quirkiness is a turn off for me, even though she has probably the prettiest pussy out of every kgirl, aside from Stella maybe. Her service is also just whatever to me, yes it's good but I don't know if it's worth repeating over. Maybe I'm just not a service guy, but I still think Hana, Maia, and even NG are better in bed. I think the main appeal for me is that Ina is almost a carbon copy of yekong physically. Her sex face is especially hot through a mirror for that reason.[/QUOTE]Ina is a tough age to read due to the work she's had done. But she's definitely a pro. I also find it weird that she speaks Chinese.
I wouldn't be surprised if she was a rebrand after she started in LA and / or she was a long-time pro before coming to LA.
[QUOTE=SolarisMan;6607032]Ina age is a non-issue for me; 27 or 37, I am cool with her and she is very passionate with me. I have seen her five times and it is amazing each and every time.
Yes! Maia is my Yin and Ina is my Yang. Maia screws me violently and Ina likes it gently and I have done both of them back to back in one day.
So, in all honesty, the ages of these two are not important to me.[/QUOTE]Maia is just a nymph, which I love. Again, I'm younger so I'd prefer it if a girl wasn't the same age as me or even close. Otherwise I'd go out to a club and pull late 20's, early 30's civies all day.
But I also don't care for the effort / drama.
Maia is also always horny which I appreciate. Last visit, I had her juices literally pooling in my asshole and on her bed. 2nd pop became a fuckin sticky swamp fuck.
But I need that variation. Because last 2 times visits I couldn't get off 2nd round and hadda fake an O just to get her off my dick LOL.
[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;6607086]Saw this new girl started this afternoon name Jang Mi / Iris with D cups, photo look realistic and prob done in the same studio with Krystal who wore that blue school girl outfit too (exactly the same).
Her stats shows 5'5 with 99 lbs and a 34 D, which I have a strong feeling of famous Tits on a stick Remi figure to it but with whiter skin tone.[/QUOTE]Would love to try if anyone is willing to bite the bullet here LOL. Missing some variation.
Would have rotated between krystal and maia but krystal is MIA.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeat2020;6607105]Especially the blue skirt pic looks pretty P.S.'d.
I think Elle's tiny waist is the best I remember with a decent booty. The small waist makes everything look better. Eva was super toned too so she looked great. Anyone else you guys know that has a very small waist with a half decent booty so there's some nice curves going on?[/QUOTE]Anyone care to share this Eva's link? As yall know the site does not work with three letter search, LOL.
[QUOTE=MiamiHeat2020;6607105]Especially the blue skirt pic looks pretty P.S.'d.
I think Elle's tiny waist is the best I remember with a decent booty. The small waist makes everything look better. Eva was super toned too so she looked great. Anyone else you guys know that has a very small waist with a half decent booty so there's some nice curves going on?[/QUOTE]I was impressed with Baby Peach's figure. Not as tight and toned as Elle but slim waist and kind of a booty, but the booty was not super toned, just a bigger kind of saggy booty. I still thought she looked great.
[QUOTE=AlexisDavis;6606733]Ina has to be over 30. As a young Korean guy who is friends with mostly Koreans, her mannerisms are not that of a 20 something Korean girl. Ring and Maia are under 30. Even Hana can pass as under 30 though she might be there now.
It's hard for me to repeat with Ina often though because her quirkiness is a turn off for me, even though she has probably the prettiest pussy out of every kgirl, aside from Stella maybe. Her service is also just whatever to me, yes it's good but I don't know if it's worth repeating over. Maybe I'm just not a service guy, but I still think Hana, Maia, and even NG are better in bed. I think the main appeal for me is that Ina is almost a carbon copy of yekong physically. Her sex face is especially hot through a mirror for that reason.[/QUOTE]I just looked up Yekong and her face is a is definitely resembles Ina! Good catch.
[URL]https://www.hkmarket1314.com/en/blog/309602/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MiamiHeat2020;6607105]Especially the blue skirt pic looks pretty P.S.'d.
I think Elle's tiny waist is the best I remember with a decent booty. The small waist makes everything look better. Eva was super toned too so she looked great. Anyone else you guys know that has a very small waist with a half decent booty so there's some nice curves going on?[/QUOTE]Eva's body and her ass was excellent and Eva's face was acceptable. If that woman had a better face, she could have ruled but her body made her a superior fuck species.
[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;6607169]Anyone care to share this Eva's link? As yall know the site does not work with three letter search, LOL.[/QUOTE]Eva's link [URL]https://kbliss.net/eva[/URL].
[QUOTE=Phazze93;6607154]Well I live in LA so TJ is like a 2-3 hour drive. Easy. But then again, I don't always feel safe about going BBFS with Latinas LOL. Nor is their service generally as good as kgirls.
And perhaps to a far worse degree. Simps, idiots ruining the TJ scene by wanting to flex around other mongers? Dumb mindset. Its almost not worth the effort, but the environment is fun if going with friends and its always nice to be able to 'shop' for your goods LOL.
Wdym background (NK)? You mean they're both from north korea?? Idk if these girls are saving up true nest eggs. They've both been in the game for like a half year now? Maia just went on a shopping spree at Cartier. Not sure if it was a client that is being stupid? Or she blowing her nestegg on jewelry LOL.
Also, are we giving these girls too much credit on their 'planning for their future' ability? Lmao.[/QUOTE]Ain't so true! Raw dogging Latina seems risky propositions particularly in TJ. I do have a two civilians from TJ that I see once in awhile and I still use condom with them and even though that both are great and passionate lay. What makes TJ fun is that abundance of options! In any night at HK, you can see 50-100 girls in HK with 5-10 that are very hot and young.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;6607154]Also, are we giving these girls too much credit on their 'planning for their future' ability? Lmao.[/QUOTE]I own property in Korea so am always curious if I am meeting a neighbor. Out of the 10 K-providers I reviewed this year I can confirm 8 already own property there. Remember a woman's goal is security. If they purchase finer things it's because most are making 200 k a year with multiple mini vacations and no taxes. Plus, the gifts guys give them.
Kbliss humpday roster. Jangmi has changed her name to Iris.
Viki Iris Hana Maia Juni Ina.
[QUOTE=Christophe1;6607442]I own property in Korea so am always curious if I am meeting a neighbor. Out of the 10 K-providers I reviewed this year I can confirm 8 already own property there. Remember a woman's goal is security. If they purchase finer things it's because most are making 200 k a year with multiple mini vacations and no taxes. Plus, the gifts guys give them.[/QUOTE]I agree, a few I see a lot have property back home, but unfortunately, there are those so sad stories, ie, one has been working here for 4-5 years, with zero to her name due to? Casinos:
[QUOTE=SolarisMan;6607032]Yes! Maia is my Yin and Ina is my Yang. Maia screws me violently and Ina likes it gently and I have done both of them back to back in one day.
[/QUOTE]Just curious if they joked around or said anything about seeing them back to back. Sometimes these girls can be very competitive.
Baby Mina of CGLA: JAV, young, A cup breast size (CGLA listed her as a C cup), pretty face and unshaved down there. She is young and seems to be new to this, you would have to lead her, she hasn't mastered the routine that Korean providers do from shower to CIP. Pussy felt real nice. Speaks very little English. Hope this intel helps.
[QUOTE=RockItAllNite;6607297]I just looked up Yekong and her face is a is definitely resembles Ina! Good catch.
[URL]https://www.hkmarket1314.com/en/blog/309602/[/URL][/QUOTE]And this is the difference between those that are perceptive to asian faces and those that are not.
Don't get me wrong Ina was good the one time I saw her and she's sexy esp her sultry face, but Ina doesn't resemble this yekong gal. Yekong looks 10 years younger, smaller face, and odds are tight young bod.
[QUOTE=Chancas;6607626]Just curious if they joked around or said anything about seeing them back to back. Sometimes these girls can be very competitive.[/QUOTE]Yes absolutely.
I did a back to back (Maia first then Ina).
When I greeted Ina I joked about how I need a quick breather first because I just got done with her roommate and she was not at all happy about that.
She even got visibly upset when I couldn't finish with her - she takes great pride in her craft!
[QUOTE=Chancas;6607626]Just curious if they joked around or said anything about seeing them back to back. Sometimes these girls can be very competitive.[/QUOTE]As you all know, both Maia and Ina speak almost no English. So, I have no idea if they complimented me, cuss at me or joked about me. All I know is that Ina played her part really well and she became my Ying that day.
[QUOTE=NewLegion;6607865]Yes absolutely.
I did a back to back (Maia first then Ina).
When I greeted Ina I joked about how I need a quick breather first because I just got done with her roommate and she was not at all happy about that.
She even got visibly upset when I couldn't finish with her - she takes great pride in her craft![/QUOTE]Yes! Maia can drain you like there is no tomorrow: She will be a great last fuck for any man.
[QUOTE=NewLegion;6607865]Yes absolutely.
I did a back to back (Maia first then Ina).
When I greeted Ina I joked about how I need a quick breather first because I just got done with her roommate and she was not at all happy about that.
She even got visibly upset when I couldn't finish with her - she takes great pride in her craft![/QUOTE]Early on Maia was so stressed over Ina, always worried about her looks / makeup, but now that she is becoming a nympho and getting busier, she seems more content lately.
[QUOTE=Slicer4;6607905]Early on Maia was so stressed over Ina, always worried about her looks / makeup, but now that she is becoming a nympho and getting busier, she seems more content lately.[/QUOTE]Yes she would see Ina getting booked all day and feel bad about not getting the same attention. I think it stemmed back to some of her earlier not so good reviews back when she started in ktown. She was new to the job and needed some time to figure things out. Boy has she done that! I personally like her slightly more than Ina. Ina can be a tad bit too quirky, maybe even moody or mysterious at times. Whereas Maia's consistency rivals Mcdonalds (speaking of which I always stop by the Mcds next door after a long session for a postgame victory meal lmao). Always brimming with high energy, positivity and sexuality she always brings her A game - a consummate professional!
[QUOTE=NewLegion;6607931]Yes she would see Ina getting booked all day and feel bad about not getting the same attention. I think it stemmed back to some of her earlier not so good reviews back when she started in ktown. She was new to the job and needed some time to figure things out. Boy has she done that! I personally like her slightly more than Ina. Ina can be a tad bit too quirky, maybe even moody or mysterious at times. Whereas Maia's consistency rivals Mcdonalds (speaking of which I always stop by the Mcds next door after a long session for a postgame victory meal lmao). Always brimming with high energy, positivity and sexuality she always brings her A game - a consummate professional![/QUOTE]McD's ftw! Same, LOL.
[QUOTE=DankDonk;6607794]And this is the difference between those that are perceptive to asian faces and those that are not.
Don't get me wrong Ina was good the one time I saw her and she's sexy esp her sultry face, but Ina doesn't resemble this yekong gal. Yekong looks 10 years younger, smaller face, and odds are tight young bod.[/QUOTE]Bro I'm literally korean, grew up in Korea, and live in koreatown. I'm surrounded by korean people in their 20's and 30's so if I'm not perceptive of Korean faces I don't know who is. You should go to her instagram (yekooooong) to see more, she resembles Ina about as much as Baby Lady resembles Yeji fron Itzy. Most people will see the similarities, Korean or not. Of course they cannot be identical and equally hot, otherwise Ina would be an underwear model with 300 k followers and Baby Lady would be a kpop star instead of working this job. We can’t really expect to be able to bang literal models for $340 now. Rose and NG are probably the closest we’d ever get to that.
[QUOTE=NewLegion;6607931]Yes she would see Ina getting booked all day and feel bad about not getting the same attention. I think it stemmed back to some of her earlier not so good reviews back when she started in ktown. She was new to the job and needed some time to figure things out. Boy has she done that! I personally like her slightly more than Ina. Ina can be a tad bit too quirky, maybe even moody or mysterious at times. Whereas Maia's consistency rivals Mcdonalds (speaking of which I always stop by the Mcds next door after a long session for a postgame victory meal lmao). Always brimming with high energy, positivity and sexuality she always brings her A game - a consummate professional![/QUOTE]Definitely agree Maia is overall better than Ina. Ina has a prettier face, but Maia has a much nicer body and her sex drive is more believable. Her mannerisms are also younger and more friendly instead of ditzy and quirky. Maia's shower is annoying though.
I think Ina got annoyed because she and Maia arent really friends. Their age difference is too large for them to have a proper friendship. That being said, seeing girls back to back is a lot of fun. Now that NG moved to the same location as Elle, I will get to see my two ATFs back to back much easier. (Hopefully NG is still here when Elle comes back from vacation.)
[QUOTE=DankDonk;6607794]And this is the difference between those that are perceptive to asian faces and those that are not.
Don't get me wrong Ina was good the one time I saw her and she's sexy esp her sultry face, but Ina doesn't resemble this yekong gal. Yekong looks 10 years younger, smaller face, and odds are tight young bod.[/QUOTE]As a young Asian guy who's seen Ina 20+ times, I think the resemblance between her and Yekong is very close. She also looks a bit like Sorn from CLC or Hanni from NewJeans.
I have never seen Maia and should give her a try.
Pics are pretty similar. She's really pretty in person, not HYA not MILF. Big eyes, a cute smile, full lips and good teeth.
Body is slamming. She's a Tiny spinner. Nice and soft MMs. Not a huge ass by any means but still a decent grab bent over. Has good use of kegals.
Service was pretty standard but her attitude to please is what'll keep me coming back. BT, BBBJ in shower, BBBJ after drying, had me lay down and rubbed her pussy on my dick to tease me, had me sit up and kept rubbing her pussy on my dick, eventually slid in and she was putting in work in CG, moved her into mish and was going real slow to not CIP, turned her around for doggy and couldn't stop staring at her in the mirror, back to CG and she gave me another BBBJ / HJ until I finished.
420/ hr BBFS. I'd repeat.
[QUOTE=ImYours;6606658]Is Diva not with M right now?[/QUOTE]If anyone can confirm that the Diva with M is the same deep throat Diva that would be greatly appreciated. I might toftt just at the chance it is and if I do will report back.
That's her in the pic below, with minimal P.S. She's a slim spinner that may be closer to her 30's than 40's; still has nice skin. Average fitness. No easily visible wrinkles or crows feet. Small script ink above her left breast. Nice firm 32 Bs which could be real or not, and I love when it's hard to tell. Eyes may be a little too narrow set for some (think Stella / Sienna). Unfortunately, she underperformed with her service. She was mechanical at best. Attitude lacked enthusiasm and it was clear just just wanted it to get through the session. She was ok with FIA, but killed the mood when she wiped me down before P2 M during position changes. It's rare for me to describe a girl as neither GFE or PSE, but she fits the bill. She begged for a mutual release cip which was great, but def felt hurried.