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[QUOTE=BikeRider;3538413]Best said by Felix Dennis - "If it flies, floats, or fornicates you should rent it. Don't buy it".
Having gone through my first and ONLY divorce, it's advice well taken (even with a prenup).[/QUOTE]100% agree with you BikeRider! One divorce after 20 years of marriage was enough for me as well. Prenup? Just means more money for the Attorney to argue against it. I wrote that check and have never looked back.
[QUOTE=BikeRider;3538413]Best said by Felix Dennis - "If it flies, floats, or fornicates you should rent it. Don't buy it".
Having gone through my first and ONLY divorce, it's advice well taken (even with a prenup).[/QUOTE]I ask younger guys all the time: When you are hungry for pizza, what do you do? Go out and buy an Italian restaurant? Hell no! You go get yourself a slice.
Mike.
[QUOTE=BikeRider;3538104]+1 for this. A few years back I met a young college sophomore while on a biz trip. We met, and we had a great lunch and went back to the FC. She was an amazing lover. I could have had it for free, but I gave her $200. Fast forward a few months later, and I'm back in her town. I contact her and say let's meet again and I'll give you the same. She replies back she'd never see anyone for that low of an amount. I said OK, why was it ok last time. Her reply was "you were so handsome and confident. I wanted you. It was a bucket list kind of thing to meet a stranger, and fuck him. ". So go ahead and negotiate up front, but you might miss out.[/QUOTE]
The fulfillment of the "fuck a random stranger" fantasy is extremely common. Some will say why would she want to fuck an older guy if she can have any young guy she wants, but a lot of girls fantasize about older men starting at a young age. SDs are more experienced lovers for one thing, they don't do some of the stupid shit young guys do, and they don't live in their parents' basements like young guys. When a girl finds something she can can respect in a guy (I. E. His career achievements for example), it's like an instant aphrodisiac, and it's a much more important factor in how attracted she is to him than his age or even looks. So yeah, a lot of them that have a kinky side they want to explore decide that hunting for an SD will snag the best prospects. Some of them do still want to date within their age bracket when looking for a future hubby, but this has more to do with things like acceptance from their friends and family, or not finding themselves early widows, or having a husband that's still young enough to be interested in raising kids.
I can relate to the idea of sexual attraction not being a factor in what they look for in a long-term partner. There are a lot of girls who are my type for casual sex, but not really my type when it comes to a long-term partner. In fact I'd say I have had some of my best sexual experiences with girls that are the polar opposite of the type I would consider being in a relationship with. Girls are no different in that regard, who they want to casually fuck and who they want to spend most of their time with are often very different.
I knew a stripper once that said every time she gets in an age-appropriate relationship, she would get a craving to cheat on her bf with an older guy. She said her kink had created problems for her in the past and she sometimes struggled with it, but couldn't stop. No accounting for taste, these girls do have their kinks for sure.
[QUOTE=BikeRider;3538413]Best said by Felix Dennis - "If it flies, floats, or fornicates you should rent it. Don't buy it".
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[QUOTE=Rouleur;3538519]100% agree with you BikeRider! One divorce after 20 years of marriage was enough for me as well. Prenup? Just means more money for the Attorney to argue against it. I wrote that check and have never looked back.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mes0623;3539083]I ask younger guys all the time: When you are hungry for pizza, what do you do? Go out and buy an Italian restaurant? Hell no! You go get yourself a slice..[/QUOTE]The most expensive pussy you will ever have is one you get for "free. ".
Seeing the last few posts about the "cost" of pussy got me thinking about the price of SBs. Everyone's experience with this is different. In my own experience, the typical rate is 200 to 300 a meet. I have had quite a few at 100, but many (not all, thankfully) soon get tired of that, no matter how strong the non-financial factors are and they either eventually ask for more or fade away. 200 seems to be the sweet spot. It is attractive to many and I have never had one go away before I was ready to call it quits myself. 300 will attract the vast majority except for GPS (Golden Pussy Syndrome), but, in thinking back on this, I have never had a 300 that was any better than a 200, or even a 100. It seems to me that SBs are a lot like anything else we buy. If we buy it at Saks we feel we are buying a premium product for a premium price. But almost the same thing might be available in a knock-off label at Target.
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;3541566]Seeing the last few posts about the "cost" of pussy got me thinking about the price of SBs. Everyone's experience with this is different. In my own experience, the typical rate is 200 to 300 a meet. I have had quite a few at 100, but many (not all, thankfully) soon get tired of that, no matter how strong the non-financial factors are and they either eventually ask for more or fade away. 200 seems to be the sweet spot. It is attractive to many and I have never had one go away before I was ready to call it quits myself. 300 will attract the vast majority except for GPS (Golden Pussy Syndrome), but, in thinking back on this, I have never had a 300 that was any better than a 200, or even a 100. It seems to me that SBs are a lot like anything else we buy. If we buy it at Saks we feel we are buying a premium product for a premium price. But almost the same thing might be available in a knock-off label at Target.[/QUOTE]My personal price point that I strive for in determining cost versus time is simple. The total of all costs for time spent with each sugar baby and the cost associated with each sugar baby (hotel, food, gifts, sugar, etc.). That number that I try to reach for is $100/ hour. If I spend $400 for the time I spent with the SB (includes all cost associated with each visit) I expect to receive 4 hours of attention. Case in point, Last week I gave my FLSB1 dinner, drinks, hotel room and 2. 5 in sugar and we spent right at 4 hours together. In this case, it worked out to about 85 bucks per hour.
That is a helluva lot better than I could ever get with an escort.
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;3541538]The most expensive pussy you will ever have is one you get for "free. ".[/QUOTE]It's true.
I think back to my civy dating only years (or in some cases, dating want to-be sugar babies that I flipped to civy to save a buck). If I put a price on the investment of time, the non-gift expenses, then factor in all the headaches of dealing with her moods or whatever, a couple of hundred bucks for a date with no strings attached is amazingly cost effective, especially considering the freedom it buys.
In civy dating, you occasionally run into a nice, NSA fuck-buddy situation, and they are great finds. Most of the time, however, if there is sex with no "helping out with the bills" involved, there will be emotional expectations on her end. A female's instinct is to ask themselves "I'm giving him sex, what am I getting in return"? If it's not shopping money, it's going to be something else, to be sure. Either she will want you to be there for her to talk to or hang out with, or she's going to try to have your kid, or some combination of expectations you probably don't want or need in your life.
[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3541619]My personal price point that I strive for in determining cost versus time is simple. The total of all costs for time spent with each sugar baby and the cost associated with each sugar baby (hotel, food, gifts, sugar, etc.). That number that I try to reach for is $100/ hour. If I spend $400 for the time I spent with the SB (includes all cost associated with each visit) I expect to receive 4 hours of attention. Case in point, Last week I gave my FLSB1 dinner, drinks, hotel room and 2. 5 in sugar and we spent right at 4 hours together. In this case, it worked out to about 85 bucks per hour.
That is a helluva lot better than I could ever get with an escort.[/QUOTE]I think pricing strategy depends on the goals of the SD. Some SDs want to have a regular, ongoing thing, some might just want to ensure she is available each time he is in her city if he's a traveling daddy.
In my case, because my travel patterns are unpredictable (I have no way of knowing when I will be in her city again, so if its 6 months or a year later I might just look for a new one), my goal is to make the most of that night. This means that my dates are usually more "date cost" heavy, and lighter on gift amount. I am generous on the date expenses, for example if baby is spending a lot on menu selections like expensive hors d'oeuvres, desserts or drinks, I don't hesitate -- whatever baby wants. If she wants to leave one club and go to another, I just do it without complaining about multiple cover charges. In the back of my mind though I am keeping count, and it's going to affect the amount I gift her one way or another.
This method has been extremely effective for me, because the up-front generosity creates an atmosphere that is not conducive to bean counting or worrying too much about specific amounts. This gets reciprocated when she receives her parting gift the next morning. One thing I've noticed is they never count the amount when I hand it to them, although I'm fairly certain sure that's the first thing she does once we part ways.
Because I enjoy the night out too, I don't place too much emphasis on what was spent on it, it's fixed overhead for me. If it were a purely civy date, I would probably spend most of that on the date anyway. Things like extra drinks are an investment : my ROI is based on the fact each drink is probably going to make her even less inhibited in bed -- more alcohol just equals more fun times for the lizard.
If I calculated cost by the hour or even by the fuck, it would be an incredibly cost effective hobby, because a lot of mine turn into overnighters with multiple fucks anyway. And while one might think the first fuck is the best, for me, waking up at 3 or 4 am with a boner and having the convenience of the SB right there in bed with you to take care of the matter is what its all about. I actually enjoy that more than the first round.
If you are trying to be discrete how do you handle driving with her? Your license plate can be traced, Any other tips about keeping your identity private??
Thanks CM.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3542709]I think pricing strategy depends on the goals of the SD. Some SDs want to have a regular, ongoing thing, some might just want to ensure she is available each time he is in her city if he's a traveling daddy.
In my case, because my travel patterns are unpredictable (I have no way of knowing when I will be in her city again, so if its 6 months or a year later I might just look for a new one), my goal is to make the most of that night. This means that my dates are usually more "date cost" heavy, and lighter on gift amount. I am generous on the date expenses, for example if baby is spending a lot on menu selections like expensive hors d'oeuvres, desserts or drinks, I don't hesitate -- whatever baby wants. If she wants to leave one club and go to another, I just do it without complaining about multiple cover charges. In the back of my mind though I am keeping count, and it's going to affect the amount I gift her one way or another.
This method has been extremely effective for me, because the up-front generosity creates an atmosphere that is not conducive to bean counting or worrying too much about specific amounts. This gets reciprocated when she receives her parting gift the next morning. One thing I've noticed is they never count the amount when I hand it to them, although I'm fairly certain sure that's the first thing she does once we part ways.
Because I enjoy the night out too, I don't place too much emphasis on what was spent on it, it's fixed overhead for me. If it were a purely civy date, I would probably spend most of that on the date anyway. Things like extra drinks are an investment : my ROI is based on the fact each drink is probably going to make her even less inhibited in bed -- more alcohol just equals more fun times for the lizard.
If I calculated cost by the hour or even by the fuck, it would be an incredibly cost effective hobby, because a lot of mine turn into overnighters with multiple fucks anyway. And while one might think the first fuck is the best, for me, waking up at 3 or 4 am with a boner and having the convenience of the SB right there in bed with you to take care of the matter is what its all about. I actually enjoy that more than the first round.[/QUOTE]Same strategy as Hollywood Guy. Saw that a few years back when he posted it. Only difference was his was budget oriented with 100 dollar limit and different taste in girls. So what's the high to low that's gifted in your system? The girl that goes all out hitting the clubs and dinner to the frugal girl who wants her rent or car payment made.
I think HG and JZ are similar in that they both look for more than straight pay 4 play and believe personality, appearance and game are important, but are otherwise have very different approaches.
HG looked for long term "Girlfriends" and "live-ins". He made his $ offer upfront with the idea that if the girls was too focused on $s she wasn't a good fit for his cost efficient approach.
JZ seems to mostly look for non-commital one time "flings" and is willing to pay more for the total cost but doesn't like to discuss allowance upfront.
Two very different approaches, but both seem to be very successful. Just shows there is many different ways to success in the bowl.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3544375]Same strategy as Hollywood Guy. Saw that a few years back when he posted it. Only difference was his was budget oriented with 100 dollar limit and different taste in girls. So what's the high to low that's gifted in your system? The girl that goes all out hitting the clubs and dinner to the frugal girl who wants her rent or car payment made.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3544375]Same strategy as Hollywood Guy. Saw that a few years back when he posted it. Only difference was his was budget oriented with 100 dollar limit and different taste in girls. So what's the high to low that's gifted in your system? The girl that goes all out hitting the clubs and dinner to the frugal girl who wants her rent or car payment made.[/QUOTE]His lifestyle was totally different than mine. He specifically went for 100 dollar UTR types, ubered them straight to his house for fucking, etc. And would occasionally run into situations with girls who needed a place to live (as best as I can recall). He played the game very differently in the sense that he was a single guy, and was kind of looking to fullful some emotional need within his own life and his girls.
My game is more or less an extension of my civy dating experiences, except I've gotten older, the girls have gotten younger, and I don't play close to home. That's due to my current SO though. I've put a lot into my relationship with her and do not want to fuck it up. I don't want any sort of real connection with the SBs other than a lot of fun, and a bit of escapism.
Is it just me or do all of the girls vying for the title this year have a UTR look? I'm not sure I'd message any of them.
Feel free to PM with info on UTR regular recommendations In and around Lynchburg / RVA area.
[QUOTE=BikeRider;3546541]Is it just me or do all of the girls vying for the title this year have a UTR look? I'm not sure I'd message any of them.[/QUOTE]I'm with you, Bike. They all look mean and crabby.