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[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;3501789]I have been chatting with this Asian student on SA. Anyone out there willing to share your experiences with her. I she more UTR than sugar babby.[/QUOTE]I've been trying to hook up with her for a while. She always seems to be busy.
[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3501610]Just wanted to share my results with my brothers. Been using coconut oil as a lube and daily tool grease and find it to be way more effective than what I was using before. Used both water based (KY) and silicone (WET platinum) lubes that would still leave the tool sore and chafed at the end but no such problems with coconut oil. I've also been using it as daily tool grease after I finished the Man1 man oil.
The brand (LouAna) I got has no smell or taste as stated on the label![/QUOTE]Ah, just one of Coconut oils many uses.
[QUOTE=NeedyUnchin;3499396]I'd appreciate some advice.
I am visiting Vegas and messaged some SBs asking if they would see an out of towner / love to grab a drink / blah blah. Also mentioned I visit throughout yr for work, so maybe occasional meetups but not regular SD.
Well one said sure! $500/ hr for her time for drinks and convo. Pass.
But I've had several agree to meet up for drinks. No mention of $ yet. Asking when / where and seem a little more grounded.
Would you bring $$$ up now before meeting? My concern is I don't really want to waste time on a girl with ridiculous expectations.
I guess I'm asking how you screen for matching expectations ahead of time or is this unrealistic?[/QUOTE]I have tried Vegas once it seems there to many with GPS, asking way too much for the quality!
[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;3501789]I have been chatting with this Asian student on SA. Anyone out there willing to share your experiences with her. I she more UTR than sugar babby.[/QUOTE]Chatted with her few times while back did not go any further, my opinion she just might be passing time and wasting ours.
Some time back, I conducted a survey here asking for submissions on two different subjects: daytime hotel options, and tactics for anonymity (prepaid cc, phone, and website membership), for purposes of the Index and FAQ thread, because these two questions arise on a regular basis. The hotel portion of the survey went pretty well, but there was not a lot of activity around the anonymity portion of the survey (not enough to create a new FAQ entry at least), so I thought I would give that one one more try.
I'm collecting this information for purposes of adding value to the index and FAQ -- I actually don't need answers to either question, because I only sugar date when I already have a room for multi-day overnight travel stays, and I also have no reason to worry about billing my hotels or website memberships directly to my card. I do however hide my true identity from the SBs, just in case.
I will post the survey question again, hoping for better results. Below that, I am going to post a couple of "tips" that I don't think I've talked about in the past, just in the interest of trying to contribute something since I haven't been writing much lately.
Survey question (please contribute an answer if you can):
(#1) Prepaid credit cards and handling anonymous website memberships (if applicable to you):
A. Where do you buy yours? (Specific store, card label etc)?
B. How much balance do you typically load onto it?
C. What is the process you use to retain privacy / anonymity?
D. Does it require you to tie the card to a phone, and if so do you use a burner phone?
E. Any other helpful tips or things to be aware of you can add?
Above I promised to add some random tips that may help someone, somewhere, so here they are:
1. If you let your babies in your personal vehicle, EVER, then I highly recommend replacing carpet floor mats with all-weather ones. It protects you from a number of forms of evidence. Rubber surfaces make it easier to see and vacuum out strands of hair that do not match your SO's hair color, which might otherwise get snagged (missed by vacuuming). Traces of your spunk (if you have car sex and some of misses the target) are easier to spot and clean. Also, carpet sometimes reveals footprints that can only be seen from certain angles. I didn't even realize this for the first 40 years or so of my life, but once, my SO said "who has been in your car?" and that "feeling" washed over me for a moment. You guys know exactly that brief wave of panic I'm talking about, when her alarm system triggers yours.
I said "what do you mean", so she proceeds to tell me that there is a footprint from a female that looks like sexy boots. Holy shit I though, yes they were sexy boots, I'm just surprised she didn't correctly announce the color of the boots and the age and weight of the girl! I said "where? I couldn't even see the imprint, you had to be riding in the passenger seat for the light to cast on the slightly indented carpet just right. When I finally saw it, the real horror set in, because to this day I have no idea how she could tell what kind of footwear caused that particular imprint, it was not like a sneaker imprint in the mud or anything. My point here is that females have this CRAZY radar for things like this. Hairs we can't see, smells we can't smell. They just recognize things we don't.
I explained it away as maybe one of those "service girls" from the upscale dealership that gets in the car long enough to read the registration info or similar? I said who knows what they do with these cars while they are in for service. It was an effective save, but since then I only do all-weather floor mats. That and vacuuming after a girl has been in the car seems to be all that's needed.
2. If any of you guys are in sales or have specific training in things like critical thinking and policy, this is going to seem ridiculously obvious to you, but I'm surprised at how many people fail to carry the concept that works so well in business deals over to their interactions with SBs. The concept I want to describe here involves using a form of the socratic method to arrive at what you really want (which is in this case is sex with a hot young thing) by subtly asking questions of your "opponent" (she's not really on your team yet if her panties aren't on the floor yet right? So consider her an opponent until that time) that are guaranteed to invoke a positive response. Think about that part for a minute, I did not say guaranteed to result in sex -- that's too lofty a goal, at first. You just want the guarantee of a positive response, a "YES" answer from her. And remember the subtlety requirement, so we are not talking about asking her if a certain allowance sounds good or not. The idea behind all this, from a psychology standpoint, is that whether or not a person answers yes or no to anything affects every part of their mental state (even what's going on with them physiologically at that moment in time). So, by doing whatever is necessary to get the ball rolling in the YES direction prior to actually swooping in on what you really want, your chances of getting the desired result is greatly increased. By doing this, you're basically creating the preconditions where a win in your favor is highly probable before you ever actually start playing the game. Basically slanting the odds in your favor before the race even starts.
Sometimes people ask me for specific examples of these questions, and the problem with this is that they are highly situational, and context is everything. I always say, there is no such thing as a one-liner. That's why I think this particular principle is easy to follow, it is backed by so much common sense and intuition (it's easy to remember you want to get YES coming out of her mouth as much as possible, regardless of the actual questions being answered, and that NO answers are undesirable no matter the question).
I will give a fabricated example of conversation that takes advantage of this. Let's say SB is maybe 21 yrs old but has 3 dogs that are her pride and joy (I. E. Think vet bills). Some examples:
Good -- "They are beautiful dogs, do they require a lot of care"? (yes).
Good -- "I'll bet they are like your children, you want to give them the very best care possible"? (yes).
Good -- "Providing for them must be a lot of responsibility" (yes).
The farther she goes down the yes road, the less distance between the panties and the floor.
Bad -- "I bet taking care of three dogs gets expensive, is that why you're looking for assistance?" (setting up a no here).
This is the kind of mistake you don't want to make if executing this tactic.
(#1) Prepaid credit cards and handling anonymous website memberships (if applicable to you):
A. Where do you buy yours? (Specific store, card label etc)?
Safeway, $20-$500 Visa Gift Card.
B. How much balance do you typically load onto it?
$80 (for 1 month premium subscription).
C. What is the process you use to retain privacy / anonymity?
I've only done this several times, but pay for gift card with cash and register online with fake name, fake street address, real city, real state, real zip code.
D. Does it require you to tie the card to a phone, and if so do you use a burner phone?
Yes, so I tie it to a burner phone.
E. Any other helpful tips or things to be aware of you can add?
Probably not good for long term premium subscriptions, but I've been doing a month, take a break and then another month.
CNBC American Greed about John Fox- wine and Internet dating.
Evidently he spent $900 k in one year. Eventually was blackmailed by a woman from Seattle.
Be careful out there!
[QUOTE=BikeRider;3503172]CNBC American Greed about John Fox- wine and Internet dating. Evidently he spent $900 k in one year. Eventually was blackmailed by a woman from Seattle.
Be careful out there![/QUOTE]Saw that a couple of days ago, and it was actually what triggered my memory that the anonymous survey was still a work in progress. All sugar daddies, and even sugar babies, should research that story. Lots of lessons there for both SDs and SBs.
For those who haven't seen it, John Fox ran a ponzi scheme of sorts involving premium bottles of wine, collecting pre-payment for bottles he wasn't sure if he could even fulfill, reserving the same bottle of wine for multiple customers and collecting pre-payment from each of them (triple dipping), and subsequently living large. He was in his mid-60's but had a Filipina wife who I would guess was maybe late 30's, and a daughter (not sure of age maybe 18-19), and was sugar dating through SA, OK Cupid, and maybe others. One of his SBs was an asian girl (Korean I think) who was a serial SB that regularly ran extortion shakedowns on her SDs. J. F. Apparently only saw her a couple of times, but it was enough for her to target him as a big payoff daddy and run her game on him.
All the typical shit starting with: "forgot to tell you I wasn't on birth control, and now I'm pregnant", getting increasingly worse, threatening to talk to his wife and daughter and stalking them on social media, threatening to get him thrown in jail for his business dealings, and so on. Apparently made a good living off him for a while, until the feds started cracking down on him for the wine scam, at which he had no more to lose at that point and she lost her leverage.
Perhaps the only good that came out of the story was that the SB was convicted on her blackmail activity and ordered to pay over a quarter of a million bucks to some of J. F. s wine victims. J. F. Of course went to jail, his wife and daughter didn't even show up to court to support him, he literally lost it all.
She could still be sugaring for all we know, maybe some guys on this board are helping her payoff her restitution debt? She would say its for tuition I'm sure. She is known to fly to meet her victims, so she could be a threat to any city regardless of where she is living now. Research this story and get to know her face, but also keep in mind there are many like her out there of all races and ages.
Bad part about it is that J. F. Himself struck me as not much worse than the average guy or SD. He was very forthcoming about admitting all his crimes, and to my knowledge never had malice as an intent, he just got addicted to the sex and the money that made it possible.
Sugaring basically. I've talked a lot about playing the game and not letting the game play you. Hold onto your anonymity, stay away from social media, take breaks from dating if you feel addiction starting, don't do anything illegal, and be selective about which girls you get involved with.
I'd encourage everyone to research the John Fox story as an example of what not to do, as Bikerider indicates.
When I saw it, I actually wondered if J.F. was one of the SDs that has disappeared from the pages of USASG.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3503740] Sugaring basically. I've talked a lot about playing the game and not letting the game play you. Hold onto your anonymity, stay away from social media, take breaks from dating if you feel addiction starting, don't do anything illegal, and be selective about which girls you get involved with.
I'd encourage everyone to research the John Fox story as an example of what not to do, as Bikerider indicates. [/QUOTE]The lessons in the JF case and this statement are hugely important to all SD's!
I recently was setting up a first meet with an incredibly hot POT in my area. She kept on pressing for my name, place of business, and social media info (including linked in). Although she was just my type it made me uncomfortable to think how intrusive she would be going forward, so I cancelled the meet and moved on. Not worth the potential problems.
Yaya.
(#1) Prepaid credit cards and handling anonymous website memberships (if applicable to you):
A. Where do you buy yours? (Specific store, card label etc)?
CVS or Walgreens.
B. How much balance do you typically load onto it?
$80 (one month. I usually only reactivate every 6 months).
C. What is the process you use to retain privacy / anonymity?
Prepaid AMEX Serve card works great and has no fees! Just pay cash at register for extra anonymity.
D. Does it require you to tie the card to a phone, and if so do you use a burner phone?
No, but I use GV for everything regarding this.
E. Any other helpful tips or things to be aware of you can add?
I like the 'day rate' for airport area hotels. Other than that I would recommend Choice Hotels as they are extremely generous with early check ins and late check outs. They are also generous with free hotel stays and other promotions.
[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3503774]The lessons in the JF case and this statement are hugely important to all SD's!
I recently was setting up a first meet with an incredibly hot POT in my area. She kept on pressing for my name, place of business, and social media info (including linked in). Although she was just my type it made me uncomfortable to think how intrusive she would be going forward, so I cancelled the meet and moved on. Not worth the potential problems.
Yaya.[/QUOTE]It all comes down to being selective in your choices. Alot of these girls are bottom barrel girls who resort to that type of behavior, but it's far and few between even with them. I find it funny that guys who do their due diligence to almost if not considered stalking of the girls have problems with girls who do the same gathering info. A girl who does the same thing a guy does is considered a danger or threat or crazy. Being a sd carries the same risk as mongering, what do you have to lose and is it worth it to you to take the chance. Making good selections and being a good daddy eliminates 99% of any of these type of problems.
[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3503774]The lessons in the JF case and this statement are hugely important to all SD's!
I recently was setting up a first meet with an incredibly hot POT in my area. She kept on pressing for my name, place of business, and social media info (including linked in). Although she was just my type it made me uncomfortable to think how intrusive she would be going forward, so I cancelled the meet and moved on. Not worth the potential problems.
Yaya.[/QUOTE]One thing that came to my mind when I saw the JF story -- if this girl has to spread her legs even once to make payments on the nearly three hundred grand in restitution she owes, doesn't that mean that those that convicted her have basically sex trafficked her? Piling so much debt on her that she has no choice but to fuck her way out from under it? LOL. Someone should bring that to their attention the next time they shut down a rub and tug joint.
Thanks for the contributions to the survey by the way, for all that have participated so far. I'm noting the message numbers for later posting to the FAQ/Index.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3503829]It all comes down to being selective in your choices. Alot of these girls are bottom barrel girls who resort to that type of behavior, but it's far and few between even with them. I find it funny that guys who do their due diligence to almost if not considered stalking of the girls have problems with girls who do the same gathering info. A girl who does the same thing a guy does is considered a danger or threat or crazy. Being a sd carries the same risk as mongering, what do you have to lose and is it worth it to you to take the chance. Making good selections and being a good daddy eliminates 99% of any of these type of problems.[/QUOTE]From what I've seen on the Richmond thread and others here, the probability of an SB taking advantage of the situation in an SB / SD arrangement feels a lot higher than 1% to me. I myself have been victim to the pregnancy scare more than once in my life, admittedly only in civy-but-cheating situations, so they weren't based on extorting money (more like blackmailing me for the attention they wanted). The one that actually was pregnant (confirmed with medical paperwork) was a semi-SB, would not take direct payment but was lining me up for something long-term. It is very common. Everyone's mileage varies, but I would say that the percent probability of running into a highly undesirable situation of female leverage actually increases the longer you stay with one woman, even if other conditions remain constant. This is why I have escaped major problems with sugar dating, I present myself as an occasional / casual daddy -- maybe this repels the trouble makers?
So, even if, every time a new SB date occurs, there is only a 5% chance that she is looking for a situation to take advantage of, if you run into one of the five percent, each successive date with her increases your chance of a major problem. It is also possible for a girl who is well outside of that 5% to be converted to a troublemaker through circumstance, for example develops an emotional attachment to the SD or just has an addictive or obsessive personality, gets used to steady sugar, and becomes a woman scorned when it ends.
I do agree that being selective is incredibly important, and also it is as you said a game of risk / reward. You have to assess, with reason, what you could possibly lose worst case scenario and play the game accordingly. The flaw there, and the real challenge, is that this assessment with reason must be done completely with your brain and not your dick. I am known to be incredibly self-disciplined, yet even I have trouble thinking objectively once I dip my stick in the sugar bowl. Sex with beautiful young girls is as addictive as any drug, and it can affect our judgment about "what we have to lose" just like a drug. This is the value in discussing some of these principles.
I am not of the opinion that simply treating the girl well can prevent situations like the John Fox story. He stumbled across a serial extortionist, and there is nothing about his interactions with her that would have changed the outcome. What could have changed his outcome is if he had not revealed too much about himself to her, and made sure she did not have access to his real name, what type of business he was involved with, etc. Apparently he had a habit of giving way too much information to these girls, so it was probably only a matter of time. The other factor that ruined him was, of course, the size of the opportunity as perceived by the girl. The more wealth and generosity / gullibility a girl perceives in her SD, the more temptation she will have to find ways to exploit the situation. This puts the super rich guys (particularly married ones) at a disadvantage and makes anonymity that much more important.
I'm sure JF saw no reason not to hook up with her in the beginning. He had enough options such that if she gave off dangerous vibes, he would have certainly avoided. A manipulative woman who is practiced in her craft can be very difficult to spot, this is why I don't think selectivity can be the only tactic for avoiding trouble.
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;3500947]My College Bunny told me about a friend in need of some cash. I met her at a coffee shop. I got hard just looking at this cute little morsel and listening to her high pitched voice. For a reasonable donation she was willing to take a ride with me in my car and go dunking for apples. That was so hot that I offered a further donation to get a hotel room. This girl was one of the sweetest and hottest pieces of ass I have ever had! She would do anything I wanted, including holding her ankles while she gave my willy a sloppy DT.
Life IS very good my brothers![/QUOTE]Great gal. I hope you made some hot videos with her. LOL.