BBFS Providers Manhattan

[QUOTE=JackRabbit27;6688314]Good morning everyone.

I just started to read posts from other mongers in this forum. One monger had listed several links to establishments which I thought were all located in Manhattan. After clicking on one of the links it turns out to be located in or around Jersey City, New Jersey. I had text them explaining how I had gotten their information, and that I needed some information before making an appoint to see them. I was hoping to get the address so that I could enter it into my g. P.S. On my phone to see how long the drive time would be. I also wanted a clarification on the pricing and menu options. I did not want to arrive there and be surprised with sticker price shock. Here is what they said. They wanted to know my age and race. Then they sent me this text. See the attachment. I understand the need to take precautions for a variety of reasons, but to give out this kind of personal information to strangers is ridiculous! I don't know who these people are, if they are going to keep my information on file, use the information to create new identity theft, or even worse, use it against me as blackmail. In either case, I don't care. These establishments are in the entertainment / hospitality industry. They should be grateful that I have visited them or even have considered seeing them. Their is plenty of these shops around Manhattan in the surrounding areas. I have been fortunate to find one or two locations in Flushing / Queens who take good care of me without all this headache.

I'm sorry for the venting, I'm just trying to find out if all or a majority of the establishments in Manhattan follow similar guidelines. If so, I may just continue doing business in Flushing / Queens. I would appreciate it if any fellow members would consider sharing a lead or two. I'll be happy to share my resources in exchange. Pm 's are ok!

Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving.

Jack.[/QUOTE]All the best stores in Manhattan operate this way. If you are not willing to go through verification, than IMO you will be wasting your time and money mongering in Manhattan. You will end up overpaying for MILFs and aunties working out of the myriad of shitty overpriced spas we have in the city.

Idk which shops you're going to in Flushing / Queens, but that is definitely the better option for those who aren't willing verify, as many stores there get pretty much the same quality pussy as can be had in Manhattan. They will usually just ask for some info over text like your name, race and occupation. No need to send LinkedIn, Drivers license, business card or selfie as in Manhattan.

Very cute girl, no lube club, 100/200 but yes the yada yada yada got the BBFS. Good BJ from her too.

OH, DDY Ivy is fucking hot. The pics are her but her face is glowed up. But she is damn pretty. And that fucking body. And maybe even late 20's. Hottest new C girl I've seen in a while. And she is new.

Javlur- she has a nice Bush and Emily has not asked her to shave it. And a small pussy. Oh.

[QUOTE=ShyNerdX;6688227]Rule of thumb is it providers ask condom or no condom right off the bat, ask how much? If it is not what you want don't bother negotiating and just say condom is fine. Work your charm before penetrating and then negotiate. 80% of the time they will bite, if it's a negotiated COP price fuck her first then the last 5-10 minutes after making her feel good negotiate the CIP price, 90% of the time they will agree because they either feel good or tired of fucking you.

Now as far as charm and game that's YMMV. Some people will just negotiate from the get go but that's a 50/50 coin flip.[/QUOTE]I think it is even better to not even ask them how much. Lately I've been doing:

You do no condom?

Yes.

100 (or hiya ku) inside and point my finger right on her pussy.

[QUOTE=VidLover69;6688380]GD, I think you saw Seoli earlier when she was asking 100/200. She has since moved to asking 200/300. [/QUOTE]I saw that getting under 200 was piece of cake her first day. Usually girls have dreams of higher prices the first day. I am very selective about who I believe. I have not heard any of the guys I generally trust saying 300 hard. But I am very pessimistic about reviews in general.

[QUOTE=VidLover69;6688380]For BBFS, these suggestions are worth considering. For video, it is better to discuss at the beginning. Sometimes the MMS / PPS gets it wrong or the girl has restrictions then I have to switch girls.
[/QUOTE]You are correct. There's no one size fits all when it comes to negotiations. Since you are a collector, you have a very specific need and have to make your intentions known. Are you able to get breaks for repeats for scene 2, scene 3,. Etc?

Long time member and lurker who wants to visit NYC only for this, Can I ask in a polite way, this is a BBFS forum and all I seem to read page after page is Asian or incall massage parlor stuff usually Asian.

Other than Gina. Are there any recent known or new white or Mixed or Hispanic girls that come to your motel / hotel who may or may not even rely on you having recent test results, (which I do) ? That will bareback? Sorry if I sound picky, its just Asian girls are not my thing. Looking for White, Hispanic Mixed or light skinned?

LOL sorry, maybe I meant you have more to offer. Now Shy will say I think he has no charm and humor and only his good looks. WTF. I can't even give a compliment without you fuckers complaining about something! Jesus pussy lover christ.

Agree with 1 and 2. My condom is either in my pocket that I reach for before fucking or I put it on the bed if girl puts one on the bed and I will pretend I'm ok with condom play and sometimes it prompts the girl to ask. J condom often gets a playful reaction from the girls too.

[QUOTE=DrunkenKid;6688312]LOL! WTF! I'm not ugly as well. You're making me out as a fat comedian that has to use humor to get ahead.

I actually worked out a routine that I run though when meeting a JGirl for the first time. It works really well for me but it involves a big bag of tricks and counters that I have learned over the past few months.

Here are the basics (everyone should already know this):
1. Don't negotiate at the beginning.
2. You have 60 seconds for negotiations.
3. I don't flash a JCondom but be ready to say that it's ok to use a condom.[/QUOTE]I think Shy is out working on Civvies is but Civvies takes more time, effort, and money. He's got some UTR he's twerking on too.

Definitely do not over-negotiate as it ruins the mood. I am always playful in the negotiations and yes sometimes you re-negotiate after you start fucking because she's into it after the session starts. I cannot tell you how many times the condom is put on the bed after the first playful negotiation and then it's not used midway through.

[QUOTE=VidLover69;6688380]Shynerdx, you should be on tinder fucking civvies.

All good points. One more to add is I don't like to 'over negotiate'. Wastes too much time and I don't want the girl giving a shitty session bc I pushed too hard on pricing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrunkenKid;6688466]You are correct. There's no one size fits all when it comes to negotiations. Since you are a collector, you have a very specific need and have to make your intentions known. Are you able to get breaks for repeats for scene 2, scene 3,. Etc?[/QUOTE]If I repeat, it's with the girls that were more accommodative on the extras and the service / looks justify it. Otherwise, I prefer to expand the collection.

[QUOTE=JavLuvr;6688444]All the best stores in Manhattan operate this way. If you are not willing to go through verification, than IMO you will be wasting your time and money mongering in Manhattan. You will end up overpaying for MILFs and aunties working out of the myriad of shitty overpriced spas we have in the city.

Idk which shops you're going to in Flushing / Queens, but that is definitely the better option for those who aren't willing verify, as many stores there get pretty much the same quality pussy as can be had in Manhattan. They will usually just ask for some info over text like your name, race and occupation. No need to send LinkedIn, Drivers license, business card or selfie as in Manhattan.[/QUOTE]So looking to do the manhattan places. If they are asking for references, how does one go about that?

[QUOTE=PokerBrah;6688525]I think Shy is out working on Civvies is but Civvies takes more time, effort, and money. He's got some UTR he's twerking on too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=VidLover69;6688380]Shynerdx, you should be on tinder fucking civvies.[/QUOTE]PB got it right, I've been UTR with outside the shops and civies. But the civies on tinder and bumble take so much damn effort and money. Sometimes the baggage isn't worth it and it's much easier to just spit game at the providers.

If I could share the contact vidlover, I met a girl on tinder you would probably fucking love. She is a former cam model, thai + swiss mix with a tight spinner body. She lives in Europe but comes to town for raves and that's where we hook up. Probably one of the only girls I asked for video with and man is she a little hoe on camera, definitely worth watching over and over. I just pay for her flight trip and I get to bang her all weekend, such a steal.

[QUOTE=GenghisDong;6688452]OH, DDY Ivy is fucking hot. The pics are her but her face is glowed up. But she is damn pretty. And that fucking body. And maybe even late 20's. Hottest new C girl I've seen in a while. And she is new.[/QUOTE]I thought Ivy was ok, I saw her side by side to grace when she first arrived and they were very similar. With that body type and height, I would said Dolly is much better looking than those two but that's IMO.

[QUOTE=ShyNerdX;6688675]PB got it right, I've been UTR with outside the shops and civies. But the civies on tinder and bumble take so much damn effort and money. Sometimes the baggage isn't worth it and it's much easier to just spit game at the providers.

If I could share the contact vidlover, I met a girl on tinder you would probably fucking love. She is a former cam model, thai + swiss mix with a tight spinner body. She lives in Europe but comes to town for raves and that's where we hook up. Probably one of the only girls I asked for video with and man is she a little hoe on camera, definitely worth watching over and over. I just pay for her flight trip and I get to bang her all weekend, such a steal.[/QUOTE]Ok I am willing to concede that Shy is better looking with better game than I. He's got a variety of girls at the same time in rotation whereas I am probably just singularly focused and more luck and timing than anything else.

If I call Shy, DK and I the Three Stooges (or clowns as some fans of mine would say) or the three Musketeers (sounds better) since we shared Hana XOXO (that's really where we bonded LOL), Shy could be more handsome and charming of the 3. DK #2 (unless he challenges Shy to a duel), I am fine being 3rd if no one kicks me out of the line up!

[QUOTE=WearWolf;6688643]So looking to do the manhattan places. If they are asking for references, how does one go about that?[/QUOTE]You could get a provider or another shop to vouch for you as another option. If they know someone in that other shop or if they are familiar with the provider who could do the reference for you, they will sometimes just call them.

I haven't had to do whatever this name / I'd / race / etc thing is for a very long time, but I've been mongering for years in Manhattan. If it does happen to be my first time at a new Manhattan shop, I tell them who I want to see and if they need verification since it's my first time there, they can call X or why or Z shop or X or why or Z provider or a PPS / MMS can sometimes do a reference check for you.

[QUOTE=ShyNerdX;6688675]I thought Ivy was ok, I saw her side by side to grace when she first arrived and they were very similar. With that body type and height, I would said Dolly is much better looking than those two but that's IMO.[/QUOTE]Not similar at all other than being tall. Grace is bigger tits and ass than Ivy. Ivy body is exactly the pics. As far as facially pretty, I put Ivy above Dolly and Grace. I put Ivy at slender but not Grace. Grace is curvy.

[QUOTE=VidLover69;6688380]LOL. I'm too grown up to act like a child.

GD, I think you saw Seoli earlier when she was asking 100/200. She has since moved to asking 200/300. Given the upcoming holiday and related slow business, she might be more flexible. Others can report if she is back down to 100/200.[/QUOTE]Joking aside, I really did pout and grunt like a petulant man-child, but in a playful and charming way if that makes sense. Probably helps that I'm definitely not ugly, and was funny / charming even before my pouting / grunting negotiatons during p2 p. Seoli did mistakenly mumble 100/200 to me, then quickly corrected herself to 200/300. As I said, I quickly got it back down to market and pretty sure I could have gotten it down further, but I was content w / BB and a CIM finish that day.

Point is she is indeed flexible. I'm sure she knows she's in demand, so maybe it allows her to be firm or selective with her 200/300 asking with some folks.

All the veterans have given solid Welcome to BBFS Negotiations 101 pointers.

Basically, Scythe is right. Do what you have to do to get verified with one AMP and you should be able to use that as a reference with others going forward. So what if they ask for your LinkedIn or other small bit of personal info? Well worth it! Nearly all of these NY area AMPs rotate the same talent and have the same ownership / management. So do what you have to do to get on the list. In all the years I've been doing this hobby, I've never heard of a single breach of personal info. They want your business and want to keep it on the DL as much (probably more) than you do!

[QUOTE=Scythe10;6688814]You could get a provider or another shop to vouch for you as another option. If they know someone in that other shop or if they are familiar with the provider who could do the reference for you, they will sometimes just call them.

I haven't had to do whatever this name / I'd / race / etc thing is for a very long time, but I've been mongering for years in Manhattan. If it does happen to be my first time at a new Manhattan shop, I tell them who I want to see and if they need verification since it's my first time there, they can call X or why or Z shop or X or why or Z provider or a PPS / MMS can sometimes do a reference check for you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Scythe10;6688814]You could get a provider or another shop to vouch for you as another option. If they know someone in that other shop or if they are familiar with the provider who could do the reference for you, they will sometimes just call them.

I haven't had to do whatever this name / I'd / race / etc thing is for a very long time, but I've been mongering for years in Manhattan. If it does happen to be my first time at a new Manhattan shop, I tell them who I want to see and if they need verification since it's my first time there, they can call X or why or Z shop or X or why or Z provider or a PPS / MMS can sometimes do a reference check for you.[/QUOTE]Think the shops need to cut out the voucher system that's how Leroy got through.

[QUOTE=Ewe52;6688871]Think the shops need to cut out the voucher system that's how Leroy got through.[/QUOTE]I'm all for it if that's the new policy going around to ask for name, race, etc over vouching. Keeps mongers and the shops and the girls a bit safer.