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[QUOTE=OcasianBoy;4160558]Her face sure looks like Kim K for sure. She's pretty with a nice body but $600 is high at least for me. If you can go for 5 hours and she does what you like / want, go for it. There's a hot girl in the SD board that a guy found for 3. If you decide to hit her up, let us know how it went.[/QUOTE]Well I tried to talk her down to $4 but she said I was cheap and then all of sudden blocked me. Oh well, on to the next. I have something set up with this hottie below. And she is not cheap either but have sent me nudes and can host which is a plus.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6987d6b0-59d6-412d-acbc-d7a9b65f7360[/URL]

[QUOTE=CitySlicker;4163368]Well I tried to talk her down to $4 but she said I was cheap and then all of sudden blocked me. Oh well, on to the next. I have something set up with this hottie below. And she is not cheap either but have sent me nudes and can host which is a plus.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6987d6b0-59d6-412d-acbc-d7a9b65f7360[/URL][/QUOTE]That girl looks great! And hosting addresses a host of issues. If you can get her for four, I'd jump.

Always been wanting to tag team / mfm an sb. Anyone know anyone interested?

[QUOTE=CitySlicker;4163368]Well I tried to talk her down to $4 but she said I was cheap and then all of sudden blocked me. Oh well, on to the next. I have something set up with this hottie below. And she is not cheap either but have sent me nudes and can host which is a plus.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6987d6b0-59d6-412d-acbc-d7a9b65f7360[/URL][/QUOTE]She looks decent but $600 seems like a waste to me unless you are on a high roller hobby budget. She said you get 5 hrs but that seems mostly wasted because how long can you fuck really? Maybe 2 hrs tops, nobody fucks longer than that so the rest is all just hanging out talking. That's a lot of cheddar for talk. I say she's greedy and would have done well to take the $400 for a single date, you know damn well she's not making that kind of money at work. These girls must believe the hype that SA is filled with desperate millionaires just looking to give out stacks of cash for a peck on the cheek.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4164511]She looks decent but $600 seems like a waste to me unless you are on a high roller hobby budget. She said you get 5 hrs but that seems mostly wasted because how long can you fuck really? Maybe 2 hrs tops, nobody fucks longer than that so the rest is all just hanging out talking. That's a lot of cheddar for talk. I say she's greedy and would have done well to take the $400 for a single date, you know damn well she's not making that kind of money at work. These girls must believe the hype that SA is filled with desperate millionaires just looking to give out stacks of cash for a peck on the cheek.[/QUOTE]Yes, even Robert Kraft is keeping on eye on his budget by going to spas rather than SD route (what a bummer that is for him, if it's true about the cameras. And I give him props for keeping his irons in the fire despite his age and social status; can't be easy to do when you're that well known).

[QUOTE=CitySlicker;4160333]I am trying to set up something with her but she is firm at $600. She say it is for 5 hours of fun. So I might just take the dive. My membership will expire in 2 days. Any 411 on this hottie?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8302ba16-310a-4342-b533-2f990224432e[/URL][/QUOTE]Can someone screenshot this profile?

Says its disabled for me.

[QUOTE=Mile22;4166065]Can someone screenshot this profile?

Says its disabled for me.[/QUOTE]They deactivated their account.

I am right handed but almost always finger / feel up girls with my left hand. And most always prefer to position the girl to my left to make that easier.

What about you?

Your story got me very curious and I had to ask. Ofcourse, if its not my business and you can choose not to answer. Of the three girls you're hosting it appears that you are getting favors from only one. Is it because you consider it as a work in progress and you plan on getting more favors as time goes by or you basically enjoy the complex dynamics of the way it is set up? I mean what would be the end game plan out of this situation.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4161198]I only do ppm. But have done monthly in the past when I could afford it (or maybe I was just a little less educated on the subject). Every scenario is different. Today I have a girl paying me rent (but no more benefits, except for some hugs and kisses and her rent paid on time in benji's). A girl that sleeps with me that pays all her own bills (and after 6 years is more like a wife). And a GF that I pay all our expenses (which are high)(rooms, meals, party favors), but no sugar. So basically I have three young hot girls in my life on a daily basis giving, spending (or not spending) varying levels of cash, with varying levels of emotional intimacy and sex... that adds up to a zero $um game.

If I have any extra time or money I do PPM for a $ plus the room and uber if any. And very few girls get past the first date. Either they aren't good enough for me or I am too cheap for them. The ones that do go past a date or two, its because there is a connection. (emotionally, physically, and financially). I know there are ppl that read this and say its BS, that an 18 or 20 year old is not gonna fall in love with a 65 year old. But it happens.

Girls fall in love with guys that regularly beat the crap out them, spend all their money, etc,. etc., so its not too hard to imagine a girl falling for someone that takes care of them (no matter their age). I also only LTR girls that identify as princesses, baby girls, bunnies, kitties, little, etc. Typically fragile all around.[/QUOTE]

I would like to pose this question to the SA veterans like HollywoodGuy who are verysuccessful in squeezing so much honey from SA time and again. I'd imagine they have a working method to the madness. When I had the premium subscription with SA I was hit by hundreds of potential SBs. Then they will go ghost on me at various stages of our conversation or the profile would disappear and the same girl would reappear with a different SA handle. If SA allows to download the contacts and conversations it would be lot easier. Given that they don't allow that and the website can be painfully slow and glitchy what are the golden rules that you abide by? How do you keep yourself sane by not getting drowned into a rabbit hole? Appreciate any useful tips. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;4167091]Your story got me very curious and I had to ask. Ofcourse, if its not my business and you can choose not to answer. Of the three girls you're hosting it appears that you are getting favors from only one. Is it because you consider it as a work in progress and you plan on getting more favors as time goes by or you basically enjoy the complex dynamics of the way it is set up? I mean what would be the end game plan out of this situation.[/QUOTE]The roommate, nothing. But if I really pushed her she would. But hey, she is paying me. We had about 50 trips to the FC before the honeymoon was over. The "wifey", we do it occasionally. She is my best friend. She would not turn me down if I asked, but I rarely ask. Although sometimes in the middle of the nite she will surprise me. The GF, we do it non-stop. Like almost 30 trips to the FC so far this year. And yeah, it's cool the way it is for now. It's mostly a money thing. I don't have much. : ( . When things get better I am sure I will make some adjustments. Also I like the company. There is never a shortage of kissing, cuddling and conversation. And when I am ready for some PSE I go to the GF or try out a new girl.

While conceivably, (I don't like that word) I'd consider $500 for a stunning, smart sexual nympho, you have no idea how someone will vibe with you till you fuck her. Many of the prettier girls will ask for $500, but so long as you are not disgusting or over 60, I think they will all have sex for $400. Many will do $300 + uber if you make them believe it will be a regular hook up.

That is also a secret, make it clear you want a regular thing out of it if you guys get along. And if you don't like her, then you know she should have tried her best on the first date.

Never just send money, always PPM. Look, they are just amateur hookers. The main differnece is they have "feelings" and don't want to feel like they are ******, even if they are.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;4167117]I would like to pose this question to the SA veterans like HollywoodGuy who are verysuccessful in squeezing so much honey from SA time and again. I'd imagine they have a working method to the madness. When I had the premium subscription with SA I was hit by hundreds of potential SBs. Then they will go ghost on me at various stages of our conversation or the profile would disappear and the same girl would reappear with a different SA handle. If SA allows to download the contacts and conversations it would be lot easier. Given that they don't allow that and the website can be painfully slow and glitchy what are the golden rules that you abide by? How do you keep yourself sane by not getting drowned into a rabbit hole? Appreciate any useful tips. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hide your SA profile from search. That way, you pick who you are in contact w / . It cuts way down on the scammer messages. I do it for safety too, I pretty much know I don't know the POT before she ever sees my profile. They only know you viewed them, and then they can see your profile.

[QUOTE=Avocat;4167346]While conceivably, (I don't like that word) I'd consider $500 for a stunning, smart sexual nympho, you have no idea how someone will vibe with you till you fuck her. Many of the prettier girls will ask for $500, but so long as you are not disgusting or over 60, I think they will all have sex for $400. Many will do $300 + uber if you make them believe it will be a regular hook up.

That is also a secret, make it clear you want a regular thing out of it if you guys get along. And if you don't like her, then you know she should have tried her best on the first date.

Never just send money, always PPM. Look, they are just amateur hookers. The main differnece is they have "feelings" and don't want to feel like they are ******, even if they are.[/QUOTE]I assume that you pay cash for PPM, correct? And is there any reason not to use my house as a meet location? Everybody here is talking about hotels and motels, but why not use my nice comfortable house?

Thanks for the insight- much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4167809]I assume that you pay cash for PPM, correct? And is there any reason not to use my house as a meet location? Everybody here is talking about hotels and motels, but why not use my nice comfortable house?

Thanks for the insight- much appreciated![/QUOTE]Dude! Because most of these girls will go batshit insane on you in a heartbeat. Yes, there are a handful of gems on there looking for their daddy and she's always sweet and she's polite and she will not make waves for you and is a great girl all-around. And then there's the majority of girls who have moderate to extreme levels of self-entiltlements, absolutely love to make drama, or are downright cold calculating scammers. Go ahead, place your bet now.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4167809]I assume that you pay cash for PPM, correct? And is there any reason not to use my house as a meet location? Everybody here is talking about hotels and motels, but why not use my nice comfortable house?

Thanks for the insight- much appreciated![/QUOTE]Most girls don't take credit cards. LOL. And I used to use my house all the time, but due to having a live in GF I started using no-tels. I wish I would have done that years ago. No reason for a girl you are going to bang once or twice needing to know where you live.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4168529]Most girls don't take credit cards. LOL. And I used to use my house all the time, but due to having a live in GF I started using no-tels. I wish I would have done that years ago. No reason for a girl you are going to bang once or twice needing to know where you live.[/QUOTE]I didn't mean cc's; I thought these girls would have PayPal or Patreon accounts set up so that dudes could pay them online. Never mind! :) thanks.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;4168053]Dude! Because most of these girls will go batshit insane on you in a heartbeat. Yes, there are a handful of gems on there looking for their daddy and she's always sweet and she's polite and she will not make waves for you and is a great girl all-around. And then there's the majority of girls who have moderate to extreme levels of self-entiltlements, absolutely love to make drama, or are downright cold calculating scammers. Go ahead, place your bet now.[/QUOTE]Gotcha. I was thinking more like they were professionals, but they're really (genuinely) civilians. I get it now! It's like taking home a hardcore **** from a bar -- anything can happen.

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No pimps and you are obviously either a pimp, promoter, or maybe the chick.

In any event fuck off

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Does anyone else get mad when these girls just want to meet during working hours in the day. What fantasy are they living in where they get $300 just for coffee dates regularly yet claim to live out of their car and expect their SD to just bend to their schedule. Boggles my mind. Okay rant over.

I was intrigued enough to join last night and spent an hour reviewing local L. A. SB's on the site. Damn, now I think I get what you mofos are talking about. There is a lot of hot young pussy on that site. More than I expected. Now it looks like I'm going to find out just how crazy / sleazy / scammy they are! But it's been a while since I fucked a cute 20 year-old, so I guess it's worth the potential of unlocking Pandora's box of craziness.

I also watched a lot of YouTube videos from SB's who complain at great length about Splenda Daddies and Salt Daddies, so it looks like it's a big pileup of drama.

[QUOTE=DavidTheSancho;4170480]Does anyone else get mad when these girls just want to meet during working hours in the day. What fantasy are they living in where they get $300 just for coffee dates regularly yet claim to live out of their car and expect their SD to just bend to their schedule. Boggles my mind. Okay rant over.[/QUOTE]No reason to get mad when there are so many willing and eager to please girls to choose from.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4171020]I was intrigued enough to join last night and spent an hour reviewing local L. A. SB's on the site. Damn, now I think I get what you mofos are talking about. There is a lot of hot young pussy on that site. More than I expected. Now it looks like I'm going to find out just how crazy / sleazy / scammy they are! But it's been a while since I fucked a cute 20 year-old, so I guess it's worth the potential of unlocking Pandora's box of craziness.

I also watched a lot of YouTube videos from SB's who complain at great length about Splenda Daddies and Salt Daddies, so it looks like it's a big pileup of drama.[/QUOTE]Word of advice is take your time to surf the pages for a few days to get familiar with the girls. Don't rush into any arrangement or send $ without meet. Once you play the game a bit then you will see it is not that easy and very time consuming. I dnt know where Hollywood guy is able to find $100 girls but the lowest I've encountered at $200 and it was a quicky. The norm is 300-600 and they are very pretty and non-pro who you can enjoy for a couple of hours. Good luck and happy hunting!

[QUOTE=CitySlicker;4171824]Word of advice is take your time to surf the pages for a few days to get familiar with the girls. Don't rush into any arrangement or send $ without meet. Once you play the game a bit then you will see it is not that easy and very time consuming. I dnt know where Hollywood guy is able to find $100 girls but the lowest I've encountered at $200 and it was a quicky. The norm is 300-600 and they are very pretty and non-pro who you can enjoy for a couple of hours. Good luck and happy hunting![/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I'm totally willing to spend 3-4 for a cute lady if she's really in her early 20's. At max, I might go 5, but no higher. Two more questions, if you don't mind:

(1) Why is it so time-consuming? Aren't the SB's also trying to minimize the time commitment?

(2) Do all SB's understand that the first meeting is PPM? Or is the first meeting typically just a meet-and-greet for the two people to eyeball each other in person and make sure that each is cool with the other?

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=CitySlicker;4171824]Word of advice is take your time to surf the pages for a few days to get familiar with the girls. Don't rush into any arrangement or send $ without meet. Once you play the game a bit then you will see it is not that easy and very time consuming. I dnt know where Hollywood guy is able to find $100 girls but the lowest I've encountered at $200 and it was a quicky. The norm is 300-600 and they are very pretty and non-pro who you can enjoy for a couple of hours. Good luck and happy hunting![/QUOTE]Same experience here. I've been sinking in some serious hours looking high and low for these girls who will take $100-$200 ppm and have had zero success. Any girl I was able to find who wasn't straight up ugly wants big coins, I could go to Eros and skip the drama completely if I had $500-$1000 per date to blow. I was hoping to find some naive young non-pro girls who would be open to a cheap ppm, nope, not even once. Seems they aren't so dumb and desperate after all. They are very aware of what they are worth per hour and actually charge well above the market rate, I hate it. I wasted my money buying a membership on SA, but at least now I've satisfied my curiosity. I always wondered if a decent looking guy could score some action on there for less than the pros charge and now I have my answer, no. HG must be a wizard to keep finding these gems because I haven't run across one, I don't know how he's doing it.

I'll tell you what though if you're into black girls though, there's a bounty of action to be had. I got hit up from them non-stop. Not bad looking either, just not really my taste.

Have you not seen and read what HG's preferences are? He loves AA ladies and makes no bones about it. I was in LA back in the fall on business and scored a chubby, but fun, white girl for $200. So, they are out there.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172387]Same experience here. I've been sinking in some serious hours looking high and low for these girls who will take $100-$200 ppm and have had zero success. Any girl I was able to find who wasn't straight up ugly wants big coins, I could go to Eros and skip the drama completely if I had $500-$1000 per date to blow. I was hoping to find some naive young non-pro girls who would be open to a cheap ppm, nope, not even once. Seems they aren't so dumb and desperate after all. They are very aware of what they are worth per hour and actually charge well above the market rate, I hate it. I wasted my money buying a membership on SA, but at least now I've satisfied my curiosity. I always wondered if a decent looking guy could score some action on there for less than the pros charge and now I have my answer, no. HG must be a wizard to keep finding these gems because I haven't run across one, I don't know how he's doing it.

I'll tell you what though if you're into black girls though, there's a bounty of action to be had. I got hit up from them non-stop. Not bad looking either, just not really my taste.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172387]Same experience here. I've been sinking in some serious hours looking high and low for these girls who will take $100-$200 ppm and have had zero success. Any girl I was able to find who wasn't straight up ugly wants big coins, I could go to Eros and skip the drama completely if I had $500-$1000 per date to blow. I was hoping to find some naive young non-pro girls who would be open to a cheap ppm, nope, not even once. Seems they aren't so dumb and desperate after all. They are very aware of what they are worth per hour and actually charge well above the market rate, I hate it. I wasted my money buying a membership on SA, but at least now I've satisfied my curiosity. I always wondered if a decent looking guy could score some action on there for less than the pros charge and now I have my answer, no. HG must be a wizard to keep finding these gems because I haven't run across one, I don't know how he's doing it.

I'll tell you what though if you're into black girls though, there's a bounty of action to be had. I got hit up from them non-stop. Not bad looking either, just not really my taste.[/QUOTE]Will you please post a few links with some rates that you heard? I would love to get a feeling for $ vs. Looks as I begin to swim out in these waters. If you're really hearing $1 K from any of these non-pros, I'll be shocked. That is really a fuckton of cash for an hour, especially if they're also expecting us to cover transport and hotel.

Also, are you hearing the $ from them in pre-meeting online conversations or do I have to go have dinner with one of them before she drops the number?

Thanks very much for the intel!

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;4172449]Have you not seen and read what HG's preferences are? He loves AA ladies and makes no bones about it. I was in LA back in the fall on business and scored a chubby, but fun, white girl for $200. So, they are out there.[/QUOTE]This. It's very obvious that HG's low PPM stories are extremely skewed by the fact that the vast majority of the ones he meets are AA (and he is upfront about this). For the rest of us who don't necessarily have that racial preference, the approximate price ranges are:

Latina: 200+.

Whites and Asians: 300+.

You can adjust these levels up and down a bit depending on how hot the girl is and how good-looking / non-creepy you are, but the absolute floor is usually 200 for any non-AA girl.

[QUOTE=Stolper;4172568]This. It's very obvious that HG's low PPM stories are extremely skewed by the fact that the vast majority of the ones he meets are AA (and he is upfront about this). For the rest of us who don't necessarily have that racial preference, the approximate price ranges are:

Latina: 200+.

Whites and Asians: 300+.

You can adjust these levels up and down a bit depending on how hot the girl is and how good-looking / non-creepy you are, but the absolute floor is usually 200 for any non-AA girl.[/QUOTE]That seems to be the case. I know HG usually scores AA but I also recall HG saying he was scoring more than just AA for $ range (he mentioned Latina and other races or maybe I'm really mistaken?), that is where I got the idea that it might work for me as well, it didn't though. For me the absolute floor has been $400 for non-AA, but my preference is slender girls so I wouldn't even consider contacting anyone chubby. I don't like thick girls even if the price was free.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;4172449]Have you not seen and read what HG's preferences are? He loves AA ladies and makes no bones about it. I was in LA back in the fall on business and scored a chubby, but fun, white girl for $200. So, they are out there.[/QUOTE]I am sure if I spent the time to target the white girls I would get them. Not as much for $ but for sure at $$. And the black girls that want $$ ... OMG they are super fine. But they will just have to keep waiting. I do have one white girl right now that I had to turn down due to her lack of being able to produce a picture ID. She says she will do that in a few weeks when she gets around to it. All I know is she txts me a few times a day. If she does produce the ID I will let you all know what happens.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172574]That seems to be the case. I know HG usually scores AA but I also recall HG saying he was scoring more than just AA for $ range (he mentioned Latina and other races or maybe I'm really mistaken?), that is where I got the idea that it might work for me as well, it didn't though. For me the absolute floor has been $400 for non-AA, but my preference is slender girls so I wouldn't even consider contacting anyone chubby. I don't like thick girls even if the price was free.[/QUOTE]And yes sometimes I do get a latina or asian, those are the ones that just fall into my lap as I do not court them. Because if a girl favorites me, about half the time I will respond back even if she isn't AA.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4172590]And yes sometimes I do get a latina or asian, those are the ones that just fall into my lap as I do not court them. Because if a girl favorites me, about half the time I will respond back even if she isn't AA.[/QUOTE]You must be hella smoother than me. Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? How about that white girl. Come on I'm dying of blue balls over here, I'll take anything so long as she's thin. Bro my membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me off site, nothing but game players, not one of them had any follow through with anything.

Pretty much the similar experience I had, plus too many pros. Thats why I retired from the bowl now. Just dealing with AMP and escorts. Mainly AMP since it is much more convenience. Too much time and hazard dealing with SB unfortunately.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172387]Same experience here. I've been sinking in some serious hours looking high and low for these girls who will take $100-$200 ppm and have had zero success. Any girl I was able to find who wasn't straight up ugly wants big coins, I could go to Eros and skip the drama completely if I had $500-$1000 per date to blow. I was hoping to find some naive young non-pro girls who would be open to a cheap ppm, nope, not even once. Seems they aren't so dumb and desperate after all. They are very aware of what they are worth per hour and actually charge well above the market rate, I hate it. I wasted my money buying a membership on SA, but at least now I've satisfied my curiosity. I always wondered if a decent looking guy could score some action on there for less than the pros charge and now I have my answer, no. HG must be a wizard to keep finding these gems because I haven't run across one, I don't know how he's doing it.

I'll tell you what though if you're into black girls though, there's a bounty of action to be had. I got hit up from them non-stop. Not bad looking either, just not really my taste.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4172046]Thanks for the advice. I'm totally willing to spend 3-4 for a cute lady if she's really in her early 20's. At max, I might go 5, but no higher. Two more questions, if you don't mind:

(1) Why is it so time-consuming? Aren't the SB's also trying to minimize the time commitment?

(2) Do all SB's understand that the first meeting is PPM? Or is the first meeting typically just a meet-and-greet for the two people to eyeball each other in person and make sure that each is cool with the other?

Thanks again![/QUOTE]1) Several emails or chat before moving into serious commitment. Those that was to meet immediately are pros so I try to avoid them. UTR are usually slower to want to meet and looking for safely (connection).

2) don't discuss price on email or chat on SA. Always do it via text if $ figures are involved or you will be ban.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172592]You must be hella smoother than me. Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? How about that white girl. Come on I'm dying of blue balls over here, I'll take anything so long as she's thin. Bro my membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me off site, nothing but game players, not one of them had any follow through with anything.[/QUOTE]You must be hella smoother than me. - probably

Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? - no

How about that white girl. - no

My membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me. - Message 100 girls, talk like a guy that used to getting laid, say you pay $$$ for an hour or more of their time. Take them to email or txt to spell it out. This should get you laid for the next 30 days about as often as you can handle it. Don't message anyone over 22

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;4173085]You must be hella smoother than me. - probably

Well can you give me a lead or something a link to one of these unicorn chicks? - no

How about that white girl. - no

My membership is almost up and haven't heard from a single chick who was even willing to email me. - Message 100 girls, talk like a guy that used to getting laid, say you pay $$$ for an hour or more of their time. Take them to email or txt to spell it out. This should get you laid for the next 30 days about as often as you can handle it. Don't message anyone over 22.[/QUOTE]Why 22? What have you noticed is the difference between under / over 22? And are the ages that girls are posting accurate or are they all lying to seem younger?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Blarharse;4173691]Why 22? What have you noticed is the difference between under / over 22? And are the ages that girls are posting accurate or are they all lying to seem younger?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The older they are the more cash they want. With the younger girls they sometimes lie to appear older. Always ask if they have ID before you even meet them. I have ditched over 2 dozen girls that could not produce an ID. No more will be said about that and please don't ask.

I have had numerous Sb's using HG's strategy and payment schedule. Mostly AA's but some Latina's and one white woman in her thirties who had just a god given rack but was crazy so I said I found a girlfriend. Another young cutie who was really horny and agreed to me giving her a sensual massage and eating her out for $. She got soaking wet from the massage and I was hoping to move into FC but she kept her wits about her. The range of attractiveness has been from 4 to two honest to goodness 10's. Now, the 10's were one time things because once out of the situation, they wanted more $$. But it is a turn on for the unjaded young woman to go on this adventure, especially if you handle it right. I in my mid fifties, perhaps good looking enough but not in shape (I keep trying because I know I would reap the rewards.) I have two very important things going for me: I don't act creepy in the slightest and I know how to go down on a woman. I have a mid thirties White woman willing to meet me for no $ . At one point I had three AA women that never asked me for $. Two whom I still see. One is very cute. One is very sweet. Both have excellent skills and are open to anything I want. Do I get turned down a lot? Yes. The price point is a challenge. But I think anyone can get what they want on the site provided they have the capital. I don't find many of the white women on the site that attractive. I have always been attracted to Latinas and African American women. I don't mind bigger women because I have found they are amazing lovers. If I could afford to date Asians and Caucasians, I would pursue them. I have sent messages to Asian women on the site and they never respond. It sucks but I don't have a remedy. Perhaps getting in shape would change their outlook. Maybe they can tell, I don't have the capital. When a POT responds with shock, anger, or incredulousness at my offer, I either politely wish her good luck or if she is really desirable, will ask what is her price point for continuing. MOST times, this doesn't work because she is already insulted. The utr's will respond and usually it's around the $$ mark. The ones who are thinking about $$ and beyond, I have no interest in.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;4172387]Same experience here. I've been sinking in some serious hours looking high and low for these girls who will take $100-$200 ppm and have had zero success. Any girl I was able to find who wasn't straight up ugly wants big coins, I could go to Eros and skip the drama completely if I had $500-$1000 per date to blow. I was hoping to find some naive young non-pro girls who would be open to a cheap ppm, nope, not even once. Seems they aren't so dumb and desperate after all. They are very aware of what they are worth per hour and actually charge well above the market rate, I hate it. I wasted my money buying a membership on SA, but at least now I've satisfied my curiosity. I always wondered if a decent looking guy could score some action on there for less than the pros charge and now I have my answer, no. HG must be a wizard to keep finding these gems because I haven't run across one, I don't know how he's doing it.

I'll tell you what though if you're into black girls though, there's a bounty of action to be had. I got hit up from them non-stop. Not bad looking either, just not really my taste.[/QUOTE]90% of the women I've seen (and there have been many) have been $200 ppm or less. All races. Black, white, latina, and (one) asian LOL.

The exceptions were MILFs (older women, or with children who were happy with $300 ppm. But we all know they generally ask for more anyway), and three girls who are actual bonafide models. Two asked for $2 k / mo, but got them both down to $450 ppm. I don't see either of them any more.

As for the other, she's happy with anything I give her within the $200-$450 pm range. Depends on how I'm feeling on the day and what her needs are.

Being decent looking will get them intrigued & get you in the ball park.

The keys to the kingdom (in my experience) are (1) not being a total fucking creep / perv in DMs (aka having some game & knowing how to ask qualifying questions), (2) meeting in person before discussing any sugar, and (3) repeating Step (1) in person. Don't be a weirdo, show some genuine interest in who they are as a person, make them laugh & feel comfortable. Fuck their mind a bit before you try to fuck their pussy.

The above advice is taken from both personal experience, and speaking with these girls about their experience on the site & what most of the approaches they receive are like.

It may seem like a lot of "work" to most guys. But the extra effort is what will separate the guys who get the top shelf girls for the $ that they want, from those who have to pay premiums, or don't get many responses at all.

[QUOTE=Mile22;4175258]90% of the women I've seen (and there have been many) have been $200 ppm or less. All races. Black, white, latina, and (one) asian LOL.

The exceptions were MILFs (older women, or with children who were happy with $300 ppm. But we all know they generally ask for more anyway), and three girls who are actual bonafide models. Two asked for $2 k / mo, but got them both down to $450 ppm. I don't see either of them any more.

As for the other, she's happy with anything I give her within the $200-$450 pm range. Depends on how I'm feeling on the day and what her needs are.

Being decent looking will get them intrigued & get you in the ball park.

The keys to the kingdom (in my experience) are (1) not being a total fucking creep / perv in DMs (aka having some game & knowing how to ask qualifying questions), (2) meeting in person before discussing any sugar, and (3) repeating Step (1) in person. Don't be a weirdo, show some genuine interest in who they are as a person, make them laugh & feel comfortable. Fuck their mind a bit before you try to fuck their pussy.

The above advice is taken from both personal experience, and speaking with these girls about their experience on the site & what most of the approaches they receive are like.

It may seem like a lot of "work" to most guys. But the extra effort is what will separate the guys who get the top shelf girls for the $ that they want, from those who have to pay premiums, or don't get many responses at all.[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention.

Once you have a 'regular.

Mind-blowing sex, good conversation, the ability to offer them valuable / actionable advice on their goals, and taking a genuine interest in their lives will get you into the promised land of seeing girls for zero $.

I have 2 black girls, 2 white girls, and a latina that I can see whenever I want & that neither ask for nor expect any $$$ at all.

Patience & extra effort is worth it.