Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Kirstyforme]This information is solid and right on the mark. What's troublesome to me now is weaning off some of the expectations some of the girls have when they see me come in. There are several who I've enjoyed in the past that see me now and instantly want to go to VIP. Nice for the ego but I usually like to sit for a short while before disappearing into VIP. Moreover, some know (or have heard through the dancer grapevine) what I've given certain dancers after particularly satisfying VIP sessions. In one case a dancer and I had a good time in VIP (pretty good but not my all time best). She was called to stage and had to leave VIP pretty quickly. I also had to make my exit so I went to pay her while she was on stage. I rewarded her nicely (but not as nice as I had done on a few previous VIP sessions) and she looked at me like, WTF... I didn't care for that attitude at all! So, now how to reset expectations when the dancers have come to equate a certain customer to a certain level of payment? That seems to be my next challenge - resetting some (and I stress some) expectations when it comes to tips in VIP.

The other challenge on my list right now is dealing with requests for 'loans' or 'advances' from dancers. So far I'm batting .000 with being re-paid back (don't worry I knew up front my chances were slim to none of ever seeing my money again). I'm still learning how to deal with these situations gracefully, lol.[/QUOTE]

One way to reset the expectation of a dancer to expect a certain level of payment from you is to tell her upfront how much you intend to spend for your trip to vip before the trip happens. If she does not want to go to VIP for that amount then find a different dancer who would.
Sometimes when you make yourself "high profile" to the dancers and they know you pay well they scramble to get you up there.
My idea on this is to stick with the dancers who are not money grubbing @#$^%#@.

Have a great day.

[QUOTE=Feaster69]One way to reset the expectation of a dancer to expect a certain level of payment from you is to tell her upfront how much you intend to spend for your trip to vip before the trip happens. If she does not want to go to VIP for that amount then find a different dancer who would.[/QUOTE]
Excellent advice.

[QUOTE=Feaster69]My idea on this is to stick with the dancers who are not money grubbing @#$^%#@.[/QUOTE]
Ah, words to live by! I think it may be a short (but satisfying) list...

K4me

Feaster is right about negotiating in advance. The only caveat is being careful how you negotiate. You don't want to say, "What will you do for $100?" I start out asking, "How much money do you want to make today?" and I take it from there. (That was a Sexhobbyist tip.)

Another tip: I always try to vary the amount I give so that the dancer never expects a certain amount. Sometimes it varies by $20-$40, but it's hardly ever the same amount each time. Those that have a prix fixed menu, can expect to have me alter their prices.

I made a visit to a club today and was gently chided (with a velvet glove) by a forum reader who is a dancer. She said that her prices are considerably higher than the "one Benjamin Franklin" I said was the cost of fs.

My experience in a recent round robin of the clubs found this: full-service in four clubs with nine play-for-pay fs strippers. The average price was $100. Some asked for more and settled for less. One said, "my club price is $100, but I charge $200 outside the club." One said, "Just fuck me for any price."

My dancer friend said that the dancers she knew were charging $300-$500 and getting it. That may be the case. It depends on the knowledge and horniness of the monger paying those prices. Congrats for getting that price. That's why it's called free enterprise.

One thing she mentioned was that the dancers charging the low prices were the ones who didn't care about using condoms. The implication was that these were the strippers who didn't care about getting or spreading disease. In my club survey, condoms were used in every instance no matter what the price.
SH

Thought I would add my opinions and observations to the current discussion. I agree with SH in that the current rate, in the couple of clubs that I frequent, is 1 Benjamin, for FS. I have as well received lesser services for no more than your general gratuity.

Negotiation pre action is not a bad move either, especially if it is a gal you have not been serviced by before. I am not against compensating handsomely for great service at a club, but I hate feeling like a heel when I have to laugh at a gal when she starts asking for more after the act is completed and she is not happy with the tip given.

The fact is the economy is bad and these girls need to earn. At the CS in particular I think prices have deflated a great deal because VIP action is open til close now, no longer limited to the earlier hours of the day. Daytime in there is like a Roman orgy and the evenings are where the daytime was a year ago. You know it is bad when your waitress is asking you if you got a BJ while you were in there.

And I am in total agreement with Feaster...lets stick to the girls that aren't money grubbing. No faster way to guarantee no repeat business from me.

D Dog

[QUOTE=Sexhobbyist]Feaster is right about negotiating in advance. The only caveat is being careful how you negotiate. You don't want to say, "What will you do for $100?" I start out asking, "How much money do you want to make today?" and I take it from there. (That was a Sexhobbyist tip.)

Another tip: I always try to vary the amount I give so that the dancer never expects a certain amount. Sometimes it varies by $20-$40, but it's hardly ever the same amount each time. Those that have a prix fixed menu, can expect to have me alter their prices.

I made a visit to a club today and was gently chided (with a velvet glove) by a forum reader who is a dancer. She said that her prices are considerably higher than the "one Benjamin Franklin" I said was the cost of fs.

My experience in a recent round robin of the clubs found this: full-service in four clubs with nine play-for-pay fs strippers. The average price was $100. Some asked for more and settled for less. One said, "my club price is $100, but I charge $200 outside the club." One said, "Just fuck me for any price."

My dancer friend said that the dancers she knew were charging $300-$500 and getting it. That may be the case. It depends on the knowledge and horniness of the monger paying those prices. Congrats for getting that price. That's why it's called free enterprise.

One thing she mentioned was that the dancers charging the low prices were the ones who didn't care about using condoms. The implication was that these were the strippers who didn't care about getting or spreading disease. In my club survey, condoms were used in every instance no matter what the price.
SH[/QUOTE]

Just to let you know I know the Dancer who spanked your bottom in the club today. LOL Sometimes she does not choose her words so carefully and things come out not the way she intended. She knows I read and post here as she knows me by both names. Said dancer came up to me in the vip and told me of the talk you two had. I know that she did not intend to say that all of the $ fs girls are unsafe she just knows there are a few (lot) that are unsafe.
Personally I would have never posted that FS is going for $ that just hurts the FS girls who are worth 3-5. Some girls just give more personal attention and enjoy the time they spend doing their jobs and that makes it worth 3-5. But announcing to the forum that $ is all it takes hurts those girls when it comes to getting those first time vip trips to pay off. It becomes easy for the forum reader to tell the 3-5 girl no he will find one of those 1 girls.

I'm not saying you can't have a good time with some of the $ girls and I'm not saying all of the $$$-5 girls are worth the money.

So with all of that said just shop the girls and find the one you like for that trip to the vip and have fun.

I do know that most of the girls are not afraid to work out a price with you even if it is not what she set her price at.

There are some dancers who are worth every single penny of whatever amount she gets. There are some dancers I'd pay a small fortune to experience. This includes the dancer who scolded me if ever she....never mind. Like the economy, dancer prices are deflated now. It is a buyer's market. Pay whatever it is worth to you. Let the market determine price. Econ 101.

I just have to ask. Are you guys insane? $$$ to $$$$$? Nogales is less than an hour south, you can definitely afford a trip to the border. After the first couple times, a 3 day weekend will still be less cash. Try it, and make sure to have a good time!

[QUOTE=B1942]I just have to ask. Are you guys insane? $$$ to $$$$$? Nogales is less than an hour south, you can definitely afford a trip to the border. After the first couple times, a 3 day weekend will still be less cash. Try it, and make sure to have a good time![/QUOTE]

I have written several times about the economics of mongering in Nogales versus Tucson. Check out my posts on the Nogales forum here on this site and at the International Sex Guide site and at my own site. After analyzing everything, Tucson is cheaper.

Nobody's paying $$$$$ in Tucson. Not that I'm aware of, anyway.

[QUOTE=B1942]I just have to ask. Are you guys insane? $$$ to $$$$$? Nogales is less than an hour south, you can definitely afford a trip to the border. After the first couple times, a 3 day weekend will still be less cash. Try it, and make sure to have a good time![/QUOTE]


$$$ is the norm starting for a lot of Tucson girls. 5 came from the guys that had an excptional time and wanted to show their gratitude for the extra time the girl spent. I have seen it happen on a couple occations with extra special girls.

I guess it's up to you how you spend your time and $ but some girls are just worth more for the way they treat you.

Well I have to say Feaster that five Benjamins is ludicrous for club action and I mean LUDICROUS. Now don't get me wrong I am not saying that there are not women who are worth that kind of compensation; just that for a "club quicky" where my junk is pulled through my fly the going rate is a little lower. Now if some of these gals have a take out menu then that is another story all together. In general the rates I have seen from $.5 -$$$.

The fact is as SH sated again the economy right now is a buyers market, and quite frankly you don't even need to go shopping. They are bringing to you and at a discount. In the last few weeks I have had women who have never danced for me straight out offer to blow me. One gal in particular,whose rates have been mentioned recently told me she was servicing for 50 a pop now; bad economy she said. Who knows everyones MMV.

And as far as Nogales goes, how ever much cheaper it may or may not be at this point, a few extra dollars for play is better than ending up dead in a gang land war.

D Dog

[QUOTE=Sexhobbyist]After analyzing everything, Tucson is cheaper.[/QUOTE]

And SAFER...a buddy at DHS has told me about some of the comms chatter and let me tell you, some of the crap you see in the news is very much "filtered". In some respects, it's just fine--no worse than walking around near UA. But there have been other very dangerous situations.

Of course YMMV and if you know your way around you should be fine.

Today was a funny day to me. There was this guy in the vip today trying his hardest to get FS for $. Needless to say he left the club with his zipper intact. I'm not saying it can't be done but it diden't happen. I kinda felt bad for the guy after the 5th dancer turned him down but maybe he should have taken the $ BJ and been happy to get it.

Happy hunting for those $ FS

[QUOTE=Feaster69]$$$ is the norm starting for a lot of Tucson girls. 5 came from the guys that had an excptional time and wanted to show their gratitude for the extra time the girl spent. I have seen it happen on a couple occations with extra special girls.

I guess it's up to you how you spend your time and $ but some girls are just worth more for the way they treat you.[/QUOTE]


I have been reading the Tuscon board for a few months now, and have been really getting interested in making a visit to your lovely city. Then, I saw the last few posts about how much it cost to get extras in the vip here. Are you guys crazy, or is the market that much different out here than the East Coast?

$$$ to $$$$$ for fs in a club vip on a couch with other mongers in the same room? First of all, If I want to spend that kind of $, I can get a hott escort for an hour in a hotel room, or maybe, in my own bed with multiple pops. There are strip clubs in South Jersey, just outside of Philadelphia, that have hott Brazilian girls who do couch dances in private rooms for thirty dollars a dance. In one club, hj is included in the cost. In another club, fs is $ plus the cost of the dances (and I think that is high for the quality of the experience and time.

Please correct me if I am wrong, before I purchase my flight. How much to get into the vip? What is the normal cost of extras? hj, bj, fs? How long can you stay in the back?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Basketball]I have been reading the Tuscon board for a few months now, and have been really getting interested in making a visit to your lovely city. Then, I saw the last few posts about how much it cost to get extras in the vip here. Are you guys crazy, or is the market that much different out here than the East Coast?

$$$ to $$$$$ for fs in a club vip on a couch with other mongers in the same room? First of all, If I want to spend that kind of $, I can get a hott escort for an hour in a hotel room, or maybe, in my own bed with multiple pops. There are strip clubs in South Jersey, just outside of Philadelphia, that have hott Brazilian girls who do couch dances in private rooms for thirty dollars a dance. In one club, hj is included in the cost. In another club, fs is $ plus the cost of the dances (and I think that is high for the quality of the experience and time.

Please correct me if I am wrong, before I purchase my flight. How much to get into the vip? What is the normal cost of extras? hj, bj, fs? How long can you stay in the back?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

I sent you a PM.
SH

Whoever is paying that much money in the VIP is geting ripped off. Some of the girls have offered to meet me outside the club for that much (some for less). One dancer who I think is the hottest thing in Tucson offered outside play for $$$$$. I turned her down. I think I am a little foolish to pay $ for a cbj in the club. Some dancers will expect you to pay for the dances that transpired while getting the cbj. Some won't. Those that do, won't get my patronage anymore. I suppose you can't blame someone for trying to maximize profits, but I am just not into the greedy scene and haggling with a woman is a big turnoff. There are a lot of escorts that charge the same and even less than the dancers. You can't say "The quality is better at the CS". Cause that is just BS on many levels. Now there may be something to the claim that doing it in the VIP is exciting or whatever, that is a personal thing and applies to a lot of kinks people pay more money to get fulfilled. I think maybe we have a dancer's advocate on the board and with good reason. I've found cbj (and sometimes bbbj) for $, FS for $$. I don't like to haggle so maybe you can get it for less. Of course, if someone thinks it's worth it and has the money, can you really say he is getting ripped off?