"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3464086]Many guys use SA as another escort site. If you want to attract long term SBs then you have to change your mindset. Part of that has to do with screening aggressively. You do not want to seek out the "easy" lays who are obviously escorts, but girls who want a steady guy and not a book of business. Also avoid the desperate Nando 1 type girls, who are likely addicted and irresponsible. Offer them a LT deal and stick to it. My SB arrangements last on average 1-2 years for ONE girl. I got over the "kid in the candy store" phase where I had to screw a new SB at least once / week. What you give you get. If you throw away a girl after a date or two then you will attract that type of personality. If you want 4 girls / month, then offering each a date / month will not hold them long. They are going to find an SD who can give them a more consistent schedule, or they will be juggling a bunch of guys as well. If that is what you want then stick with Backpage or EROS.[/QUOTE]While I'd say a goal would be really just one lt, the realities are it seems scheduling is always a challenge. So having fall backs is a good option. I could say for example that there are several I could contact that never turned anywhere do to scheduling issues on their part but would he willing to see again. Staying away from utrs isn't that hard. I know there are a lot of different styles here and am kind of more curious towards those that have a few they keep for any length of time, or even those that lend towards one lt but may occasionally dip towards others. Especially on the ltr end I'm curious how allowances or ppm or whatever change or don't or time.

[QUOTE=Moohk;3464005]I know this has been talked about a bit, but how many of you juggle a few for any length of time? Do most of you just try and see a baby once or twice and then drop or how many arrangements fall off more to scheduling conflicts. Keeping a steady schedule with anyone is one of the bigger challenges I see. One aproach I suppose is going in saying hey I can only see you once or twice a month to each one. Just a curiosity.[/QUOTE]I have one girl that I have seen off and on for close to 4 years. It is infrequent now and I don't give her any allowance half the time, we just hang out, have a glass of wine, and have fun. I've another that I have been seeing once or twice a month for about a year and a half. I've had several others that lasted in the 6 month to a year range. Sometimes I do meet a new girl that turns out to be a one time deal, because we don't really connect or because she wants more allowance than I am willing to commit. Right now I have two other girls, once I am seeing about once a week and the other when her schedule permits, sometimes twice in a week and then maybe not for a few weeks. Novelty is great, but I do like ongoing things with the right girl.

Assuming you prefer to be BB in FC will you tell the POT this preference during the conversations that precede the FC? Which can be by email, text or personal M&G?

Recently a POT wanted five Ben Franklins per meet and in the email exchange I told her my preference for BB to which she not surprisingly said "No thanks". My reasoning was "no way will I cover up after paying so much".

Just want to see what my brothers thought.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3464430]Assuming you prefer to be BB in FC will you tell the POT this preference during the conversations that precede the FC?[/QUOTE]I never bring it up. I get them there, get them really ready for it, and just do it. If she brings it up I cheerfully comply, but it is less likely that it will be a long term thing. I've found that true SB's (as opposed to the UTR girls or pro's that SA has become infested with) are usually good with it.

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;3464433]I never bring it up. I get them there, get them really ready for it, and just do it. If she brings it up I cheerfully comply, but it is less likely that it will be a long term thing. I've found that true SB's (as opposed to the UTR girls or pro's that SA has become infested with) are usually good with it.[/QUOTE]Yeah its everyone's choice but its also your health and possibly becoming a paying daddy for next 18 years LOL. Plus remember your paying these girls. Don't think that your the only one plus the civy guys that are not paying for it. Your least likely catching something from that pro who requires a cover than the civy girls doing everything bb.

First off, don't jump on my case for supporting GPS girls on Whats Your Price. I have got more college age dates to the FC off of WYP for less than $$ than I have got off of SA. This one new to WYP as of yesterday, Twinlove12, a beautiful blond 23 has Richmond as her location. But she is in Bluefield, WVA starting second semester summer school next week. I called her out on the location and she said she would come to Richmond if I sent her money. I have reported her to WYP so I will see if they make her change location or if she does it herself. I have got my credits refunded before on WYP so they do follow up on reports.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3464516]First off, don't jump on my case for supporting GPS girls on Whats Your Price. I have got more college age dates to the FC off of WYP for less than $$ than I have got off of SA.[/QUOTE]Can you describe your general approach to WYP? I've tried bids of 50 because I assume it's just for the M&G and I'm not getting any takers, they always counter $ or more or just straight decline.

New useful info:

When planning a single day visit out of town, and agreeing to meet a potential SB there, set a specific time limit on how long you'll be available!

My brief vacation, as it occurred in my dreams:

I had a single-day trip planned to an area that I'll be visiting more regularly, so I hit one of the SD sites to find some possible options, and connected with an interesting 40-something SB (SB-cute) who was attractive and AMAZING conversationally, and a 20-something Thai girl (SB-thai) who made it clear that her schedule was open for anytime I'd like to see her (so, yes, she was closer to an escort than a SB, which was less intimacy than I was looking for, but her hotness factor made up for a lot.).

Since SB-cute responded first, and we were already in the middle of an engaging ongoing conversation by the time SB-thai got around to responding initially, I had already planned to see SB-cute in the afternoon, so I let SB-thai dangle with an "I'll let you know when I'm free," and firmed up plans for a lunch date with SB-cute, with the understanding that, if things went well, we could extend the meeting beyond just pleasant conversation at lunch. SB-thai did touch base via sweet text messages over the next few days, reminding me that she'd love to see me anytime during that day, and welcoming me to town, on the day of my arrival, which was a nice touch, given that we didn't have firm plans.

Well, SB-cute showed up on time for our initial meet and greet, and took me to a really good local lunch spot. She looked at least as good as her pics, if not better, was skilled at being easy to talk to, and offered to take me on a walking tour of nearby places. From our discussions, it was pretty clear that, although she was serious about getting into the SB world (and understood that that involved more than lunches and wandering around,) she was very new at it, and was basically making ends meet, after losing her regular job, so I figured it wasn't unreasonable to spend a little while wandering around, with no great rush to the FC.

Unfortunately, hours later, as the sun was starting to set, she continued to artfully dodge suggestions to start heading back. As pleasant as her company was, I couldn't help but notice when she was taking me to some "little hideaway restaurant off the beaten path" that I was literally walking past a well reviewed FS AMP, that I had hoped to try, if the opportunity arose. I looked sadly at the discretely unlabelled entrance, and went on to try out the good (and extremely inexpensive) food at the nearby restaurant, while wondering if I had just wasted my day on a pleasant, but very G-rated walking tour of the city. When leaving from the restaurant, she did discuss which routes would take us both back to our eventual destinations (my hotel for me, and her house for her,) but indicated that she was open to coming along with me, for a while, if I'd like, though she did have to be back home by midnight. I definitely took her up on that, and we headed to the hotel, fairly exhausted, but feeling pretty comfortable.

Unfortunately, as much as she was sweet and cute and willing to give things a go, she was very much a pillow princess, only open to missionary, and, after she got her O from an extended session of enthusiastically encouraged oral, her enthusiasm dimmed "well, I got off, so don't forget that I have to be home soon. " While we were engaged in the main event she started clock watching (literally) then seeming relieved that there was still plenty of time left for the cab, but bringing up how she needed to get her kids tucked in and relieve the babysitter, etc. Rushing is really not something I enjoy, but it got a bit worse a few minutes later, when she suddenly said she had to use the bathroom, disengaged, and ran in to do that. Upon her return, she said she really wanted me to get my turn at getting off, and suggested I lie back, and let her handle things. Sadly, that turned out to mean that she intended to get me off with her hand. And she was not particularly skilled at that. She attempted to get me involved in self-service, but I flatly refused that. She did mix in a little oral action, but, again, her skills were lacking, compared to professionals, and the "intimacy" aspect had been spoiled by the clock watching. When she did get me closer to the edge, I grabbed a new wrapper and said I wanted to finish inside, but she said "nope, sorry, you had plenty of chances for that, already. I'm closed for the night, now. ".

I would actually rank this as my worst first-time SB action, ever, since I keep trying to think of an exception, but I keep failing to find one.

As soon as she had completed her mechanical task, she wished me goodnight, and hurried out, with her cab fare.

I immediately took a shower, and texted SB-thai, who didn't respond until 7 am the next morning, when she apologized profusely for having already fallen asleep by the time I texted.

Of course, by this time, the potential AMPs were long since closed, so I wound up spending my entire day of sexual freedom basically walking my butt off, and getting finished off with a sub-par HJ.

This could have been avoided, if I had specified a 3 hour window. "I'm free from noon to three, so let's have lunch together somewhere nearby, and then we can decide if we have more to talk about, in private. " It would have cut down the endless walking tour, and left me ample time to explore my other options.

Next time, I'm just going to head to the AMPs, for a single day visit. It skips the intimacy, but also the frustration.

[QUOTE=Grumpyinva;3464820]New useful info:

When planning a single day visit out of town, and agreeing to meet a potential SB there, set a specific time limit on how long you'll be available!

My brief vacation, as it occurred in my dreams:

I had a single-day trip planned to an area that I'll be visiting more regularly, so I hit one of the SD sites to find some possible options, and connected with an interesting 40-something SB (SB-cute) who was attractive and AMAZING conversationally, and a 20-something Thai girl (SB-thai) who made it clear that her schedule was open for anytime I'd like to see her (so, yes, she was closer to an escort than a SB, which was less intimacy than I was looking for, but her hotness factor made up for a lot.).

Since SB-cute responded first, and we were already in the middle of an engaging ongoing conversation by the time SB-thai got around to responding initially, I had already planned to see SB-cute in the afternoon, so I let SB-thai dangle with an "I'll let you know when I'm free," and firmed up plans for a lunch date with SB-cute, with the understanding that, if things went well, we could extend the meeting beyond just pleasant conversation at lunch. SB-thai did touch base via sweet text messages over the next few days, reminding me that she'd love to see me anytime during that day, and welcoming me to town, on the day of my arrival, which was a nice touch, given that we didn't have firm plans.

Well, SB-cute showed up on time for our initial meet and greet, and took me to a really good local lunch spot. She looked at least as good as her pics, if not better, was skilled at being easy to talk to, and offered to take me on a walking tour of nearby places. From our discussions, it was pretty clear that, although she was serious about getting into the SB world (and understood that that involved more than lunches and wandering around,) she was very new at it, and was basically making ends meet, after losing her regular job, so I figured it wasn't unreasonable to spend a little while wandering around, with no great rush to the FC.

Unfortunately, hours later, as the sun was starting to set, she continued to artfully dodge suggestions to start heading back. As pleasant as her company was, I couldn't help but notice when she was taking me to some "little hideaway restaurant off the beaten path" that I was literally walking past a well reviewed FS AMP, that I had hoped to try, if the opportunity arose. I looked sadly at the discretely unlabelled entrance, and went on to try out the good (and extremely inexpensive) food at the nearby restaurant, while wondering if I had just wasted my day on a pleasant, but very G-rated walking tour of the city. When leaving from the restaurant, she did discuss which routes would take us both back to our eventual destinations (my hotel for me, and her house for her,) but indicated that she was open to coming along with me, for a while, if I'd like, though she did have to be back home by midnight. I definitely took her up on that, and we headed to the hotel, fairly exhausted, but feeling pretty comfortable.

Unfortunately, as much as she was sweet and cute and willing to give things a go, she was very much a pillow princess, only open to missionary, and, after she got her O from an extended session of enthusiastically encouraged oral, her enthusiasm dimmed "well, I got off, so don't forget that I have to be home soon. " While we were engaged in the main event she started clock watching (literally) then seeming relieved that there was still plenty of time left for the cab, but bringing up how she needed to get her kids tucked in and relieve the babysitter, etc. Rushing is really not something I enjoy, but it got a bit worse a few minutes later, when she suddenly said she had to use the bathroom, disengaged, and ran in to do that. Upon her return, she said she really wanted me to get my turn at getting off, and suggested I lie back, and let her handle things. Sadly, that turned out to mean that she intended to get me off with her hand. And she was not particularly skilled at that. She attempted to get me involved in self-service, but I flatly refused that. She did mix in a little oral action, but, again, her skills were lacking, compared to professionals, and the "intimacy" aspect had been spoiled by the clock watching. When she did get me closer to the edge, I grabbed a new wrapper and said I wanted to finish inside, but she said "nope, sorry, you had plenty of chances for that, already. I'm closed for the night, now. ".

I would actually rank this as my worst first-time SB action, ever, since I keep trying to think of an exception, but I keep failing to find one.

As soon as she had completed her mechanical task, she wished me goodnight, and hurried out, with her cab fare.

I immediately took a shower, and texted SB-thai, who didn't respond until 7 am the next morning, when she apologized profusely for having already fallen asleep by the time I texted.

Of course, by this time, the potential AMPs were long since closed, so I wound up spending my entire day of sexual freedom basically walking my butt off, and getting finished off with a sub-par HJ.

This could have been avoided, if I had specified a 3 hour window. "I'm free from noon to three, so let's have lunch together somewhere nearby, and then we can decide if we have more to talk about, in private. " It would have cut down the endless walking tour, and left me ample time to explore my other options.

Next time, I'm just going to head to the AMPs, for a single day visit. It skips the intimacy, but also the frustration.[/QUOTE]Its best for short term to stick to what you know. A sb is an unknown so you really can't set a time table plus you might end up with a bad experience. Really you can shorten your time table to getting things worked out before your lunch is over with. Most sb's know very shortly after meeting you whether the panties are going to drop or not. Plus you should have some feel as to how things are going. Still you have yhe unknown performance issue also so its probably best to stick to what you know.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3464516]First off, don't jump on my case for supporting GPS girls on Whats Your Price. I have got more college age dates to the FC off of WYP for less than $$ than I have got off of SA. This one new to WYP as of yesterday, Twinlove12, a beautiful blond 23 has Richmond as her location. But she is in Bluefield, WVA starting second semester summer school next week. I called her out on the location and she said she would come to Richmond if I sent her money. I have reported her to WYP so I will see if they make her change location or if she does it herself. I have got my credits refunded before on WYP so they do follow up on reports.[/QUOTE]UPDATE: WYP refunded my credits.

The universal rule always is: she knows within a few seconds if she's really into you or not. Spend enough time to make her comfortable and then make your move. She turns you down that's fine, she just told you you're not one of the selected few. The only answer at this point is "Next! Any girl that gives it up after a lengthy process will leave you very disappointed. If she needs many hours or many dates to feel comfortable enough to drop her panties it's a given that the experience will be average at best, but most likely very meh, like Grumpyinva here. I've lost count of how many girls I've banged 30 minutes after first meeting them.

E.

[QUOTE=Grumpyinva;3464820]New useful info:

When planning a single day visit out of town, and agreeing to meet a potential SB there, set a specific time limit on how long you'll be available!

My brief vacation, as it occurred in my dreams:

I had a single-day trip planned to an area that I'll be visiting more regularly, so I hit one of the SD sites to find some possible options, and connected with an interesting 40-something SB (SB-cute) who was attractive and AMAZING conversationally, and a 20-something Thai girl (SB-thai) who made it clear that her schedule was open for anytime I'd like to see her (so, yes, she was closer to an escort than a SB, which was less intimacy than I was looking for, but her hotness factor made up for a lot.).

......

Next time, I'm just going to head to the AMPs, for a single day visit. It skips the intimacy, but also the frustration.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3465557]The universal rule always is: she knows within a few seconds if she's really into you or not. Spend enough time to make her comfortable and then make your move. She turns you down that's fine, she just told you you're not one of the selected few. The only answer at this point is "Next! Any girl that gives it up after a lengthy process will leave you very disappointed. If she needs many hours or many dates to feel comfortable enough to drop her panties it's a given that the experience will be average at best, but most likely very meh, like Grumpyinva here. I've lost count of how many girls I've banged 30 minutes after first meeting them.

E.[/QUOTE]I wholeheartedly agree with you and Mr. Hancock! I let her good text-game get the better of me, and, frankly, I didn't expect a mature SB would take up the whole damned day, instead of just moving back to the FC, a few blocks away.

I think this applies to both SBs and civilians, BTW. The longer the wait, the less the great!

Hey fellas, I am learning the SA ropes. I have reviewed the post with links to tons of tips. A few things I am not clear on:

1-Do you recommend being up front about being married in the profile?

2-How about the net worth and income fields?

3-In the "what you're looking for" section, are you broad / vague to cast a wide net or very specific? I pretty much would like NSA private meetups. I am really not comfortable galavanting around town on a date with some 20 year old. So discreet private time only. Is this too blatantly saying 'Hi I'm just looking for hookups!

4-Have you ever tried filling out the profile with ridiculous and obviously exaggerated info? I. e. Billionaire globalist hedge fund manager and international man of intrigue.

I guess there's no one right answer. I am curious about how others handle these things.

Thanks for any feedback. USASG is the bomb!

The advantage of online "dating" is that you can be direct about who you are and what you want with the opportunity to advertise to 100's (if not 1,000's) with the hope to find people that likes you for you and what you are looking for.

If anything, I would play down my income, wealth, etc so as not to set unrealistic expectations.

As far as how direct you are with what you are looking for, it's much like fishing. Set your bait for the fish you hope to catch. If you are clear you are looking for pay for play hook-ups, you will most likely attract a lot of escorts and UTR's and scare other more reluctant "girl next door" and college co-ed types away. Escorts are easy to find on other sites and SA may not be the best place to look for them. They tend to increase their rates significantly on SA hoping to find a "big fish".

Others have spoken about how it's not a good idea to treat SA like Back page. It tends to attract more escorts to the site, chase reluctant SBs away and risk that SA receives the same legal scrutiny that Back page has come under.

Best of luck on your search.

[QUOTE=NeedyUnchin;3466988]Hey fellas, I am learning the SA ropes. I have reviewed the post with links to tons of tips. A few things I am not clear on:

1-Do you recommend being up front about being married in the profile?

2-How about the net worth and income fields?

3-In the "what you're looking for" section, are you broad / vague to cast a wide net or very specific? I pretty much would like NSA private meetups. I am really not comfortable galavanting around town on a date with some 20 year old. So discreet private time only. Is this too blatantly saying 'Hi I'm just looking for hookups!

4-Have you ever tried filling out the profile with ridiculous and obviously exaggerated info? I. e. Billionaire globalist hedge fund manager and international man of intrigue.

I guess there's no one right answer. I am curious about how others handle these things.

Thanks for any feedback. USASG is the bomb![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NeedyUnchin;3466988]Hey fellas, I am learning the SA ropes. I have reviewed the post with links to tons of tips. A few things I am not clear on:

1-Do you recommend being up front about being married in the profile?

2-How about the net worth and income fields?

3-In the "what you're looking for" section, are you broad / vague to cast a wide net or very specific? I pretty much would like NSA private meetups. I am really not comfortable galavanting around town on a date with some 20 year old. So discreet private time only. Is this too blatantly saying 'Hi I'm just looking for hookups!

4-Have you ever tried filling out the profile with ridiculous and obviously exaggerated info? I. e. Billionaire globalist hedge fund manager and international man of intrigue.

I guess there's no one right answer. I am curious about how others handle these things.

Thanks for any feedback. USASG is the bomb![/QUOTE]Your going to get various answers but here's my thoughts.

1 being truthful about married status won't hurt you. Mist girls are looking for NSA and help. The amount you can help determine your outcome. (2) your net worth and income is hardly ever an issue as long as you can provide what ever arrangement you decide on. A few will look at that and call you out on it. If your listing over 100 k in income and your trying to haggle over 100 dollars in price difference the smart ones know your fake. (3) if your looking for just a hook up stick with your pros and utr. There is plenty of those on the site. You can be frank in your profile as to what your looking for but don't be vulgar. Show some class. Again plenty on the site that does hook ups. (4) That idea is pretty stupid because when your balking at 1000 dollar request which shouldn't be a big deal to that money bags again they can see your fake. Depending on what your looking for to a lot of these girls its about the $$.