Thank you for the advice guys. I'm just not use to the different pricing. I mean I don't want the girl to be unsatisfied however I don't want to raise the market rate. We try to pay attention to that in LA.
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Thank you for the advice guys. I'm just not use to the different pricing. I mean I don't want the girl to be unsatisfied however I don't want to raise the market rate. We try to pay attention to that in LA.
That's why if any provider asks for the $ upfront, that's usually where I make a choice, do I stay or do I leave...99.5% of the time, if they ask for it early, the service won't be what you want and you'll end up getting fucked. You always have the option of saying no, I'll pay you after and if they don't wanna do it that way, then tell them to leave, bring another girl, or you leave and get your house fee back.
The only time I will pay upfront is if I had already negotiated for the service before (some of the girls will do that over the phone; a true test of faith and acknowledgment that they are not LE) and I get what I asked for when I'm there.
Anyone who thinks I'm off-base, I would guess that you are paying the prices the providers want and are the ones who will drive up the prices and set the bar for providers. If anyone out there wonder why girls charge what they charge, you should ask the ones who are paying these high prices.
Think with the big head, braddahs! It will always keep you out of trouble
CD35
[QUOTE=Zodar]Thank you for the advice guys. I'm just not use to the different pricing. I mean I don't want the girl to be unsatisfied however I don't want to raise the market rate. We try to pay attention to that in LA.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Comp Dude 35]That's why if any provider asks for the $ upfront, that's usually where I make a choice, do I stay or do I leave...99.5% of the time, if they ask for it early, the service won't be what you want and you'll end up getting fucked. You always have the option of saying no, I'll pay you after and if they don't wanna do it that way, then tell them to leave, bring another girl, or you leave and get your house fee back.
The only time I will pay upfront is if I had already negotiated for the service before (some of the girls will do that over the phone; a true test of faith and acknowledgment that they are not LE) and I get what I asked for when I'm there.
Anyone who thinks I'm off-base, I would guess that you are paying the prices the providers want and are the ones who will drive up the prices and set the bar for providers. If anyone out there wonder why girls charge what they charge, you should ask the ones who are paying these high prices.
Think with the big head, braddahs! It will always keep you out of trouble
CD35[/QUOTE]
Of all my years going to AMPS, I don't recall or remember a time where a provider has asked me for the $ upfront. Maybe there was but, I forgot. It is a big turnoff if they do ask for the $ upfront. I feel that if she gets the money upfront, there's no reason why she needs to put the effort to please you. Whether she does or doesn't she got the $ already. Another turnoff to is if a provider counts the $. It's like she thinks you short tip her or she don't trust you.
No feel bad about having to tip her this much or that much. Fukum. Whether it's an AMP, KB, MT or whatever, they will get comfortable that they will then expect that much already. Let's say you are comfortable with just paying $ but, because other mongers tipping them extra, she feels that your $ is not enough. Then she'll say: "other guys gave me more than you. Why don't you?"
Another prime example is at a KB. If guys are willing to blow alot on a girl, she gets comfortable with it that if you expect to get P4P on a budget, she will most likely not bother to put out. She knows that she gotten $$$ from other guys. She feels:
"Why should I put out for this guy? I gotten others to buy me choke drinks and did not need to play. Alright, you want play, I'll suck you for even more drinks" When other mongers spend more on her, she feels that she can get more from you because she has gotten more from others.
[QUOTE=Uki Eater]Of all my years going to AMPS, I don't recall or remember a time where a provider has asked me for the $ upfront. Maybe there was but, I forgot. It is a big turnoff if they do ask for the $ upfront. I feel that if she gets the money upfront, there's no reason why she needs to put the effort to please you. Whether she does or doesn't she got the $ already. Another turnoff to is if a provider counts the $. It's like she thinks you short tip her or she don't trust you.
No feel bad about having to tip her this much or that much. Fukum. Whether it's an AMP, KB, MT or whatever, they will get comfortable that they will then expect that much already. Let's say you are comfortable with just paying $ but, because other mongers tipping them extra, she feels that your $ is not enough. Then she'll say: "other guys gave me more than you. Why don't you?"
Another prime example is at a KB. If guys are willing to blow alot on a girl, she gets comfortable with it that if you expect to get P4P on a budget, she will most likely not bother to put out. She knows that she gotten $$$ from other guys. She feels:
"Why should I put out for this guy? I gotten others to buy me choke drinks and did not need to play. Alright, you want play, I'll suck you for even more drinks" When other mongers spend more on her, she feels that she can get more from you because she has gotten more from others.[/QUOTE]
Only time I was ever asked upfront was at a Korean AMP in Atlanta that was highly rated. The rates there were typically higher than Hawaii and based upon the feedback I was intrigued. The prices were house .5 and $$$ for tip. The line-up was so so and so was the service. I should have known better.
The only other time fees were negotiated upfront was in a SF AMP that had a really cute Viet girl. I got questionable service these too.
All this brought up some of my less memorable moments in mongering.
[QUOTE=Uki Eater]Of all my years going to AMPS, I don't recall or remember a time where a provider has asked me for the $ upfront. Maybe there was but, I forgot. It is a big turnoff if they do ask for the $ upfront. I feel that if she gets the money upfront, there's no reason why she needs to put the effort to please you. Whether she does or doesn't she got the $ already. Another turnoff to is if a provider counts the $. It's like she thinks you short tip her or she don't trust you.
No feel bad about having to tip her this much or that much. Fukum. Whether it's an AMP, KB, MT or whatever, they will get comfortable that they will then expect that much already. Let's say you are comfortable with just paying $ but, because other mongers tipping them extra, she feels that your $ is not enough. Then she'll say: "other guys gave me more than you. Why don't you?"
Another prime example is at a KB. If guys are willing to blow alot on a girl, she gets comfortable with it that if you expect to get P4P on a budget, she will most likely not bother to put out. She knows that she gotten $$$ from other guys. She feels:
"Why should I put out for this guy? I gotten others to buy me choke drinks and did not need to play. Alright, you want play, I'll suck you for even more drinks" When other mongers spend more on her, she feels that she can get more from you because she has gotten more from others.[/QUOTE]
I agree. As far as I can remember I never had to pay up front. But then I have a nice personality and always treated the girls with respect. Only when I took a friend with me once did he screw me over. He tried to have his way with the girl and he made her cry. I was interypted. And was told what happen. And to never bring Jim there ever again.
For me I had a really good relationship with the girls I saw. I always try to see the same girl. And I guess it was good for me. Since was able to see them at there apt and screw them there. Was able to get bbbj,bbfscim,bbfscip,bbfscia. And I did not have to pay extra for anything. Most of the time. If I like the girl I will start to set up 2hr session with the girls so that I can take my time with the girls. One time I was able to bang an amp girl 4xs but paid for only the 2hrs w/.50 tip.
The bottom line is treat the girl nice. And she will treat you the same way. Go in drunk and expect to be treated like the plague. Amp girls don't like drunk guys. They take way too long and treat them like shit....but this is just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=Warrior12]Only time I was ever asked upfront was at a Korean AMP in Atlanta that was highly rated. The rates there were typically higher than Hawaii and based upon the feedback I was intrigued. The prices were house .5 and $$$ for tip. The line-up was so so and so was the service. I should have known better.
The only other time fees were negotiated upfront was in a SF AMP that had a really cute Viet girl. I got questionable service these too.
All this brought up some of my less memorable moments in mongering.[/QUOTE]
When I was in SF once, had the girl ask me for money up front. Had already made some small talk and she knew I was from Hawaii. When I asked how much, she replied, "Same as Hawaii." My response was, "Then same as Hawaii, you get the money after." She agreed and we went about our business.
Remember ladies, a little bit of something is better than a 'ton' of nothing!
Queen st area especially diamond head of ward is a sketchy place to be after dark. And any where on Queen st there is no parking. do you really want your car to be seen in a stall marked reserved for perfect 10.
[QUOTE=Oldman67]They will move to Queen street. Still fixing it up I heard it's real nice 2 stories.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tsunami69]Remember ladies, a little bit of something is better than a 'ton' of nothing![/QUOTE]
Couldn't have said it any better.
That's what I think also. I mean BG, MT and AMP chicks all say: "It's been slow"
Of course it's slow! It's obvious the economy is bad and it's not like people out there are getting richer by the day. It's not like we don't want to go but, times are hard. It's true that you women can say it's hard for you also but, you have to make adjustments to attract the customers. Look at a retail store, if a store is slow, they want to attract customers to buy by having weekly sales, reduced prices etc. Make an incentive to entice a customer to buy the goods. Now, if AMP, MT, Hostess Bars apply the same principle than, maybe it would help benefit your business as well.
Women may demand a set price these days but, how has business been for you? Is it super busy? I think not! A little bit of something is better than a ton of nothing is right. You may get less, however, a person would be motivated to visit her more often though. Hmm.. maybe some of you woman don't want to have it too busy but, most of you women out there aren't busy anyways. Only on very few occasions.
If you feel you deserve the full amount then:
1. Don't Rush
Don't rush us into finishing. This is like my biggest turnoff for me. I don't cum easily. If I hear you saying: "Cum baby cum!" It kills my mood. I am no longer aroused and you're making it even harder for me to finish. Some of you get even mad about it. You complain that your mouth is getting sore or arm is getting sore. Geez, others are able to tolerate it and not complain. A small price to pay considering soo much $$ in a short period of time.
2. Don't ask $ upfront
This is a big turnoff for anyone. We feel once you got the $, you could care less about giving good service. Why? Because you already have the $ So, it doesn't matter to you. Good service or not good service, you already got your $. Now, I understand why some of you want $ upfront. A person may have short tipped or ran out without paying. But, you will get those once in a while but, it's not often. It's the same as when you work at a store. You will always come across a customer who will give you a hard time.
3. Be nice
Most women at an AMP is nice. Some women have different personalities than others. But, I know on occasions one of you get moody and get bitchy with us. Maybe we caught you on a bad day or you just woke up. But, you have to remember, We're going to blow $$ in an hour or less. Any person would feel upset if he's getting attitude by a provider. However, some mongers out there can be a bit too rough and not be polite themselves. But, if he's a gentleman, there's no reason to give him attitude.
4. Give it your best.
Yes, aim to please us. Why? because we blowing $$ in 1 hour that's why! Don't you women think it's alot of money to spend in 1 hour also? I know you agree also. Now, not all women will be all that young or that pretty. Therefore, you need to find a way of your own in pleasing a customer that will motivate him to come back. if you are older and not that attractive then, that alone is hurting your chances. But, if you give good service, your friendly etc., It makes up for it.
5. Learn from other providers.
That's right. I know some of you girls don't get as much business as other providers. You have to ask yourself: "Why? What is she doing that is attracting all the guys to go to her and not me?" Well, she must be doing something that you're not doing or refuse to do. Maybe you rush to fast? Ask money upfront? Don't try your best to please? Complain about certain position etc.? Don't give a TS? I'm sure it's one of these if not several.
The bottom line is that if you don't like what you're doing, not proud of what your doing, then don't do this! Find another type of work. But, if you are to continue doing this, you might as well make the most of it.
As far as the mongers out there, I know we feel sick that we don't get our moneys worth, service wasn't all that great etc. But, you also need to play your part by being nice to them, tipping them reasonably, don't be a punk. I myself am a gentleman to all the bars I go to. AMP, MT, KB. I don't look down on these women as just ****** to bang. Or sluts who suck your money etc. If you have this mentality, no go to those places. Go find one FTF to bang for free! Some of you would based on a bad personal experiences. Don't let these places/woman get to your senses, it shouldn't. We go there to have fun, get play, release etc etc. and go home. If you do take them seriously, sorry but you're weak minded and the punani is your kryptonite.
Has it always been this way (supposedly)? The only two times that I've been to an AMP (over 10 yrs ago), everything was negotiated upfront before you even go in to the room. Don't recall if kala was exchanged before or afterwards but I would think before. The rates back then were $50 (house) + 1. 5 (wahine). Sorry if I set the price precedent for you guys.: (Having said that, those two experiences were top notch (A and B+) in my book.
There are other places outside of AMP where I believe it is definitely best to negotiate upfront.
I do agree this approach seems better.
I was young(er) back then, so maybe they thought I'd skip out on them.
[QUOTE=Uki Eater]Couldn't have said it any better.
That's what I think also. I mean BG, MT and AMP chicks all say: "It's been slow"
Of course it's slow! It's obvious the economy is bad and it's not like people out there are getting richer by the day. It's not like we don't want to go but, times are hard. It's true that you women can say it's hard for you also but, you have to make adjustments to attract the customers. Look at a retail store, if a store is slow, they want to attract customers to buy by having weekly sales, reduced prices etc. Make an incentive to entice a customer to buy the goods. Now, if AMP, MT, Hostess Bars apply the same principle than, maybe it would help benefit your business as well.
Women may demand a set price these days but, how has business been for you? Is it super busy? I think not! A little bit of something is better than a ton of nothing is right. You may get less, however, a person would be motivated to visit her more often though. Hmm.. maybe some of you woman don't want to have it too busy but, most of you women out there aren't busy anyways. Only on very few occasions.
If you feel you deserve the full amount then:
1. Don't Rush
Don't rush us into finishing. This is like my biggest turnoff for me. I don't cum easily. If I hear you saying: "Cum baby cum!" It kills my mood. I am no longer aroused and you're making it even harder for me to finish. Some of you get even mad about it. You complain that your mouth is getting sore or arm is getting sore. Geez, others are able to tolerate it and not complain. A small price to pay considering soo much $$ in a short period of time.
2. Don't ask $ upfront
This is a big turnoff for anyone. We feel once you got the $, you could care less about giving good service. Why? Because you already have the $ So, it doesn't matter to you. Good service or not good service, you already got your $. Now, I understand why some of you want $ upfront. A person may have short tipped or ran out without paying. But, you will get those once in a while but, it's not often. It's the same as when you work at a store. You will always come across a customer who will give you a hard time.
3. Be nice
Most women at an AMP is nice. Some women have different personalities than others. But, I know on occasions one of you get moody and get bitchy with us. Maybe we caught you on a bad day or you just woke up. But, you have to remember, We're going to blow $$ in an hour or less. Any person would feel upset if he's getting attitude by a provider. However, some mongers out there can be a bit too rough and not be polite themselves. But, if he's a gentleman, there's no reason to give him attitude.
4. Give it your best.
Yes, aim to please us. Why? because we blowing $$ in 1 hour that's why! Don't you women think it's alot of money to spend in 1 hour also? I know you agree also. Now, not all women will be all that young or that pretty. Therefore, you need to find a way of your own in pleasing a customer that will motivate him to come back. if you are older and not that attractive then, that alone is hurting your chances. But, if you give good service, your friendly etc., It makes up for it.
5. Learn from other providers.
That's right. I know some of you girls don't get as much business as other providers. You have to ask yourself: "Why? What is she doing that is attracting all the guys to go to her and not me?" Well, she must be doing something that you're not doing or refuse to do. Maybe you rush to fast? Ask money upfront? Don't try your best to please? Complain about certain position etc.? Don't give a TS? I'm sure it's one of these if not several.
The bottom line is that if you don't like what you're doing, not proud of what your doing, then don't do this! Find another type of work. But, if you are to continue doing this, you might as well make the most of it.
As far as the mongers out there, I know we feel sick that we don't get our moneys worth, service wasn't all that great etc. But, you also need to play your part by being nice to them, tipping them reasonably, don't be a punk. I myself am a gentleman to all the bars I go to. AMP, MT, KB. I don't look down on these women as just ****** to bang. Or sluts who suck your money etc. If you have this mentality, no go to those places. Go find one FTF to bang for free! Some of you would based on a bad personal experiences. Don't let these places/woman get to your senses, it shouldn't. We go there to have fun, get play, release etc etc. and go home. If you do take them seriously, sorry but you're weak minded and the punani is your kryptonite.[/QUOTE]
What are the providers and bar hostesses complaining about? It's the economy. How many of you mongers make $.5 an hour? I don't. How many make $ an hour? I don't. We pay them for a service. Whether it's sex or just companionship. Most of us went to school to become what we do. Is there an amp or kb school to train them to be sex providers or hostesses? That's why I don't spend as much now. If there no amps or kbs, I would be rich right now. I don't regret anything I did, but trying to become more smart in the future.
Bottom line is quality in everything is not there anymore. If the quality was there I'm sure most of us and more would find a way to participate these activites. Think about it, how many people's ATFs are currently working? I think its about 5 at the most. I remember when we would hear about a new ATF pratically every week. But then for the past couple years there have been reports after reports after reports on ROBs. Girls have gotten more arrogant thinking there looks are enough. No one wants to take a chance on that crap anymore. Before consideration in the prices were not necessary because we pretty much would always walk away with at the very least a decent service. This could just be me but when I go to eat, I know what price I'll be paying but if I feel the food really wasn't worth it, I'm talking to the manager and getting something out of it.
[QUOTE=Mogo Master]What are the providers and bar hostesses complaining about? It's the economy. How many of you mongers make $50 an hour? I don't. How many make $ an hour? I don't. We pay them for a service. Whether it's sex or just companionship. Most of us went to school to become what we do. Is there an AMP or kb school to train them to be sex providers or hostesses? That's why I don't spend as much now. If there no AMPs or kbs, I would be rich right now. I don't regret anything I did, but trying to become more smart in the future.[/QUOTE]Yea times had change so much When you buy them 1 drink and they ask for another, you say no they call you "CHEAP CHARLIE" I actually told a KB girl. And she complaine its because she is working thats why she push. I told her "I AM PAYING you are only sitting down" SOme girls realize it and some don't. I guess in the past it was so easy to get customer buy drinks.
Even last night at Clique. Wow it was pack cause they had a TICKET party. heheheheheehe The house was busy only all the girls were slow.
Bottom line some KB girls push so hard. Even Olivia from MOON FLOWER. She never push but now she push bigtimes.
I'd like to add one other thing to what Uki Eater said. If the provider thinks she deserves the full price, then she should seriously consider staying in shape. Especially if she is not that young anymore. I see providers that still have okay faces but have somewhat let their bods go. If they want guys to be turned on and excited by seeing them once they take their clothes off, then how much trouble is it to develop a small discipline in life and go out and get enough exercise to stay looking good? It's an essential part of remaining profitable in this business and it really surprises me that some of these woman don't appear to realize this fact. I mean, all they really need to do is just go out and take a fast long walk around town each day! Do something to stay fit; it's truly going to have a positive effect on how many of us mongers are gonna be wanting to partake of the woman's charms and spend the cash on them the next time.
Uki and Cosmic have some good points. I am oft tired at work and some days am just not in a good mood, but can't and don't take it out on my clients. I have a few clients that I don't particularly care for but, hey they pay and they get my 100% undivided attention. While the ones I like may get a more friendly and outgoing version of me, I assure you the ones I don't like get great service as well. If I dislike someone that much I let them go, but I never short change them.
Good point on the staying in shape subject. I would say a good analogy is if I pay $200 per hour to rent a car, it better be a shiny Rolls Royce or Bentley. If I am renting a dirty old beat up Corolla (no offense to any mongers who drive a Toyota) I expect to pay significantly less. I stay on top of my profession by studying, reading and generally keeping abreast of any new information available.
Ladies, and I say ladies because I know you read this forum, bottom line is customer service is the name of your game. A general rule of thumb in customer service is that every happy customer tells 2-3 people. Every disgruntled customer tells 20-30 people. Stay friendly and stay in shape, stay atop your chosen profession! Do you have to be Miss Fitness USA, no but let's not be looking like someone let 2 pigs loose in your skirt and they are now fighting to get out!