"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JackCat58;3459666]No review but last time I messaged with her she wanted 500 per.[/QUOTE]Brand new to the Sugar Bowl. I needed a break from life so I'm trying SA out for a month. All I can say is the prices in my home bowl, Chicago, are quoting much higher than Richmond, naturally, with my lousy luck. A lot of women are asking for 300-500 per date. Note these are mainly white women 21-50 thin or athletic build. I'm not sure why there's a range- maybe it's for more time? I'm also not sure how many of these gals have come up with that exact range. Is there a Sugar Baby forum by region where they talk to each other and set a universal price? I mean there are 40 year olds asking for 500 and they can't host, I'm like really? I'm not gifting 500 for a 25 yr old much less a 40 yr old. I'm middle aged but in good shape from working out a lot- not rich though. I was hoping my decent in shape looks might give me a slight discount to the market.

I'm still trying different approaches in my intro emails. Right now I try and bring something up in their profile and then with a follow up email asking how much allowance they had in mind. Then if we're in the same ballpark we can meet for coffee and see if there's a connection. Not sure if that's the best approach. Some still haven't responded which surprised me since there are supposed to be more women than men on these sites. Some of these women are so ridiculous with their expectations I'm glad I brought up the allowance topic ahead of time. Some wanted 700,1,000 per date minimums. The meet and greet coffee would have been a waste of time and money with them.

Any advice on negotiating some of them down to a reasonable level is appreciated. So far I've been saying I can do X amount. I haven't been going back and forth like a fantasy football trade proposal. The other thing is the ones that do agree on a gift allowance haven't gotten back to me in like 5-6 days. I'm guessing they're sifting through their offers and seeing the guys with the higher ones first? I don't want to email them constantly. That looks desperate and I'm not. How do you guys handle those situations too?

Any help appreciated. Love reading these posts especially the index. It's incredibly helpful.

There has been much discussion on this topic. I suggest you start with the index for this thread and find topics related to this.

([URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]).

If you are in shape, respectful, have some game, learn how to negotiate and don't mind being rejected 80% of the time, you can easily find hot college coeds for $$ or less in Chicago. I travel there often and have had great success.

[QUOTE=Kellster;3460968]Brand new to the Sugar Bowl. I needed a break from life so I'm trying SA out for a month. All I can say is the prices in my home bowl, Chicago, are quoting much higher than Richmond, naturally, with my lousy luck. A lot of women are asking for 300-500 per date. Note these are mainly white women 21-50 thin or athletic build. I'm not sure why there's a range- maybe it's for more time? I'm also not sure how many of these gals have come up with that exact range. Is there a Sugar Baby forum by region where they talk to each other and set a universal price? I mean there are 40 year olds asking for 500 and they can't host, I'm like really? I'm not gifting 500 for a 25 yr old much less a 40 yr old. I'm middle aged but in good shape from working out a lot- not rich though. I was hoping my decent in shape looks might give me a slight discount to the market.

I'm still trying different approaches in my intro emails. Right now I try and bring something up in their profile and then with a follow up email asking how much allowance they had in mind. Then if we're in the same ballpark we can meet for coffee and see if there's a connection. Not sure if that's the best approach. Some still haven't responded which surprised me since there are supposed to be more women than men on these sites. Some of these women are so ridiculous with their expectations I'm glad I brought up the allowance topic ahead of time. Some wanted 700,1,000 per date minimums. The meet and greet coffee would have been a waste of time and money with them.

Any advice on negotiating some of them down to a reasonable level is appreciated. So far I've been saying I can do X amount. I haven't been going back and forth like a fantasy football trade proposal. The other thing is the ones that do agree on a gift allowance haven't gotten back to me in like 5-6 days. I'm guessing they're sifting through their offers and seeing the guys with the higher ones first? I don't want to email them constantly. That looks desperate and I'm not. How do you guys handle those situations too?

Any help appreciated. Love reading these posts especially the index. It's incredibly helpful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kellster;3460968]Brand new to the Sugar Bowl. I needed a break from life so I'm trying SA out for a month. All I can say is the prices in my home bowl, Chicago, are quoting much higher than Richmond, naturally, with my lousy luck. A lot of women are asking for 300-500 per date. Note these are mainly white women 21-50 thin or athletic build. I'm not sure why there's a range- maybe it's for more time? I'm also not sure how many of these gals have come up with that exact range. Is there a Sugar Baby forum by region where they talk to each other and set a universal price? I mean there are 40 year olds asking for 500 and they can't host, I'm like really? I'm not gifting 500 for a 25 yr old much less a 40 yr old. I'm middle aged but in good shape from working out a lot- not rich though. I was hoping my decent in shape looks might give me a slight discount to the market.

I'm still trying different approaches in my intro emails. Right now I try and bring something up in their profile and then with a follow up email asking how much allowance they had in mind. Then if we're in the same ballpark we can meet for coffee and see if there's a connection. Not sure if that's the best approach. Some still haven't responded which surprised me since there are supposed to be more women than men on these sites. Some of these women are so ridiculous with their expectations I'm glad I brought up the allowance topic ahead of time. Some wanted 700,1,000 per date minimums. The meet and greet coffee would have been a waste of time and money with them.

Any advice on negotiating some of them down to a reasonable level is appreciated. So far I've been saying I can do X amount. I haven't been going back and forth like a fantasy football trade proposal. The other thing is the ones that do agree on a gift allowance haven't gotten back to me in like 5-6 days. I'm guessing they're sifting through their offers and seeing the guys with the higher ones first? I don't want to email them constantly. That looks desperate and I'm not. How do you guys handle those situations too?

Any help appreciated. Love reading these posts especially the index. It's incredibly helpful.[/QUOTE]Everyone has a self worth and I have no problem with it. Lots of mongers call it GPS but fir me its just guys who get mad because a girl won't fuck them for what the guy wants to pay. If its more than what I want to pay I move on and thank them for their time with no hard feelings. Remember its a mutual beneficial arrangement. They can fuck anyone they want for free so being in shape isn't much of a price reduction for most. Personality goes much further with the game along with the arrangement. If they seek an arrangement beyond my means then I let them know that. Now most will then begin a negotiation. That is entirely their move not me asking. If they don't ask about negotiating I just thank them and move to next.

[QUOTE=Kellster;3460968]Brand new to the Sugar Bowl. I needed a break from life so I'm trying SA out for a month. All I can say is the prices in my home bowl, Chicago, are quoting much higher than Richmond, naturally, with my lousy luck. A lot of women are asking for 300-500 per date. Note these are mainly white women 21-50 thin or athletic build. I'm not sure why there's a range- maybe it's for more time? I'm also not sure how many of these gals have come up with that exact range. Is there a Sugar Baby forum by region where they talk to each other and set a universal price? I mean there are 40 year olds asking for 500 and they can't host, I'm like really? I'm not gifting 500 for a 25 yr old much less a 40 yr old. I'm middle aged but in good shape from working out a lot- not rich though. I was hoping my decent in shape looks might give me a slight discount to the market.

I'm still trying different approaches in my intro emails. Right now I try and bring something up in their profile and then with a follow up email asking how much allowance they had in mind. Then if we're in the same ballpark we can meet for coffee and see if there's a connection. Not sure if that's the best approach. Some still haven't responded which surprised me since there are supposed to be more women than men on these sites. Some of these women are so ridiculous with their expectations I'm glad I brought up the allowance topic ahead of time. Some wanted 700,1,000 per date minimums. The meet and greet coffee would have been a waste of time and money with them.

Any advice on negotiating some of them down to a reasonable level is appreciated. So far I've been saying I can do X amount. I haven't been going back and forth like a fantasy football trade proposal. The other thing is the ones that do agree on a gift allowance haven't gotten back to me in like 5-6 days. I'm guessing they're sifting through their offers and seeing the guys with the higher ones first? I don't want to email them constantly. That looks desperate and I'm not. How do you guys handle those situations too?

Any help appreciated. Love reading these posts especially the index. It's incredibly helpful.[/QUOTE]I never understand why guys say the "standard" request is "300-500" as if the girls get together and set prices like the AMP ladies. I get quoted all over the place and generally do 200. Granted, I don't like white girls so that might be part of the disparity. I'm based in Hawaii so white girls bring a premium. I guess since Asians men are more abundant here and like me, tend to want something new (race wise) white girls know they can command a higher amount.

I think that is a good strategy and I usually do the same. If a girl is asking for more than I can afford, I politely let them know that is more than my budget and wish them well. Surprisingly many are willing to be negotiable.

I differ slightly in that I've found girls too focused on dollars tend not to be as fun in bed. Especially the "I know my worth" crowd. I enjoy time in the FC much better if they do too. I usually get a vibe by how focused they are on just the allowance.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3461339]Everyone has a self worth and I have no problem with it. Lots of mongers call it GPS but fir me its just guys who get mad because a girl won't fuck them for what the guy wants to pay. If its more than what I want to pay I move on and thank them for their time with no hard feelings. Remember its a mutual beneficial arrangement. They can fuck anyone they want for free so being in shape isn't much of a price reduction for most. Personality goes much further with the game along with the arrangement. If they seek an arrangement beyond my means then I let them know that. Now most will then begin a negotiation. That is entirely their move not me asking. If they don't ask about negotiating I just thank them and move to next.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SugaFoot;3461757]I never understand why guys say the "standard" request is "300-500" as if the girls get together and set prices like the AMP ladies. I get quoted all over the place and generally do 200. Granted, I don't like white girls so that might be part of the disparity. I'm based in Hawaii so white girls bring a premium. I guess since Asians men are more abundant here and like me, tend to want something new (race wise) white girls know they can command a higher amount.[/QUOTE]It's pretty easy to understand- that's what they're requesting when I ask them haha! Much to my surprise- they haven't been all over the map. I mean you'd think one gal would say 240, 270, 350, etc. Like I said earlier even the older ones are asking for that. It doesn't mean that's what they're getting- just what they're requesting- if we make a connection.

I'm also in the Chicago bowl so here's a few of my insights:

- Not sure if you meant city of Chicago literally or the Chicago area, but if your schedule and lifestyle allow it, expand the geography of your search. Yes, its a higher priced market, but like any giant city there are lots of sub-markets. Move out from the Gold Coast / North Side / North Shore and I pretty much guarantee that no girls are getting these outlandish allowances.

- Feel out their needs from an arrangement a little before you get right to discussing numbers. If they talk about everyday bills (phone, insurance, etc.), help with kids, paying for school, etc, they're much more likely to negotiate a realistic allowance. If they're already comfortable. Have a place, car, most day-to-day needs covered, upscale social circle, the chances are higher they're trolling for a fantasy of being pampered and spoiled.

- Obviously generic advice, but back off on your standards a little. Chances are a lot of the 10's and 9's you're chasing based on their pics don't hold up to that rating in person anyway, and their BCD performance might not be worth the premium they think they can ask for based on their looks.

- Finally, although it risks more of your time, try deferring direct talk about allowance until a meet-and-greet. You may still get high opening offers, but don't underestimate the power of a good impression in person. When they see you're real and if there's any kind of chemistry, their willingness to negotiate will increase dramatically. And if you can't get an agreement at the end of the m&g, be nice! Thank them for their time, say it was nice meeting them, wish them luck, make sure they have a safe way home. After they spend another few days wading through an inbox of crude proposals, arrogant jerks, and flat-out fakes, you might be surprised how they'll come back to a real person they've met, this time more willing to work with the terms that are better for you.

Anyway, I've been surprised at some quick successes in my short sting in the Chicago bowl. I'm playing the burbs & haven't been shooting for the top of the heap, but I've had a couple of great meetups already with cute young girls much cleaner than what's on the BP scene and haven't paid over 3.

[QUOTE=Kellster;3460968]Brand new to the Sugar Bowl. I needed a break from life so I'm trying SA out for a month. All I can say is the prices in my home bowl, Chicago, are quoting much higher than Richmond, naturally, with my lousy luck. A lot of women are asking for 300-500 per date. Note these are mainly white women 21-50 thin or athletic build. I'm not sure why there's a range- maybe it's for more time? I'm also not sure how many of these gals have come up with that exact range. Is there a Sugar Baby forum by region where they talk to each other and set a universal price? I mean there are 40 year olds asking for 500 and they can't host, I'm like really? I'm not gifting 500 for a 25 yr old much less a 40 yr old. I'm middle aged but in good shape from working out a lot- not rich though. I was hoping my decent in shape looks might give me a slight discount to the market.

I'm still trying different approaches in my intro emails. Right now I try and bring something up in their profile and then with a follow up email asking how much allowance they had in mind. Then if we're in the same ballpark we can meet for coffee and see if there's a connection. Not sure if that's the best approach. Some still haven't responded which surprised me since there are supposed to be more women than men on these sites. Some of these women are so ridiculous with their expectations I'm glad I brought up the allowance topic ahead of time. Some wanted 700,1,000 per date minimums. The meet and greet coffee would have been a waste of time and money with them.

Any advice on negotiating some of them down to a reasonable level is appreciated. So far I've been saying I can do X amount. I haven't been going back and forth like a fantasy football trade proposal. The other thing is the ones that do agree on a gift allowance haven't gotten back to me in like 5-6 days. I'm guessing they're sifting through their offers and seeing the guys with the higher ones first? I don't want to email them constantly. That looks desperate and I'm not. How do you guys handle those situations too?

Any help appreciated. Love reading these posts especially the index. It's incredibly helpful.[/QUOTE]

One confusing thing when you start out is to think that every girl on the site is actually interested in an arrangement. They're on site so you'd think their priority is finding a SD for them but it's far from always being the case. In my area I would say close to 50% of slim / athletic girls are doing it out of boredom, to see "what's out there", and to boost their ego (ohhhh, so many men want me! They have no real intention of going through with it and even a meet & greet is a small miracle with this crowd. You can spot them by being on the site for months, being on there every single day, and never having met someone let alone had an arrangement. Their expectations are also always ridiculous. Be aware they're on there and be quick to cut your losses and not waste your time.

E.

[QUOTE=Kellster;3460968]Brand new to the Sugar Bowl. I needed a break from life so I'm trying SA out for a month. All I can say is the prices in my home bowl, Chicago, are quoting much higher than Richmond, naturally, with my lousy luck. A lot of women are asking for 300-500 per date. Note these are mainly white women 21-50 thin or athletic build. I'm not sure why there's a range- maybe it's for more time? I'm also not sure how many of these gals have come up with that exact range. Is there a Sugar Baby forum by region where they talk to each other and set a universal price? I mean there are 40 year olds asking for 500 and they can't host, I'm like really? I'm not gifting 500 for a 25 yr old much less a 40 yr old. I'm middle aged but in good shape from working out a lot- not rich though. I was hoping my decent in shape looks might give me a slight discount to the market.

I'm still trying different approaches in my intro emails. Right now I try and bring something up in their profile and then with a follow up email asking how much allowance they had in mind. Then if we're in the same ballpark we can meet for coffee and see if there's a connection. Not sure if that's the best approach. Some still haven't responded which surprised me since there are supposed to be more women than men on these sites. Some of these women are so ridiculous with their expectations I'm glad I brought up the allowance topic ahead of time. Some wanted 700,1,000 per date minimums. The meet and greet coffee would have been a waste of time and money with them.

Any advice on negotiating some of them down to a reasonable level is appreciated. So far I've been saying I can do X amount. I haven't been going back and forth like a fantasy football trade proposal. The other thing is the ones that do agree on a gift allowance haven't gotten back to me in like 5-6 days. I'm guessing they're sifting through their offers and seeing the guys with the higher ones first? I don't want to email them constantly. That looks desperate and I'm not. How do you guys handle those situations too?

Any help appreciated. Love reading these posts especially the index. It's incredibly helpful.[/QUOTE]

Any info on this one tried several times can't get a reply!!

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/526715ee-a9be-e6f9-0c45-d05be216cd07[/URL]

[QUOTE=FafaFooey;3462445]I'm also in the Chicago bowl so here's a few of my insights:

- Not sure if you meant city of Chicago literally or the Chicago area, but if your schedule and lifestyle allow it, expand the geography of your search. Yes, its a higher priced market, but like any giant city there are lots of sub-markets. Move out from the Gold Coast / North Side / North Shore and I pretty much guarantee that no girls are getting these outlandish allowances.

- Feel out their needs from an arrangement a little before you get right to discussing numbers. If they talk about everyday bills (phone, insurance, etc.), help with kids, paying for school, etc, they're much more likely to negotiate a realistic allowance. If they're already comfortable. Have a place, car, most day-to-day needs covered, upscale social circle, the chances are higher they're trolling for a fantasy of being pampered and spoiled.

- Obviously generic advice, but back off on your standards a little. Chances are a lot of the 10's and 9's you're chasing based on their pics don't hold up to that rating in person anyway, and their BCD performance might not be worth the premium they think they can ask for based on their looks.

- Finally, although it risks more of your time, try deferring direct talk about allowance until a meet-and-greet. You may still get high opening offers, but don't underestimate the power of a good impression in person. When they see you're real and if there's any kind of chemistry, their willingness to negotiate will increase dramatically. And if you can't get an agreement at the end of the m&g, be nice! Thank them for their time, say it was nice meeting them, wish them luck, make sure they have a safe way home. After they spend another few days wading through an inbox of crude proposals, arrogant jerks, and flat-out fakes, you might be surprised how they'll come back to a real person they've met, this time more willing to work with the terms that are better for you.

Anyway, I've been surprised at some quick successes in my short sting in the Chicago bowl. I'm playing the burbs & haven't been shooting for the top of the heap, but I've had a couple of great meetups already with cute young girls much cleaner than what's on the BP scene and haven't paid over 3.[/QUOTE]Thanks Fafa. Definitely some good tips there. I'm definitely not crude in my messages but maybe talking about potential gift allowances in an email makes it feel less personal. It's awkward for me to talk about it in person over coffee though. Yeah I use a 50 mile radius in my search. I know the Gold Coast is pricey. I'm in the burbs as well. They don't have to be 22 but they do have to be slim, athletic or fit- otherwise I have no interest.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3462487]One confusing thing when you start out is to think that every girl on the site is actually interested in an arrangement. They're on site so you'd think their priority is finding a SD for them but it's far from always being the case. In my area I would say close to 50% of slim / athletic girls are doing it out of boredom, to see "what's out there", and to boost their ego (ohhhh, so many men want me! They have no real intention of going through with it and even a meet & greet is a small miracle with this crowd. You can spot them by being on the site for months, being on there every single day, and never having met someone let alone had an arrangement. Their expectations are also always ridiculous. Be aware they're on there and be quick to cut your losses and not waste your time.

E.[/QUOTE]Yeah I kind of agree with this to some extent. I think a lot of them might be just checking it out and considering it like a lotto ticket. They'll only go through with it if some CEO offers them the world. I'm sure many might get cold feet when they realize it's no longer a tv show, it's reality, and also that some of the crazy stories on tv shows of women getting millions are more of an anomaly than the norm. I think regular dating sites like Match is where most get their ego stroked though not here. On those sites gals get 50 emails a day from guys their own age not to mention how many times they get hit on offline- in bars and in the grocery store which inflates their ego to ridiculous levels.

[QUOTE=S2568;3462731]Any info on this one tried several times can't get a reply!!

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/526715ee-a9be-e6f9-0c45-d05be216cd07[/URL][/QUOTE]Same here, messaged her once, she read it but nothing. She looks hot though!

I know this has been talked about a bit, but how many of you juggle a few for any length of time? Do most of you just try and see a baby once or twice and then drop or how many arrangements fall off more to scheduling conflicts. Keeping a steady schedule with anyone is one of the bigger challenges I see. One aproach I suppose is going in saying hey I can only see you once or twice a month to each one. Just a curiosity.

[QUOTE=Moohk;3464005]I know this has been talked about a bit, but how many of you juggle a few for any length of time? Do most of you just try and see a baby once or twice and then drop or how many arrangements fall off more to scheduling conflicts. Keeping a steady schedule with anyone is one of the bigger challenges I see. One aproach I suppose is going in saying hey I can only see you once or twice a month to each one. Just a curiosity.[/QUOTE]Many guys use SA as another escort site. If you want to attract long term SBs then you have to change your mindset. Part of that has to do with screening aggressively. You do not want to seek out the "easy" lays who are obviously escorts, but girls who want a steady guy and not a book of business. Also avoid the desperate Nando 1 type girls, who are likely addicted and irresponsible. Offer them a LT deal and stick to it. My SB arrangements last on average 1-2 years for ONE girl. I got over the "kid in the candy store" phase where I had to screw a new SB at least once / week. What you give you get. If you throw away a girl after a date or two then you will attract that type of personality. If you want 4 girls / month, then offering each a date / month will not hold them long. They are going to find an SD who can give them a more consistent schedule, or they will be juggling a bunch of guys as well. If that is what you want then stick with Backpage or EROS.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3464086]Many guys use SA as another escort site. If you want to attract long term SBs then you have to change your mindset. Part of that has to do with screening aggressively. You do not want to seek out the "easy" lays who are obviously escorts, but girls who want a steady guy and not a book of business. Also avoid the desperate Nando 1 type girls, who are likely addicted and irresponsible. Offer them a LT deal and stick to it. My SB arrangements last on average 1-2 years for ONE girl. I got over the "kid in the candy store" phase where I had to screw a new SB at least once / week. What you give you get. If you throw away a girl after a date or two then you will attract that type of personality. If you want 4 girls / month, then offering each a date / month will not hold them long. They are going to find an SD who can give them a more consistent schedule, or they will be juggling a bunch of guys as well. If that is what you want then stick with Backpage or EROS.[/QUOTE]Well said. The only thing I might add is have patience in finding what you want. This is a process that takes time.