Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

I agree with your priorities of middle class growth, empowerment and lower taxation. The problem with your comments is that the Republican party while has preached those things, has been against those things in practice for 40 years starting with Reagan. The everyday pub is duped at every turn from messaging of what a pub is supposed to be. This is so crystal clear with the way Covid, vaccines and masks have been handled starting with individual one, the divider in chief. Never in the history of the country has vaccination and general public health been made into a political divider. Fortunately none of the crap was around with polio and the pox or we'd have a nation of cripples with a short life span. All the while the messengers send their kids to private schools requiring masks while making it illegal for public schools to do the same. This has resulted in pubs dying from Covid at 5 x the rate as dems.

On the economic front, tax cuts and socialism has only been for the rich and corporate America. Government corporate give aways have been 10 x that of the baby mama food stamps and tax breaks fed the wealthy for C-suite execs and stock buybacks, not the middle class. C-suite comp has grown 100 x middle class income in the last 30 years. On purpose. By pub policies. They give the everyday pubs a crumb and scream about being pro-life as long as it isn't actual in this world but want to cut the benefits for the living. When deficits emerge, like the $2 triillion from the last couple of years, they want to cut public programs and middle class benefits like social security, unemployment and medicare, under the guise of budget hawking. Please. The cycle has repeated at least 4 times in 40 years.

So your goals and priorities are laudable but step away from the kool-aid bowl when you are ascribing the proponents of your principles It's all empty messaging, do as I say not as I do. Let's create shit to divide people on while we try to stay in power and drive more of the same.

[QUOTE=INeedAnother;5528978]So abortion and trans bathrooms are your big issues that mean more to you than taxation, massive growth of government and spending and destruction of manufacturing and loss of jobs and loss of real middle class?

Abortion, it's not really an issue of mine. I understand it, but it's practical if nothing else. I don't see it going away and think the Texas law is too restrictive, personally. I'm actually sorry it passed because it will motivate a demotivated dem base.

So make family bathrooms, no big deal. Please try to understand men not wanting to send their young daughters into bathrooms with trans men.

Subpoena personal phone data, for congressional political investigation, not even through warrants? To witch-hunt individuals for political persecution? THAT is infringements of rights. We're supposed to be free. Jan 6 was much ado about nothing. It is made into a big deal just for political purposes to get Trump.[/QUOTE]

Easy cop out. Not true. Name one?

[QUOTE=DNut;5529339]There's too many lies in this post to deserve a response. Responding to them will just validate this treatise written in Fantasyland.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodWill123;5529457]Easy cop out. Not true. Name one?[/QUOTE]Ok. Here's one. You said.

[QUOTE=GoodWill123;5529335] Not one democrat or liberal of high rank apologized for that. Furthermore where was justice during the fake phony Russian hoax / Mueller investigation of 2 years, that frankly ended up incriminating Hillary and the DNC? [/QUOTE]Here's my reply below:

[QUOTE=DNut;5529394]Let me point out that the Mueller investigation lasted 10 months, not 2 years. In that 10 months, there were close to 40 indictments (including Russians that were in Russia and could not be prosecuted locally), 7 GUILTY verdicts that resulted in jail time, and $45 million dollars in fines; that's $10 million dollars more than the cost of the investigation, so a PROFIT.

Also you seem to suggest that Donald Trump was exonerated. He wasn't. Bill Barr tried to say so, but in an extraordinary event, Director Mueller said his report did not exonerate Donald Trump, but that the only reason he did not recommend charging Trump was the DOJ's policy of not charging a sitting President. Trump was NOT exonerated.

By comparison, the GOP spent 4 YEARS (2012 to 2016) investigating Hillary Clinton, via 9 different Congressional committees, millions of dollars spent, with Hillary Clinton herself sitting in the witness stand for 13 hours, and. NOTHING. THE GOP found nothing. No crime was shown to have been committed. No charges were ever filed. 4 years, millions of dollars, 9 panels. Nothing.[/QUOTE]How about this big one:

[QUOTE=GoodWill123;5529335] the storming of the Capital by BLM and Antifa. .[/QUOTE]You're freaking mental if you believe the January 6 insurrection was caused by BLM and Antifa. Every single arrest, every single flag, every single perpetrator was a Trumpster.

And then there's this line.

[QUOTE=GoodWill123;5529335]And regarding McCarthy, like it or not my friend, those rights are protected by law (remember back when we had LAWS?). And get this: it's an admitted over reach by the dems that they cannot lawfully demand these records (see Missouri Democrat comment, Bennie Thompson, who admitted this, just last FRI)..[/QUOTE]That's utter BS because it was Rep Bennie Thompson, the Chairman of the house panel investigating the jan. 6 insurrection, was the one who wrote the companies telling them to preserve the evidence.([URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/08/30/1032615984/house-panel-investigating-the-capitol-attack-orders-35-companies-to-preserve-rec[/URL]).

There is no cop out. Like I said, too many lies because these I have provided are just some examples. You asked for one. I delivered more.

Thank you for proving my points. First, and believe it or not, I'm trying to help you. This is what happens when you let your passion over rule your logic and judgement. So be careful,. OK? I really don't care what you think. What you believe is up to you. But here are the truth points.

Antifa, etc: I didn't say 1/6/21, but rather 2016. Read my post carefully,. And it's a known fact that both Antifa and BLM and other groups were involved back in "DC" 2016 , among other havoc. No one can dispute that.

Muller INv: Actually it went from May 2017 to March 2019, about 2 years. Look it up. Barr's report even had a redacted verison in April 2019. Again, circa 2 years, just like I said. Keep your facts straight OK?

Trump Exoneration: here are direct quotes from the report, and later, Barr himself on several interviews.

"there was insufficient evidence to bring any conspiracy charges against Trump or his associates. The report did not reach a conclusion about possible obstruction of justice of Trump, citing a Justice Department guideline that prohibits the federal indictment of a sitting president. The investigation resulted in charges against 34 individuals and 3 companies, 8 guilty pleas, and a conviction at trial" These are distractions, and "scope creep" form the initial charter of the investigation. You will notice that even with all that, still no connection to Trump of any wrong doing.
Side note: We could witch hunt multitudes of Bush's friend, Obamas, Clintons etc, and find plenty of wrong doing. These "side" cases were nothing more than a distraction against the fact they could find no wrong doing. BTW, he's out of office now. Still no charges. BTW, if you continue to read the report, it says there was overwhelming evidence that Trump did NOT obstruct justice, and that witnesses were found to have LIED, UNDER OATH against Trump further discrediting the credibility of the accusations. AND HERE YOU GO.

1. this one's amazing (: -) . An ex-FBI lawyer is expected to admit falsifying a document that was used as part of the inquiry into alleged Russian interference with the 2016 US presidential election.

"Mueller report: FBI lawyer 'altered email' to wiretap Trump aide":

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53784048[/URL]

2. And McCabe lied to the FBI about Trump (ultimately): "Andrew McCabe said he lied to FBI about Wall Street Journal Leak":

[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/01/02/andrew-mccabe-said-he-lied-to-fbi-about-wall-street-journal-leak[/URL]

3. And it was a witch hunt by the liberal media to keep the spin going: Here's a CNN whistleblower comment "Project Veritas says it caught CNN staffer admitting network pushed anti-Trump propaganda" :

[URL]https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/project-veritas-says-it-caught-cnn-staffer-admitting-network-pushed-anti-trump-propaganda.[/URL] And there's even more, but I don't feel like wasting my Sunday evening on this. This is old news.

Do you at least see it? The Russian investigation against Trump. It was all a hoax! And to think people, many intelligent people, fell for that! The actual interference was Hillary, Obama, DNC, Steel (phoney Steele dossier) illegal FIA warrants, etc. And when Trump became president, much to their chagrin, they had an "oh crap" moment, and decided to spin their own web of lies accusing Trump of the same crime they committed. To hide their crimes. It's as clear as day.

Lastly Bennie Thompson (D-MO) . All your article says is he pushed the orders through. I know that. You didn't address my point! He said he believes it's an over reach! Hello! LOL. Look at what I wrote. Amazing. Anyway, here's the article.

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/11-house-republicans-back-kevin-mccarthys-threat-telecoms-over-1-6-committee-1626092[/URL]

Here's the direct quote in the article: " copy of Friday's letter shared by Biggs asserted that Select Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, a Mississippi Democrat, "made an obvious admission" in making the records request, insisting that Thompson is "aware he lacks the authority to rile through the private data of individuals. ".

There you go man. My suggestion, I mean this sincerely. If you're going to debate someone, have the facts, and present the whole truth OK? Like I said, I honestly don't care what you believe, I just live by the truth. And frankly I'd much rather be writing about AMP;'s than this forum. Anyway, I think I proved my points, not about its about winning. I don't care. I'm hungry now and would like to get something to eat. LOL Good luck with your endeavors!

For stirring the pot.

But it sure did flush out some truly stupid people.

Good grief.

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;5529624]For stirring the pot.

But it sure did flush out some truly stupid people.

Good grief.[/QUOTE]So. It's the smart people that want to destroy the oil industry and energy production of the US and cause higher prices, and lead to subsequent inflation, and increase taxes that lead to loss of confidence and spending and offshoring of us jobs and manufacturing, and increase government involvement in industry to then lead to more malinvestment in non viable industries all for bullshit ideological reasons. Ok. Gotcha. And also the smart people want a chaotic overrun border with people that subsequently are draws upon the welfare state, and also want to not prosecute crimes and want to defund and destroy policing while all leading to spikes in crime.

You guys are so smart.

And also, it's amazing how you all divine that the founders and Lincoln would be big government, high taxation, central social and economic controlled communists now, simply because it's different. But, communism ain't nothing new. It's been around a long time, and always leads to waste, inefficiency, poverty and eventual starvation.

Goodwill,

That is some big heaping scoop of true bullshit you laid out there. A hoax. LMAO!

I do appreciate that besides giving me a very good laugh, your incessantly slanted and misguided research helps me understand the mind of today's republicans. Certainly not the mind of my Republican Party that used to be so intelligent, astute, and balanced. We used to be the "serious" party, and now we're just a bunch of ex-union members and crackpots. Delusional.

Ha ha! Great! Glad I could give you a nice laugh. Not sure how you can look at true confessions of self admiitted corruption and conclude it's slanted research, LOL. Boggles the mind. By the way, why did you assume I was a republican? Maybe that's your first mistake. Lke I said, I don't care. I felt compelled to publish factual data with verified quotes. And what I find interesting is still no one has been able to refute what I laid out. That's the funny part. Anyway, we had a chance to rant, I feel better now. Bengal man, thanks for posting, and have a great labor day, day, sincerely. Take care!

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5530001]Goodwill,

That is some big heaping scoop of true bullshit you laid out there. A hoax. LMAO!

I do appreciate that besides giving me a very good laugh, your incessantly slanted and misguided research helps me understand the mind of today's republicans. Certainly not the mind of my Republican Party that used to be so intelligent, astute, and balanced. We used to be the "serious" party, and now we're just a bunch of ex-union members and crackpots. Delusional.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodWill123;5530020]Ha ha! Great! Glad I could give you a nice laugh. I felt compelled to publish factual data with verified quotes. And what I find interesting is still no one has been able to refute what I laid out.[/QUOTE]Every one of your posts get more comical. LOL!

Quoting Bill Barr is priceless.

Priceless!!

Look this one up: has ANY PERSON EVER politicked for the US Attorney General job in the middle of a corrupt presidency by writing a 17-page position paper on covering and defending said corrupt president??

And conveniently left out was how Bill Barr secretly communicated an erroneous representation of the Meuller Report for one month before releasing the REAL contents. That's funny stuff.

And I'm not even going to the collusion with Russia, which was clear and evident in the Meuller Report, only to have MORE evidence found in the subsequent years.

Bill Barr. LMAO!

A corrupt AG covering for a corrupt president. How embarrassing.

Things got SO BAD with the Conman lies that even Bill Barr couldn't take it anymore.

Right, and on the tarmac. It's obvious we're not going to agree. It's an awesome day outside today. Hope you get to enjoy it. Have a good weekend my friend. Incidentally, in here we can rant and rave. But I refuse to let it divide me. I'm pretty well connected on the AMP scene, as are many of us. If you ever need anything in that forum, no hard feelings. I'm willing to help as that's what we're all here for. Olive branch and all. Have a great day man.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5530115]Every one of your posts get more comical. LOL!

Quoting Bill Barr is priceless.

Priceless!!

Look this one up: has ANY PERSON EVER politicked for the US Attorney General job in the middle of a corrupt presidency by writing a 17-page position paper on covering and defending said corrupt president??

And conveniently left out was how Bill Barr secretly communicated an erroneous representation of the Meuller Report for one month before releasing the REAL contents. That's funny stuff.

And I'm not even going to the collusion with Russia, which was clear and evident in the Meuller Report, only to have MORE evidence found in the subsequent years.

Bill Barr. LMAO!

A corrupt AG covering for a corrupt president. How embarrassing.

Things got SO BAD with the Conman lies that even Bill Barr couldn't take it anymore.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodWill123;5530131]Right, and on the tarmac. It's obvious we're not going to agree. It's an awesome day outside today. Hope you get to enjoy it. Have a good weekend my friend. Incidentally, in here we can rant and rave. But I refuse to let it divide me. I'm pretty well connected on the AMP scene, as are many of us. If you ever need anything in that forum, no hard feelings. I'm willing to help as that's what we're all here for. Olive branch and all. Have a great day man.[/QUOTE]No hard feelings. I'm there with you.

It's been a tough four years for a person who has always been supportive of Republican planks of low taxes, no corruption, strong defense, rights, liberties, and high-minded intelligence. And now the party has abandoned all that and been taken over by nut jobs, and I end up being called the RINO. And the real RINOS are the people who abandoned common sense.

Enjoy the holiday.

Couldn't agree more on the party leaving me. Now it's about crap like ivermectiin, Jewish lasers. The tent is getting smaller and only open to whackos. My friends who could think for themselves, no longer can and send me shit from OAN as their "proof. " Should be an interesting decade.

Smooth Sailing.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5530291]No hard feelings. I'm there with you.

It's been a tough four years for a person who has always been supportive of Republican planks of low taxes, no corruption, strong defense, rights, liberties, and high-minded intelligence. And now the party has abandoned all that and been taken over by nut jobs, and I end up being called the RINO. And the real RINOS are the people who abandoned common sense.

Enjoy the holiday.[/QUOTE]

This just in.

[QUOTE=MallGuy101;5531921]This just in.[/QUOTE]Donald Trump is 75, not 78.

[QUOTE=Dillsborodave;5527531]The problem with that is a woman never really has trouble finding someone to fuck them. It doesn't matter how fat or ugly they are there is some dude that will do it.[/QUOTE]That is very true. But like us, we pay for certain things, like discretion. Another reason is we pay them to leave us and not bother us until we need then again. So while a woman could get it anywhere. She may want to keep things very private. Or not have to go through all the games and BS to find sex. Just call / text, meet up, and then go. Without the worry of someone trying to form a relationship or interfere in their personal lives.