Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5517236] With NYC being so much bigger than chicago, I don't know how the hell people do it. Unless you have the money to get around by chopper or not need to get around, ridiculous amounts of your life are spent just getting to places. I guess if that's all you ever know. I have a new appreciation for Cincy.[/QUOTE]I have spent a considerable amount of time in both Chicago and NYC, and the best way to get around is by train / subway. It's efficient, very predictable in terms of schedule, one does not need to worry about parking, and has an access point within a block or two.

In Chicago, unless I intend to stay with friends or family in the suburbs, I fly into O'Hare, and take the train from the airport right into the heart of downtown. It's faster than driving, even with all the stops it has to make.

In NYC, getting to / from JFK, LGA, or EWR is a little more complex, but not anything an able bodied person can't navigate with relative ease.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5514940]Men and women are better working together in the complementary ways that we've biologically evolved. Yea that makes me so terrible and backwards.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DNut;5515314]The only time men and women NEED to be "working together in the complementary ways" is when having babies. That's it. In all other ways, and there are a lot more to life than having babies, men can work with men, women can work with women, men / women can work with with those who are transitioning from their gender assigned birth to the gender they choose. Not everyone wants to have babies. Not everyone needs to have children to lead a full and productive life.

And yes, your ideas make you backwards.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BengalMan;5515870]DNut with great words of wisdom. Thanks. ![/QUOTE][QUOTE=PearishBA;5517206]Nice try compartmentalizing sexuality and its consequences. And working about as good as all those high calorie foods piled up in grocery stores and fastfood joints that our society is eating itself to death on. Whether you want kids on a conscious level or not, that's what's turning the gears under our hoods and it permeates everything. But you know better than nature. Keep tooting the whistle on that 'progress' train as it goes right off the cliff.[/QUOTE]This is what is called, "A pivot". When you see the argument lost, you throw out random ideas in the hopes that the person you're debating follows you into the rabbit hole of nonsense. Other terms are, "red herrings" and "straw man arguments".

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5517206]Nice try compartmentalizing sexuality and its consequences. And working about as good as all those high calorie foods piled up in grocery stores and fastfood joints that our society is eating itself to death on. Whether you want kids on a conscious level or not, that's what's turning the gears under our hoods and it permeates everything. But you know better than nature. Keep tooting the whistle on that 'progress' train as it goes right off the cliff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DNut;5517492]This is what is called, "A pivot". When you see the argument lost, you throw out random ideas in the hopes that the person you're debating follows you into the rabbit hole of nonsense. Other terms are, "red herrings" and "straw man arguments".[/QUOTE]A functional comparison on how fucked up modern ideas about male / female dynamics are about as effective as the modern food supply, another essential area for human survival being driven into the ditch, ie sky rocketing obesity rates. Sorry points like these are going over your head, but that doesn't make them random or rabbit holes.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5517725]A functional comparison on how fucked up modern ideas about male / female dynamics are about as effective as the modern food supply, another essential area for human survival being driven into the ditch, ie sky rocketing obesity rates. Sorry points like these are going over your head, but that doesn't make them random or rabbit holes.[/QUOTE]But I don't think I have a fucking clue about what you're going on about.

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In NYC, getting to / from JFK, LGA, or EWR is a little more complex, but not anything an able bodied person can't navigate with relative ease.[/QUOTE]LGA, while a shitty fucking airport, used to be great for landing and getting into NYC. It sucks balls now.

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;5516648]May or may not prove to be true. FYI. Make your own decision based on what's right for you.

[URL]https://newsrescue.com/delta-variant-natural-immunity-700-greater-protection-than-shot-data-from-israeli-govt-shows/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9930855/Natural-immunity-Covid-infection-stronger-vaccination-Israeli-study-suggests.html[/URL][/QUOTE]While me and wanderingabout don't see eye-to-eye on almost anything, I do respect his research efforts. I personally don't care if people get vaxxed or not. I'm fine with low IQ folks dying off. I do get pissed when it affects kids, etc.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5517725]A functional comparison on how fucked up modern ideas about male / female dynamics are about as effective as the modern food supply, another essential area for human survival being driven into the ditch, ie sky rocketing obesity rates. Sorry points like these are going over your head, but that doesn't make them random or rabbit holes.[/QUOTE]The idea that there is a correlation between the changing gender sexual dynamics, with food availability and obesity rates are purely in your head. Just because you think both a "modern ideas", doesn't make them modern at all. Case in point, I had attended an exhibit of the works of Peter Rubens. It's from him that we get the word, "Rubenesque", rotund built women from where we get the word, "Rubenesque". The round Rubenesque stature was the height of beauty of it's day. More recently, in the 1990's Kate Moss (and some say in the 1960's Twiggy), barely there models with a waif look built, some say, by anorexia, was the desired look.

Yes, your points are rabbit holes. There is no correlation between gender dynamics and obesity rates, except in your head.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5517787]While me and wanderingabout don't see eye-to-eye on almost anything, I do respect his research efforts. I personally don't care if people get vaxxed or not. I'm fine with low IQ folks dying off. I do get pissed when it affects kids, etc.[/QUOTE]

Even if POV differ do respect and enjoy RO's posts ranging from informative to giving out some pointed jabs to slight of hand sarcasm. Never a dull read.

Luckily kids have very little to worry about regarding Covid related death. Nationwide study in England found that COVID-19 caused deaths amongst Persons under the age of 18 thru early 2021 accounted for 0.0002% of total population for the age group. With 0.0258% of total under 18 pop dying for whatever reason during the studies time period, Covid related deaths as a percentage of all under 18 deaths was 0.8% (less than one percent). About half of those Covid deaths were in individuals that already had an underlying complex disability with high health-care needs. Source: medrxiv.

The real age groups that should take precautions, regardless of IQ, are anyone over 50 as the risk is much higher than the low 20-30-40 somethings. If over age is over 70 the infected patient Covid death risk is concerning per Duke University and CDC data.

Stepping out of the discussion. Get vaxxed or not. Have sex wearing a condom or not. Ride in a car or not. Hold a metal rod in a lightning storm or not. Know the risk. Roll the dice. YOLO.

In a Republic your freedom to choose will not always be an option because decisions are supposed to be made by citizens of a community not by selfish individuals or Tucker Carlson. If you're acting in a way that hurts your family or neighbors you should either be made to stop via law and order or be punched in the nose for being such an insecure, entitled little prick. (I'd do just about anything to bare knuckle fight Tucker Carlson. What a jag.) You think masks don't work? Fine. Your refuse to vax? Fine. But you're rolling the dice w the lives of the people around you, especially the elderly. And that's just about the lamest thing ever.

For good measure here's another recent anti vaxxer Death decided to come for. [URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/anti-vax-radio-host-marc-bernier-died-from-covid-2021-8[/URL].

[QUOTE=WanderingAbout;5517230]Polo and Covid have some similarities yet are quite different in environmental interaction, infection conditions, structure, behavior, resistance, variants, impact, body defiance, survivability, treatment.[/QUOTE]The differences are that in 1955 there were no dumbasses, they all got their shot. In 2021, half the country is dumbasses.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5518316]The differences are that in 1955 there were no dumbasses, they all got their shot. In 2021, half the country is dumbasses.[/QUOTE]The dumbass are all Michigan and Steelers fans. Lol

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5517780]But I don't think I have a fucking clue about what you're going on about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DNut;5517830]The idea that there is a correlation between the changing gender sexual dynamics, with food availability and obesity rates are purely in your head. Just because you think both a "modern ideas", doesn't make them modern at all. Case in point, I had attended an exhibit of the works of Peter Rubens. It's from him that we get the word, "Rubenesque", rotund built women from where we get the word, "Rubenesque". The round Rubenesque stature was the height of beauty of it's day. More recently, in the 1990's Kate Moss (and some say in the 1960's Twiggy), barely there models with a waif look built, some say, by anorexia, was the desired look.

Yes, your points are rabbit holes. There is no correlation between gender dynamics and obesity rates, except in your head.[/QUOTE]I never said there was a correlation. Adding clarification markers inside the quote below. It would flow better in conversation than typing on a forum. I should have used something else completely unrelated and smaller in scale that was fucked up for the illustrative comparison. Because that's the only purpose it was serving in my post, it wasn't the main point.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5517206]Nice try compartmentalizing sexuality and its consequences. >>>>>The next part here is comparing that to something else fucked up >>>>And working about as good as all those high calorie foods piled up in grocery stores and fastfood joints that our society is eating itself to death on. >>>>>The next sentence that follows is not related to that food comparison, it goes back to the original topic about the importance of sexuality and gender roles >>>>>>Whether you want kids on a conscious level or not, that's what's turning the gears under our hoods and it permeates everything. But you know better than nature. Keep tooting the whistle on that 'progress' train as it goes right off the cliff.[/QUOTE]DNut was massively underestimating the central roles of the reproductive drive and complementary gender roles between men and women. Making it a little area of life where we just come together when we want to pop out a baby. I'm saying its far more reaching beyond wanting kids on a conscious level, that its wired into who we are from the hormones on up, to our capacities, how we bond, cooperate, compete, organize, build, today and across generations. And it works optimally when men and women work within their complementary evolutionary biology. Which is not the same thing as saying we need to go back to the stone age. We do make accommodations for the exceptions to go against the grain if that's what they want to do, but the general evolutionary roles should be encouraged.

Topics like this are naturally intersting to me, but on this platform my attention limit is shooting off a few replies back and forth. Time to move on.

[QUOTE=PearishBA;5518549]I never said there was a correlation. Adding clarification markers inside the quote below. It would flow better in conversation than typing on a forum. I should have used something else completely unrelated and smaller in scale that was fucked up for the illustrative comparison. Because that's the only purpose it was serving in my post, it wasn't the main point.

DNut was massively underestimating the central roles of the reproductive drive and complementary gender roles between men and women. Making it a little area of life where we just come together when we want to pop out a baby. I'm saying its far more reaching beyond wanting kids on a conscious level, that its wired into who we are from the hormones on up, to our capacities, how we bond, cooperate, compete, organize, build, today and across generations. And it works optimally when men and women work within their complementary evolutionary biology. Which is not the same thing as saying we need to go back to the stone age. We do make accommodations for the exceptions to go against the grain if that's what they want to do, but the general evolutionary roles should be encouraged.

Topics like this are naturally intersting to me, but on this platform my attention limit is shooting off a few replies back and forth. Time to move on.[/QUOTE]A lot of big words that amount to very little substance. PearishBA is that guy at parties that try to impress people using smoke and mirrors in conversation. Then when exposed for actually being backward thinking, doubles down and tries to lay on the stupid even more.

To anyone reading this thread, stop and think about what he's saying, and ask yourself, "Is he actually making any sense?

Reading this lovely discourse between you two, I will help you establish common ground.

We like boobs.

Have a good day gents.

[QUOTE=DNut;5518572]A lot of big words that amount to very little substance. PearishBA is that guy at parties that try to impress people using smoke and mirrors in conversation. Then when exposed for actually being backward thinking, doubles down and tries to lay on the stupid even more.

To anyone reading this thread, stop and think about what he's saying, and ask yourself, "Is he actually making any sense?[/QUOTE]D Nut is one of those guys that likes to retreat into giving commentary during an argument. He doesn't really want you to stop and think, he just wants you to think like him.