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Hello fellow mongers. Just introducing myself to the board. I've been reading the forum posts for some time but have been "semi-retired" from the game for a while. When I started mongering several years ago, I checked out a few of the ladies at the Ave. (Caroline, Jenna, Tasha Moore) and I was also using CL (before they changed) and BP after. I semi-retired be / see frankly I was left unimpressed by CL and BP dreams most of the time, so I stuck with the ones that I liked.

When I first started out, Tasha from Climax was my reg. I've read some of the not so stellar reviews on here. Granted it was 3+ years ago, but my dreams with her were always pretty good. I know that this business and the baggage that girls in this business bring with them will eventually take it's toll. The monkey was getting more and more apparent, which is when I stopped seeing her, but she was always very sweet to me. Dreams frequently ran well over time without issue. It was a shame to read about her recent troubles.

Now these days I only see Alyse when she comes through as she is my ATF by far. Like I said before, I like finding a good one and sticking with it. If you guys haven't partaken, you are really missing out. All of my dreams have been full GFE. She is a beautiful woman who knows how to treat a guy right, and just as importantly, enjoys what she does, or at least appears to. Her rates are higher than most BP girls, but in my opinion, you get what you pay for. The only issue I have is that she doesn't come through Richmond more often than she does.

With that long intro out of the way, I am looking for either a young white or Asian spinner and / or a lady built like Alyse who is in the area more frequently, is full GFE, and is reliable. I've seen Kalina has good reviews. Is she all that? Any other recommendations from you gents??

Thanks!

[QUOTE=PresJB;2040117]Hello fellow mongers. Just introducing myself to the board. I've been reading the forum posts for some time but have been "semi-retired" from the game for a while. When I started mongering several years ago, I checked out a few of the ladies at the Ave. (Caroline, Jenna, Tasha Moore) and I was also using CL (before they changed) and BP after. I semi-retired be / see frankly I was left unimpressed by CL and BP dreams most of the time, so I stuck with the ones that I liked.

When I first started out, Tasha from Climax was my reg. I've read some of the not so stellar reviews on here. Granted it was 3+ years ago, but my dreams with her were always pretty good. I know that this business and the baggage that girls in this business bring with them will eventually take it's toll. The monkey was getting more and more apparent, which is when I stopped seeing her, but she was always very sweet to me. Dreams frequently ran well over time without issue. It was a shame to read about her recent troubles.

Now these days I only see Alyse when she comes through as she is my ATF by far. Like I said before, I like finding a good one and sticking with it. If you guys haven't partaken, you are really missing out. All of my dreams have been full GFE. She is a beautiful woman who knows how to treat a guy right, and just as importantly, enjoys what she does, or at least appears to. Her rates are higher than most BP girls, but in my opinion, you get what you pay for. The only issue I have is that she doesn't come through Richmond more often than she does.

With that long intro out of the way, I am looking for either a young white or Asian spinner and / or a lady built like Alyse who is in the area more frequently, is full GFE, and is reliable. I've seen Kalina has good reviews. Is she all that? Any other recommendations from you gents??

Thanks![/QUOTE]She is good. She was my first dc girl. Have 24 under my belt at this point. Are you dc? Pm me.

Ok I got another UTR, black girl 5 ft5 about 165,big tits she is very new, takes direction. She has a job she just looking for a couple more regulars. Not the other girl I helped out awhile back. She thick, but nice, so trusted members and guys I share with HMU.

I ran across this link today, "The Anatomy of a Prostitution Sting Operation In Henrico Virginia", and found it pretty informative:

[URL]http://criminal-lawyervirginia.com/virginia-sex-crime-laws/anatomy-prostitution-sting-operation-henrico-virginia/[/URL]

This pretty much matches what a girl told me once. She'd gotten caught on an outcall in Henrico and worked as a sting decoy in exchange for a reduced charge. I found it interesting that she said some guys did manage to leave without ever seeing the cops because she couldn't get them to say anything incriminating, and her attempts to do so spooked them so they left.

That article explains how they get guys on incalls and girls on outcalls, so I was curious about the recent Star City Escorts bust. Those girls were incall only. We know from RVASpice's report ( [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9229-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=2041711&viewfull=1#post2041711[/URL]) that they talked to a monger, presumably after he visited one of the girls, and I think we can assume he told them everything, yet the girls weren't charged with being prostitutes. Strange, right?

I think that's because, as I read on another forum, Virginia code 19-2.81 ( [URL]http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-81[/URL]) lists crimes a cop can arrest you for without you committing the crime in his presence, and prostitution isn't one of them (in Maryland, apparently it is).

Instead, they were charged with keeping / residing in a bawdy place. Look at the fucking vague definition for that: "'bawdy place' shall mean any place within or without any building or structure which is used or is to be used for lewdness, assignation or prostitution." ( [URL]https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-347[/URL]) So if the guy tells them he just had sex in the girl's room, that's surely either lewdness or assignation, so they can now say her room is a bawdy place and go find her residing in that room, in their presence, and arrest her on that charge. Then of course they can charge her with anything else she subsequently admits to or they find in her room.

Of course if everyone keeps their mouth shut, it won't work, but here in the real world, I bet this is a really effective tactic. Looking at the past month's Henrico arrest report, the majority of the charges against women are that bawdy place charge.

It seems it may be a shift in tactics, too. I knew another girl who got caught a few years ago in her motel in Henrico. They kicked in the door and told her they'd been watching her room for days and knew what she was doing. She refused to admit anything and all they charged her with was marijuana possession for the joint she'd been rolling. No mention of talking to any of her customers, no bawdy place charge.

And unfortunately it looks like the days of areas outside of Henrico being safer may be numbered. That article, from 11/2013, mentions "the Henrico vice squad has become quite proficient and has recently assisted in training a similar unit with the Chesterfield County Police Department".

This article from last Thursday also had some relevant tidbits:

[URL]http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/henrico-gets-conviction-in-fight-against-prostitution/article_cdd46556-95ce-5828-8d6d-8a3f9c038dfd.html[/URL]

It mentions "'We've been successful enough where this is going to have to turn into a regional effort because people are learning that in Henrico, you're going to get arrested,' Feinmel said.".

It seems pretty much all they have to do is find out where a girl's staying, then watch it until they can grab a guy leaving and get him to talk. And the finding's getting easier for them, too: "Merchants are not hesitating to alert police when someone shows up with multiple females in tow and a trail of men arriving at all hours of the night. 'They are calling us and telling us what they see,' he said of Henrico innkeepers.".

I'd be curious to know what they threaten a guy with to get him to talk, and I'd love to hear from a lawyer whether there's any truth to those threats.

Another reason why this site is so important, to help keep us all safe from time / money / manpower waste that our Henrico / Chesterfield Uncle's put into this endeavor.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;2044475]I ran across this link today, "The Anatomy of a Prostitution Sting Operation In Henrico Virginia", and found it pretty informative:...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;2044475]I ran across this link today, "The Anatomy of a Prostitution Sting Operation In Henrico Virginia", and found it pretty informative:

[URL]http://criminal-lawyervirginia.com/virginia-sex-crime-laws/anatomy-prostitution-sting-operation-henrico-virginia/[/URL]

This pretty much matches what a girl told me once. She'd gotten caught on an outcall in Henrico and worked as a sting decoy in exchange for a reduced charge. I found it interesting that she said some guys did manage to leave without ever seeing the cops because she couldn't get them to say anything incriminating, and her attempts to do so spooked them so they left.

That article explains how they get guys on incalls and girls on outcalls, so I was curious about the recent Star City Escorts bust. Those girls were incall only. We know from RVASpice's report ( [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9229-BackPage-Advertiser-Reviews&p=2041711&viewfull=1#post2041711[/URL]) that they talked to a monger, presumably after he visited one of the girls, and I think we can assume he told them everything, yet the girls weren't charged with being prostitutes. Strange, right?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the post. Required reading for sure!

After 2 failed attempts, I am supposed to meet Vanessa tonight. I haven't seen any chatter lately about her. Am I wasting my time and $? Or is she still worth seeing for the head game?

Thanks!

J.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;2044475] I'd be curious to know what they threaten a guy with to get him to talk, and I'd love to hear from a lawyer whether there's any truth to those threats.[/QUOTE]I'm not a lawyer and by no means any expert on the law, but you hit the nail on the head. My take after reading what you linked to and your post is that the best thing everyone can do is to not talk. If the girl is legit, she won't try to get you to incriminate yourself. If you don't verbally solicit or do so in text, email, phone calls, etc I don't see how you can get in trouble. Uncle LEO can and will say anything to get someone to "cooperate." Their claims do not have to be factual. Bottom line is that the only info you are required to provide when asked by LE is your name and address. And if you're not under arrest, then you can leave at any time. My attorney for a totally unrelated matter told me that giving LE info voluntarily is the worst thing you can do for yourself. That info may be used to justify probably cause for an arrest. So if you don't talk, arrest shouldn't be likely, and if you are arrested, best to clam up and let your attorney do ALL of the talking.

But like I said, I'm by no means an expert, so if anyone has a different take on it, I'd love to hear your perspective.

[QUOTE=HotRodJ;2044873]After 2 failed attempts, I am supposed to meet Vanessa tonight. I haven't seen any chatter lately about her. Am I wasting my time and $? Or is she still worth seeing for the head game?

Thanks!

J.[/QUOTE]SW quality and not the best SW looks or service either. Better off cruising a bit. If all you care about is dt and willing to over pay for it, then she might be for you.

Talking as a layman, and experience I had and a friend of mine.

Adjoining rooms are a No No.

Next don't commit over the phone or text, meaning make an appt. And don't keep it.

Next walk into room and check the bathroom before you say anything more than Hello,.

My new favorite LE check is asking provider to be naked when I enter the room, but not sure how foolproof that is now that decoy are providers that cut a deal to play decoy.

My reasoning behind making an appt. And not going through with it is because I evaded a sting that way, so I called a provider that posted in escort or body rub section of Backpage and didn't go see her, months later she returned same ad same pics, again I made an appt. And several reasons led me not to go again, started spending my funds on food, gas, bills etc. She calls me and I didn't answer afterwards another number calls which I also don't answer and it was uncle LEO he left me a voicemail warning me that he was conducting stings and letting me know that on two occasions I have evaded his trap and they are having a hard time putting me in apprehending..LOL...I saved the voicemail to remind me and keep me on my toes.

The bathroom check, a person I know that got caught didn't incriminate himself over the phone or through text and he greeted the decoy bee-line to bathroom and opened the door to uncle LEO waiting to storm out. He was held but all he said was here is my I'd and tell me when I can leave, No I won't say why I am here, No I won't say what I came here for. On his court date his lawyer hit on those key points "my client went to see a women he met on the internet", nothing implying money for sex over phone or in person, judge turned to decoy, prosecuter and the others involved in sting, what did he say...they said he didn't say anything but your honor he showed up...long story. Judge TOSSED THE CASE.

As far as ladies you know that are providers turning decoy nothing you can do, An old favorite of mine Italia / Marabella watch from her motel room as 3 black girls who got busted flipped and began working that same night for the Boys, they got plenty of people arrested that night...These 3 ladies don't work Hampton roads anymore but they are right up the way in District of Columbia

[QUOTE=Jusblaze1;2045456]Talking as a layman, and experience I had and a friend of mine.

Adjoining rooms are a No No.

Next don't commit over the phone or text, meaning make an appt. And don't keep it.

Next walk into room and check the bathroom before you say anything more than Hello,.

My new favorite LE check is asking provider to be naked when I enter the room, but not sure how foolproof that is now that decoy are providers that cut a deal to play decoy.

My reasoning behind making an appt. And not going through with it is because I evaded a sting that way, so I called a provider that posted in escort or body rub section of Backpage and didn't go see her, months later she returned same ad same pics, again I made an appt. And several reasons led me not to go again, started spending my funds on food, gas, bills etc. She calls me and I didn't answer afterwards another number calls which I also don't answer and it was uncle LEO he left me a voicemail warning me that he was conducting stings and letting me know that on two occasions I have evaded his trap and they are having a hard time putting me in apprehending..LOL...I saved the voicemail to remind me and keep me on my toes.

The bathroom check, a person I know that got caught didn't incriminate himself over the phone or through text and he greeted the decoy bee-line to bathroom and opened the door to uncle LEO waiting to storm out. He was held but all he said was here is my I'd and tell me when I can leave, No I won't say why I am here, No I won't say what I came here for. On his court date his lawyer hit on those key points "my client went to see a women he met on the internet", nothing implying money for sex over phone or in person, judge turned to decoy, prosecuter and the others involved in sting, what did he say...they said he didn't say anything but your honor he showed up...long story. Judge TOSSED THE CASE.

As far as ladies you know that are providers turning decoy nothing you can do, An old favorite of mine Italia / Marabella watch from her motel room as 3 black girls who got busted flipped and began working that same night for the Boys, they got plenty of people arrested that night...These 3 ladies don't work Hampton roads anymore but they are right up the way in District of Columbia[/QUOTE]With all the LEO talk, I have to chime in even though I'm retired and haven't been active in years...I just fantasize and then relay it in a poetic manner. Right mr parole officer, fu. A bird told me to check the locks upon entering to visit a friend, If hey are missing or altered, leave. If there is nothing but an alarm clock and tissue box, leave. The room should have personal effects and look used. If your friend says, I have another room and this is the one I use for friends, leave. Don't not let little head call the shots. He is a blind asshole with one thing on his mind. I'm just telling a story of what I was told. Now mr parole officer, I said I was retired. Disclaimer: none of this is intended as legal advice or information to circumvent breaking the law or to obstruct justice. It is a mere stroll in the first amendment garden.

[QUOTE=PresJB;2045144]I'm not a lawyer and by no means any expert on the law, but you hit the nail on the head. My take after reading what you linked to and your post is that the best thing everyone can do is to not talk. If the girl is legit, she won't try to get you to incriminate yourself. If you don't verbally solicit or do so in text, email, phone calls, etc I don't see how you can get in trouble. Uncle LEO can and will say anything to get someone to "cooperate." Their claims do not have to be factual. Bottom line is that the only info you are required to provide when asked by LE is your name and address. And if you're not under arrest, then you can leave at any time. My attorney for a totally unrelated matter told me that giving LE info voluntarily is the worst thing you can do for yourself. That info may be used to justify probably cause for an arrest. So if you don't talk, arrest shouldn't be likely, and if you are arrested, best to clam up and let your attorney do ALL of the talking.

But like I said, I'm by no means an expert, so if anyone has a different take on it, I'd love to hear your perspective.[/QUOTE]These words are worth more than gold.

[QUOTE=OldFriend;2045991]These words are worth more than gold.[/QUOTE]My favorite words are the words I had with providers when I went to see them. Because that was all we had: words. You have to learn to talk to women somewhere, even if you're paying them for their time. I'm pretty sure overcoming social retardation by paying to talk to people isn't illegal.

Everything else? Just a dream, just a dream, just a dream...

[QUOTE=CatFaces;2046546]My favorite words are the words I had with providers when I went to see them. Because that was all we had: words. You have to learn to talk to women somewhere, even if you're paying them for their time. I'm pretty sure overcoming social retardation by paying to talk to people isn't illegal.

Everything else? Just a dream, just a dream, just a dream...[/QUOTE]Words with women, no words with pigs.

[QUOTE=Jimmyjams;2045241]SW quality and not the best SW looks or service either. Better off cruising a bit. If all you care about is dt and willing to over pay for it, then she might be for you.[/QUOTE]I don't get to see Vanessa a lot but when I do she has always been great and very accommodating. I don't think there is anything she won't do. Yes she is kind of plain...definitely not ugly. She would probably look nice with makeup. She is very much a spinner and the best thing is she isn't at the notels. I think she has done the SW thing some when desperate. The main thing I didn't like with her is multiple texts after I told her I couldn't come by but that has dropped off...so I am pretty satisfied with her. Of course YMMV. Have fun and be safe.