"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3394497]Does my post just below on this page - #13903 - do the job for #2?[/QUOTE]It definitely does, and I had actually already copied it to my notes for inclusion, as well as your 4/25 post about Hilton day rates. My intention is to put the "organized" responses to the survey format at the top of the Index, then reference the others with "additional info". My thinking here is that if someone is going to the index specifically looking for credit card anonymity and hotel tips, it will be easier reading if they are all make a reasonable attempt at a structured format. There has been a lot of good info around these topics posted over the years, but in effect it becomes wasted once it's buried deep in the thread. The goal here will hopefully result a series of concise and focused answers to just those two questions that make for a nice reference.

Also if you guys who post to the other SB threads can post a link to the survey and ask them to reply in the Richmond thread (explaining the purpose and that our Index thread is for their benefit too), it will probably go a long way toward getting some innovative responses. I did this in the Honolulu thread, but I didn't want to cross post the same message to a bunch of topics, most forum admins don't appreciate that.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3394531]It definitely does, and I had actually already copied it to my notes for inclusion, as well as your 4/25 post about Hilton day rates. My intention is to put the "organized" responses to the survey format at the top of the Index, then reference the others with "additional info". My thinking here is that if someone is going to the index specifically looking for credit card anonymity and hotel tips, it will be easier reading if they are all make a reasonable attempt at a structured format. There has been a lot of good info around these topics posted over the years, but in effect it becomes wasted once it's buried deep in the thread. The goal here will hopefully result a series of concise and focused answers to just those two questions that make for a nice reference.

Also if you guys who post to the other SB threads can post a link to the survey and ask them to reply in the Richmond thread (explaining the purpose and that our Index thread is for their benefit too), it will probably go a long way toward getting some innovative responses. I did this in the Honolulu thread, but I didn't want to cross post the same message to a bunch of topics, most forum admins don't appreciate that.[/QUOTE]You might also want to include the apps / websites for day rate hotels. The three I'm aware of are beewake (the one I have used), [URL]dayuse.com[/URL], and [URL]hotelsbyday.com[/URL]. FarFarAway posted on this last one below. I've checked them both out and for me, in Chicago, they show some amazing discounts. I had the beewake app on my phone already, and just downloaded the other two apps to my phone as well. If any other brothers know of additional apps or sites, please post them up.

Cheers,

Scott.

(#2) Daytime Hotel Room solutions or alternative (if applicable to you):

A. If you have an SB you need to take to the FC in the morning or early afternoon, how do you go about it, particularly given the limitation that hotel check-ins are typically late afternoon?

If you will be staying near an airport call nearby hotels and ask for a layover rate. 'I will be there by 10 AM and out by 4 PM as I missed my connection'. Doing it the same day allows for one to be assured that all parties will attend. If it is independently run you may be able to negotiate a very favorable rate. As a wise man once said, if you pay more than $50 you are not a skilled negotiator.

As for privacy issues, I pay cash, use real name, and hold on my real card. Yes, that can fail, but no charges on the monthly statement assuming all incidentals are cleared upon checkout.

I just found out about Blur - [URL]https://dnt.abine.com/[/URL]#feature / payments.

It seems you can create anonymous credit card numbers tied either to your bank account or personal credit card. Their terms of service indicate the charges appear on your card as "Abine". It seems Blur does keep a record of your transactions will give them up when subpoenaed. Anonymous cards are limited to $500, but you can create as many of them as you want.

I've not used the service, and I probably won't. Gift cards are roughly equivalent without the downside risk of a third party having your info.

Here are the terms of service for anyone interested - [URL]https://www.abine.com/legal.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3396660]I just found out about Blur - [URL]https://dnt.abine.com/[/URL]#feature / payments.

It seems you can create anonymous credit card numbers tied either to your bank account or personal credit card. Their terms of service indicate the charges appear on your card as "Abine". It seems Blur does keep a record of your transactions will give them up when subpoenaed. Anonymous cards are limited to $500, but you can create as many of them as you want.

I've not used the service, and I probably won't. Gift cards are roughly equivalent without the downside risk of a third party having your info.

Here are the terms of service for anyone interested - [URL]https://www.abine.com/legal.html[/URL][/QUOTE]When you use a gift card what do you put in the name and address section on SA?

A number of my POTs and SBs have told me their first arrangements were w / guys who just came up to them, not from getting on SA. After that arrangement ended, they were looking for similar options and found the site. I'd like to know about how to go about selecting prospects to target for this approach, among all of the PYTs walking the Earth, and what approaches work. Fish has discussed on the thread his approach to getting babies out of job applicants and gig workers. I've read a little from other people about having a business card printed up w / sugar info that they pass out. Still, if any of you have worked this play, I'd like to know chapter and verse. I see a lot of possibilities out in the world, and I'd like to not be dependent on my membership.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3396660]I just found out about Blur - [URL]https://dnt.abine.com/[/URL]#feature / payments.

It seems you can create anonymous credit card numbers tied either to your bank account or personal credit card. Their terms of service indicate the charges appear on your card as "Abine". It seems Blur does keep a record of your transactions will give them up when subpoenaed. Anonymous cards are limited to $500, but you can create as many of them as you want.

I've not used the service, and I probably won't. Gift cards are roughly equivalent without the downside risk of a third party having your info.

Here are the terms of service for anyone interested - [URL]https://www.abine.com/legal.html[/URL][/QUOTE]And, if your name or your sugar name isn't on the card, it may limit use. I've found that when checking into hotels, they don't care if it's debit or credit, but it has to have a name on it that matches (well, at least loosely) the name on the reservation.

I know this has been mentioned here in the past, but it's amazing to me how many Babies will link phone numbers to their Facebook page. I have "discovered" three babies that way in the past couple of weeks. Just a heads up.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3398512]A number of my POTs and SBs have told me their first arrangements were w / guys who just came up to them, not from getting on SA. After that arrangement ended, they were looking for similar options and found the site. I'd like to know about how to go about selecting prospects to target for this approach, among all of the PYTs walking the Earth, and what approaches work. Fish has discussed on the thread his approach to getting babies out of job applicants and gig workers. I've read a little from other people about having a business card printed up w / sugar info that they pass out. Still, if any of you have worked this play, I'd like to know chapter and verse. I see a lot of possibilities out in the world, and I'd like to not be dependent on my membership.[/QUOTE]It can be done but why? If you have the time and personality, and game to develop a connection with a civy girl then why try and convert. Old guys come off as creepy when trying this on the 20's girls. SA gives you the best and fastest opportunity at like minded people. There are exceptions to every rule so its possible but you will definitely have a whole lot of time invested. Here is a saying for your card "Have Sugar Will Travel". Stick with SA, much easier especially for the old guys.

Chiming in to say thanks for the great posts so far, and to let everyone know I am dutifully noting them for inclusion in the index. Right now the tally is slightly lopsided toward the hotel question, versus the more frequently asked prepaid card question. Ideally I'd like to get at least 8-10 solid responses under each question if possible, so it can be indexed in a single post, since I cannot edit or add later.

Current score is 4 hotel related posts, 1 credit card related posts. If you have something to contribute to either of these, please do post, even if you've covered it before.

Here are the questions again.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3394311&viewfull=1#post3394311[/URL]

I've had success by asking a girl "you don't happen to like old men by any chance? (with a big ass smile on my face!!).

This has worked if I had a reason to get to know them already. Like a dancer, waitress, cashier or some other service where have reason to have ongoing conversation. Occasionally another customer at a bar where I can strike up a conversation. I start by complimenting them and showing a sign of humor.

I'm mot bold enough to walk up to a random young woman in a store and hit her up. I'm curious if others have had any success this way.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3398512]A number of my POTs and SBs have told me their first arrangements were w / guys who just came up to them, not from getting on SA. After that arrangement ended, they were looking for similar options and found the site. I'd like to know about how to go about selecting prospects to target for this approach, among all of the PYTs walking the Earth, and what approaches work. Fish has discussed on the thread his approach to getting babies out of job applicants and gig workers. I've read a little from other people about having a business card printed up w / sugar info that they pass out. Still, if any of you have worked this play, I'd like to know chapter and verse. I see a lot of possibilities out in the world, and I'd like to not be dependent on my membership.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3399297]I've had success by asking a girl "you don't happen to like old men by any chance? (with a big ass smile on my face!!).

This has worked if I had a reason to get to know them already. Like a dancer, waitress, cashier or some other service where have reason to have ongoing conversation. Occasionally another customer at a bar where I can strike up a conversation. I start by complimenting them and showing a sign of humor.

I'm mot bold enough to walk up to a random young woman in a store and hit her up. I'm curious if others have had any success this way.[/QUOTE]Walking up to random girls in stores isn't in my bag of tricks either. A few times I have certainly met SB candidates that were employees of stores that gave off a strong vibe, and I've had countless opportunities in professional settings that tempted me but I did not pursue. First, I never want an SB that works at a company I'm professionally involved with -- mixing work and play is a bad idea, IMHO. Second, some of the girls I've chatted up at clothing stores seemed very promising, but if I am wardrobe shopping it's usually not when I'm traveling, and I don't play close to home so that rules that out.

However, if you do like searching for a needle in a haystack, look for store or departments of stores that sell products that caters to the SD demographic (like expensive suits, shoes etc), then look for an attractive girl that works there. It is most likely no coincidence that she's working that shift in that store or dept! I had an ex gf that sold expensive suits, and she told me the main purpose she took the job is so she could meet the kind of men she liked (she also said it was harder than she thought because the vibe at work wasn't as relaxed and social as a bar or nightclub). The retail clerk of course is in the category you mentioned above, where they have a professional reason to talk to you, but IMHO outside that realm, most girls that go shopping are there with a goal (and it's not to meet men). Shopping for clothes and makeup is where they are in "planning mode", trying to figure out what they want to wear to lure men, the shopping trip itself is not about luring men.

So, aside from dancers or randomly walking up to girls at a bar or something entertainment related (music event, festival etc), I find that the atmosphere typically isn't right. If an SB told me her previous SDs just walked up to her, I would want to know where and under what circumstances. I doubt it's while she's at the mall looking at purses or shoes. Also, some girls thinking meeting strangers on-line sounds sleazy so they won't admit it, and will try to put a more traditional spin on the truth.

I'm not sure it's a bad thing, but I actually think that any time spent seeking random walk-ups should be spent looking at the opportunities in online civy sites. A lot of the girls there are SB candidates that just will never be ready to be explicit enough about what they really want to join an SB site. I suspect if we are not able to control the prostitution stigma of sugar-dating, the good ones will end up gravitating back to civy sites anyway.

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(#2) Daytime Hotel Room solutions or alternative (if applicable to you):

A. If you have an SB you need to take to the FC in the morning or early afternoon, how do you go about it, particularly given the limitation that hotel check-ins are typically late afternoon?

B. Any other helpful tips or creative solutions, aside from a hotel or car date?[/QUOTE]I only meet in the morning or early afternoon (usually for 3 to 4 hours), and I have to be finished by late afternoon. What I generally do is make reservations online at multiple hotels (the number depending on day of week, other things going on in the locale, etc.). The morning of the day, I start calling the hotels to find out if they can accommodate early check-in. Once I find one that can, I cancel the remaining reservations. It is obviously important to make reservations only at places that allow you to cancel up until the afternoon / evening of arrival; otherwise you will be on the hook for the cost of the room even though you can't check in early enough for it to be of any use to you. This has always worked for me, except for my most recent outing, when all FOUR hotels were unable to accommodate me. I then called another nearby hotel that I had not initially reserved because their cancellation policy was 24 hours before check-in. They said they had empty rooms, so I just showed up there.

A more expensive option would be to rent the room for two nights and play on the morning after the first night. I can imagine a situation in which I might do that, but I've never had to do it. Another option if the FC visit is fairly early is to reserve the hotel for the night before and then get late check-out for the day of the FC festivities.

I also pay cash and use a credit card for "incidentals. " The statement for that card is one that my wife doesn't usually see, but I still wouldn't use it for the room except in case of emergency. Whatever charge they run for the deposit clears from the account after a while.

If you want to exclusively use cash without giving them a credit card at all, many places require a cash deposit that they will give back to you upon check-out. Since I usually leave the hotel a few hours after checking in, I would feel awkward going down and asking for my cash back. Some lower-end motels don't require a deposit at all, and I believe that some higher-end places will not accept a cash deposit, so if you plan to go that route, it would be advisable to check with them in advance about their policy.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3398512]A number of my POTs and SBs have told me their first arrangements were w / guys who just came up to them, not from getting on SA. After that arrangement ended, they were looking for similar options and found the site. I'd like to know about how to go about selecting prospects to target for this approach, among all of the PYTs walking the Earth, and what approaches work. Fish has discussed on the thread his approach to getting babies out of job applicants and gig workers. I've read a little from other people about having a business card printed up w / sugar info that they pass out. Still, if any of you have worked this play, I'd like to know chapter and verse. I see a lot of possibilities out in the world, and I'd like to not be dependent on my membership.[/QUOTE]There's an extensive discussion of this going back 5 years on another site. Very detailed and a lot of reports of success. Most who do this wouldn't even consider guys on here to be SDs. Most of what goes on here would be called "Hookers on retainer. " My definition of the SD / SB relationship isn't as strict as theirs, but I see their viewpoint.

Girls in the wild are not as jaded and most really don't have any idea of expectations. Most of the time allowances are not given directly as cash, but more in the form of paying bills or other types of help.

I'm currently trying to go this route more and have let my premium membership on SA expire. I've never had much "game", but being in the sugar world has boosted my confidence, so I'm giving it a go. SA has really turned into more pros and GPS and is getting harder and harder to find that diamond in the rough. I have had cards printed, but haven't given many out. I would be interested in starting a discussion of this here and see if any others are giving this a try.

Good hunting!

Travelin.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3399654]There's an extensive discussion of this going back 5 years on another site. Very detailed and a lot of reports of success. Most who do this wouldn't even consider guys on here to be SDs. Most of what goes on here would be called "Hookers on retainer. " My definition of the SD / SB relationship isn't as strict as theirs, but I see their viewpoint.

Girls in the wild are not as jaded and most really don't have any idea of expectations. Most of the time allowances are not given directly as cash, but more in the form of paying bills or other types of help.

I'm currently trying to go this route more and have let my premium membership on SA expire. I've never had much "game", but being in the sugar world has boosted my confidence, so I'm giving it a go. SA has really turned into more pros and GPS and is getting harder and harder to find that diamond in the rough. I have had cards printed, but haven't given many out. I would be interested in starting a discussion of this here and see if any others are giving this a try.

Good hunting!

Travelin.[/QUOTE]Good post and you're right on the money. Good for you to give it ago. Practice and time usually translate into success tho I ts slower. Also would you be able to provide a link to that discussion from another site. I would enjoy reading that. I have been a member of SA since 2015 and it's changed greatly for the worst in those 2 short years basically because any sex worker posting a profile is a sb. With the sex workers comes the johns. From 2010 to 2014 it was SD4 ME and by that time rit was pretty much done.