Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Akhilleus;5496189]Also, these are massage parlour women, not actual pros.[/QUOTE]So are you saying that AMP women are not able to be real pros? But if you call them over to your place or go to their hotel room then they are real pros? Can you please explain this to me because I really don't understand.

I have gotten some pretty poor service and even have been ripped off in the past by some of the escorts that did outcalls. I won't have any woman over to my place again because of my bad experiences in the past. Yuna has treated me very well so far and I have no reason to believe that she will rip me off in the future.

Just because she prefers the convenience of working in a amp does not make her a junk provider. I have seen some independent providers at their condos that are no where close to Yunas level of superior service.

In my experience, most sugar babies that I have been with including my Korean bar girl sugar babies are not real pros as their bedroom services are mostly at the civilian level of gfe and not even close to pse.

Are we seriously comparing escorts and AMP girls? Is there difference if they're getting paid to provide a service? How old are you guys? To the braddahs who are tipping above market value: kindly keep that between yourself and the girl. If you feel you should tip them more, so be it. That's your thing. It's not informative for the rest of us, it just proves that: 1) you got little more money to spend, 2) you're just plainly showing off, 3) you're probably a younger guy getting into this game, 4) you like looking like a fool, 5) SLAP!

The uncle in me is coming out (hahaha!) This debate feels more like it belongs in the "Like Beef Lolo" section.

Instead of comparing clams & oysters, we should be debating why girls are adopting new business models. (IE. The CC-girl model now segregates "FS" and "VIPS". FS is no longer what it used to mean, and VIPS is the new FS with a heftier price tag. Slowly, but surely I'm seeing more girls adopt this model. To put things in perspective, prices between a real girl and a mahu are the same now. Forgive me, I'm not a fan of escorts because of 2 reasons: 1) They play too much games & 2) their prices are CRAZY! I remember a time not too long ago when the standard fare and a good attitude got us everything. Now, its like Ubi / EA game models, everything is hidden behind a "pay-wall". So. Kudos to the ladies that still keepin' it real, the rest of them: f*ck them! Pussy is pussy.

[QUOTE=NightWing24;5497547]Are we seriously comparing escorts and AMP girls? Is there difference if they're getting paid to provide a service? How old are you guys? To the braddahs who are tipping above market value: kindly keep that between yourself and the girl. If you feel you should tip them more, so be it. That's your thing. It's not informative for the rest of us, it just proves that: 1) you got little more money to spend, 2) you're just plainly showing off, 3) you're probably a younger guy getting into this game, 4) you like looking like a fool, 5) SLAP!

The uncle in me is coming out (hahaha!) This debate feels more like it belongs in the "Like Beef Lolo" section.

Instead of comparing clams & oysters, we should be debating why girls are adopting new business models. (IE. The CC-girl model now segregates "FS" and "VIPS". FS is no longer what it used to mean, and VIPS is the new FS with a heftier price tag. Slowly, but surely I'm seeing more girls adopt this model. To put things in perspective, prices between a real girl and a mahu are the same now. Forgive me, I'm not a fan of escorts because of 2 reasons: 1) They play too much games & 2) their prices are CRAZY! I remember a time not too long ago when the standard fare and a good attitude got us everything. Now, its like Ubi / EA game models, everything is hidden behind a "pay-wall". So. Kudos to the ladies that still keepin' it real, the rest of them: f*ck them! Pussy is pussy.[/QUOTE]When I see the 1 hour pricing for escorts nowadays blows my mind. Average or slightly above-average w makeup for $600-1200/ hr. Because they position themselves as 'sophisticated'.

Unless it's one of my fav porn stars or something, 1 k+ a nut is um.

[QUOTE=HornyBoy13;5496741]Why would you want to give her more money? You know you're messing up the game for everybody else, right?[/QUOTE]Mongers already doing that at the Thai MT places. Hope you are not one of them since I see you posting in those threads. Even got guys overpaying in the SF thread. Not all the SF girls are worth 300 plus.

[QUOTE=NightWing24;5497547]Are we seriously comparing escorts and AMP girls? Is there difference if they're getting paid to provide a service? How old are you guys? To the braddahs who are tipping above market value: kindly keep that between yourself and the girl. If you feel you should tip them more, so be it. That's your thing. It's not informative for the rest of us, it just proves that: 1) you got little more money to spend, 2) you're just plainly showing off, 3) you're probably a younger guy getting into this game, 4) you like looking like a fool, 5) SLAP!

The uncle in me is coming out (hahaha!) This debate feels more like it belongs in the "Like Beef Lolo" section.

Instead of comparing clams & oysters, we should be debating why girls are adopting new business models. (IE. The CC-girl model now segregates "FS" and "VIPS". FS is no longer what it used to mean, and VIPS is the new FS with a heftier price tag. Slowly, but surely I'm seeing more girls adopt this model. To put things in perspective, prices between a real girl and a mahu are the same now. Forgive me, I'm not a fan of escorts because of 2 reasons: 1) They play too much games & 2) their prices are CRAZY! I remember a time not too long ago when the standard fare and a good attitude got us everything. Now, its like Ubi / EA game models, everything is hidden behind a "pay-wall". So. Kudos to the ladies that still keepin' it real, the rest of them: f*ck them! Pussy is pussy.[/QUOTE]Can I get a amen! Took the words right out of my mouth.

[QUOTE=PlantUrTulips;5497559]When I see the 1 hour pricing for escorts nowadays blows my mind. Average or slightly above-average w makeup for $600-1200/ hr. Because they position themselves as 'sophisticated'.

Unless it's one of my fav porn stars or something, 1 k+ a nut is um.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on that. At those prices you can get a Korean bar girl to go to bed with you for an all nighter.

[QUOTE=BoyWithLuv;5497593]Mongers already doing that at the Thai MT places. Hope you are not one of them since I see you posting in those threads. Even got guys overpaying in the SF thread. Not all the SF girls are worth 300 plus.[/QUOTE]I try not to not be one of them. But I was getting more of them that are asking to do HE at those inflated prices which I mostly decline or try to negotiate down. Makes my places go to more limited but I still get girls to do HE for $120 including the house fee. Don't know any girl now that still offers HE for $100 including house fee.

And if you seen my posts then you know that I have not been back to sunflower since February and I am boycotting that place for bad service at inflated prices. If I knew that I would get a girl that was all tens in looks, attitude, and service, I would be lining up for my appointments there. But since I don't read about that is happening then I just stay away.

I have been giving the girls a total of $200 for their tip and house fee. Most just take that but some tell me it will be $10 more next time.

Then there is Yuna. She is the complete package for me in regards to looks, attitude, and service with 10's across the board in my opinion. So since she is so much better than the rest, I tip her better to show my deep appreciation of her efforts. I can tell she puts herself into pleasing me unlike most girls out there.

[QUOTE=HornyBoy13;5496741]Why would you want to give her more money? You know you're messing up the game for everybody else, right?[/QUOTE]I don't know about the other guys, but I overtip when I want the better end of YMMV. It only works on repeat visits. When I provider knows she will make more money from you then another guy, she's likely to make room in her schedule for you and the menu may expand if you two click. The operative word is "click" that and "make more money. " From my understanding, that's how capitalism works. In Socialism everyone gets the same thing.

[QUOTE=RedBaron411;5498212]I don't know about the other guys, but I overtip when I want the better end of YMMV. It only works on repeat visits. When I provider knows she will make more money from you then another guy, she's likely to make room in her schedule for you and the menu may expand if you two click. The operative word is "click" that and "make more money. " From my understanding, that's how capitalism works. In Socialism everyone gets the same thing.[/QUOTE]Agreed iv gotten dinners out call weekend get aways with a couple of my favorites but it does get expensive.

[QUOTE=RedBaron411;5498212]I don't know about the other guys, but I overtip when I want the better end of YMMV. It only works on repeat visits. When I provider knows she will make more money from you then another guy, she's likely to make room in her schedule for you and the menu may expand if you two click. The operative word is "click" that and "make more money. " From my understanding, that's how capitalism works. In Socialism everyone gets the same thing.[/QUOTE]Providers take notes.

Cheap Charlie, you go to the bottom of the list with everyone else.

"Generous George" gets raised to the top of the list. Immediately. His number comes up on her Caller I'd, she's answering right now in the middle of a session with Cheap Charlie. Ha ha ha ha.

Sorry not sorry. But a girl has to earn a living too, right? I pay whatever the going rate is on somebody I do not know. If it was a spectacular session, and I think I'll return, I'll put some extra coin in her purse. Everyone gets what they pay for, usually. But for those girls that make me think I might be offered more, I'll be generous and offer an additional amount. "After" the session. Not before.

[QUOTE=MeCook;5498145]I try not to not be one of them. But I was getting more of them that are asking to do HE at those inflated prices which I mostly decline or try to negotiate down. Makes my places go to more limited but I still get girls to do HE for $120 including the house fee. Don't know any girl now that still offers HE for $100 including house fee.

And if you seen my posts then you know that I have not been back to sunflower since February and I am boycotting that place for bad service at inflated prices. If I knew that I would get a girl that was all tens in looks, attitude, and service, I would be lining up for my appointments there. But since I don't read about that is happening then I just stay away.

I have been giving the girls a total of $200 for their tip and house fee. Most just take that but some tell me it will be $10 more next time.

Then there is Yuna. She is the complete package for me in regards to looks, attitude, and service with 10's across the board in my opinion. So since she is so much better than the rest, I tip her better to show my deep appreciation of her efforts. I can tell she puts herself into pleasing me unlike most girls out there.[/QUOTE]I guess you are no different from everyone else when getting better service and tipping extra.

[QUOTE=RedBaron411;5498212]I don't know about the other guys, but I overtip when I want the better end of YMMV. It only works on repeat visits. When I provider knows she will make more money from you then another guy, she's likely to make room in her schedule for you and the menu may expand if you two click. The operative word is "click" that and "make more money. " From my understanding, that's how capitalism works. In Socialism everyone gets the same thing.[/QUOTE]And even chance for sex to some guys may never exist. Cause prostitution is the very "capitalism" thing.

And there will be no reason for providers to try to improve their looks or service.

Why do some spend 1 k for donation? His money his choice.

Why do some give 20 dollars tip for taxi drive in Christmas day when his taxi fee is only 10 dollars? Cause his money and he wants to show special thanks in holiday.

Why do some insist shitty airlines when there is amazine hawaiian airlines? His money his choice.

[QUOTE=Prudential808;5498328]
And there will be no reason for providers to try to improve their looks or service.

Why do some spend 1 k for donation? His money his choice.

Why do some give 20 dollars tip for taxi drive in Christmas day when his taxi fee is only 10 dollars? Cause his money and he wants to show special thanks in holiday.[/QUOTE]I am one to tip higher on good service. But if they demand a higher tip without me experiencing their service first I will most likely decline their requests or not even book an appointment.

So I would give the taxi driver a $20 tip on a $10 fare to show my appreciation for the driver being available for me on a holiday. But if driver thinks that I owe him a $20 tip then I might not tip him at all. All about attitude and service.

Some providers are out there doing the least that they can do with shorting me on time and playing with their phones and they expect for me to pay a higher price for that? No thank you. Again that is why I don't visit sunflower anymore. And it is also why I tip Yuna above market rates. It is about attitude and service.

I feel that if they take care of me well then I should in turn take care of them well too. The ones with poor service I definitely try to avoid. Some are overpriced even at the "standard rates".

[QUOTE=UnHoly;5491335]I think that in my life I have done over 200 ladies. Bangkok, Manila, etc.

Yuna has the best technique, best talent and is very sweet.

Yep, and like some of you guys said, she got a body just like Kobe Tai. Her VG is better than the old Ruby from CHM, sucks better than the old Monica, and does it all with a smile and wanting to please and do whatever you want. She is better than a porn star. Wow![/QUOTE]I was reviewing the posts on this thread and just saw this post for the first time. I concur with the Unholy one about Yuna. I don't know who Kobe tai is but Yuna is the best provider that I have ever been with. I have lost count of my number of providers but it is well past 200 women and that was many years ago.

Yuna definitely is the best in all of my experiences and that is with many many different providers over many decades of mongering. Sugar is very good as well but she is not around at the present. They make a great pair for a three some. I hope to be able to do that again with them sometime soon.

Most of the time I feel it is better to have sessions with one girl instead of two but these two work very well together.

[QUOTE=MeCook;5498843]I was reviewing the posts on this thread and just saw this post for the first time. I concur with the Unholy one about Yuna. I don't know who Kobe tai is but Yuna is the best provider that I have ever been with. I have lost count of my number of providers but it is well past 200 women and that was many years ago.

Yuna definitely is the best in all of my experiences and that is with many many different providers over many decades of mongering. Sugar is very good as well but she is not around at the present. They make a great pair for a three some. I hope to be able to do that again with them sometime soon.

Most of the time I feel it is better to have sessions with one girl instead of two but these two work very well together.[/QUOTE]Is this the same bleached blonde Yuna from Angel Relaxation? She's back in island?

[QUOTE=MeCook;5498843]I was reviewing the posts on this thread and just saw this post for the first time. I concur with the Unholy one about Yuna. I don't know who Kobe tai is but Yuna is the best provider that I have ever been with. I have lost count of my number of providers but it is well past 200 women and that was many years ago.

Yuna definitely is the best in all of my experiences and that is with many many different providers over many decades of mongering. Sugar is very good as well but she is not around at the present. They make a great pair for a three some. I hope to be able to do that again with them sometime soon.

Most of the time I feel it is better to have sessions with one girl instead of two but these two work very well together.[/QUOTE]Kobe Tai was the porn star of the late 90's to early 2000's. Try look her up, you'll see the similarities.

[QUOTE=Pumpking;5499016]Kobe Tai was the porn star of the late 90's to early 2000's. Try look her up, you'll see the similarities.[/QUOTE]IMHO they look super alike! Kinda think the only way you could really tell them apart is when they talk.

[QUOTE=Botoman;5498979]Is this the same bleached blonde Yuna from Angel Relaxation? She's back in island?[/QUOTE]Yes. She is same one from Angel.

[QUOTE=MeCook;5499202]Yes. She is same one from Angel.[/QUOTE]Which spa Yuna stay at now?

[QUOTE=Botoman;5499217]Which spa Yuna stay at now?[/QUOTE]She is back at happiness.

[QUOTE=Pumpking;5499016]Kobe Tai was the porn star of the late 90's to early 2000's. Try look her up, you'll see the similarities.[/QUOTE]I see that now. And I do get a porn star experience every time I see Yuna too. Simply unbelievable after all my years of mongering, She is still teaching me new things that I have never experienced before. I enjoy my private lessons with her. She is a nice teacher.

[QUOTE=Pumpking;5499016]Kobe Tai was the porn star of the late 90's to early 2000's. Try look her up, you'll see the similarities.[/QUOTE]I see that now. And I do get a porn star experience every time I see Yuna too. Simply unbelievable after all my years of mongering, She is still teaching me new things that I have never experienced before. I enjoy my private lessons. She is a nice teacher.

[QUOTE=Darkman808;5498315]Providers take notes.

Cheap Charlie, you go to the bottom of the list with everyone else.

"Generous George" gets raised to the top of the list. Immediately. His number comes up on her Caller I'd, she's answering right now in the middle of a session with Cheap Charlie. Ha ha ha ha.

Sorry not sorry. But a girl has to earn a living too, right? I pay whatever the going rate is on somebody I do not know. If it was a spectacular session, and I think I'll return, I'll put some extra coin in her purse. Everyone gets what they pay for, usually. But for those girls that make me think I might be offered more, I'll be generous and offer an additional amount. "After" the session. Not before.[/QUOTE]So right now some rich, lovesick lvb reading all this and thinking "that one good idea". So you having one session and all of a sudden YOU get bumped because some lvb decided to pay way more then you. He figured you maybe paid $ extra. So to him he figure if he pay more, say $$ tip; he going be VIP and maybe other extras too. So maybe the next time you see that provider, she Goin expect you for pay more. So now everything fucked up and we paying more. Why? Because it was "suggested" that if you pay way more, you Goin be VIP / special. I agree if the provider is top notch (Yuna, Lemon / Nara) then I try and give a little more.

[QUOTE=MeCook;5499225]She is back at happiness.[/QUOTE]Have you had a chance to go back and see her yet?

[QUOTE=GofasBits;5499056]IMHO they look super alike! Kinda think the only way you could really tell them apart is when they talk.[/QUOTE]The only difference is 1 is Taiwanese and the other Korean.

This is my take on the Best of the Best.

1. Best porn star experience. Yuna at Happiness.

2. Best pussy experience. Sugar formerly of happiness now in Las Vegas.

3. Best dead fish experience with a gilf- Angie formerly of amana st now at C. C.

4. Best dead fish experience with a girl under 30 - way too many of them.

5. Best young Chinese with questionable hygiene and service. Many to choose from at sunflower and huniwell.

6. Best BJ. I don't know of any in town I did have two though. I have seen girls that live in Texas one Vietnamese and another one that was Korean that delivered outstanding bjs. But nothing here worth mentioning.

7. Best nurturing experience- probably Jayy at tonbo.

8. Best running ads with fake photos, shorting on time, and playing with phone. Shiho, Cindy, or whatever else she calls herself. Currently on the second floor by Angel Relaxation.

9. Best table shower experience. Suji from Roses now at Happiness.

10. Best provider that has uncontrollable orgasms- Cherry from Golden Butterfly, now married with a daughter.

Is Happiness open? According to Rubmaps they're closed.

[QUOTE=KonaSurfer;5500090]Is Happiness open? According to Rubmaps they're closed.[/QUOTE]I guess you should believe rubmaps about happiness and not your fellow mongers that have been posting about happiness. Then that will save you a trip to check out if their sign is on or not. And if you call their number someone might answer the phone. They might tell you if they are closed or not.

I think you might be able to get an appointment at Blue Star. They might be open.

You better not try sunflower because they dont have a open sign.

[QUOTE=CheapCharlie;5499342]So right now some rich, lovesick lvb reading all this and thinking "that one good idea". So you having one session and all of a sudden YOU get bumped because some lvb decided to pay way more then you. He figured you maybe paid $ extra. So to him he figure if he pay more, say $$ tip; he going be VIP and maybe other extras too. So maybe the next time you see that provider, she Goin expect you for pay more. So now everything fucked up and we paying more. Why? Because it was "suggested" that if you pay way more, you Goin be VIP / special. I agree if the provider is top notch (Yuna, Lemon / Nara) then I try and give a little more.[/QUOTE]First you get all buss' up cause I "suggested" paying more.

I didn't suggest it. I merely pointed out what some mongers have been doing forever. As seen here on this board.

But den, after you said all that, you admit that you "give a little more".

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Can't make this stuff up!

No worries, far too many pake guys on here for the basic system too blow up.

I've been mongering for many years. As far back as I can remember, it's been $50 HF and $150 tip to girl at most AMP.

In more recent years, $200 for tip.

With AMPs closed during LE raids, then COVID, the laws of supply and demand kicked in. Girls doing HJ's only trying to grab that kala guys would ordinarily pay at an AMP. That strategy was almost working. Almost.

But many guys saying "no" and go home blue balls.

Now, AMPs are returning, slowly. So mongers now get more options again.

Bruddahs can relax.

Pretty soon the HJ girls will be back to old time regular rates as more guys go back to the AMPs again. As girls get more comfortable with the relaxed LE scene here, more AMPs (and familiar girls) will return.

[QUOTE=Darkman808;5500392]First you get all buss' up cause I "suggested" paying more.

I didn't suggest it. I merely pointed out what some mongers have been doing forever. As seen here on this board.

But den, after you said all that, you admit that you "give a little more".

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Can't make this stuff up!

No worries, far too many pake guys on here for the basic system too blow up.

I've been mongering for many years. As far back as I can remember, it's been $50 HF and $150 tip to girl at most AMP.

In more recent years, $200 for tip.

With AMPs closed during LE raids, then COVID, the laws of supply and demand kicked in. Girls doing HJ's only trying to grab that kala guys would ordinarily pay at an AMP. That strategy was almost working. Almost.

But many guys saying "no" and go home blue balls.

Now, AMPs are returning, slowly. So mongers now get more options again.

Bruddahs can relax.

Pretty soon the HJ girls will be back to old time regular rates as more guys go back to the AMPs again. As girls get more comfortable with the relaxed LE scene here, more AMPs (and familiar girls) will return.[/QUOTE]What I understood CheapCharlie was saying was don't be tipping big and expect a secret service menu to appear. Just give the girl a bigger tip if you appreciate what the has done for you. Period. No strings attached.

[QUOTE=MeCook;5500355]I guess you should believe rubmaps about happiness and not your fellow mongers that have been posting about happiness. Then that will save you a trip to check out if their sign is on or not. And if you call their number someone might answer the phone. They might tell you if they are closed or not.

I think you might be able to get an appointment at Blue Star. They might be open.

You better not try sunflower because they dont have a open sign.[/QUOTE]Mahalo! Point well taken.

[QUOTE=MeCook;5500633]What I understood CheapCharlie was saying was don't be tipping big and expect a secret service menu to appear. Just give the girl a bigger tip if you appreciate what the has done for you. Period. No strings attached.[/QUOTE]Thanks man, appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Darkman808;5500392]First you get all buss' up cause I "suggested" paying more.

I didn't suggest it. I merely pointed out what some mongers have been doing forever. As seen here on this board.

But den, after you said all that, you admit that you "give a little more".

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Can't make this stuff up!

No worries, far too many pake guys on here for the basic system too blow up.

I've been mongering for many years. As far back as I can remember, it's been $50 HF and $150 tip to girl at most AMP.

In more recent years, $200 for tip.

With AMPs closed during LE raids, then COVID, the laws of supply and demand kicked in. Girls doing HJ's only trying to grab that kala guys would ordinarily pay at an AMP. That strategy was almost working. Almost.

But many guys saying "no" and go home blue balls.

Now, AMPs are returning, slowly. So mongers now get more options again.

Bruddahs can relax.

Pretty soon the HJ girls will be back to old time regular rates as more guys go back to the AMPs again. As girls get more comfortable with the relaxed LE scene here, more AMPs (and familiar girls) will return.[/QUOTE]I never get "buss up" I just agreed with what Nightwing said.

[QUOTE=Darkman808;5500392]Now, AMPs are returning, slowly. So mongers now get more options again.

Bruddahs can relax.

Pretty soon the HJ girls will be back to old time regular rates as more guys go back to the AMPs again. As girls get more comfortable with the relaxed LE scene here, more AMPs (and familiar girls) will return.[/QUOTE]AMP's are not returning slowly. If you're using Happiness as an example of AMP's returning, not a good one as Happy only reopened because she needs things payed off. She's still not supposed to be doing what she's doing based on what happened before. So definitely she's taking a huge risk especially at the same location.

[QUOTE=Botoman;5499217]Which spa Yuna stay at now?[/QUOTE]Aloha gents,

Could anyone share (DM is fine) where Yuna is? Would love to try. Mahalo in advanced.

[QUOTE=RiverRaid;5501592]AMP's are not returning slowly. If you're using Happiness as an example of AMP's returning, not a good one as Happy only reopened because she needs things payed off. She's still not supposed to be doing what she's doing based on what happened before. So definitely she's taking a huge risk especially at the same location.[/QUOTE]The last time I went on the court website, it showed that Happy's case was dismissed. She should be careful, but I don't think she's under any restrictions.

[QUOTE=RiverRaid;5501592]AMP's are not returning slowly. If you're using Happiness as an example of AMP's returning, not a good one as Happy only reopened because she needs things payed off. She's still not supposed to be doing what she's doing based on what happened before. So definitely she's taking a huge risk especially at the same location.[/QUOTE]Your comment is about one place. There are others that are in business right now. Read this board more. Business is picking up more today than at the worst of the shutdown back in mid 2020.

[QUOTE=Darkman808;5502002]Your comment is about one place. There are others that are in business right now. Read this board more. Business is picking up more today than at the worst of the shutdown back in mid 2020.[/QUOTE]Obviously since we are not in lock down like last year and yes there are a few players back or coming back (Happiness, Vanilla, Pali house) but what else? I don't count the Thai MT places or any MT places as AMP's even though some do AMP service (for super high prices) and I don't count the usual CC, EC, or CS places as that's a given those places will always have new one's popping up (many with hit or miss services as well or bait and switch). I don't see the Rejuve's, Roses, Nabi, Nirvana, Empire, etc coming back.

Sunflower is one of the more successful one's that came back and is doing well but I remember you had a rant on them or at least one of their providers.

[QUOTE=Lknfrpssy;5501948]The last time I went on the court website, it showed that Happy's case was dismissed. She should be careful, but I don't think she's under any restrictions.[/QUOTE]But she and all the indicted still need to be careful.

If they get raided again, previous charge must affect next. Especially in Hawaii.

Actually there is NO "100% safety" in this business. At your own risk, this is always true.

[QUOTE=RiverRaid;5502105] ... I don't count the Thai MT places or any MT places as AMP's even though some do AMP service (for super high prices) and I don't count the usual CC, EC, or CS places as that's a given those places will always have new one's popping up (many with hit or miss services as well). I don't see the Rejuve's, Roses, Nabi, Nirvana, Empire, etc coming back.[/QUOTE]Well you can "count" whatever YOU want to. Good for you.

Meanwhile, you just said yourself, there are places to get what you want, if you want to part with your money. If you don't, then you don't get any. Right?