"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3372770]Brothers, I have a task I need assistance with. I have a new SB, a slavic name, 20's smoking hot spinner I've posted on. Back in the FC again today. All the info I have on her is her GV #, but I was able to get her license plate this morning. I'd guess there is a way to get info on her this way through a private investigator, but of course want to take the path of least resistance (and cost). Feel free to PM.[/QUOTE]I posted earlier I think about a website that was useless for this task. I stumbled upon an alternative that works, however. It costs a pretty penny, $40 per license plate search, but I did just run one and got the full name of one of my SBs, enabling me to get her FB. I don't necessarily want to supply info on what site that is exactly to the world, as 'the world' could include some SBs reading this post as well. I don't want them tracking down our brothers. However, I can share if you PM me.

I felt there was no alternative to using my real identity to getting the membership on this search site, but I did pay using a reloadable pre-paid debit card, so there's very little paper trail.

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;3381010]I have been in the bowl for the last three years and have been amazed by the new vistas it opens up. I am in my mid-60's and have to confess that I've been having the best sex of my life with women 1/3 to 1/2 my age. Because I am married, I am limited to discreet meetings in hotels and have never tried to meet a baby when I'm traveling. A few weeks from now, I'm going to be going to a far-away city where I won't be so constrained and was thinking that it would be nice to meet up with an SB with the idea (well, my idea, anyway) of taking her to a very nice restaurant and then hoping to take her back to my hotel.

I'm at a bit of a loss in figuring out how to approach girls and also which ones to approach. I can't offer more than a one-time thing, because although I occasionally go to that city, I'm generally with my wife when I do so. I assume that it would be easier if I could dangle recurrent visits, but I can't really do that in good faith. So, I have to make clear that this is a one-time thing (or at least be careful not to seem like I'm promising more than that), which makes it hard to approach someone without offending her and making it seem like I am treating her as an escort. On the other hand, I don't want her to think that I JUST want a dinner companion. So, I'm having trouble figuring out how to approach a woman.

I'm also having trouble figuring out which women to approach. The choice seems to boil down to: 1) approaching the same women I would approach if I were trying to set up a long-term arrangement. These would be women who are educated or on their way to being educated and are people I think would be interesting dinner companions but perhaps far less than sure things to take back to the FC; or 2) approaching women who might be less educated, perhaps single mothers, who even if nice people might be less than enchanting dinner companions (and perhaps out of their element at a nice restaurant) but perhaps more of a sure thing to get to the FC because they may be more highly motivated by the money.

That leads me to the next thing, which is how to make it clear (or at least clear enough) that I am offering more than just a free meal if the night goes well.

Anyway, it seems that finding a Road Baby presents some different challenges from finding one close to home. If anyone has any advice, I would love to hear it.[/QUOTE]Dude. Been there, done that, in the past month or so. There's a few important posts from F Scott and BikeRider on this score. Just look back on the thread.

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;3381010]I have been in the bowl for the last three years and have been amazed by the new vistas it opens up. I am in my mid-60's and have to confess that I've been having the best sex of my life with women 1/3 to 1/2 my age. Because I am married, I am limited to discreet meetings in hotels and have never tried to meet a baby when I'm traveling. A few weeks from now, I'm going to be going to a far-away city where I won't be so constrained and was thinking that it would be nice to meet up with an SB with the idea (well, my idea, anyway) of taking her to a very nice restaurant and then hoping to take her back to my hotel.

I'm at a bit of a loss in figuring out how to approach girls and also which ones to approach. I can't offer more than a one-time thing, because although I occasionally go to that city, I'm generally with my wife when I do so. I assume that it would be easier if I could dangle recurrent visits, but I can't really do that in good faith. So, I have to make clear that this is a one-time thing (or at least be careful not to seem like I'm promising more than that), which makes it hard to approach someone without offending her and making it seem like I am treating her as an escort. On the other hand, I don't want her to think that I JUST want a dinner companion. So, I'm having trouble figuring out how to approach a woman.

I'm also having trouble figuring out which women to approach. The choice seems to boil down to: 1) approaching the same women I would approach if I were trying to set up a long-term arrangement. These would be women who are educated or on their way to being educated and are people I think would be interesting dinner companions but perhaps far less than sure things to take back to the FC; or 2) approaching women who might be less educated, perhaps single mothers, who even if nice people might be less than enchanting dinner companions (and perhaps out of their element at a nice restaurant) but perhaps more of a sure thing to get to the FC because they may be more highly motivated by the money.

That leads me to the next thing, which is how to make it clear (or at least clear enough) that I am offering more than just a free meal if the night goes well.

Anyway, it seems that finding a Road Baby presents some different challenges from finding one close to home. If anyone has any advice, I would love to hear it.[/QUOTE]I've been on SA for a couple months and can't get a bite. Can't figure out what I must be doing wrong. LOL.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3381262]Dude. Been there, done that, in the past month or so. There's a few important posts from F Scott and BikeRider on this score. Just look back on the thread.[/QUOTE]Thanks, FFA. I had seen those posts. In fact, they were what caused me to think about looking while on the road. They were very helpful, but I thought I'd troll for even more insight.

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;3381010]I have been in the bowl for the last three years and have been amazed by the new vistas it opens up. I am in my mid-60's and have to confess that I've been having the best sex of my life with women 1/3 to 1/2 my age. Because I am married, I am limited to discreet meetings in hotels and have never tried to meet a baby when I'm traveling. A few weeks from now, I'm going to be going to a far-away city where I won't be so constrained and was thinking that it would be nice to meet up with an SB with the idea (well, my idea, anyway) of taking her to a very nice restaurant and then hoping to take her back to my hotel.

I'm at a bit of a loss in figuring out how to approach girls and also which ones to approach. I can't offer more than a one-time thing, because although I occasionally go to that city, I'm generally with my wife when I do so. I assume that it would be easier if I could dangle recurrent visits, but I can't really do that in good faith. So, I have to make clear that this is a one-time thing (or at least be careful not to seem like I'm promising more than that), which makes it hard to approach someone without offending her and making it seem like I am treating her as an escort. On the other hand, I don't want her to think that I JUST want a dinner companion. So, I'm having trouble figuring out how to approach a woman.

I'm also having trouble figuring out which women to approach. The choice seems to boil down to: 1) approaching the same women I would approach if I were trying to set up a long-term arrangement. These would be women who are educated or on their way to being educated and are people I think would be interesting dinner companions but perhaps far less than sure things to take back to the FC; or 2) approaching women who might be less educated, perhaps single mothers, who even if nice people might be less than enchanting dinner companions (and perhaps out of their element at a nice restaurant) but perhaps more of a sure thing to get to the FC because they may be more highly motivated by the money.

That leads me to the next thing, which is how to make it clear (or at least clear enough) that I am offering more than just a free meal if the night goes well.

Anyway, it seems that finding a Road Baby presents some different challenges from finding one close to home. If anyone has any advice, I would love to hear it.[/QUOTE]I was hoping to be able to contribute something useful, since I'm strictly a traveling SD, don't play close to home, so what you described you want to do in your first paragraph is exactly what I do (well, sometimes the date involves more than dinner but that's not a requirement. Sometimes its no dinner, a couple of drinks at the hotel bar, then off to the FC). However the more I read the more I think I don't fully understand your question.

It seems like you normally play close to home, but do so in a way that gives you peace of mind that you won't get caught. You'd like to date SBs in a city you visit regularly with the SO, so you want the same peace of mind. I'm not clear on what would be any different? Whatever is preventing you from getting caught in your home city would probably be even more effective toward same in a city that you only occasionally visit, so I would just do the same thing but make it clear to the SB that your availability is dependent on your visits to that city. Everything else stays the same. Just don't take the wife to a restaurant where she waits tables or whatever.

Or did I misunderstand the question?

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;3381010]I have been in the bowl for the last three years and have been amazed by the new vistas it opens up. I am in my mid-60's and have to confess that I've been having the best sex of my life with women 1/3 to 1/2 my age. Because I am married, I am limited to discreet meetings in hotels and have never tried to meet a baby when I'm traveling. A few weeks from now, I'm going to be going to a far-away city where I won't be so constrained and was thinking that it would be nice to meet up with an SB with the idea (well, my idea, anyway) of taking her to a very nice restaurant and then hoping to take her back to my hotel.

I'm at a bit of a loss in figuring out how to approach girls and also which ones to approach. I can't offer more than a one-time thing, because although I occasionally go to that city, I'm generally with my wife when I do so. I assume that it would be easier if I could dangle recurrent visits, but I can't really do that in good faith. So, I have to make clear that this is a one-time thing (or at least be careful not to seem like I'm promising more than that), which makes it hard to approach someone without offending her and making it seem like I am treating her as an escort. On the other hand, I don't want her to think that I JUST want a dinner companion. So, I'm having trouble figuring out how to approach a woman..[/QUOTE]Plenty of utr girls on sa that should fulfill what you're looking for since you're looking for a one time thing. Plenty of the girls that run a rotation the way the guys do that could squeeze you in. These girls know the score and don't require the effort that a sb would require. These girls will work something out online with you or do the traditional m / g and go from there. If your going to a city that has a sb thread go there and ask for advice or a reference or read the reviews that they have posted. Finding a one nighter is simple.

Started with three Ben Franklins with an SB after a couple of meetings I lowered it to two and after a few more hookups I texted that it has to be reduced to just one in response to her text about how much she enjoyed being with me and cannot wait to get together again but did not hear from her againoh well!

I've used a different approach. After I've had a great time with an SB that I'm confident she enjoyed too, I will tell her I would love to see her, but my budget was limited for various reasons. Sometimes, I get the "let me know when you have the money again", but I'm surprised how often I get "that okay, I really just enjoyed time with you and you can help what you can". I always make them feel like they are worth more than I can afford. It helps if I make them feel valued even if I can't a afford the "full value".

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3381683]Started with three Ben Franklins with an SB after a couple of meetings I lowered it to two and after a few more hookups I texted that it has to be reduced to just one in response to her text about how much she enjoyed being with me and cannot wait to get together again but did not hear from her againoh well![/QUOTE]

There are definitely some good advice posts on contacting road babies earlier in the thread. In particular, see post #8869 by TravelinSD and #13562 by F Scott.

I've got an extended trip coming up next week. Did research to pick out possibilities who had been online recently, narrowed things down a bit, and sent a message to a bunch of them (with a few personalizations based on stated interests). Thus far, I've had all but a couple of them view it, and a slightly surprising 25% hit rate for responses and interest. For what it's worth, here's approximately what I sent out:

"Hi. I travel to CITY frequently for work, and will be out there again soon. I can't be your full-time SD, but I think we can have some fun whenever I'm there. I'd be happy to do dinner to discuss things or just get together to enjoy ourselves, and if we do spend time together, I'll provide some spending money. Take a look at my profile, and if that sounds like something you'd be interested in, let me know. ".

This is showing an improved response over the previous message I'd tried, which didn't discuss dinner and just said "we could have some fun together". Also have a few other POTs who didn't see my previous message until after I'd returned home, and expressed interest. So, plenty of POTs, and we'll see how this trip turns out.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3379599][URL]http://amp.nj.com/v1/articles/20619452/man_charged_with_harassing_woman_he_met_on_dating.ampsugar[/URL][/QUOTE]Assuming her version is the truth I hope the guy gets convicted and hung out to dry.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3381422]I was hoping to be able to contribute something useful, since I'm strictly a traveling SD, don't play close to home, so what you described you want to do in your first paragraph is exactly what I do (well, sometimes the date involves more than dinner but that's not a requirement. Sometimes its no dinner, a couple of drinks at the hotel bar, then off to the FC). However the more I read the more I think I don't fully understand your question.

It seems like you normally play close to home, but do so in a way that gives you peace of mind that you won't get caught. You'd like to date SBs in a city you visit regularly with the SO, so you want the same peace of mind. I'm not clear on what would be any different? Whatever is preventing you from getting caught in your home city would probably be even more effective toward same in a city that you only occasionally visit, so I would just do the same thing but make it clear to the SB that your availability is dependent on your visits to that city. Everything else stays the same. Just don't take the wife to a restaurant where she waits tables or whatever.

Or did I misunderstand the question?[/QUOTE]You understood the question; I just didn't explain the facts very well. When my wife and I are in the distant city, we are just there for a few hours to get a car and a meal before we drive to our destination about 150 miles away. So, we are just passing through, really, and it only happens no more than once a year. That's why I think that the risk is virtually nonexistent. I just mentioned the part about telling POTs that I was occasionally in the city, but encumbered, as a way of perhaps subtly indicating that there's always the possibility that I might be there again (or at least familiarity with the locale). But, as I said, I can't legitimately hold future meetings out as an option, because it's unlikely that I will be there on my own to do a repeat. It's the one-time nature of the thing that causes my concern.

The reason that I can't do what I usually do at home is that at home I make clear that I want an ongoing arrangement as opposed to a one-time thing. The babies I have found that way would not, I'm pretty sure, have been interested if I had gone in with the explicit intention of not seeing them again. I guess what I was most interested in getting input on is how (or even whether it's possible) to attract the kind of baby that I'm used to when all I can offer is a fancy dinner (and, implicitly, at least, some cash and me) on a one-time basis. My goal is more than getting laid. I'm almost certain that I could find a UTR to spend a few hours with. On the other hand, I really enjoy the companionship of an interesting young woman and like to eat at fancy restaurants. The typical UTR is probably out of her element in that kind of setting. I thought that this would be an opportunity to actually have the kind of "date" that I'm not able to have at home.

It may be that the criteria that I am laying out work at cross-purposes, such that what I am looking for is impossible to find.

[QUOTE=LoVecchio;3382333]You understood the question; I just didn't explain the facts very well. When my wife and I are in the distant city, we are just there for a few hours to get a car and a meal before we drive to our destination about 150 miles away. So, we are just passing through, really, and it only happens no more than once a year. That's why I think that the risk is virtually nonexistent. I just mentioned the part about telling POTs that I was occasionally in the city, but encumbered, as a way of perhaps subtly indicating that there's always the possibility that I might be there again (or at least familiarity with the locale). But, as I said, I can't legitimately hold future meetings out as an option, because it's unlikely that I will be there on my own to do a repeat. It's the one-time nature of the thing that causes my concern.

The reason that I can't do what I usually do at home is that at home I make clear that I want an ongoing arrangement as opposed to a one-time thing. The babies I have found that way would not, I'm pretty sure, have been interested if I had gone in with the explicit intention of not seeing them again. I guess what I was most interested in getting input on is how (or even whether it's possible) to attract the kind of baby that I'm used to when all I can offer is a fancy dinner (and, implicitly, at least, some cash and me) on a one-time basis. My goal is more than getting laid. I'm almost certain that I could find a UTR to spend a few hours with. On the other hand, I really enjoy the companionship of an interesting young woman and like to eat at fancy restaurants. The typical UTR is probably out of her element in that kind of setting. I thought that this would be an opportunity to actually have the kind of "date" that I'm not able to have at home.

It may be that the criteria that I am laying out work at cross-purposes, such that what I am looking for is impossible to find.[/QUOTE]I think I understand the issue now, you are fairly certain you won't be passing through this town without the wife again any time in coming months is that correct? If so, that is a bit different than my situation.

What I would probably do in that particular case, assuming you have enough time before the trip and are willing to exert a little extra effort, is to cast a wide net with the mindset you are "placing an ad" for a companion for one spectacular night. When I say cast a wide net, not only start sending a standard "fishing" message to girls in that city on SA, but also place an ad on Craigslist about what you're looking for (never know what you might find), also maybe 2-3 other SD sites. I've never used WYP but it sounds perfect for your needs? You can just place an emphasis on classy / educated or whatever you're looking for in your requirements. It might take a bit more work (thus not a good plan for a last minute hook up) but you can find some real gems this way. You might find a girl that's never been an SB at all but is intrigued by the idea. The fact that sex is a secondary goal for you actually works in your favor here.

Also, I don't have much experience with UTRs or pros, but there are escorts out there that cater to upscale clientele, some of which I'm sure are capable of being interesting companions and are right at home in fancy restaurants.

I have had a few years experience on S. A. And I have found it to be a win, win situation for me and my S. B. s. I practice a few ground rules that have worked so far for me. 1 Under no circumstances do I tell them my real name. 2. I use a throw away walmart refillable phone I never use my regular phone. 3- Under no circumstances do I tell them my real name. I try to think with the big head as much as possible when I'm with a S. B. 4 - I don't wine and dine them ever. Many of them don't want to be seen in public, could create a lot of questions if a friend or family member see them. Maybe a coffee shop for the first meeting, after that its a private location or onto another potential S. B. There was mention of a girl named Summer in an earlier post, she attempted to blackmail one of us. I saw her about 3 months ago she was a normal pro. If they don't get personal info on you they can't blackmail you. , These S. B. s are smarter than we think sometimes, it is about the money. There are more and more pros, getting on S. A. , they do stand out, too quick to meet and they usually are available day or evening. Good hunting. One side note for anyone who has a significant other who is suspicious of your activities. Verizon has a new device called hum, it attaches to the computer port under the dash of your car and you can download an app on your phone to follow that car. I just found about it yesterday this could be old news to some, it was new to me. Beware.

This is a common thing they say to make you feel special and to squeeze you for what you do have.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3381683]Started with three Ben Franklins with an SB after a couple of meetings I lowered it to two and after a few more hookups I texted that it has to be reduced to just one in response to her text about how much she enjoyed being with me and cannot wait to get together again but did not hear from her againoh well![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3380260]I went to my granddaughter's college graduation this weekend. As I am looking around, all I keep thinking is.
That blonde could be my baby.
That gorgeous hot thing could have me as her daddy.
That redhead is probably a wildcat freak in the sack.

The amount of young ass and boob's on display was phenomenal.

Thank God we were outside and I had sunglasses on.[/QUOTE]Tis the season, and sunglasses are definitely required!