"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3376600]I noticed that some SA Profiles are plainly escorts-and pretty much say so. In my area there are 3 profiles on the 1st 2 pages that state"hookups" and some alluding to sexual pleasuring. I am worried that this blatant BP and CL -like activity will attract the attention of LE. These girls could clearly become sting targets. Anyone else notice this?[/QUOTE]These girls are joining in numbers and its going to happen especially once someone reports getting robbed or worse. Girls won't be the only ones targeted as the ratio of guys to women are greater. There are more guys who's first message is How much? The only problem with a sting with either it usually takes time and the results for the time required is usually not worth while.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3376600]I noticed that some SA Profiles are plainly escorts-and pretty much say so. In my area there are 3 profiles on the 1st 2 pages that state"hookups" and some alluding to sexual pleasuring. I am worried that this blatant BP and CL -like activity will attract the attention of LE. These girls could clearly become sting targets. Anyone else notice this?[/QUOTE]There has been a pretty significant discussion of this on this thread in the past week. Just look back a few pages. JZLizard has I think the best analysis of why these girls threaten the bowl. I'd recommend reporting them to SA when you see the profiles, and especially when you message w / someone who blatantly offers sex for $. True, it could be a whack-a-mole exercise, but what's the alternative? We also need to take care in how we behave ourselves, and encourage other guys who post on these sugar threads to think a little deeper before they treat SA girls like BP girls. If escorts can't find johns on SA, they won't be on it and then we preserve our special lifestyle.

I can't emphasize enough how unique the bowl is. I just M&G w / a 27 YO single mom. Has always liked older guys, doesn't date b / c the locals aren't serious, tall, beautiful high cheekbones, I immediately found her FB so I've seen many great pix, she's got a fantastic set. Very matter-of-fact, straightforward. Loves sex, is employed, has a credit card, will get the room and agreed to a flat fee for sugar / room, reducing my risk greatly. I'm projecting I know, but from kissing her at the M&G, I think she's going to be great in bed. What's anything available that is comparable to this??

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3376600]I noticed that some SA Profiles are plainly escorts-and pretty much say so. In my area there are 3 profiles on the 1st 2 pages that state"hookups" and some alluding to sexual pleasuring. I am worried that this blatant BP and CL -like activity will attract the attention of LE. These girls could clearly become sting targets. Anyone else notice this?[/QUOTE]What I am noticing down in my Raleigh-Durham bowl is an uptick of "car dates". I don't have any statistical data on it, only from other local brothers doing car dates with the same girls I am investing in a hotel room for and then also from SBs I have been seeing. Hell, my # 1 told me Wednesday she has had 2 car dates in the prior week (no we are not exclusive, obviously) bc both SDs suggested it. Made me remember the BP johns (of which I was one a few years ago) have generally done incalls with the BP girls. They see the talent available on SA but don't want to spring an extra 60-70 bucks for a room. This coincides with a significant number of local brothers saying they want to find an SB who can host. Any similar observations or thoughts from VA or other areas?

If you have been in the game a while, you've probably dealt with babies who are not as good looking in person as they portray themselves to be online. Here was a SB I was chatting with a while back. The picture on the left is what is on her profile. The picture on the right is what she really looks like. Luckily, I found out before I committed to meeting.

SDX.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3378704]If you have been in the game a while, you've probably dealt with babies who are not as good looking in person as they portray themselves to be online. Here was a SB I was chatting with a while back. The picture on the left is what is on her profile. The picture on the right is what she really looks like. Luckily, I found out before I committed to meeting.

SDX.[/QUOTE]Yeah happens on both sides. Numerous SB have complained about the guy not looking anything like the pics sent. People fudge on the pics and age. If you are observant you can watch a girls profile age get much younger as time goes on. I've seen one go from 43 to 28. Misleading pics are part of the game for both sides.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3378704]If you have been in the game a while, you've probably dealt with babies who are not as good looking in person as they portray themselves to be online. Here was a SB I was chatting with a while back. The picture on the left is what is on her profile. The picture on the right is what she really looks like. Luckily, I found out before I committed to meeting.
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Great topic.

Non-representative photos, for me, have always been one of the the biggest challenge of the bowl and on-line dating in general. I learned the hard way in civy dating on line that most girls over-sell themselves when it comes to pics. They take hundreds, if not thousands, of pics of themselves, then select the 1% of those that they like, often ones that just barely resemble them. It's gotten worse these days with phones and apps that have filters that make it easy to modify and add flatter to pics.

Some warning signs I look for are:

1 - Few pics of her body (or none at all). When a girl has a nice body, she enjoys showing it off, in various outfits / bikinis / underwear etc.

2 - Outdated photos. I try to figure out when the pic was taken, sometimes you can tell from the photo itself but not always. Some conversation can go a long way with this, like if she sends a pic with her in a bikini, I might ask where (not when) was it taken, and if she mentions a vacation spot I might use that to lead in to talking about that particular trip and figure out how long ago she was there. If you're dealing with true SBs, it often works to your advantage to show some tact instead of just asking directly "how recent are those pics? Depends on the girl of course.

3 - Strategic angles. If they always hold the camera above themselves they're probably trying to downplay chubbiness. Same if they only show pics from the side, it helps hide saddlebags / big ass syndrome, Kardashian-like "centaur" bodies, and more. Also be cautious when all or most of the pics are from THE SAME angle, that's a big red flag, it means she's found one particular way of holding the cam or whatever that works to her advantage. You don't want to see her from only one angle when you meet.

4 - They say something that indicates a change since the photos, for example "those pics are from before I gave birth but my face still looks the same". Run like hell or demand recent photos.

5 - Only modeling or professional photos. First there is a risk she's cat fishing although I have not had much problem with this in the bowl, but the larger problem is that you don't want to make decisions based on photos that were taken by someone who is a professional at making women look better than they really do.

The one excellent tool we have at our disposal that did not exist in the early days of on-line dating is Facebook. Try to find them there, because they are more likely to post realistic photos there that look like the person their family and friends know them as. Warning, it can be a wake-up call that results in losing your interest about a lot of POTS, but it can save you a lot of time when it works. Also try to find their close friends and family and look at their photo albums, because they often post pics of the girl in more realistic situations than when she is marketing herself to SDs.

What do you guys look out for when it comes to vetting photos?

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3378704]If you have been in the game a while, you've probably dealt with babies who are not as good looking in person as they portray themselves to be online. Here was a SB I was chatting with a while back. The picture on the left is what is on her profile. The picture on the right is what she really looks like. Luckily, I found out before I committed to meeting.

SDX.[/QUOTE]I certainly agree with JZ's warnings. Nothing but close-ups of her face or those high angle shots usually means she's hiding chubbiness. The same goes for body shots with loose fitting clothing. I don't mind a little meat on a woman, so do include "curvy" in my search. If I find a larger lady that truly has an hour glass shape I'll give her a try. I'm amazed at what some women's definition of curvy and average is though. If she only has a close-up shot in her profile, but has a thin face and fingers I'll move forward. Fat fingers means a fat girl though, LOL.

I'm also amazed at some of the terrible shots ladies put up. There will be 1 decent looking shot and then 3 where she looks terrible or awkward. I appreciate the honesty, but question their judgement. While were talking about photo selection, is anyone else as turned-off as me if she includes a shot with a guy? I don't mind if he's cropped out, but showing his face with her hanging onto his arm bugs me for some reason.

Good hunting!

Traveling.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3378848]I certainly agree with JZ's warnings. Nothing but close-ups of her face or those high angle shots usually means she's hiding chubbiness. The same goes for body shots with loose fitting clothing. I don't mind a little meat on a woman, so do include "curvy" in my search. If I find a larger lady that truly has an hour glass shape I'll give her a try. I'm amazed at what some women's definition of curvy and average is though. If she only has a close-up shot in her profile, but has a thin face and fingers I'll move forward. Fat fingers means a fat girl though, LOL.

I'm also amazed at some of the terrible shots ladies put up. There will be 1 decent looking shot and then 3 where she looks terrible or awkward. I appreciate the honesty, but question their judgement. While were talking about photo selection, is anyone else as turned-off as me if she includes a shot with a guy? I don't mind if he's cropped out, but showing his face with her hanging onto his arm bugs me for some reason.

Good hunting!

Traveling.[/QUOTE]I have on occasion seen girls who include a pic of themselves w / an older guy, likely their dad, or it could have been an earlier SD (one even showed herself walking down the aisle at her wedding on her dad's arm!). To me, it's a Freudian slip that she really does have daddy issues and is a target for mature guys like me.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3378870]I have on occasion seen girls who include a pic of themselves w / an older guy, likely their dad, or it could have been an earlier SD (one even showed herself walking down the aisle at her wedding on her dad's arm!). To me, it's a Freudian slip that she really does have daddy issues and is a target for mature guys like me.[/QUOTE]I've noticed a pattern in the girls that send me pics that include their actual father (as opposed to prior SD or older BF) or involve other family members. They seem to be the ones hoping for something real, something with emotional strings attached. That's not a good thing if NSA is important to the SD as it is to me, but it could be a good sign for some depending on what they want out of the bowl. It's sort of like a gesture that she wants to be perceived as an open book, letting you into her life a bit, like she might want you to meet them one day! Yikes.

I'm sure some of them do it simply because they like the photo and either don't know how to crop or don't bother, but the ones I've seen are like the pattern above. It's probably also a sign of daddy issues if she sends pics of dad (real or fake) like you said as well. I've just found that all of the SBs I've been with have daddy issues one way or another. I've only dated girls without daddy issues in the civy world (and honestly still find the ones with them to be more fun).

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3378848]I certainly agree with JZ's warnings. Nothing but close-ups of her face or those high angle shots usually means she's hiding chubbiness. The same goes for body shots with loose fitting clothing. I don't mind a little meat on a woman, so do include "curvy" in my search. If I find a larger lady that truly has an hour glass shape I'll give her a try. I'm amazed at what some women's definition of curvy and average is though. If she only has a close-up shot in her profile, but has a thin face and fingers I'll move forward. Fat fingers means a fat girl though, LOL.

I'm also amazed at some of the terrible shots ladies put up. There will be 1 decent looking shot and then 3 where she looks terrible or awkward. I appreciate the honesty, but question their judgement. While were talking about photo selection, is anyone else as turned-off as me if she includes a shot with a guy? I don't mind if he's cropped out, but showing his face with her hanging onto his arm bugs me for some reason.
[/QUOTE]I thought of another red flag after I wrote that. If all or most pics involve the duck face (which by itself is cringeworthy enough), she may be hiding an ugly smile, screwy teeth, or just a weird looking lower face in general. This is rarer than the other red flags, but I've encountered a couple of these, and my fears were confirmed by looking them up on FB.

In one example I remember, the girl was maybe an 8 to 8. 5 based on all the duck face photos, body was excellent, attitude and personality were what I want. But when I saw a photo posted by one of her friends, it became clear why none of her SA profile photos and most of her own FB photos selectively filtered out the pics taken when she was smiling.

For evaluating faces, I can actually tell more about their overall sex appeal by looking from the nose down to the lower neck than by looking at the upper part of their face (in other words pics with sunglasses or blurred out eyes usually tell me more than duck face photos).

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I went to my granddaughter's college graduation this weekend. As I am looking around, all I keep thinking is.
That blonde could be my baby.
That gorgeous hot thing could have me as her daddy.
That redhead is probably a wildcat freak in the sack.

The amount of young ass and boob's on display was phenomenal.

Thank God we were outside and I had sunglasses on.

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3380260]I went to my granddaughter's college graduation this weekend. As I am looking around, all I keep thinking is.
That blonde could be my baby.
That gorgeous hot thing could have me as her daddy.
That redhead is probably a wildcat freak in the sack.

The amount of young ass and boob's on display was phenomenal.

Thank God we were outside and I had sunglasses on.[/QUOTE]I hear you, man. I had the same reaction when I first got into the bowl, about a year ago. I would broadly say that any woman I see on the street, in a shopping mall, etc. I now think of like that. I also have occasion to be on college campuses very frequently, and indeed I also find my thoughts wandering to 'could I find her profile on SA?

I have been in the bowl for the last three years and have been amazed by the new vistas it opens up. I am in my mid-60's and have to confess that I've been having the best sex of my life with women 1/3 to 1/2 my age. Because I am married, I am limited to discreet meetings in hotels and have never tried to meet a baby when I'm traveling. A few weeks from now, I'm going to be going to a far-away city where I won't be so constrained and was thinking that it would be nice to meet up with an SB with the idea (well, my idea, anyway) of taking her to a very nice restaurant and then hoping to take her back to my hotel.

I'm at a bit of a loss in figuring out how to approach girls and also which ones to approach. I can't offer more than a one-time thing, because although I occasionally go to that city, I'm generally with my wife when I do so. I assume that it would be easier if I could dangle recurrent visits, but I can't really do that in good faith. So, I have to make clear that this is a one-time thing (or at least be careful not to seem like I'm promising more than that), which makes it hard to approach someone without offending her and making it seem like I am treating her as an escort. On the other hand, I don't want her to think that I JUST want a dinner companion. So, I'm having trouble figuring out how to approach a woman.

I'm also having trouble figuring out which women to approach. The choice seems to boil down to: 1) approaching the same women I would approach if I were trying to set up a long-term arrangement. These would be women who are educated or on their way to being educated and are people I think would be interesting dinner companions but perhaps far less than sure things to take back to the FC; or 2) approaching women who might be less educated, perhaps single mothers, who even if nice people might be less than enchanting dinner companions (and perhaps out of their element at a nice restaurant) but perhaps more of a sure thing to get to the FC because they may be more highly motivated by the money.

That leads me to the next thing, which is how to make it clear (or at least clear enough) that I am offering more than just a free meal if the night goes well.

Anyway, it seems that finding a Road Baby presents some different challenges from finding one close to home. If anyone has any advice, I would love to hear it.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3378704]If you have been in the game a while, you've probably dealt with babies who are not as good looking in person as they portray themselves to be online. Here was a SB I was chatting with a while back. The picture on the left is what is on her profile. The picture on the right is what she really looks like. Luckily, I found out before I committed to meeting.
SDX.[/QUOTE]Really cute in #1 Chubster in #2.