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[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5010484]This girl is an FIB streetwalker, she'll let you stick it in any hole, bare, and do it all for 40 bucks. A streetwalker with internet access does not make her pussy more valuable. She even admits in her ad she is on fulton, why are you guys paying. 6 or 1. 2 for something you can catch her on the street doing for. 4 She's out there walking then she gets your call then goes back to her motel room and you get there and you pay 3 times the price because she turned from a streetwalker to an "escort". This chic is a crack ****[/QUOTE]I agree with SkyWookie Niteluvr Ozymandias Parrot & others.

Everyone on this board needs to realize that even the most beautiful girls can be had for dirt cheap or nothing. It's all about environmental training and expectations. Women are incredibly malleable. So long as there are people who think "well I can afford it" the amount of effort the girls put in, and the way they treat you goes down. The more difficult it is for them to get away with bad behavior the better they behave, and if they don't we COLLECTIVELY ice them out. Stop giving thieves, and asssholes and crack ****** second chances, if someone reputable posts that they were treated poorly by a girl let's cut them out for good!.

[QUOTE=Shadxw;5011440]I agree with SkyWookie Niteluvr Ozymandias Parrot & others.

Everyone on this board needs to realize that even the most beautiful girls can be had for dirt cheap or nothing. It's all about environmental training and expectations. Women are incredibly malleable. So long as there are people who think "well I can afford it" the amount of effort the girls put in, and the way they treat you goes down. The more difficult it is for them to get away with bad behavior the better they behave, and if they don't we COLLECTIVELY ice them out. Stop giving thieves, and asssholes and crack ****** second chances, if someone reputable posts that they were treated poorly by a girl let's cut them out for good!.[/QUOTE]First, you can't control a market that way with a "good" that is so different to so many people. But more than that, I find it amusing that at the same time this kind of attitude becomes more prevalent, we also complain that most good looking, younger, non-drug addled, reliable girls have disappeared. You think?

Look, no one should have to put up with scammers, cheats, etc. Also, it's not like these girls are our prom dates.

But focusing only on how to get over on what's the pleasant phrase - “cum catchers" - there will continue to be fewer and fewer decent girls interested in participating in the adult business (except maybe online). Pre-COVID, I tended to look for strip club takeout. It wasn't perfect, but best for me (no surpises, and no LE worries). And treating them with just a basic respect produced a FAR superior experience.

I realize that might be to some, "simp behavior" (geez, this labeling crap). But the longer we try to prove something to these girls behind basic customer service, the more the current trend will continue; a handful of very expensive girls, no "middle class," and a bunch of unfortunates most people wouldn't want to get with for free.

Let's not cut our own throats.

[QUOTE=AllTheTime;5011978]First, you can't control a market that way with a "good" that is so different to so many people. But more than that, I find it amusing that at the same time this kind of attitude becomes more prevalent, we also complain that most good looking, younger, non-drug addled, reliable girls have disappeared. You think?

Look, no one should have to put up with scammers, cheats, etc. Also, it's not like these girls are our prom dates.

But focusing only on how to get over on what's the pleasant phrase - cum catchers" - there will continue to be fewer and fewer decent girls interested in participating in the adult business (except maybe online). Pre-COVID, I tended to look for strip club takeout. It wasn't perfect, but best for me (no surpises, and no LE worries). And treating them with just a basic respect produced a FAR superior experience.

I realize that might be to some, "simp behavior" (geez, this labeling crap). But the longer we try to prove something to these girls behind basic customer service, the more the current trend will continue; a handful of very expensive girls, no "middle class," and a bunch of unfortunates most people wouldn't want to get with for free.

Let's not cut our own throats.[/QUOTE]99% of listcrawler which seems to be the go to for this forum in regards to escorts, are as I've said before "streetwalkers with smartphones". They aren't real escorts. Escorts answer their phones, escorts don't have destroyed bodies, escorts don't play around with what room to go to and have a guy waiting in the bathroom, listcrawlers is full of cum guzzlers. The only way your going to get any quality is by finding a girl that works with some kind of agency and has to answer for what she does or doesn't do. I see people paying 2 $$ to listcrawler trash but don't want to pay 3 $$ for a real escort, then they get upset when the listcrawler trash robs them etc.

Just saying treating them with respect will get you nowhere, they are meth / crack heads, put a crackhead streetwalker in a motel and she doesn't mysteriously turn into an escort. She is worth the same 40 bucks you'd pay on FIB, and the girl in the motel comes with far more risk of getting ripped off or robbed. I mean if you want to get a street hooker with a motel room 2 $$ for an hour or 1. 2 for half go for it, but don't trick yourself into believing you've got anything more than a streetwalker. These girls are low quality and would rob you blind if given half a chance.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5012026]99% of listcrawler which seems to be the go to for this forum in regards to escorts, are as I've said before "streetwalkers with smartphones". They aren't real escorts. Escorts answer their phones, escorts don't have destroyed bodies, escorts don't play around with what room to go to and have a guy waiting in the bathroom, listcrawlers is full of cum guzzlers. The only way your going to get any quality is by finding a girl that works with some kind of agency and has to answer for what she does or doesn't do. I see people paying 2 $$ to listcrawler trash but don't want to pay 3 $$ for a real escort, then they get upset when the listcrawler trash robs them etc.

Just saying treating them with respect will get you nowhere, they are meth / crack heads, put a crackhead streetwalker in a motel and she doesn't mysteriously turn into an escort. She is worth the same 40 bucks you'd pay on FIB, and the girl in the motel comes with far more risk of getting ripped off or robbed. I mean if you want to get a street hooker with a motel room 2 $$ for an hour or 1. 2 for half go for it, but don't trick yourself into believing you've got anything more than a streetwalker. These girls are low quality and would rob you blind if given half a chance.[/QUOTE]I agree 100000% with Skywookie, thank you for posting. No offence All The Time, but it certainly sounds as though you don't understand the negative side of female nature, and are apart of the problem. It also sounds like you have no clue how to get girls for cheap. There are so many girls I get for 40 or even 30 while I know they charge others 100. I know because I text them from a different number and try and negotiate and they always tell me to fuck off. When I text them from my number we never mention price I give them the low donation and do as I please. They even send me messages saying they are so horny and need me to stop by. I bet Ozy knows how to respond to this, but 99% of the mongers on this board would be clueless and rush into the prostitutes arms when they receive a text like that. I am NOT attacking you, I'd like to help improve your experience but you have to be willing to learn and stop paying top notch for bottom shelf.

[QUOTE=AllTheTime;5011978]First, you can't control a market that way with a "good" that is so different to so many people. But more than that, I find it amusing that at the same time this kind of attitude becomes more prevalent, we also complain that most good looking, younger, non-drug addled, reliable girls have disappeared. You think?

Look, no one should have to put up with scammers, cheats, etc. Also, it's not like these girls are our prom dates.

But focusing only on how to get over on what's the pleasant phrase - cum catchers" - there will continue to be fewer and fewer decent girls interested in participating in the adult business (except maybe online). Pre-COVID, I tended to look for strip club takeout. It wasn't perfect, but best for me (no surpises, and no LE worries). And treating them with just a basic respect produced a FAR superior experience.

I realize that might be to some, "simp behavior" (geez, this labeling crap). But the longer we try to prove something to these girls behind basic customer service, the more the current trend will continue; a handful of very expensive girls, no "middle class," and a bunch of unfortunates most people wouldn't want to get with for free.

Let's not cut our own throats.[/QUOTE]I mostly agree. We can't control the P4 P pussy market with a very limited number of mongers. Even if we had the hundreds of thousands needed to "control" the pussy market, how would we get everyone to agree on the same principle? It never happens. Next, many try to talk about "respecting" the P4 P girls. I give basic respect to any person, regardless of the situation, until such time as they prove unworthy. I think the real operative word (s) when dealing with providers is not so much respect, but proceeding with caution, using one's wits and being ready to bail if the situation goes awry. The old saying that "a good defence is the best offence" applies here. ALWAYS plan and be prepared.

Third, it pays to be clean and polite with providers, ie, taking a humble approach, but let's not get that confused with being a "simp," as some would call it. Being a simp is letting a provider run roughshod over you and it has nothing to do with being a nice guy. A nice guy with serious balls in the shadows (defence) is how I operate. The other extreme is being a relentless hustler trying to snowball and dominate the provider into giving it up for less than fair market price. Those guys like to brag that they "got it for less than you did" but that modus operandi doesn't last in the long term.

The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle. I like to call it balance and that's what I strive for.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5012405]I mostly agree. We can't control the P4 P pussy market with a very limited number of mongers. Even if we had the hundreds of thousands needed to "control" the pussy market, how would we get everyone to agree on the same principle? It never happens. Next, many try to talk about "respecting" the P4 P girls. I give basic respect to any person, regardless of the situation, until such time as they prove unworthy. I think the real operative word (s) when dealing with providers is not so much respect, but proceeding with caution, using one's wits and being ready to bail if the situation goes awry. The old saying that "a good defence is the best offence" applies here. ALWAYS plan and be prepared.

Third, it pays to be clean and polite with providers, ie, taking a humble approach, but let's not get that confused with being a "simp," as some would call it. Being a simp is letting a provider run roughshod over you and it has nothing to do with being a nice guy. A nice guy with serious balls in the shadows (defence) is how I operate. The other extreme is being a relentless hustler trying to snowball and dominate the provider into giving it up for less than fair market price. Those guys like to brag that they "got it for less than you did" but that modus operandi doesn't last in the long term.

The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle. I like to call it balance and that's what I strive for.[/QUOTE]I guess we don't agree, I would however like to clarify where I stand. It's not a matter of bragging, I'm just informing. My approach is similar to yours, I don't disrespect people unnecessarily, my modus operandi is to be as kind and as cordial as the other party allows me to be. Now when bottom shelf asks for top dollar or treats me poorly, I'm no fool, I know how to work my way around the lies and deception of women in the MP's, Strip club, Street, and in the hotel room, the more people that think it is impossible the worse the situation gets. I'm sure jews thought there situation was unchangeable in concentration camps, and blacks thought they'd always be slaves, and women thought they could never vote. This is not a noble cause, however if you genuinely think that it's not possible for people to band together to create drastic social change, I have to point out these more severe situations to get you to see the light. There is no middle ground Niteluvr, we must move towards full control, and yes it is definitely possible. Go to Bangkok and see how well that market is controlled. American men, aren't united, and many of them are simps. I say that factually not disparagingly. When someone pays to see videos of a girl shaking her ass when they can see a hotter girl do the same thing for free by going to any porn website, they are absolutely contributing to the problem and making it harder for us to control the market, and we can have full control. I will continue asking mongers to see things this way, because I believe things will be when they do. Feel free to pm me if you want to dig deeper into specifics.

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The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle. I like to call it balance and that's what I strive for.[/QUOTE]Exactly this. Be neither passive nor thirsty. Spend enough but not too much. Be patient but have a plan.

I imagine a number of folks here are hunters, so I'll use that analogy: hunting is all about awareness, patience, and timing.

A few years ago some friends and I went on a draw hunt in Colorado; we drew five caribou. We were tracking and camping in the cold for three or four days. Nothing - and then suddenly there's a herd. It was a slaughter, but we bagged our five caribou! (Each of these is about 900 lbs of meat, so we donated most of it to a Catholic mission there. Least we could do!

I find the same thing happens with fuck toys, providers, women of negotiable virtue (choose your label); if you're patient but persistent, you'll pretty much only have good encounters with beautiful women, but you might find none for months, and then score half a dozen in one week. I had a streak like that a few years ago (2012?) when I was just dick-deep in an ocean of hot, young spinner pussy.

I can phone a girl off whatever-list (what is there now, the names escape me) every night of the week, and I can output a steady stream of comedy reviews because I'll have so many bad experiences. Let yourself be driven by availability rather than quality, and that's what happens. Over time, I've cultivated some long-term associations I can use as needed, but I patiently track and hunt the next great one.

People complain about price, but the typical escort encounter was more expensive in the 90's (usually an hour was $300, and that being 20 years ago would be what now, $400 or 500?) than it is now. The Brazilian spas were usually $300 (and pretty hot experiences), and the heyday there was the late 90's, early 00's.

A happy monger is patient, is okay with spending on his hobby, and doesn't try to use it to prove anything (for example, the weird obsession with being "aggressive" and "not a simp". I mean, come on, just relax!).

O.

[QUOTE=AllTheTime;5011978]First, you can't control a market that way with a "good" that is so different to so many people. But more than that, I find it amusing that at the same time this kind of attitude becomes more prevalent, we also complain that most good looking, younger, non-drug addled, reliable girls have disappeared. You think?

Look, no one should have to put up with scammers, cheats, etc. Also, it's not like these girls are our prom dates.

But focusing only on how to get over on what's the pleasant phrase - cum catchers" - there will continue to be fewer and fewer decent girls interested in participating in the adult business (except maybe online). Pre-COVID, I tended to look for strip club takeout. It wasn't perfect, but best for me (no surpises, and no LE worries). And treating them with just a basic respect produced a FAR superior experience.

I realize that might be to some, "simp behavior" (geez, this labeling crap). But the longer we try to prove something to these girls behind basic customer service, the more the current trend will continue; a handful of very expensive girls, no "middle class," and a bunch of unfortunates most people wouldn't want to get with for free.

Let's not cut our own throats.[/QUOTE]You can control the market because if nobody calls these shitty service drug addicted thieves then they can't afford to stay in they hotels and they will be out the business. But it's always some that will read bad reviews on a chick and still go see her. I've read reviews on here by 10 dudes all saying how the same ho got over on them but if you would smarten up and don't call bad reviews chicks they will be frozen out the business. Instead on here talking about treating hoes with respect and being nice.

[QUOTE=TheBvc;5012819]You can control the market because if nobody calls these shitty service drug addicted thieves then they can't afford to stay in they hotels and they will be out the business. But it's always some that will read bad reviews on a chick and still go see her. I've read reviews on here by 10 dudes all saying how the same ho got over on them but if you would smarten up and don't call bad reviews chicks they will be frozen out the business. Instead on here talking about treating hoes with respect and being nice.[/QUOTE]A couple of things happening here.

First, what fraction of mongers in Atlanta (to use a subset) are aware of this forum? There are probably 20 posters who (per Pareto distribution theory) generate 80% of the content, so figure maybe 100 mongers regularly visit the forum, and would theoretically benefit from information shared here. Those are your market movers. Are 100 enough? Let's say 5000 men regularly or semi-regularly employ the services of escorts and spas: are 2% of them enough to re-price the market through discipline?

Second, many mongers see "badly reviewed" providers because at least a bad review is proof that the girl is actually a hoe, and not a police sting or face of a robbing crew; they're more interested in avoiding Imperial entanglements than they are of having a good session. Some mongers just want to wet their dick; that's why there are quick sessions.

I myself have learned to take GOOD reviews with a grain of salt (let's just say my tastes are at odds with the "no ass is too big, ever" mentality that governs Atlanta's monger scene), so I imagine many also take BAD review with a grain of salt.

There's just never going to be a Monger Union (though that's a good name for a review site), or a monger cartel.

It's a bit like trading: if you rely on your fellow traders, tip services, forums, etc, you're going to get burned eventually. Traders need to do their own due diligence, set their own spending limits, and apply discipline to their own in and out strategies.

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;5013117]A couple of things happening here.

First, what fraction of mongers in Atlanta (to use a subset) are aware of this forum? There are probably 20 posters who (per Pareto distribution theory) generate 80% of the content, so figure maybe 100 mongers regularly visit the forum, and would theoretically benefit from information shared here. Those are your market movers. Are 100 enough? Let's say 5000 men regularly or semi-regularly employ the services of escorts and spas: are 2% of them enough to re-price the market through discipline?

Second, many mongers see "badly reviewed" providers because at least a bad review is proof that the girl is actually a hoe, and not a police sting or face of a robbing crew; they're more interested in avoiding Imperial entanglements than they are of having a good session. Some mongers just want to wet their dick; that's why there are quick sessions.

I myself have learned to take GOOD reviews with a grain of salt (let's just say my tastes are at odds with the "no ass is too big, ever" mentality that governs Atlanta's monger scene), so I imagine many also take BAD review with a grain of salt.

There's just never going to be a Monger Union (though that's a good name for a review site), or a monger cartel..[/QUOTE]Oz. You are the monger godfather or yoda of mongers. Thanks for articulating the truth.

[QUOTE=TheBvc;5012819]You can control the market because if nobody calls these shitty service drug addicted thieves then they can't afford to stay in they hotels and they will be out the business. But it's always some that will read bad reviews on a chick and still go see her. I've read reviews on here by 10 dudes all saying how the same ho got over on them but if you would smarten up and don't call bad reviews chicks they will be frozen out the business. Instead on here talking about treating hoes with respect and being nice.[/QUOTE]OK, so tell me how to control the market. One or even several guys won't make a dent.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;5013117]A couple of things happening here.

I myself have learned to take GOOD reviews with a grain of salt (let's just say my tastes are at odds with the "no ass is too big, ever" mentality that governs Atlanta's monger scene), so I imagine many also take BAD review with a grain of salt.
It's a bit like trading: if you rely on your fellow traders, tip services, forums, etc, you're going to get burned eventually. Traders need to do their own due diligence, set their own spending limits, and apply discipline to their own in and out strategies.
O.[/QUOTE]I don't care what business you are researching whether pussy, restaurants, hotels, etc. You can usually spot the reviews of people wanting to pay cheap prices and expect 5-star service, ain't going to happen. Just because one or two write a bad review of a provider is not enough to turn me off unless it was a bait & switch or robbery, just bad service. I have seen girls who had one or two bad reviews and pointed it out before our encounter. Every time they knew who wrote it said that dude was a pig. Did not shower, was totally rude, or did something to totally turn them off. I had great service. But when there are numerous entries of getting ripped off, ala Leah, then I won't waste my time.

Stay Safe & Happy Hunting!

I have to share my opinion because I want to help mongers have better experiences. The way the girl behaves does not depend on the money you give her. If it did, then no girls would rob guys for cash.

They are still women, thus highly emotional, any memorabilia about you or the circumstance could provoke a strong negative reaction. Any girl can go bad, at any time, thinking giving them more money will help is like thinking that giving a government that's gone bad more money will improve it's governing. It's a complex system, when corrupt, throwing cash at it won't fix anything. You need another complex system that can maneuver the situation (a seasoned, monger who understand this) to handle it. If the civilisation (collective mongers) continues to forgive and support a bad government (bad prostitutes) it never gets better, I believe you are enabling here. Everyone needs to understand this asap. More money does not equal better service.

This conversation has helped me realise that many mongers on here have adopted behaviours that help them get ass, apparently haphazardly, as they still lack understanding. Adopting their behaviours may work for you, but it is no recipe for success, what works for one person may not work for the other, hence YMMV. Unless you take advice from someone who understands you, your situation, what you want, and how you come off, as well as a deep understanding of the same factors in the girl you are seeing you may have a bad experience. It's more complex than "adopt these behaviours", if someone is telling you to adopt behaviours without an expressed fundamental comprehension of the underlying variables that ultimately determine the outcome I caution everyone from listening to them. Learn about the dark side of female nature, "monkey see monkey do" is insufficient. Drop me a pm, and I will explain to those wiling to listen, that desire a better experience. Who knows, maybe I'll start charging for consultations LOL.

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I've seen her on EA. Any info. I'm spending the weekend in Atlanta and want to set up a meet.