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[QUOTE=BikeRider;3363121]I think we'll see far far less 18 year olds on the site now. No way the smart ones will upload an I'd.
Maybe they'll list as 19 year olds![/QUOTE]Hope I'm wrong but I read his message that they are requiring this regardless of age. I guess it's not as bad if it's limited to 18 year olds, but I'm sure they know that the same girls that would lie about being 18 will have no problem bumping their age up to whatever is needed to avoid the photo i d upload.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3363485]It takes a dedicated SD to get through my voluminous posts. LOL.
I'm probably not the right guy to comment on typical overnight arrangements. In my case, depending on circumstances, many (most even) of my SB dates do result in what could be considered an overnighter. There's a "date" portion of the evening that normally consists of dinner and drinks, maybe a club, then late night back at the FC. There is usually some sleeping for both of us before she goes home (usually daylight at the earliest). However, that it ends up like this is a result of the dating process itself and the fact that I only do this when I travel. It's similar to my civy dating experiences, after drinks they don't really want to risk driving home, and after some good fuck sessions it's natural to want to kick back and nap. This is my preferred type of date because I have a habit of waking up from a nap horny, and there's nothing like having a new hottie laying next to you when that happens.
Some guys meet girls for coffee then get a hotel in the afternoon -- I've thought about expanding to that territory but just haven't. I guess I'm used to the convenience of already being in a room, versus the hassle of finding / booking one. That, plus the fact I don't play close to home.
So, I've never negotiated an overnight SB or tried to pre-arrange it. I have been known to gift higher than my standard gift amt for a great SB that stays all night and does so simply because she's having fun --particularly if they went out of their way to meet me, drove long distances, took a day off school or work, etc. But it's not an amount that's agreed upon ahead of time.[/QUOTE]My point was more about how you deal w / a SB, rather than the specific negotiations for the overnight. That you don't want to get into the weeds more than necessary about what your payin' for your playin' - if a guy begins thinking about what a girl's 'menu' is, he's truly dealing with an escort. Since you don't typically negotiate a sugar amount, you're likewise not negotiating specific acts.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3363620]My point was more about how you deal w / a SB, rather than the specific negotiations for the overnight. That you don't want to get into the weeds more than necessary about what your payin' for your playin' - if a guy begins thinking about what a girl's 'menu' is, he's truly dealing with an escort. Since you don't typically negotiate a sugar amount, you're likewise not negotiating specific acts.[/QUOTE]One issue I'm aware of, whenever I post info about my techniques, is that some of the tips are dependent on other aspects of my modus operandi. If certain boxes haven't been ticked, the tips I offer may not be applicable to every SD's situation. Like the overnight all you can eat buffet, it just tends to happen as a side effect of the wining and dining. As Fred pointed out a few posts back, if they are having a good time they won't want to go home yet and the whole act of negotiating is a non-issue. But, this probably doesn't help the guys who already have something going with an SB that's been limited to daytime romps, and he wants to do an overnighter for something different and is looking for a way to ask her about it. I don't have experience with that, but if it were me I would probably just throw the plan out there (when and where) without talking money. Then if she starts with "what will my allowance for that be". That probably won't happen unless that sort of conversation has been happening all along. If it did happen, I would probably just say something like "have I ever disappointed you before?" without talking numbers. I just don't like these paths of conversation, I don't think they benefit anyone and I don't think the SD should succumb to this.
I do stand by my belief that allowance details shouldn't be discussed until the last possible minute. Never in initial contact or via digital communication, at the very soonest in person at the M&G, and only if she's ready to proceed to the FC on the current date. And, if at all possible, best to not get into money discussions at all. That is one aspect of my methods that I don't think is dependent on anything else.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3363689]. Then if she starts with "what will my allowance for that be". That probably won't happen unless that sort of conversation has been happening all along. If it did happen, I would probably just say something like "have I ever disappointed you before?" without talking numbers. I just don't like these paths of conversation, I don't think they benefit anyone and I don't think the SD should succumb to this.
I do stand by my belief that allowance details shouldn't be discussed until the last possible minute. Never in initial contact or via digital communication, at the very soonest in person at the M&G, and only if she's ready to proceed to the FC on the current date. And, if at all possible, best to not get into money discussions at all. That is one aspect of my methods that I don't think is dependent on anything else.[/QUOTE]Thanks both of you for giving perspective. In my case, the way my current SB is treating, I feel like she had calculated money to ask me for overnight. Well once I asked if she ever want to do overnight then let's go for it. Never talked about money. Now the demand looks as if it is like escort asking me specific amount. I am not happy about that part. ! Have not responded to SB but thinking about sending a reply.
[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3363754]Thanks both of you for giving perspective. In my case, the way my current SB is treating, I feel like she had calculated money to ask me for overnight. Well once I asked if she ever want to do overnight then let's go for it. Never talked about money. Now the demand looks as if it is like escort asking me specific amount. I am not happy about that part. ! Have not responded to SB but thinking about sending a reply.[/QUOTE]Whenever things take a turn that looks like the SB is trying to get the upper hand, I usually just back away a bit; sometimes no contact sends a stronger message than anything I could say. Most of the time, the result is that she parks the high horse and comes back with a different attitude sooner or later, because she realized her test didn't work. And what does she have to lose if it did fail? If I understand your activities to date, she already regards you (at the bare minimum) as a regular and dependable SD (and might regard you as much more). It takes time an effort for her to find one, so she after she gives it some thought she might realize that unlike "normal" dating at her age where she's probably used to having the advantage, in the bowl it's a man's world and the SD has the advantage. Maybe she'll drop the attitude and do the overnighter without much extra demand just to keep from losing a regular SD. You could always emphasize that you're "really looking for someone who can do overnights" without directly indicating if she's going to upsell then you'll find someone else easier to deal with.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3363502]Hope I'm wrong but I read his message that they are requiring this regardless of age. I guess it's not as bad if it's limited to 18 year olds, but I'm sure they know that the same girls that would lie about being 18 will have no problem bumping their age up to whatever is needed to avoid the photo i d upload.[/QUOTE]I've not heard of anyone else saying SA has asked for I'd. So, I suspect they've gone after the 18 year olds. Perhaps the 19's as well, but I don't believe it is wholesale.
[QUOTE=BikeRider;3363927]I've not heard of anyone else saying SA has asked for I'd. So, I suspect they've gone after the 18 year olds. Perhaps the 19's as well, but I don't believe it is wholesale.[/QUOTE]I did talk to another former SB friend today who is a 30 year old and a premium member on the site through a college email. She said she hasn't heard anything about that. Maybe it depends on how long you've been on the site and what your credentials are. I've never registered as a female, so I'm not sure what all they ask. I know others on here have done that.
Travelin.
[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3363087]So quick qn, how do you handle the usual few hours meet and agreed upon allowance vs. Overnight allowance negotiation. Usual meets were agreed for a set amount for few hours. Now, discussion is turned to potential overnight. SB want to almost double the allowance which was agreed for per meet. Do you all have different amounts, depending on the length of meet or hours?[/QUOTE]I have had O/Ns with 4 different SBs since I got into the bowl in the summer of 2015. Actually my very first time in the FC with an SB was an O/N - we had such a good time in the afternoon and early evening that I suggested / proposed the O/N as a "second visit". (2 times 150). The next O/N was with my # 1 in early 2016, I suggested we double the 150. But by last summer I had upgraded my budget to 200 for my # 1 at the time but by then was no longer having conversations about $ with any of my POTs and SBs (thanks Jeez). I decided to go with 300 for her. This past December I had on O/N with my # 1 and instead of increasing the 200 I instead took her Christmas (clothes) shopping the next morning and gave her a 200 visa gift card, which I would have done anyhow even without the O/N. For a planned overnight I always pick a slightly nicer hotel and a dinner at a restaurant. That being said I don't intend to ever go over 300, so the formula for me happens to be 1. 5 times the normal gift. Personally I try to do something extra to let the SB know that it is a special date. All four of these girls were in the 18 -21 range so for an older guy like me it was special.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3363813]Whenever things take a turn that looks like the SB is trying to get the upper hand, I usually just back away a bit; sometimes no contact sends a stronger message than anything I could say. Most of the time, the result is that she parks the high horse and comes back with a different attitude sooner or later, because she realized her test didn't work. And what does she have to lose if it did fail? If I understand your activities to date, she already regards you (at the bare minimum) as a regular and dependable SD (and might regard you as much more). It takes time an effort for her to find one, so she after she gives it some thought she might realize that unlike "normal" dating at her age where she's probably used to having the advantage, in the bowl it's a man's world and the SD has the advantage. Maybe she'll drop the attitude and do the overnighter without much extra demand just to keep from losing a regular SD. You could always emphasize that you're "really looking for someone who can do overnights" without directly indicating if she's going to upsell then you'll find someone else easier to deal with.[/QUOTE]Good advise. Thanks for it. I like it and I know I read everything that has been posted here. But don't remember it. So sorry for the potential repeat scenario here. I am going to not respond it! Yes she looks at me as dependable SD. So I will wait and let her realize it more than anything. I may look at POT B. Which is in baking. As fall back.
I wonder if it could be part of the approval process. If they suspect a girl may be under age, they may request age verification with an I'd. I have noticed that it seems to take longer for the younger ones to have their profiles and pics approved.
[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3363979]I did talk to another former SB friend today who is a 30 year old and a premium member on the site through a college email. She said she hasn't heard anything about that. Maybe it depends on how long you've been on the site and what your credentials are. I've never registered as a female, so I'm not sure what all they ask. I know others on here have done that.
Travelin.[/QUOTE]
I've done mostly overnights, but I've never discussed it before hand and I've almost never discussed dollars or time.
I gravitate towards the girls that are uncomfortable thinking of themselves as a sex worker. We never discuss money, but I just slip them something at the end. Occasionally, I've even had a girl insulted by my offer to give them any money and a couple of times I've had a girl turn GPS at the end expecting 3 x my offer.
It usually works just fine for me.
[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3364013]I have had O/Ns with 4 different SBs since I got into the bowl in the summer of 2015. Actually my very first time in the FC with an SB was an O/N - we had such a good time in the afternoon and early evening that I suggested / proposed the O/N as a "second visit". (2 times 150). The next O/N was with my # 1 in early 2016, I suggested we double the 150. But by last summer I had upgraded my budget to 200 for my # 1 at the time but by then was no longer having conversations about $ with any of my POTs and SBs (thanks Jeez). I decided to go with 300 for her. This past December I had on O/N with my # 1 and instead of increasing the 200 I instead took her Christmas (clothes) shopping the next morning and gave her a 200 visa gift card, which I would have done anyhow even without the O/N. For a planned overnight I always pick a slightly nicer hotel and a dinner at a restaurant. That being said I don't intend to ever go over 300, so the formula for me happens to be 1. 5 times the normal gift. Personally I try to do something extra to let the SB know that it is a special date. All four of these girls were in the 18 -21 range so for an older guy like me it was special.[/QUOTE]
When I'm on the road, most of my babies will spend the night just as a matter of course. I might say something like "pack an overnight bag" or "I'll buy us breakfast" but I just behave as if that's the norm and go from there. And yes, there's nothing nicer than waking up next to a hot young baby in the morning, or even in the middle of the night!
Back home, whenever my SO is traveling for work, I spend the night with one of my two long-term babies. In all instances, I've never given any of them more than the usual gift, and it's never come up. In truth, I've never considered it as an option.
As for giving them a little distance to make the heart grow fonder, I can attest to the effectiveness of that. I've been crazy busy at work the past month or so, and both my SBs have gotten more and more affectionate in their texts to me. Kinda nice, actually haha!
Keep up the good work my brothers.
Scott.
[QUOTE=FScott;3364412]When I'm on the road, most of my babies will spend the night just as a matter of course. I might say something like "pack an overnight bag" or "I'll buy us breakfast" but I just behave as if that's the norm and go from there. And yes, there's nothing nicer than waking up next to a hot young baby in the morning, or even in the middle of the night!
Back home, whenever my SO is traveling for work, I spend the night with one of my two long-term babies. In all instances, I've never given any of them more than the usual gift, and it's never come up. In truth, I've never considered it as an option.
As for giving them a little distance to make the heart grow fonder, I can attest to the effectiveness of that. I've been crazy busy at work the past month or so, and both my SBs have gotten more and more affectionate in their texts to me. Kinda nice, actually haha!
Keep up the good work my brothers.
Scott.[/QUOTE]I had a long term SB that would send sweet messages and pics if it had been a while like a month w / o seeing her. Bottom line is she was only sweet like that when she needed the $. It kind of pissed me off actually and I confronted her kind of laughing to myself that you really miss me messages are a load of crap and they have the opposite affect on me. I'd rather them say, hey can we meet, I have bills to pay and I haven't see you in a while. At least that would be honest.
I just stumbled upon this article, in response to the following experience. I was looking for an inexpensive room on a day it seems every hotel's price is sky-high. I was given a reasonable rate for a Hilton Garden Inn, but then noted it was a 'day use' rate, which they define as 10 am - 4 pm. I guess based on the article I must have gotten this by putting the same day as checkin and checkout. It wasn't that much cheaper than overnight, but it was cheaper, and it does have that otherwise very difficult to achieve mid-day room. And, they say that essentially any Hilton is available under these limits. So, if you don't want a dive for the FC and you're trying to play in the bowl during the day (SO situation), this might work for you.
[URL]http://travelupdate.boardingarea.com/booking-day-use-rooms-hilton/[/URL]
[QUOTE=DragginHoo;3364455]I had a long term SB that would send sweet messages and pics if it had been a while like a month w / o seeing her. Bottom line is she was only sweet like that when she needed the $. It kind of pissed me off actually and I confronted her kind of laughing to myself that you really miss me messages are a load of crap and they have the opposite affect on me. I'd rather them say, hey can we meet, I have bills to pay and I haven't see you in a while. At least that would be honest.[/QUOTE]As I said in an earlier post, we all seem to find our own personal Bowl. To each hammer his own kind of nail.
Scott.