"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3354574]I have been talking to several chicks on SA and they show interest today, we exchange number and tomorrow they just stop replying. I was wondering if they have a private board where they blacklist SDs and weather I have been blacklisted or something. I am kinda new to this game, does this happen quite often to you guys? [/QUOTE]They have a number of resources they use to do the same thing we do here, but it's important to point out that whenever I say "they" throughout this message, I am talking about one segment of the SB population, and not all of them. Some girls use one or two forums, some girls probably use more, and some girls use none. In some cases they use this forum to monitor what we say about them.

The SB community is also much more connected than the SD community. Many of them are friends with each other, and there are groups of girls in a given city, who collaborate with each other and share info on you, meaning a breach of anonymity with one girl might expose you to five in any given area. Just remember that the female mind is far more conniving and sneaky than the male mind. This is the shit they are good at.

I couldn't list all the resources they use, I don't know them all. One such example is here: [URL]https://www.letstalksugar.com/forums/[/URL].

Now, what I'm going to say next is going to be controversial here and may step on a few toes, but I believe too many brothers risk creating issues for themselves (some they may be aware of, some they may not) by treating this forum as if it were an inner circle of SDs (it's not, its very public), and assuming their SBs can't see this.

This is why you NEVER see me post a link to a girl on SA or post their photos.

Posting links to girls' SA account, posting their pictures, or posting too much information about what occurred on a date is a bad idea, and it can come back to haunt you by potentially revealing who you are and your identity on this forum to her, which means she can now follow everything you say here, including gaining insight into how you think, seeing what sorts of questions you ask and see how you're planning your next move. It is important to remember that if you get into a rift with a girl, even if she doesn't have the skills to track you down and out you to your family or employer, she could be working as a team with a boyfriend or another part-time SD who is good at detective work. I once helped a young lady find out the identity of someone who had scammed her in an on line sale, and she was so impressed and appreciative that she proceeded to fuck my balls off every weekend for about three weeks as payment. They like having friends that can help them, and they have them. They are also good at manipulating men and tapping into their inner chivalrous instinct, making lots of guys want to come to the rescue of the hot young girl and help her out.

So, how does something as simple as posting a link to her SA account put you at risk? I will talk about one situation that a girl conveyed directly to me soon after it happened, and another situation that happens often.

First, I know a girl who identified a guy bad mouthing her on a forum (not sure if it was USASG but I suspect it was) because someone posted a link to her profile, which resulted in a sudden and noticeable spike in views from guys not in her area. Given how SA's searches work, why would that happen? She knew enough to know it meant someone had broadcast her link. She Googled her own screen name and that linked her to the place she was being discussed. She could now watch what he was saying about her, and of course since she had been meeting him, she could tell who it was bad mouthing her and this identified him. Not good.

Second, while I have not had a personal encounter with this, it is not uncommon for another SD or board lurker to play white knight and use what is being posted on a forum to their advantage by contacting the girl and spilling the beans. I've seen guys post about here and elsewhere that this has happened to them. They might even get some pussy out of the deal by getting her to turn on you. Do not assume the only guys here are the regular brothers who post. Probably hundreds of lurkers who don't post for every one that does.

Posting photos of her to these forums could link you to her as well, even if the methods are a bit different.

Just a side note, keeping the first scenario in mind (the case of the broadcast SA profile), the following should be obvious, but I never respond to girls that randomly initiate contact with me and certainly don't send photos to them or unlock private photos. I cherry pick the girls I want and go to them, I ignore the ones that come to me. Why? It could be a disingenuous attempt to get info from me from a scammer, fake profile from a girl I've met, or her bf, or similar.

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3354623]Hopefully, your pic does not end on [URL]predator.com[/URL]. Happened to me the when I sent an SA girl my pic. Yes, she went dark. Your girl spent a bunch of time texting with you, so probably not the type fishing for pics to put on predator.[/QUOTE]The possibilities are endless here. There really could be some vigilante moral purity freaks who are on SA specifically to entrap guys who they believe are perpetrating sin, sin! I say!, on the world. Just be careful, have a good reason to think that the gal is really who she says she is, based on all of the pointers in this thread over the years.

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3354623]Hopefully, your pic does not end on [URL]predator.com[/URL]. Happened to me the when I sent an SA girl my pic. Yes, she went dark. Your girl spent a bunch of time texting with you, so probably not the type fishing for pics to put on predator.[/QUOTE]Are you referring to [URL]predatoralert.com[/URL] maybe? I think it was shut down (probably reported as a revenge porn site).

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3354944]They have a number of resources they use to do the same thing we do here, but it's important to point out that whenever I say "they" throughout this message, I am talking about one segment of the SB population, and not all of them. Some girls use one or two forums, some girls probably use more, and some girls use none. In some cases they use this forum to monitor what we say about them.

The SB community is also much more connected than the SD community. Many of them are friends with each other, and there are groups of girls in a given city, who collaborate with each other and share info on you, meaning a breach of anonymity with one girl might expose you to five in any given area. Just remember that the female mind is far more conniving and sneaky than the male mind. This is the shit they are good at.

I couldn't list all the resources they use, I don't know them all. One such example is here: [URL]https://www.letstalksugar.com/forums/[/URL].

Now, what I'm going to say next is going to be controversial here and may step on a few toes, but I believe too many brothers risk creating issues for themselves (some they may be aware of, some they may not) by treating this forum as if it were an inner circle of SDs (it's not, its very public), and assuming their SBs can't see this.

This is why you NEVER see me post a link to a girl on SA or post their photos.

Posting links to girls' SA account, posting their pictures, or posting too much information about what occurred on a date is a bad idea, and it can come back to haunt you by potentially revealing who you are and your identity on this forum to her, which means she can now follow everything you say here, including gaining insight into how you think, seeing what sorts of questions you ask and see how you're planning your next move. It is important to remember that if you get into a rift with a girl, even if she doesn't have the skills to track you down and out you to your family or employer, she could be working as a team with a boyfriend or another part-time SD who is good at detective work. I once helped a young lady find out the identity of someone who had scammed her in an on line sale, and she was so impressed and appreciative that she proceeded to fuck my balls off every weekend for about three weeks as payment. They like having friends that can help them, and they have them. They are also good at manipulating men and tapping into their inner chivalrous instinct, making lots of guys want to come to the rescue of the hot young girl and help her out.

So, how does something as simple as posting a link to her SA account put you at risk? I will talk about one situation that actually happened, and another situation that happens often.

First, I know a girl who identified a guy bad mouthing her on a forum (not sure if it was USASG but I suspect it was) because someone posted a link to her profile, which resulted in a sudden and noticeable spike in views from guys not in her area. Given how SA's searches work, why would that happen? She knew enough to know it meant someone had broadcast her link. She Googled her own screen name and that linked her to the place she was being discussed. She could now watch what he was saying about her, and of course since she had been meeting him, she could tell who it was bad mouthing her and this identified him. Not good.

Second, while I have not had a personal encounter with this, it is not uncommon for another SD or board lurker to play white knight and use what is being posted on a forum to their advantage by contacting the girl and spilling the beans. I've seen guys post about here and elsewhere that this has happened to them. They might even get some pussy out of the deal by getting her to turn on you. Do not assume the only guys here are the regular brothers who post. Probably hundreds of lurkers who don't post for every one that does.

To posting pictures of her to these forums could link you to her as well, even if the methods are a bit different.

Just a side note, keeping the first scenario in mind (the case of the broadcast SA profile), this should be obvious, but I never respond to girls that randomly initiate contact with me and certainly don't send photos to them. I cherry pick the girls I want and go to them, I ignore the ones that come to me. Why? It could be a disingenuous attempt to get info from me from a scammer, fake profile from a girl I've met, or her bf, or similar.[/QUOTE]Yep posting links can come back to bite you in the ass but why care if you have implemented all the secret squirrel crap that has been talked about in these pages. Since this thread has more partcipation from guys all over the country the likelihood of a girl finding it is very slim. If she finds your profile name theres not much that can be done with it. Being the largest and original thread on sb's, it has the least info on actual sb's of any on this website. Out of the thousands of pages I doubt if you find 2 full pages of any actual profile links. Now there is alot of stories posted that make for good reading but penthouse had those too. As far as white knights go your going to have those no matter what thread you have going. When a sb cries about being scammed I tell her join the club. It happens to both sides and I've been scammed several times. If your in this hobby long enough you get scammed. I tell them live and learn but not trust anyone till they earn it. Helping a girl track down a scammer for free pussy is a definition of white knighting in my book. There are really no brothers in this sport. They are brothers as long as it is convenient. A chance at free pussy and they will throw you under the bus LOL. If a girl knows about the site they are already sex workers more than likely. The average sb on SA has know idea of this site. I've been in the bowl since 2010, first on SD4 ME and now SA and have never had a girl ask or mention about her profile being listed or talked about. Even if she did why care? She is replaced by 100's of new sb's dailey. This isn't rocket science. Jmho.

There's a story on motherboard today entitled "Inside the 'Stalkerware' Surveillance Market, Where Ordinary People Tap Each Other's Phones". A quote from the story: "I used the service to confirm that my ex gf was cheating on me. It allowed me to get a remote audio recording of her. In the act. Best money I ever spent," another FlexiSpy customer said.

They can't drop spyware on it if they don't know you have it, or if you have to keep it locked for biz reasons. Many of you using one phone probably think your SO would never do such a thing, or doesn't have the tech chops to do so. I'd bet that most of the people that were spy'd on via these programs thought the same thing.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3355021]There's a story on motherboard today entitled "Inside the 'Stalkerware' Surveillance Market, Where Ordinary People Tap Each Other's Phones". A quote from the story: "I used the service to confirm that my ex gf was cheating on me. It allowed me to get a remote audio recording of her. In the act. Best money I ever spent," another FlexiSpy customer said.

They can't drop spyware on it if they don't know you have it, or if you have to keep it locked for biz reasons. Many of you using one phone probably think your SO would never do such a thing, or doesn't have the tech chops to do so. I'd bet that most of the people that were spy'd on via these programs thought the same thing.[/QUOTE]Depending on one's situation at home, the availability of these spy ware apps does make a good case for owning a separate physical phone, assuming the existence of the phone itself can be meticulously hidden and managed (I. E. Don't leave the ringer on by mistake). Part of the risk of a second physical device is increased opportunities for her to install spy ware (for example, if you leave it hidden somewhere in your house, she could access it while you're gone or sleeping). This is one advantage of a candy bar phone over a smart phone (difficult to impossible for her to obtain spy ware for), but then of course you give up a lot of functionality like running various messaging apps the girls use.

For those wondering which is safer, iPhone or Android. Hands down iPhone is safer, because in order to install any sort of spy ware she needs to either jailbreak the phone (easy for you to detect and reset) or she needs to log in with your Apple account (which there's no good reason to ever give her). Its not as clear cut with Android phones, some apps require rooting the phone and others can be installed in about a minute without rooting (depending on what you expect the app to monitor). Everything else can be done remotely, so the key is to never let something get installed in the first place, and the iPhone is far more secure in this regard.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3354955]Are you referring to [URL]predatoralert.com[/URL] maybe? I think it was shut down (probably reported as a revenge porn site).[/QUOTE]I still see my pic there [URL]predatoralerts.com[/URL]. It is attached to a number I don't use anymore, so no big deal.

I know you don't like that some of us on this forum don't trade links to profiles and numbers for girls with other members. You suggest our stories are BS. That's fine. I don't need your validation. If I posted links to the women I've been with and told stories of our adventures they could easily determine it was me ruining any future meet ups with them.

I see SB'S as being different than UTR's and escorts. There are many escorts and utr's on SA, but I filter them out quickly. Unlike escorts and UTR'S that will meet with anyone as long as the $s are correct, SB's decide who they want to be with and $s are only part of the decision. Physical attraction, conversation, respect and humor play big factors.

Most true SB'S would not appreciate being passed around like a number written on a bathroom wall and I respect that. I treat women with respect and expect respect in return.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3355007]Yep posting links can come back to bite you in the ass but why care if you have implemented all the secret squirrel crap that has been talked about in these pages. Since this thread has more partcipation from guys all over the country the likelihood of a girl finding it is very slim. If she finds your profile name theres not much that can be done with it. Being the largest and original thread on sb's, it has the least info on actual sb's of any on this website. Out of the thousands of pages I doubt if you find 2 full pages of any actual profile links. Now there is alot of stories posted that make for good reading but penthouse had those too. As far as white knights go your going to have those no matter what thread you have going. When a sb cries about being scammed I tell her join the club. It happens to both sides and I've been scammed several times. If your in this hobby long enough you get scammed. I tell them live and learn but not trust anyone till they earn it. Helping a girl track down a scammer for free pussy is a definition of white knighting in my book. There are really no brothers in this sport. They are brothers as long as it is convenient. A chance at free pussy and they will throw you under the bus LOL. If a girl knows about the site they are already sex workers more than likely. The average sb on SA has know idea of this site. I've been in the bowl since 2010, first on SD4 ME and now SA and have never had a girl ask or mention about her profile being listed or talked about. Even if she did why care? She is replaced by 100's of new sb's dailey. This isn't rocket science. Jmho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3355517]I know you don't like that some of us on this forum don't trade links to profiles and numbers for girls with other members. You suggest our stories are BS. That's fine. I don't need your validation. If I posted links to the women I've been with and told stories of our adventures they could easily determine it was me ruining any future meet ups with them.

I see SB'S as being different than UTR's and escorts. There are many escorts and utr's on SA, but I filter them out quickly. Unlike escorts and UTR'S that will meet with anyone as long as the $s are correct, SB's decide who they want to be with and $s are only part of the decision. Physical attraction, conversation, respect and humor play big factors.

Most true SB'S would not appreciate being passed around like a number written on a bathroom wall and I respect that. I treat women with respect and expect respect in return.[/QUOTE]I agree with Max, and have always approached the Bowl as if it were something far different and more rarefied than looking for hookers on BP. Having been a member of the clubhouse since its inception, I have seen this particular discussion rise to the surface several times over the years, and have come to believe that we each create the Bowl we are seeking and are most comfortable in. BP brothers tend to magically find the UTRs and pros on SA and elsewhere, while someone like me, who chooses to target true SBs - a far more skittish and elusive quarry - tend to attract that type of fish more frequently than not.

To totally mangle metaphors, each kind of hammer can usually only see its own particular type of nail. To my way of thinking, it's less about an SB finding that I ratted her out here than me not wanting to betray the relationship we've built, however artificial compared to RL it might be. Remember, we are in some part THEIR fantasy as much as they are ours, and no one likes to find their bubbles burst by the one they trusted.

I've told many stories over the years, to be sure, but never traded names or numbers. If someone else is hammering my particular nail, I really don't want to know about it.

Peace,

Scott.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3355007]Yep posting links can come back to bite you in the ass but why care if you have implemented all the secret squirrel crap that has been talked about in these pages. Since this thread has more partcipation from guys all over the country the likelihood of a girl finding it is very slim. If she finds your profile name theres not much that can be done with it. Being the largest and original thread on sb's, it has the least info on actual sb's of any on this website. Out of the thousands of pages I doubt if you find 2 full pages of any actual profile links. Now there is alot of stories posted that make for good reading but penthouse had those too. As far as white knights go your going to have those no matter what thread you have going. When a sb cries about being scammed I tell her join the club. It happens to both sides and I've been scammed several times. If your in this hobby long enough you get scammed. I tell them live and learn but not trust anyone till they earn it. Helping a girl track down a scammer for free pussy is a definition of white knighting in my book. There are really no brothers in this sport. They are brothers as long as it is convenient. A chance at free pussy and they will throw you under the bus LOL. If a girl knows about the site they are already sex workers more than likely. The average sb on SA has know idea of this site. I've been in the bowl since 2010, first on SD4 ME and now SA and have never had a girl ask or mention about her profile being listed or talked about. Even if she did why care? She is replaced by 100's of new sb's dailey. This isn't rocket science. Jmho.[/QUOTE]Well my message was for those who *DO* care about the "secret squirrel crap" . I'm sure there are plenty of SDs out there that have lived their lives such that they have no true relationships, and nobody to really give a fuck about them, therefore they have nothing to lose really. But some of us do have something to lose, long-standing relationships and careers that we don't want to flush down the toilet, and thus would like to cover as many bases as possible with regard to anonymity.

I've only personally had one girl tell me she tracked down an SD this way, but if you consider that I only dabble in the bowl very occasionally, and the fact that very few girls that have done this would tell any of us they did it, it's an indicator that it happens fairly frequently. In addition, if you look at any of the other city threads that talk about SA, there are instances of girls finding them out or a white knight causing issues for them fairly regularly, so if your goal is to convince the SDs that this is not worth worrying about, I'd say mission not-accomplished.

What location guys are posting from is irrelevant. All it takes is typing one word into Google to find a direct path here. If you want further proof, Google my old name here on USASG (insert j-e-e-z). Some bimbo copied and pasted my post into an SB blog as an example of what chauvinistic pricks we are. And she pegged me well. lol. This is one reason I had Admin change my name on the forum, just to invalidate her actions. So that makes at least two instances of this I have personally experienced.

Almost every time you post to this news group, its kind of like a squawking seagull passing by, pulling behind him a sign that says "Career Contrarian". What would be nice is if you could try to contribute something useful to the thread instead of getting on a soapbox and announcing which parts you don't agree with, on the basis that they don't mesh with your own (apparently very limited) experiences.

You've already stated many times over that you only get pussy in the bowl when you pay through the nose for it. That doesn't mean that everyone else in the bowl suffers the same curse. It seems to me like you could learn a lot from the techniques posted here, whether you realize it or not, if you would only approach it with a less narrow-minded view of the world and allow yourself to learn from them. You would really have a lot more fun if you could put down the blinders and develop some game. If you'll pay very close attention to what is being posted here, I think you'll realize your experiences put you in the minority, and most guys are having better luck.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3355517]
Most true SB'S would not appreciate being passed around like a number written on a bathroom wall and I respect that. I treat women with respect and expect respect in return.[/QUOTE]This is the main reason I don't post girls' pics or profiles. I'm fundamentally against the girls sharing my stuff, so why would I be a hypocrite and do it to them? I may be a lot of things, but I play fair.

To me the bowl is a "secret life". I keep their secrets and I expect them to keep mine.

Now I do have empathy for the guys who get scammed and they want to alert other brothers, so they post the girls info to warn others. I'm just not sure it's necessarily the best course of action, and they need to understand the risks if they do. But, my encounters with SB never seem to end like that. I just don't get THAT involved with the girls so I don't have a lot of these problems, or maybe its just a matter of choosing better quality girls.

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3355239]I still see my pic there [URL]predatoralerts.com[/URL]. It is attached to a number I don't use anymore, so no big deal.[/QUOTE]Am I the only one that site won't load for?

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3355634]Am I the only one that site won't load for?[/QUOTE]I think the site is down, maybe for a few weeks now, thankfully. I had my shopped pic and one of my monger numbers on there.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3355599]Well my message was for those who *DO* care about the "secret squirrel crap" . I'm sure there are plenty of SDs out there that have lived their lives such that they have no true relationships, and nobody to really give a fuck about them, therefore they have nothing to lose really. But some of us do have something to lose, long-standing relationships and careers that we don't want to flush down the toilet, and thus would like to cover as many bases as possible with regard to anonymity.

I've only personally had one girl tell me she tracked down an SD this way, but if you consider that I only dabble in the bowl very occasionally, and the fact that very few girls that have done this would tell any of us they did it, it's an indicator that it happens fairly frequently. In addition, if you look at any of the other city threads that talk about SA, there are instances of girls finding them out or a white knight causing issues for them fairly regularly, so if your goal is to convince the SDs that this is not worth worrying about, I'd say mission not-accomplished.

What location guys are posting from is irrelevant. All it takes is typing one word into Google to find a direct path here. If you want further proof, Google my old name here on USASG (insert j-e-e-z). Some bimbo copied and pasted my post into an SB blog as an example of what chauvinistic pricks we are. And she pegged me well. lol. This is one reason I had Admin change my name on the forum, just to invalidate her actions. So that makes at least two instances of this I have personally experienced.

Almost every time you post to this news group, its kind of like a squawking seagull passing by, pulling behind him a sign that says "Career Contrarian". What would be nice is if you could try to contribute something useful to the thread instead of getting on a soapbox and announcing which parts you don't agree with, on the basis that they don't mesh with your own (apparently very limited) experiences.

You've already stated many times over that you only get pussy in the bowl when you pay through the nose for it. That doesn't mean that everyone else in the bowl suffers the same curse. It seems to me like you could learn a lot from the techniques posted here, whether you realize it or not, if you would only approach it with a less narrow-minded view of the world and allow yourself to learn from them. You would really have a lot more fun if you could put down the blinders and develop some game. If you'll pay very close attention to what is being posted here, I think you'll realize your experiences put you in the minority, and most guys are having better luck.[/QUOTE]Although I started out on the Richmond site I have been posting some of the knowledge and advice on my "local" board in Raleigh. As more and brothers show up on the forum along with PMs to me I have put together a list of the contributing brothers. Two elements tend to startle my "spidey" senses. One is the brothers with zero posts, even after a few months of PMing me. Second is when certain brothers PM me with "odd" questions. But frankly if the SBs find the bowl forums local to their area they will soon get to Richmond bc I for one always encourage the local brothers to educate themselves on the Bowl by reading the Richmond posts. I no longer post an SB's SA link on the forum but I have been doing it in PMs with brothers that my instincts say to trust.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3355778]Although I started out on the Richmond site I have been posting some of the knowledge and advice on my "local" board in Raleigh. As more and brothers show up on the forum along with PMs to me I have put together a list of the contributing brothers. Two elements tend to startle my "spidey" senses. One is the brothers with zero posts, even after a few months of PMing me. Second is when certain brothers PM me with "odd" questions. But frankly if the SBs find the bowl forums local to their area they will soon get to Richmond bc I for one always encourage the local brothers to educate themselves on the Bowl by reading the Richmond posts. I no longer post an SB's SA link on the forum but I have been doing it in PMs with brothers that my instincts say to trust.[/QUOTE]I think swapping profiles and pics in private is safer as a general rule, but there is still some inherent risk there. For example an otherwise credible SD might know a particular girl, but not let on that he knows her in an effort to find out what you know. I guess I just see the possible risks as greatly outweighing the gain. Let's say a trusted SD fills me in on details about a girl I'm considering meeting, and he portrays her as a scammer, or whatever. We've all heard the old saying, there are three sides to every story, his side, her side, and the truth. Best case scenario I've only heard his side, and I have no way of confirming anything without telling her what he told me (and even that would confirm nothing, its just adding a new perspective to consider). We can already see the problem here, first of all, in that example just ratted out the other SD by talking to the girl about the issue which is not cool. Second, we probably creeped her out and ran her and maybe five of her friends out of the bowl if she is a true SB rather than UTR / pro, because in my experience none of the SB's I've known would appreciate being gossiped about, it would only reflect negatively on me and the bowl in general. And no matter what, we'll never know the truth, we are just riding along on a bunch of gossip. The perspective of the SD might be biased, maybe he had feelings for her or had a big investment in her and is just trying to keep other guys away. Who knows.

The back and forth gossip thing is a game for drama queens and I refuse to play it. I just want to enjoy some good pussy when I travel as a matter of escapism. I'm not in the bowl looking for a future soulmate or anything real, so I don't need to know her entire history. I'm happy with the results my own instincts/experience are bringing me thus far, outside opinions or rumors about a girl would just complicate things. Even if the rumors are true and she did scam or steal money from her prior SD, it doesn't mean I'll ever give her the chance to do same to me. Girls can be radically different in their behavior from one guy to the next anyway. How good of a fuck she is will depend on how much she likes us, so as long as we focus on achieving that, we get what we want from the bowl.

In the past, when I've described various encounters with girls for purposes of making my point, I never reveal their city and I usually try to change one or two details so that nobody will get the impression they know that girl.