"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1783618]I started with SA but the girls seemed to want more $ so I switched to SD4ME. Sounds like that might not be the case anymore.[/QUOTE]Gentlemen,

As you all know, I am a die-hard fan of SA, but recently enjoyed a technical glitch on SD which allowed me to turn a three day free trial into a 45 day or more back door pass. Believe me, I carpet-bombed the site, sending messages to any baby that looked even remotely fuckable. I got a ton of replies from obvious pros ("let me know when you want to meet, hun") , but in truth it is also where I met my sweet, sexy and insatiable nursing student, (keeper); the baby I just spent several hours with today, (undecided); an HYM who will be another keeper (perfect, perfect, all-natural body); and a hot out-of-towner who is unfortunately the least-inspired baby, sexually, I have ever subjected my loyal friend, Scottie, to. The fact that I must have sent out more than 100 messages, to result in only four bangables, one of which I will not repeat, is not a great ratio for me.

I am now back on SA, and in a week I have been on four m&gs, and have three babies lined up to visit the FC when we can arrange our schedules. Several more are in the emailing / texting stage, and I am confident I can convert them to Panty-frees without much further ado. The lesson to be learned here, at least for me, is that the type of baby on SA, while more expensive, responds more readily to my approach / game than the babies on SD. I think the responsible thing to do is to give both sites a fair try, and see what results. The stats don't lie.

Keep up the excellent work, my brothers!

Scott

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1781565]I forgot to mention one other issue with AM and that is it is expensive!

Good luck![/QUOTE]This is my biggest issue with AM. Also there are some jerks who will start a I'm session just to use up your credits! You start the session then they don't respond at all. It has happened a few times. Very frustrating. Now I don't accept chats at all. I'll do email, but it's not worth wasting the credits for a timed chat session.

[QUOTE=HighCotton;1783031]You will have sex with me for money (which is a wonderful thing, don't get me wrong, I don't judge) , but not if I am married.[/QUOTE]100% Agree, always makes me shake my head.

[QUOTE=Flirting Guy; 1783644]RVASB-LESB. So after many weeks of co-ordinating over SA / email / text I made an arrangement with a very sexy, young lesbian couple. We hit it off! Great face / body / attitude, but they asked about establishing a long-term arrangement. And the thought of *commitment, despite being absolutely turned on to them, turned me off. The feeling of some clingy SBs freaked me out. I guess I'm having commitment issues. The last thing I want is a relationship!

Does anyone else ever experience this?[/QUOTE]Canned response.

So, as to what kind of an arrangement am I looking for. Until we get to know each other it's impossible to say and too premature to think about. I have had a # of first dates off this site and a few that led to something more (monthly allowances). So anything is possible with the right person.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1783880]This is my biggest issue with AM. Also there are some jerks who will start a I'm session just to use up your credits! You start the session then they don't respond at all. It has happened a few times. Very frustrating. Now I don't accept chats at all. I'll do email, but it's not worth wasting the credits for a timed chat session.[/QUOTE]Can't you just ask for their email address and message them for free?

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1783880]This is my biggest issue with AM. Also there are some jerks who will start a I'm session just to use up your credits! You start the session then they don't respond at all. It has happened a few times. Very frustrating. Now I don't accept chats at all. I'll do email, but it's not worth wasting the credits for a timed chat session.[/QUOTE]I seldom accept a collect I'm for that vary reason. When I use I'm, I also use the pause button liberally. I'll send a message and hit pause. This lets me drag an hour out for almost a day given the response rate is usually very low. But, I can send a sentence or two to far more women that way than using email. The problem is that a large number of women are never I'm available.

As for having luck on AM, it usually takes me several weeks to get a solid contact. A good portion of those that I chat with for more than a few minutes result in a M&G at some point down the road.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1783423]SDFM in the DC / Richmond corridor is full of unattractive and unappealing girls. I can't find one single girl I want to pursue in the 21 to 30 yr old group.[/QUOTE]Yes. I've been a little disappointed with the talent on SD4M. There are a handful or so that are interesting. I had set-up 4 M&G. I cancelled one, and two were cancelled on me. Par for the course I guess.

The one M&G I had went well. 27 AA with a nice body and decent attitude. She's not someone I would probably date, but for an on call SB she might work. We'll have another meeting next week perhaps. Which raises the question. She's being coy on the payment amount. Which is good and bad. How much do you guys suggest as payment for an afternoon of fun in a hotel?

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1784024]Yes. I've been a little disappointed with the talent on SD4M. There are a handful or so that are interesting. I had set-up 4 M&G. I cancelled one, and two were cancelled on me. Par for the course I guess.

The one M&G I had went well. 27 AA with a nice body and decent attitude. She's not someone I would probably date, but for an on call SB she might work. We'll have another meeting next week perhaps. Which raises the question. She's being coy on the payment amount. Which is good and bad. How much do you guys suggest as payment for an afternoon of fun in a hotel?[/QUOTE]$ 100 $ 100 meaning $ only in cash

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1780446]Just Game. AM does have some women on it that ask for sugar, but I've avoided them. The vast majority of them just want either sex, or a lover (relationship). The tough part is avoiding the sticky ones that want to be exclusive with you. Having said this. You can't be cheap. I don't bring them to McDonalds, and we don't shag at a Motel 6.

The women I'm currently seeing have never asked for sugar. The MILFs usually just want to meet in a hotel room (Courtyard level) , and shag. I usually bring a nice bottle of wine or Patron with some snacks. The staffer and I usually have a great dinner / wine and then to a nice hotel. The flight attendant and I do the same. Wine and dine. We've had a few vacations together too (at my expense). I've given her (besides the normal be-day / Christmas) a few random gifts over the years. She's probably given me more gifts though. She's always showing up with high-end clothes for me. Maybe she doesn't like the way I dress![/QUOTE]Mr. BikeRider,

Your assertion makes for a interesting discussion. I would argue that formula is as follows:

(Game x Sugar) minus Female horniness = POF (Panties on Floor).

What is Sugar? Is Sugar only defined by $ handed to the female?

No, it is not. The money spent on dinner, drinks, entertainment, gifts, plane tickets & the quality of the hotel, all factor in to the sugar equation in the mind of the female. And it most certainly factors into your CPO. The definition of the sugar relationship is mutually beneficial. We don't define what is considered mutually beneficial in the females mind. But our ability to determine what that is (game) and our ability to provide it (sugar) is what leads to our ultimate goal (POF).

I currently have an official SO. We have a relationship where no $ is exchanged. But, I know without a doubt that the reason I have MFD (most favored dick) status with her is BECAUSE I spend money on her! And lots of it! I don't even calculate my CPO because I don't want to know. The wonderful thing is that we have full disclosure and she does her thing and I do mine.

I'm starting a SB relationship where money is not being exchanged. But she identify's as a sugar baby. She says,"Why hang out with someone who can't do anything for me when I can hang out with someone who can?" Makes sense to me. She wants to shop. Has a certain hotel standard. And is NSA. Wants our time to be our time. She just says "Don't have another women walking down the hall as I am leaving. Wait at least ten minutes after I've left the building and we are good."

And yes gentlemen, I do understand the sugar world and what it means to be in a relationship with someone inside of it. But I've found that I simply like the females inside of this world a lot more than I like the vanilla women. They are sexier, more feminine, have the same alternative mindset towards relationships as I do and are just flat out more interesting. The costs you must pay to maintain societal appearance by remaining in approved conventional relationships is simply high to for me to endure.

Go hard, go deep, Go HAM!

SubCommander out

SD has been much better than SA in my area. SA had many flakes and crazies and the GPS was terrible.

SD is much more straight forward and the women are less mercenary. But then again I am having much more success due to my higher level of experience now.

Revvo

Met this 27 yr old preggo MILF 2 days ago from SA. She's a mom, pregnant, student, dog groomer. Busy gal. 100% Sicilian, seems she's proud of it.

We texted for a few days and set up an FC date. I always tried to skip the M&G since I have very little time. Never discussed sugar, neither I nor she brought it up but there was expectation of sugar involved.

So I went and get a room, texted her the room number and less than 10min she's knocking on my door. She showed up in a black summer dress with brown high heels and pony tail. Looks pretty darn sexy.

We introduced ourselves, chatted for 10-15 minutes and she asked to give me a massage, and who am I to refused. She gave me a light massage, not great but decent. A few minutes of it and she ordered me to turn flip over and she pulled out little me and got to work. She got good skills. I like it slow, wet, deep, and tongue flicking. While she's working on mini me, I play with her kitty and finger fucking it and she's already moaning. And did I say she didn't have a panty on under that dress? LOL.

After about 5 minutes of her oral skills, I had her on her knees and did the lazy k9. Pounding that MILF pussy as hard as I can, and spanking those ass cheeks while pulling on her pony tail. I love pony tail.

She's a screamer, and a genuinely sexual gal. She just loves cock and really enjoy being fucked. Less than 10min of K9, I busted a nut in that pussy. Yes, this is the first time that I've done the deed without the cover with a baby. She looked more than clean enough and assured me that her tests at the gyno are all clean. I know it's just her words but I just had a good feeling she's clean. And I haven't nutted bare in a pussy in a long, long time. It felt fucking great. And she's surprising tight for a MILF. She told me she's even tighter when not pregnant. LOL.

We then chatted for another 15min or so after, then we get dressed and left. I got to head back to work. On the way out, I slipped $ in her purse and she said thanks.

I planned to keep on fucking this MILF once a week until at least she has the baby, which is around Sept she said. BTW, she's willing to open up the back door if I really, really wanted it. LOL.

Got a few babies lined up next week including a 23yr old latina, a 19 yr old young AA MILF, and a 35 yr old MILF.

BTW. The M4M pills didn't seem to make me feel like 18, or even 25 at all. However, it seems to have a bit more of an affect the next morning as I woke up to a boner and mini me tends to keep getting hard through out the good part of the next day. I'll give this a try again next time and see if it does work.

New here, I've gone back and read through the entire thread. It took a while but seems well worth it! A little about me, I live outside of Boston, am 33 and getting back into shape, but got lazy about that for a few years while I was building up my business. I prefer to see spinners in the 18-21 range, and seem to be at the point where its difficult to find girls in that range without the help of being a SD. A couple years ago I fell into a kind of SD relationship with an 18 year old former pro who gave up the pro status and lived with me for a couple years. I wasn't paying her, but she did live with me, drove one of my cars, and was on my cell phone plan. Then her mother and step father were both sent to prison and she had to go take care of her 8 and 10 year old brothers. We kept in touch for a while, but she ended up finding someone else.

Since then I've been mainly seeing UTR girls, but with the help of some of the tips on here I setup an account on both SA and SD4M earlier this week. It seems most of you are getting the best results on one or the other of them, but it all depends on the area, so we'll see how it works out here. I've sent out a bunch of messages, and have heard back from four different potentials so far. Still in the talking phase with three of them, and things seem to be progressing nicely so far. First is 18 hispanic cute face, great body, seems down for anything. Second is 18, very girl next door look, and just finished her first year of college and is looking for a summer fling. The third just turned 20, hispanic, not quite a spinner but very cute. Says she's good with anything I want to do, she just got back to me this morning though so haven't really talked too much with her. I'm getting the feeling that she may be an UTR semi-pro though, we'll see.

Now that brings me to the forth.who I will be seeing in the FC tonight! She's cute. 18 (will be 19 next month) , spinner, white HYM, just looking for a little help with covering her rent and cell phone bill. She says she's looking forward to trying new things she's never done before. And I'll be glad to teach her. If things go well today we'll be getting together at least once, maybe twice a week for an allowance of $.75 / week. I was skeptical of this one (and still kind of am) thinking that maybe she was UTR because she has two different active profiles. Different pictures on each, but you can tell it her on both. But with such a small sugar amount, and the fact that she hasn't placed any time restrictions on how long she'll be staying in the FC I'm not sure.

I know there's a risk with having so many potentials who are 18-19, but I've managed to get pictures of their IDs confirming their age so that should help lower the risk.

And while I was typing this up I just got a text from potential #5. She's another 18 year old, only has a face picture up, claims to have a slim body. Girl next door look, full time college student with a full time job. Looking for not much sugar, more that she wants to travel and get out of the small town she lives in. She lives almost 5 hours from me, and if I can setup a FC M&G in her area wants to come to visit me for a couple weekends a month if I cover the expense of the train ride. She's never been here so that apparently will count as traveling for her.

Anyway, wanted to say thanks to all here for the invaluable information in this thread. I'll update you all as time goes on.

So this is the 23yr old latina I mentioned earlier.

This is a strange one. She's on SD4M. I hit her up a few months ago. We've texted for a week or two trying to set something up but she was always too damn busy with work, so it never worked out. Couldn't get a date together.

Or maybe she wasn't too excited about my initial sugar offer and now realized she couldn't find anything better. LOL.

So I stopped communication with her for over a month now. Suddenly, yesterday she send me a txt and we started talking again. Seems her work got cut down significantly and she's working only a few days a week and want to get something going.

I have her set up for Monday. But she could flake. I am not too optimistic on this pot, but I wouldn't mind hitting that booty if she does show up. .

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CL has been busy in my local areas. More busy than I have the time for.

This is the 19yr AA MILF. Have her on a 300 monthly allowance, for getting the FC twice a week. I am a cheap bastard. .

Cute face, and one heck of an ass. Have her on the dock next week as well.

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[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1784191]Mr. BikeRider,

Your assertion makes for a interesting discussion. I would argue that formula is as follows:

(Game x Sugar) minus Female horniness = POF (Panties on Floor).

What is Sugar? Is Sugar only defined by $ handed to the female?

No, it is not. The money spent on dinner, drinks, entertainment, gifts, plane tickets & the quality of the hotel, all factor in to the sugar equation in the mind of the female. And it most certainly factors into your CPO. The definition of the sugar relationship is mutually beneficial. We don't define what is considered mutually beneficial in the females mind. But our ability to determine what that is (game) and our ability to provide it (sugar) is what leads to our ultimate goal (POF).

I currently have an official SO. We have a relationship where no $ is exchanged. But, I know without a doubt that the reason I have MFD (most favored dick) status with her is BECAUSE I spend money on her! And lots of it! I don't even calculate my CPO because I don't want to know. The wonderful thing is that we have full disclosure and she does her thing and I do mine.

I'm starting a SB relationship where money is not being exchanged. But she identify's as a sugar baby. She says,"Why hang out with someone who can't do anything for me when I can hang out with someone who can?" Makes sense to me. She wants to shop. Has a certain hotel standard. And is NSA. Wants our time to be our time. She just says "Don't have another women walking down the hall as I am leaving. Wait at least ten minutes after I've left the building and we are good."

And yes gentlemen, I do understand the sugar world and what it means to be in a relationship with someone inside of it. But I've found that I simply like the females inside of this world a lot more than I like the vanilla women. They are sexier, more feminine, have the same alternative mindset towards relationships as I do and are just flat out more interesting. The costs you must pay to maintain societal appearance by remaining in approved conventional relationships is simply high to for me to endure.

Go hard, go deep, Go HAM!

SubCommander out[/QUOTE]SubCommander,

I agree completely. CPO does, in fact, include the wining and dining. One of the reasons why I decided to try the SB game out a bit. I figured the CPO would be about the same or less, and I might be able to go younger. The jury is still out.

BR

So here are my long promised stats.

I joined a week ago, and I've experienced the same "bug" as another poster. I used a pre-paid card that only had $5 on it for the free trial. After three days, I received a message that my re-bill failed. I still have Total Access etc. We'll see how long it lasts.

Here are the numbers for one week:

194. Views.

93. Emails sent to me.

40. Kisses.

61. Emails I sent (some of these were replies)

20. Emails not replied.

9. Emails not opened / read.

Notable mentions:

-I received one blackmail email asking for $4500 in green dot cash. I was to email said green dot numbers in 2 hrs or else my personal details would be provided to "friends and family".

-I received about 3-4 emails asking for cash straight away.

-The infamous "baroness" from the Richmond area emailed me.

-I may have found a good friend's 19 year old niece on SD4M (no I didn't contact her. Even though she is f'ing amazing looking).

-I experienced one game player. Sending me random emails saying bizarre things.

Finally, the vast majority of my views and emails happened during the three day trial period. This may be the results of the "fresh meat" syndrome where the pros and semi-pros pile on the new guy.

I'm still in communications with about six women at this point. Of those six, I'd say only two are keepers for any length of time. Both are 20 years old, and both are students at a good local University (or so they say). We'll see where it goes. One of them is at home (out of DC) for the summer. The other has potential, but her replies often take a day or two.

I'm starting to look at this thing of ours like three legs of a stool: AM, SD, and Pros. Each leg has it place and utility. I like AM because I've been lucky to find quality career women that I can take to good restaurants and nice vacations. Pros are nice when you just need it and don't have much time ("I don't pay women for sex. I pay them to leave." Carlos Estevez aka Charlie Sheen). SD may fill that void for young and fresh as I get ready to join the ranks of the AARP. We'll see.

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You should buy her some shoes that will match that little black dress. Maybe some red pumps. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1784286]Met this 27 yr old preggo MILF 2 days ago from SA. She's a mom, pregnant, student, dog groomer. Busy gal. 100% Sicilian, seems she's proud of it.

We texted for a few days and set up an FC date. I always tried to skip the M&G since I have very little time. Never discussed sugar, neither I nor she brought it up but there was expectation of sugar involved.

So I went and get a room, texted her the room number and less than 10min she's knocking on my door. She showed up in a black summer dress with brown high heels and pony tail. Looks pretty darn sexy.

We introduced ourselves, chatted for 10-15 minutes and she asked to give me a massage, and who am I to refused. She gave me a light massage, not great but decent. A few minutes of it and she ordered me to turn flip over and she pulled out little me and got to work. She got good skills. I like it slow, wet, deep, and tongue flicking. While she's working on mini me, I play with her kitty and finger fucking it and she's already moaning. And did I say she didn't have a panty on under that dress? LOL.

After about 5 minutes of her oral skills, I had her on her knees and did the lazy k9. Pounding that MILF pussy as hard as I can, and spanking those ass cheeks while pulling on her pony tail. I love pony tail.

She's a screamer, and a genuinely sexual gal. She just loves cock and really enjoy being fucked. Less than 10min of K9, I busted a nut in that pussy. Yes, this is the first time that I've done the deed without the cover with a baby. She looked more than clean enough and assured me that her tests at the gyno are all clean. I know it's just her words but I just had a good feeling she's clean. And I haven't nutted bare in a pussy in a long, long time. It felt fucking great. And she's surprising tight for a MILF. She told me she's even tighter when not pregnant. LOL.

We then chatted for another 15min or so after, then we get dressed and left. I got to head back to work. On the way out, I slipped $ in her purse and she said thanks.

I planned to keep on fucking this MILF once a week until at least she has the baby, which is around Sept she said. BTW, she's willing to open up the back door if I really, really wanted it. LOL.

Got a few babies lined up next week including a 23yr old latina, a 19 yr old young AA MILF, and a 35 yr old MILF.

BTW. The M4M pills didn't seem to make me feel like 18, or even 25 at all. However, it seems to have a bit more of an affect the next morning as I woke up to a boner and mini me tends to keep getting hard through out the good part of the next day. I'll give this a try again next time and see if it does work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;1784733]You should buy her some shoes that will match that little black dress. Maybe some red pumps. LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. You do pay attention to details.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1784447]Finally, the vast majority of my views and emails happened during the three day trial period. This may be the results of the "fresh meat" syndrome where the pros and semi-pros pile on the new guy.[/QUOTE]The idea now is to stay on and reverse that dynamic. Because in the girls case, a lot of the hotties jump off fast. Sometimes you may be the only guy to get in there before they ditch the site completely.

Obviously I am new here to posting, but have been lurking with fascination for some time. I would like to extend thanks to all of the regular posters here. The intel / technigues / strategies presented and discussed on this forum are invaluable.

I finally got serious last week and joined one of the websites that has been discussed here. Even though I am single with no SO at the moment, I did create an undercover alias. Email, google voice (which I still can't get configured the way I would like. I will have to read back in the forum as I know it was been discussed in detail). I did this just to have some general security measures in place. My long-term goal would be to find a long-term SB or 2 that are not doing this as job. But rather actually enjoy spending time and are turned on as much by me as I am by them. The only missing link would be because of the age gap, we just wouldn't work in a real life situation. Plus they would need help with some expenses but not be dying for cash. My short-term goal is to spread as much seed in the process. For the record, I am mid forties, decent shape, decent looks. My optimal SB would be between 25-30. It's not that I can't go out and score ass in the civilian world, but I am just tired of putting in the work that is involved in that. Plus the drama. Not to mention, I think civilian dating / relationships are probably more costly then the SB route. At least in my experience.

Anyway, like I said, I joined and immediately sent out about 50 emails to SBs in the area I am interested in. The response was huge. Here is a breakdown so far:

EMSB1 (Expressoman SB1) : This one actually contacted me. I never sent her a message first. I can't even remember how the dialogue went now on the website as I have sent and received a lot of messages, but we quickly proceeded to texting. She is 35, white, single mom, has a part time job. Probably a 6 in the face. 6 in the body (thickness) .10 for attitude. This is the type that you may not want your buddies seeing you with, but at the end of the night she looks pretty good. Anyway, not even 24 hours after I had joined the site, we agreed to meet. I drove to her town about 45 minutes away and met her at a bar inside a hotel. She looked as pictured. Was very nice. We sat and chatted over a drink. We talked a little about what each is expecting, etc. I would say both of us were on the vague side. She kept saying she had never done this and didn't really know what to do. She was tired of real dating and was giving this a try. I said I was new too and really didn't know. Throughout the convo, I could tell she wanted to proceed to the FC. So finally I threw it out there and said why don't I get a room so we can relax / see if we have chemistry and figure things out from there? She agreed, I got the room and we headed up. The girl is a complete freak. Nothing was off limits. True GFE / pornstar quality. She has a submissive side and like to be told what to do, how to do it, etc. And she aims to please. Anyway, a solid 2 hours was enjoyed by both parties with never any expectations of sugar. All it cost me was the FC and an $11 bar tab. I asked if she wanted dinner and she declined. LOL. We have been texting daily since. I am confident all I have to do is say the word and she will be on her knees. I'm sure there was some beginner's luck involved here but I will take it. What a great start!

EMSB2: She responded to my message. She is white. 25, a slightly thick but the pics look great. She works in childcare but needs sugar for extras, etc. We have emailed, texted, and talked on the phone. She seems quite game for all. Kind of pressing me on what I am willing to do on the SD / SB arrangement side of things. I have held my ground and said I would like to meet, see if we have chemistry and if so, we will discuss and negotiate a sugar per meet arrangement and proceed. She seems to have a little experience. And I am speculating, but she may have a slight case of GPS. But I won't know that until if / when we start talking sugar. I was supposed to meet her last night but had to cancel due to something on my end. She seemed a little disappointed which I will take as a good sign. She has a busy schedule this coming week so we might not be able to meet until next week sometime. I am keeping my fingers crossed on this one.

There are a few others I have been messaging and texting but honestly haven't had the time to cultivate. I don't know how some of you guys do it. Managing 6+ SBs, SO, work, etc. LOL. Obviously I need to get better organized. I will report when I can on any findings, experiences, SB updates as often as I can. Again, thank you all for sharing your experiences. This forum is a wealth of information.

Them

Burn phone tip from another board:

[QUOTE=WarlockKy; 1785346]And one other bit of info, SIM5 puts you on TMobile's network & SIM4 puts you on AT&T, so you might want to consider that if you have coverage issues.

If you buy one off eBay or directly from TracFone specifying a zip of 65046 will guarantee you being put on AT&T and you can also change your number every 30 days by calling to switch your area code.

As far as a credit card, get a green dot or Walmart prepaid and that will also make things more difficult to track.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpressoMan;1785018]She is 35, white, single mom, has a part time job. Probably a 6 in the face. 6 in the body (thickness) .10 for attitude. I am confident all I have to do is say the word and she will be on her knees. I'm sure there was some beginner's luck involved here but I will take it. What a great start![/QUOTE]If this is your target, you will find a lot of older, not so perfect, MILFY types that just "don't want to date a loser". (their words not mine). So they figure a guy on an SD site might be a good place to look. And if they were to take money from you that would make them a "pro". Short for the word they normally use and not a concept that sits well with them.

What their attitude is down the road, I couldn't say. But make hay while the sun shines.

If my Sugar Bowl career ends tomorrow, I can now retire happy.

I'll give a little more in-depth update later, but I just want to quickly jot down my experience while I'm still in the after-glow. So my SA membership was about to expire and with a few days remaining, out of the blue a 20 year-old Eastern European student / model contacts me. She actually lived within a 2-hour radius of me but because she was Eastern European, I instantly assumed it was just another scam at first. I was slow responding and she eventually sent me another follow-up messages to ask if I was still interested in talking and etc. I decided to bite and she gave me her phone number, but again I was a little slow sending her the initial text message.

I finally starting texting her and we exchanged pictures. She seemed to like my picture and she sent me a couple of her pictures. They looked good, but the angles were a bit awkward and I thought she might be a 7 or 8 (in both body and face). Still we clicked pretty well over text and she asked to meet this weekend. Not once did she mention anything about allowance. I usually like to sort the allowance before the meet, but this time I decided to go with the flow. We already agreed that if M&G went well, we'd proceed to the FC afterward (though she was a little hesitant at the idea first).

So yesterday we meet for lunch. Even though she lives 2 hours away, she drove 3/4 the way toward me, which was great. When she steps out of the car I'm looking at a [b]10/10 [/b] (Face / Body) model type Eastern European girl. Literally a perfect 10! I got to admit I was a little bit intimidated. I've been with some attractive girls, generally 8s and the rare 9. But never in the Sugar Bowl with a certified Perfect 10. People's heads were turning and just about every guy was eying her in the restaurant at one point or another. That's how hot she was. While I was happy to share company with this Perfect 10, I thought for sure I was going to have a GPS on my hands especially since we still hadn't discussed the allowance.

The lunch went well and we had finished our food but still the allowance never came up. In fact we had a little awkward moment because I wanted to try to proceed things to the FC but I wasn't sure if it was wise since again no allowance had been discussed. But I asked if she wanted to go to the FC and we both laughed because she was eager and waiting for me to ask.

In the FC, oh my. Her body was even more flawless than I could have imagined. Perky C-cups, long legs, slender body, soft skin, and shapely ass. And she just wasn't a pretty statue either, she really got into it and was super affectionate. It was like having a long-lost girlfriend. And then at the end of each round, she completely gulped down all my man-juice. I honestly never had oral pleasures that good, especially from someone her age.

We spent the whole afternoon and evening together in the FC (7 hours.ish). In between rounds we would talk and then cuddle. She even went out briefly to buy us coffee, which she insisted on paying for. And again no discussion of allowance yet! Toward the end, she was already talking about us getting together again soon, so clearly she enjoyed herself. But I was starting to get nervous that the allowance I would give her wouldn't be adequate. At the end, I walked her to the car and gave her an envelope of $.5. Honestly she was worth twice that amount but that's all I brought because I had no idea she would be a 10/10/10/10 across the board (face, body, attitude, skills).

When she drove off she waved and wished me safe travels, but I don't know if she looked at the amount yet. I am a little nervous that the allowance I gave her didn't meet her expectations because she's had a couple of very rich boyfriends (well beyond my networth). But she also has a particular affinity for my race and I could definitely feel she was attracted to me, so perhaps that's why the allowance was never discussed. Still I know it's part of the deal. Later today, when I txt her I guess I'll find out if the allowance I gave her was a deal breaker or not.

Either way, even if I don't see her again or another SB for that matter, I can die happy from the Sugar Bowl. We've talked about numerous times in this forum about having a hot time with a 6 several times instead of a 10 once. But what if you find a 20 year-old non-GPS 10 who gets down and dirty like 6 with the skills of a MILF, and with also a sweet personality? I just experienced that and it was like a small piece of heaven. Sometimes one absolutely amazing experience can trump them all. If she actually texts me back and is satisfied with the allowance I gave her, I'm going to put all the other SBs out to pasture. May not be the smartest thing to do, but my Euro SB exceeds all my other SBs in every category. So I rather put all my resources in keeping my Euro Baby happy.

Okay I'm done. You can pull the cord.

Thanks for the comment HWG. I can see what you mean. It makes sense. I definitley want to raise the bar. I was just surprised how easy it was to score if you are in need. I got back on the site yesterday and by evening I had 2 m&g's lined up with 2 more today. The 2 from last night were both aa, both thick but solid 7s in the face. Both were great potentials and I will probably see again. One was 23 the other was 35. The 35yr old an I made out like 9th graders in the car before going home. I also have been in contact with a couple of really nice prospects who I hope to set up meets with soon. I will report in more detail when I have time. Again, I'm surprised it is all so easy.

Them.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1785567]If this is your target, you will find a lot of older, not so perfect, MILFY types that just "don't want to date a loser". (their words not mine). So they figure a guy on an SD site might be a good place to look. And if they were to take money from you that would make them a "pro". Short for the word they normally use and not a concept that sits well with them.

What their attitude is down the road, I couldn't say. But make hay while the sun shines.[/QUOTE]

So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.

[QUOTE=Zomby; 1785724]So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.[/QUOTE]I am older, handsome, look younger, sweet, affectionate, reasonably generous, and still struggle to find a string of girls.

I believe it is personality and comfort in "the Game". So Zomby man, if you "got game " then you are good. The bottom line is, that all SBs that we lust after think of our age as old. Shoot, a freshman in college thinks a senior is old (my kids terminology). Thirty something guys (a few on here) have an advantage with 18 to 20 somethings, but if you project power, wealth, privilege, and confidence then I think girls can overlook looks, shape, and age somewhat. They want to be taken care of financially, then sexually. Occasionally we find that amazing nugget of gold who clicks with us and is not into the Money (like JG Smith just found)

Just my opinion and as usual, YMMV

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1785658]If my Sugar Bowl career ends tomorrow, I can now retire happy.[/QUOTE]When is this going to happen to me. LOL

[QUOTE=Zomby; 1785724]So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.[/QUOTE]I stay in touch with a few of my X's (and have queried many a SB over time) and I would say that looks are second (or third) to personality and sugar for most of these girls. Other wise they would be paying me. More LOLz

[QUOTE=Zomby; 1785724]So, do these sites work for us overweight, old, ugly guys as well as you young, hot, studly types?

I get the distinct impression that I would greatly suffer in comparison to some of you guys.[/QUOTE]SD4M girls are more desperate and are more closer to Non-pro or UTR. You should have no problems.

SA requires a little more game, but still as long as you are not a weirdo, and have decent conversation you are fine.

You can always compensate lack of looks or game by offering a high sugar amount, at 1200 bucks a month or 300-500 per meet.

You shouldn't have any problems.

I'm 32, been doing this off and on since I was 29 (I still lie to some of the girls and say I'm 29)

I could always attract average to below average girls at bars, but eventually got tired of the grind everytime I went out.

I use the sugar bowl to, bone girls that I usually could bone but with less effort and BS. I also use the sugar bowl to try out kinky sex.

That I like, but would afraid to try on a civvy girl, I didn't know very well. The most important attribute is that I use the sugar to bone.

Super hott chicks that normaly would not give an somewhat above average guy like me the time of day. So I usually end up paying more for the almost model types.

Even though I am good looking and in shape.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1785963]When is this going to happen to me. LOL[/QUOTE]I just got a text from her saying she enjoyed our time together, so yaay! No mention of the allowance I gave her, so at least the amount I gave her didn't turn her away.

But she's a bit of a free spirit and she attracts attention wherever she goes. I've been used to having my SBs semi-exclusive to me, but I'm going to have to get used to just letting her do whatever on her own time and simply enjoy the time we do spend together. Which is fair because honestly I've been a bit of a hypocrite. I demand SBs to be fairly exclusive to me but then I'm still seeing multiple SBs (at least for the past 6 months).

Still HWG, I'm envious of the harem you got. Not simply because you have multiple SBs, but because you have them all aware of each other and they're more or less okay with it.

I just wanted to remind the brotherhood to make sure you spend time writing a profile that does a good job of describing who you are and what you want. My Euro Baby found me by search and my profile got her attention so she sought me out. As I said, she basically just fell into my lap.

Some of the best SBs I've had were the ones that contacted me first. Because I added a good amount of detail to my profile, after you weed out the long distance girls and spam, the girls who contact me after reading it are usually pre-qualified very well right from the start.

Obviously, being proactive and sending out first contact messages is still very important. But a well-written profile which details what you're looking for can bring in a surprise or two either today or a few weeks / months from now. I've noticed when I make the initial contact usually I can snag up to a 7. But the times I got an 8 or above, they almost always made the initial contact. It doesn't happen often, but the time I spent on writing my profile (on both SA and SDFM) has paid dividends. So don't overlook it.

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1786065]I just wanted to remind the brotherhood to make sure you spend time writing a profile that does a good job of describing who you are and what you want.[/QUOTE]This is a very interesting subject. I'd really like to hear how much detail you go into. I started out very generic, then beefed it up a little but still am not specific, other than to say looking for an ongoing arrangement, one to two times per week. Do you mention that you expect a physical relationship in your profile? Discuss sugar at all? I would also be interested in any feedback you've gotten from SB's as to what caught their eye. I think HG could probably give some insight into that as well.

Love the report. And I agree wholeheartedly on your advice.

My best babies, have all contacted me first. I can get them the other way but it is so much more work.

There is an old saying that says we chose the women that chose us. So true. Also work the profile speak from the heart. Be descriptive. Spend time on it. Tune it for different age groups. Use their language not yours.

Finally I do not believe women are nearly as concerned about looks as we are. Except for maybe the really young ones and that is mainly because they have not developed any other criteria yet. One of the best looking ones I have, going to be fucking her tonight. Never asked for a picture. She even told me she did not care.

It is the personality, with, charm, and above all confidence that women want. And finally they crave honesty. Give her this and you are golden. Don't and you are In a fight.

Of course the whole SD / SB process can screw this up sometimes.

Revvo

You are right on with this assessment Rob. I agree completely and yours is very much my strategy as well. In my rookie experience, I think that your game is almost as important as the sugar. The way I see it, I am in a total uncover fantasy world so why not just throw it all out there (game-wise) hold nothing back. You have nothing to lose. Be confident, crack jokes, get outside of your comfort zone if you will. I have said things and acted in a manner that I never would in the civilian world. Not in a bad way, but just more outgoing and confident than I typically would be. As many guys have said on this board, there is a huge supply of babies and this number is increasing daily. So if you strike out, there is another right around the corner. So far it is working quite well for me. Don't let your age, looks or shape be YOUR hang-up. Because it isn't theirs. As Hernando said, we are all old to them. Doesn't matter if you are 35 or 65. We are old. Unless your fishy in the MILF or GILF ponds. If you let your age or looks bother you, no matter how you try to hide or ignore it, it will bleed through and be a downer for the baby. Just my 2 cents guys and may I say again, thanks for all the fine insights and tips from everyone.

Expressoman

[QUOTE=Rob Taylor; 1785994]SD4M girls are more desperate and are more closer to Non-pro or UTR. You should have no problems.

SA requires a little more game, but still as long as you are not a weirdo, and have decent conversation you are fine.

You can always compensate lack of looks or game by offering a high sugar amount, at 1200 bucks a month or 300-500 per meet.

You shouldn't have any problems.

I'm 32, been doing this off and on since I was 29 (I still lie to some of the girls and say I'm 29)

I could always attract average to below average girls at bars, but eventually got tired of the grind everytime I went out.

I use the sugar bowl to, bone girls that I usually could bone but with less effort and BS. I also use the sugar bowl to try out kinky sex.

That I like, but would afraid to try on a civvy girl, I didn't know very well. The most important attribute is that I use the sugar to bone.

Super hott chicks that normaly would not give an somewhat above average guy like me the time of day. So I usually end up paying more for the almost model types.

Even though I am good looking and in shape.[/QUOTE]

Now this is what I call a good deal!

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO; 1784411]CL has been busy in my local areas. More busy than I have the time for.

This is the 19yr AA MILF. Have her on a 300 monthly allowance, for getting the FC twice a week. I am a cheap bastard. .

Cute face, and one heck of an ass. Have her on the dock next week as well.

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Congrats Expresso.

I highlighted your line before because it's great to be able to get away without paying any Sugar. But from my experience you will gain major bonus points even if you just give enough money for gas. Often the woman would not want to ask and with you taking the lead and giving sugar, you have a great chance of being respected more and getting a return visit. Remember it is a SD site, so a little sugar never hurts.

Otherwise, keep it up man great work!

[QUOTE=ExpressoMan;1785018]Anyway, a solid 2 hours was enjoyed by both parties with never any expectations of sugar. All it cost me was the FC and an $11 bar tab.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1786065]I just wanted to remind the brotherhood to make sure you spend time writing a profile that does a good job of describing who you are and what you want. My Euro Baby found me by search and my profile got her attention so she sought me out. As I said, she basically just fell into my lap.

Some of the best SBs I've had were the ones that contacted me first. Because I added a good amount of detail to my profile, after you weed out the long distance girls and spam, the girls who contact me after reading it are usually pre-qualified very well right from the start.

Obviously, being proactive and sending out first contact messages is still very important. But a well-written profile which details what you're looking for can bring in a surprise or two either today or a few weeks / months from now. I've noticed when I make the initial contact usually I can snag up to a 7. But the times I got an 8 or above, they almost always made the initial contact. It doesn't happen often, but the time I spent on writing my profile (on both SA and SDFM) has paid dividends. So don't overlook it.[/QUOTE]3000% Agree!