Arrangement Reports

[QUOTE=Randolph;3917699]Of .

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/527499a3-2bc5-4b6c-a6d8-67b645351559[/URL]

I asked if she had a place to meet and she said its 1000 for the meet but only 800 if I get the room.

Seriously who the hell is going to give this one that kind of money?

Happy hunting.

Randolph.[/QUOTE]She's moderately new, that should change soon.

One of the underrated aspects of SA is seeing how hilariously out of touch the new girls are. If you read through the new accounts so many of them seem to have no idea of their competition on the site. Girls I wouldn't give 100 to are signing up with attitudes like they are SA's saving grace and about to change the game, with headlines like "believe it or not I'm real" or "chicago's best finally here". Then you read the bio and some BS about "not willing to meet but can possibly send some lucky daddy some cute photos if the price is right". I always get a kick out of these, especially when I check back in 2 weeks and their profiles / attitudes are completely different since they finally get the idea that 1) there are much better looking women than them on the site and 2) we have the internet and don't pay for photos.

Was talking with this one for a hot minute and then the profile disappeared. I didn't do or say anything to get blocked.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/1aa395a9-c837-4abb-8f57-60c236aa9800[/URL]

[QUOTE=Randolph;3917699]Of the value of her pussy.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/527499a3-2bc5-4b6c-a6d8-67b645351559[/URL]

I asked if she had a place to meet and she said its 1000 for the meet but only 800 if I get the room.

Seriously who the hell is going to give this one that kind of money?

Happy hunting.

Randolph.[/QUOTE]She told me 600, but she will do it at 500 for me, whatever, so I pass.

[QUOTE=CreativeEros;3917595]Hi Gents. I was an SA member several months ago, had a bad experience with my personal info being compromised and I was one of those 'extortion' victims. Spent a little money (through a reputable site) to take down my private info from the web so shied away from SA since then. However, with the new laws in place resulting in all our favorite websites being MIA (I truly miss CL Personals always had a lot of fun there but glad USG figured out how to stay alive), I recently rejoined SA a bit wiser but with an extremely discreet mindset. During my previous stint on SA, one of the women I was chatting with shared a warning with me that Federal LEO was starting to look at the 'arrangement' sites more carefully. Apparently wherever she got that news from freaked her out and she closed her account. How much validity I put to that statement, I do not know. However, I've recently had somewhat unusual interactions with a couple of the ladies out here when it came to scheduling a meeting and discussing price. I think a combination of my past extortion experience, the warning she gave me and these recent unusual interactions are promoting this question. What thoughts do you guys have on LEO (federal or local) spending resources by creating fake accounts and pursuing us horny innocents for trying to get our rocks off with some of these lovely ladies?

I'll now hang up and listen for my answers.

[/QUOTE]I would never say I know for sure, but its most likely this is just paranoia and the girl parroting back half-understood news she's heard.

First, there's no Federal law on the books that applies to the indivdual transactions that make up the hobby. Think about it. If that were true then the legal Nevada brothels wouldn't be able to exist inside the US borders. Check this page as a reference: [URL]https://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000119[/URL]. Feds are concerned about trafficking across state or country borders (especially in the current anti-immigration environment), or 'coercion' to lure girls again across states or into the country. FOSTA-SESTA is a new wrinkle, but that law targets website providers specifically, not individual providers / clients. So that puts the whole marketplace at risk of being shut down and is the obvious motivator behind many of the changes on SA and aversion to all the old 'allowance' and ppm references. In the unlikely case they're trying to sting SA based on that law, I'd think it would be a girl that would be targeted so they could document an offer of $ for services using the site. Keep in mind that despite all the frantic shutting down of sites and extreme fear, there has not yet been a trial, let alone a conviction, based on FOSTA-SESTA (the Backpage seizure is still crawling through pre-trial).

So that leaves your local LE which obviously can aggressively enforce their own anti-prostitution laws. In this case again, there's little reason other than possibly headlines to commit the resources to sting people on SA when they can put an ad up wherever ads are now and net a dozen guys in a few hours. To avoid even this small chance, you just need to use the same common sense that's been pushed on here for years. Don't discuss prices and acts ahead of time and don't share personal info at any point in the process. If you stick to the 'traditional' arrangement process. M&G, agreement on arrangement terms face-to-face, and moving to a location you control. You're pretty close to 100% safe. There's no way a stretched-thin local PD is going to commit an undercover team to go through a drawn-out meeting and negotiaiton to nail one guy for a likely misdemeanor.

I'm sure there may be other opinions or more to the story, but that's the way I see it. I think it can be happy hunting in the SB herd if you keep your head on reasonably straight.

[blue]Not trying to be a dick but there have already been stings run on SB sites. You can google it and find it. Guys have reported them on the forum.

A2[/blue]

Hey all, I've been trying to see these profiles however every link I press just sends me to a profile not found page. I'd appreciate it f anyone knows how to work around this.

[QUOTE=Csamstag;3917853]Was talking with this one for a hot minute and then the profile disappeared. I didn't do or say anything to get blocked.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/1aa395a9-c837-4abb-8f57-60c236aa9800[/URL][/QUOTE]Wrong link, this is the right one - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e0948939-d549-4e56-80aa-5a6323403cb1[/URL].

[QUOTE=FafaFooey;3918185]I would never say I know for sure, but its most likely this is just paranoia and the girl parroting back half-understood news she's heard.

First, there's no Federal law on the books that applies to the indivdual transactions that make up the hobby. Think about it. If that were true then the legal Nevada brothels wouldn't be able to exist inside the US borders. Check this page as a reference: [URL]https://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000119[/URL]. Feds are concerned about trafficking across state or country borders (especially in the current anti-immigration environment), or 'coercion' to lure girls again across states or into the country. FOSTA-SESTA is a new wrinkle, but that law targets website providers specifically, not individual providers / clients. So that puts the whole marketplace at risk of being shut down and is the obvious motivator behind many of the changes on SA and aversion to all the old 'allowance' and ppm references. In the unlikely case they're trying to sting SA based on that law, I'd think it would be a girl that would be targeted so they could document an offer of $ for services using the site. Keep in mind that despite all the frantic shutting down of sites and extreme fear, there has not yet been a trial, let alone a conviction, based on FOSTA-SESTA (the Backpage seizure is still crawling through pre-trial).

So that leaves your local LE which obviously can aggressively enforce their own anti-prostitution laws. In this case again, there's little reason other than possibly headlines to commit the resources to sting people on SA when they can put an ad up wherever ads are now and net a dozen guys in a few hours. To avoid even this small chance, you just need to use the same common sense that's been pushed on here for years. Don't discuss prices and acts ahead of time and don't share personal info at any point in the process. If you stick to the 'traditional' arrangement process. M&G, agreement on arrangement terms face-to-face, and moving to a location you control. You're pretty close to 100% safe. There's no way a stretched-thin local PD is going to commit an undercover team to go through a drawn-out meeting and negotiaiton to nail one guy for a likely misdemeanor.

I'm sure there may be other opinions or more to the story, but that's the way I see it. I think it can be happy hunting in the SB herd if you keep your head on reasonably straight.

[blue]Not trying to be a dick but there have already been stings run on SB sites. You can google it and find it. Guys have reported them on the forum.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Never would think someone's a dick for trying to spread useful info. But when I search around, the only legal troubles I see involving SA so far are guys busted for hooking up with underage girls or related crimes like assault, blackmail, etc. Almost always after the fact. I can't find any account of a 'typical' arrangement ending with a potential SD busted for solicitation or something similar. Either way, I was just counseling common sense and caution vs cutting-and-running over paranoia. I think the legal risks of fooling around on SA are much smaller than partaking of traditional escorts, especially the lower-end providers, and the biggest concerns are privacy and personal security. But I'm always open to being further informed / educated by any experiences that are shared here!

[blue]I don't remember where but I have read it on the forum, I know I have. I don't know how else to say this, chicks on SA are traditional escorts. What you're doing is soliciting. Now that backpage is gone do you think all those cops that were running stings there have retired or opened donut shops? They are doing the exact same stuff there they did on BP, trapping pedos, getting guys to show up for dates. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, time will tell and I'm telling you, as the guy who reads a couple thousand posts all over this forum on a daily basis that it's already happening.

I have to say though that I hope that through this delusion people have about arrangements public opinion will be pulled to the place, like it did with weed, where chicks can just sell pussy if they want to like the rest of the civilized world.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Kingforamonth;3917838]She's moderately new, that should change soon.

so many of them seem to have no idea of their competition on the site. [/QUOTE]That is absolutely true. Had a very attractive lady in her late 30's hit me up. Her ad said "monthly allowance in the 5 figures per month". Told her politely she was crazy.

Few weeks later she's back messaging me and wants 1000/ meet. Politely tell her she's still delusional.

Couple weeks after that she's back and says how about 500/ meet.

Finally I said listen. Your a late 30's lady and your competition is thousands of college girls who think 300 is a lot of money. Blah blah I've got experience they don't she says. Sorry sister, the market makes the rules not you.

Dipping my toes into the SA waters. Do you need to pay these guys to actually message the girls? I can't decide if that's worth it or not.

[QUOTE=FafaFooey;3918420]Never would think someone's a dick for trying to spread useful info. But when I search around, the only legal troubles I see involving SA so far are guys busted for hooking up with underage girls or related crimes like assault, blackmail, etc. Almost always after the fact. I can't find any account of a 'typical' arrangement ending with a potential SD busted for solicitation or something similar. Either way, I was just counseling common sense and caution vs cutting-and-running over paranoia. I think the legal risks of fooling around on SA are much smaller than partaking of traditional escorts, especially the lower-end providers, and the biggest concerns are privacy and personal security. But I'm always open to being further informed / educated by any experiences that are shared here!

[blue]I don't remember where but I have read it on the forum, I know I have. I don't know how else to say this, chicks on SA are traditional escorts. What you're doing is soliciting. Now that backpage is gone do you think all those cops that were running stings there have retired or opened donut shops? They are doing the exact same stuff there they did on BP, trapping pedos, getting guys to show up for dates. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, time will tell and I'm telling you, as the guy who reads a couple thousand posts all over this forum on a daily basis that it's already happening.

I have to say though that I hope that through this delusion people have about arrangements public opinion will be pulled to the place, like it did with weed, where chicks can just sell pussy if they want to like the rest of the civilized world.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]All valid points gents. And especially A2's last argument that with Backpage now being gone, with previous stings associated with that site, do the Sting Masters just shut up shop or seek alternative sites to sting. Columbo trench wearing, cigar smoking, disheveled food for thought. Is SA a website where prostitution trying to hide itself in 'date a coed for gifts' clothing. Of course it is. Is LEO keeping on eye on it potentially seeking new avenues for arrests. Quite possibly and I would even say probably. Is my paranoia justified. I've always taught my kids to follow their guts / intuition and I usually try to follow my own advice, so my gut tells me it is. I'm certain the majority of SA ladies are legit but even if only 1% of ads are something other than what they claim to be, then I suppose caution and treading smartly with 100% of all interactions is the way to go. I appreciate the back and forth guys. Helped with this whole thought process. Have fun and play safe. CE.

[QUOTE=Acidjazz;3918727]Dipping my toes into the SA waters. Do you need to pay these guys to actually message the girls? I can't decide if that's worth it or not.[/QUOTE]Acid. If you don't pay for a membership, you'll have no communication with the girls. For SA, no membership means you're just viewing profiles and teasing yourself. CE.

[QUOTE=CreativeEros;3919058]I'm certain the majority of SA ladies are legit but even if only 1% of ads are something other than what they claim to be, then I suppose caution and treading smartly with 100% of all interactions is the way to go. I appreciate the back and forth guys. Helped with this whole thought process. Have fun and play safe. CE.[/QUOTE]Based on my admittedly limited experience way more than 1% of the gals on SA are not what they claim to be. That's not to say they're LE. I haven't encountered that. But, scammers of all varieties, yes. Druggies, yes. No relation in real life to the photos, yes. Scary criminal history, yes. Plenty of gals will do a meet and greet over coffee, or drink, or dinner. Its a way to screen them, and better to hold off discussing details of an arrangement once you are in person and have a safer feeling.

Sometime in the last week, someone here posted about a girl on SA who had done BBFS "with half the guys here", I went and favorited her, now see the posts about her here are gone and her profile on SA is either gone or she blocked me. Also now my SA account is suspended WTF? Kind of hard to explain it with the posts deleted, but did anyone else get suspended today? There's no reason I should be suspended, I hadn't even contacted her or anyone else in months.

Post isn't gone from here. Check my post history, it's still there.

Her account has been deactivated.

Sounds like your sa account being suspended is unrelated unless there's more to the story.

[QUOTE=Chicago41;3919859]Sometime in the last week, someone here posted about a girl on SA who had done BBFS "with half the guys here", I went and favorited her, now see the posts about her here are gone and her profile on SA is either gone or she blocked me. Also now my SA account is suspended WTF? Kind of hard to explain it with the posts deleted, but did anyone else get suspended today? There's no reason I should be suspended, I hadn't even contacted her or anyone else in months.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PauFord;3919942]Post isn't gone from here. Check my post history, it's still there.

Her account has been deactivated.

Sounds like your sa account being suspended is unrelated unless there's more to the story.[/QUOTE]Nothing more from my point of view. I had an account there until July, deleted it, decided to make a new one a couple days ago. I log in last night and suddenly it shows a screen saying I'm suspended and I get an e-mail saying the same. Send a message to customer support, no response. Tried to log in this morning and it says my account has been deleted. And just yesterday, I paid for the membership upgrade, too. Real nice.