Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5479935]Woodford Reserve,

I'm a Republican like my entire life. The old republicans. Before they jumped on the crazy train. It's not name calling, it's calling it as it is. Conspiracies, lies, nonsense, Bigfoot, ufo's, lunacy-are-us bullshit that yea, 69 million fell into. Just because it's a big number doesn't mean it's not completely out of touch with reality. We need our old Republican Party back. Conservative, facts, intelligence. Because neither of the three exists In Today's party.[/QUOTE]I agree that most of the vocal members of the party need some time in a padded room. Same for most of the vocal leaders on the left. It is name calling. My point was this: lumping all who voted in 1 direction into the bucket of uneducated racists is utter bullshit. I personally thing Trump was an ass. He just happened to agree with me on more things than did Hillary. Same with Joe. If I had to pick a guy to have a beer with between Trump or Joe, I'd pick Joe. It just so happens I like Trump's opinion on the 2nd amendment, Taxes, National Defense, & lots of other issues. I had to vote for an ass that was in my mind the lesser of two evils based on policies. Unlike some on both sides of the aisle, I'm educated & intelligent enough to separate the issues from the person in the office.

Hell, I'd rather leave the wing nuts behind & introduce the decent folks on the right to the Libertarian (NOT Liberal) way of thinking. Hopefully we could take a bunch of the more centrist Dems with us as well. Small government, local control of education, low taxes, etc.

Dead republicans, dead democrats, dead pussy, the bengals kicking off preseason next week. LOL.

Exactly. And they wonder why they're not taken seriously.

[QUOTE=VinnieKramer;5479531]Castigating someone for name-calling while simultaneously threatening violence and bodily harm.

Y'all are a hoot![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=WoodFordR69;5479985]I agree that most of the vocal members of the party need some time in a padded room. Same for most of the vocal leaders on the left. It is name calling. My point was this: lumping all who voted in 1 direction into the bucket of uneducated racists is utter bullshit. I personally thing Trump was an ass. He just happened to agree with me on more things than did Hillary. Same with Joe. If I had to pick a guy to have a beer with between Trump or Joe, I'd pick Joe. It just so happens I like Trump's opinion on the 2nd amendment, Taxes, National Defense, & lots of other issues. I had to vote for an ass that was in my mind the lesser of two evils based on policies. Unlike some on both sides of the aisle, I'm educated & intelligent enough to separate the issues from the person in the office.

Hell, I'd rather leave the wing nuts behind & introduce the decent folks on the right to the Libertarian (NOT Liberal) way of thinking. Hopefully we could take a bunch of the more centrist Dems with us as well. Small government, local control of education, low taxes, etc.[/QUOTE]My sentiments exactly. Trump wasn't my first (or even tenth) choice but was compelled to vote for him for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

We need a Democrat who is not only pro-2nd Amendment but also won't pander to the religious far right or steal our hard-earned money in order to pay able-bodied people not to work. Oh wait, we already had one. JFK.

And look what happened to him!

[QUOTE=LondonW2;5480210]My sentiments exactly. Trump wasn't my first (or even tenth) choice but was compelled to vote for him for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

We need a Democrat who is not only pro-2nd Amendment but also won't pander to the religious far right or steal our hard-earned money in order to pay able-bodied people not to work. Oh wait, we already had one. JFK.[/QUOTE]

Friends of mine use the same ridiculousness with me as some on here have used "don't like trump but liked his policies". Complete foolishness and ignorance.

Policies? Trump had none, he had catch phrases that were molded to whomever he pandered to. You fools WANTED to hear the whole 2nd amendment, freedoms, liberties, security scams, and he gave them to you. As for actual real policies, they were only executive order whims that he changed frequently and with regularity. He was all over the map, scatterbrained and incoherent. Favored something one day and three months later retracted or refused to back it up with real policy. The guy was a con man just like he always had been.

And one more thing that has become speeding over the cliff of insanity regarding the 2nd Amendment: NO ONE is taking away anyone's 2nd Amendment rights. Read that again: NO ONE. Not Bernie, not AOC, not pelosi, not any official. NONE.

The scam all of you have fallen for is pure Idiocy. Like lemurs over a cliff.

When one person mentions "sensible gun control", the idiots start spouting "they're going to take away our guns!

There is stupid, and then there is "gun" stupidity.

I laugh for years that you idiots think that any "organization" of any jurisdiction has any ability to remove 400 million guns.

Laughing at that ignorance forever.

How are you guys that stupid?

It doesn't matter what political party in this country, no one is taking away 2nd amendment. End of story.

Stop being a stupid pawn.

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5481105]Friends of mine use the same ridiculousness with me as some on here have used "don't like trump but liked his policies". Complete foolishness and ignorance.

Policies? Trump had none, he had catch phrases that were molded to whomever he pandered to. You fools WANTED to hear the whole 2nd amendment, freedoms, liberties, security scams, and he gave them to you. As for actual real policies, they were only executive order whims that he changed frequently and with regularity. He was all over the map, scatterbrained and incoherent. Favored something one day and three months later retracted or refused to back it up with real policy. The guy was a con man just like he always had been.

And one more thing that has become speeding over the cliff of insanity regarding the 2nd Amendment: NO ONE is taking away anyone's 2nd Amendment rights. Read that again: NO ONE. Not Bernie, not AOC, not pelosi, not any official. NONE.

The scam all of you have fallen for is pure Idiocy. Like lemurs over a cliff.

When one person mentions "sensible gun control", the idiots start spouting "they're going to take away our guns!

There is stupid, and then there is "gun" stupidity.

I laugh for years that you idiots think that any "organization" of any jurisdiction has any ability to remove 400 million guns.

Laughing at that ignorance forever.

How are you guys that stupid?

It doesn't matter what political party in this country, no one is taking away 2nd amendment. End of story.

Stop being a stupid pawn.[/QUOTE]I try to stay out of all this political bullshit because I hear it all day long on the radio, TV, etc. , and BOTH sides always go batshit crazy with their beliefs of one side or the other. Having said that, Bengalman, I've got to disagree with you when you say Trump had no policies. His overriding policy was "America First" and it guided most of his actions. No, it wasn't "law" but it was his way of responding to NATO, for example, to get other countries to pay up their debts instead of relying on the good ol' USA to pay all the bills. And it was his way of reducing / eliminating restrictions on business in order to create a better economy and jobs. You libs might say it was all bullshit, but the facts very clearly show that his economy was fantastic, jobs were being created, minorities were gaining in job opportunity and pay, etc, etc. What's Biden's policy, other than to undo everything Trump accomplished? Talk about a bullshit policy!

And to say that the 2nd amendment will NEVER be abolished? Wow, that's quite a statement. Did you ever think the government would shut down the entire economy and tell 350 million people to stay home? You're probably right that it won't be abolished, at least not in our lifetime, but to say "never"? Hmm--that's a pretty bold statement after what the government has shown us their power during the past couple years. Did you ever think the government would tell landlords to just "suck it up" and force them to let their tenants live for free? Did you ever think we'd have a $28 trillion deficit? The government has proven time and time again that it can fuck up anything anytime it wants to, including the 2nd amendment.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;5481242]I try to stay out of all this political bullshit because I hear it all day long on the radio, TV, etc. , and BOTH sides always go batshit crazy with their beliefs of one side or the other. Having said that, Bengalman, I've got to disagree with you when you say Trump had no policies. His overriding policy was "America First" and it guided most of his actions. No, it wasn't "law" but it was his way of responding to NATO, for example, to get other countries to pay up their debts instead of relying on the good ol' USA to pay all the bills. And it was his way of reducing / eliminating restrictions on business in order to create a better economy and jobs. You libs might say it was all bullshit, but the facts very clearly show that his economy was fantastic, jobs were being created, minorities were gaining in job opportunity and pay, etc, etc. What's Biden's policy, other than to undo everything Trump accomplished? Talk about a bullshit policy!

And to say that the 2nd amendment will NEVER be abolished? Wow, that's quite a statement. Did you ever think the government would shut down the entire economy and tell 350 million people to stay home? You're probably right that it won't be abolished, at least not in our lifetime, but to say "never"? Hmm--that's a pretty bold statement after what the government has shown us their power during the past couple years. Did you ever think the government would tell landlords to just "suck it up" and force them to let their tenants live for free? Did you ever think we'd have a $28 trillion deficit? The government has proven time and time again that it can fuck up anything anytime it wants to, including the 2nd amendment.[/QUOTE]Keana.

You couldn't said it better. I also don't agree with anything Bengalman says.

Don't forget the corrupt world health Organization that the United States funded an Trump opted out. Stop the illegals from crossing the border. And gas was $1.30 cheaper not bad for somebody that didn't have any policies.

The funniest thing about Trump is what kept him consistent to the right was all the hate he constantly got from the left and media. If his opponents could have just played the big picture game and kissed and buttered his biscuits more, he would have been doing endless 180's fucking whoever wasn't sucking his dick at the time. LOL.

I mean, it wasn't bullshit, but the idea that any President from any party is has more than a passing responsibility for the economy as it happens while they're in office is fucking hilarious to me. The executive affects so little economically it almost isn't worth mentioning, unless you count starting, and by most measures losing, the dumbest trade war in recent history, arguably ever. And no, 2 A isn't going anywhere. We don't have the ability to take that many guns away from that many people, especially if they aren't willing. It's just shit they say so that you guys ignore / excuse the rest of the things they do, assuming you're not in the group that cheers all the racist dogwhistling Trump did. So no, his policies were anything but policies. Just a bunch of nationalist talking point trash meant to scare white people into circling the wagons and getting angry at brown people instead of getting angry about the leadership of their country, and scare PoC into shutting up and taking what they can get with the status quo, which benefits, you guessed it, political donors and influencers. And so, the cycle continues, regardless of party.

What's Biden's policy, you ask? Not a great deal better up to this point, I grant you that, but the fact that Biden might be equally useless doesn't change the fact that Trump was / is also worthless to the common man.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;5481242]I try to stay out of all this political bullshit because I hear it all day long on the radio, TV, etc. , and BOTH sides always go batshit crazy with their beliefs of one side or the other. Having said that, Bengalman, I've got to disagree with you when you say Trump had no policies. His overriding policy was "America First" and it guided most of his actions. No, it wasn't "law" but it was his way of responding to NATO, for example, to get other countries to pay up their debts instead of relying on the good ol' USA to pay all the bills. And it was his way of reducing / eliminating restrictions on business in order to create a better economy and jobs. You libs might say it was all bullshit, but the facts very clearly show that his economy was fantastic, jobs were being created, minorities were gaining in job opportunity and pay, etc, etc. What's Biden's policy, other than to undo everything Trump accomplished? Talk about a bullshit policy!

And to say that the 2nd amendment will NEVER be abolished? Wow, that's quite a statement. Did you ever think the government would shut down the entire economy and tell 350 million people to stay home? You're probably right that it won't be abolished, at least not in our lifetime, but to say "never"? Hmm--that's a pretty bold statement after what the government has shown us their power during the past couple years. Did you ever think the government would tell landlords to just "suck it up" and force them to let their tenants live for free? Did you ever think we'd have a $28 trillion deficit? The government has proven time and time again that it can fuck up anything anytime it wants to, including the 2nd amendment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kenal1;5481242]I try to stay out of all this political bullshit because I hear it all day long on the radio, TV, etc. , and BOTH sides always go batshit crazy with their beliefs of one side or the other. Having said that, Bengalman, I've got to disagree with you when you say Trump had no policies. His overriding policy was "America First" and it guided most of his actions. No, it wasn't "law" but it was his way of responding to NATO, for example, to get other countries to pay up their debts instead of relying on the good ol' USA to pay all the bills. And it was his way of reducing / eliminating restrictions on business in order to create a better economy and jobs. You libs might say it was all bullshit, but the facts very clearly show that his economy was fantastic, jobs were being created, minorities were gaining in job opportunity and pay, etc, etc. What's Biden's policy, other than to undo everything Trump accomplished? Talk about a bullshit policy!

And to say that the 2nd amendment will NEVER be abolished? Wow, that's quite a statement. Did you ever think the government would shut down the entire economy and tell 350 million people to stay home? You're probably right that it won't be abolished, at least not in our lifetime, but to say "never"? Hmm--that's a pretty bold statement after what the government has shown us their power during the past couple years. Did you ever think the government would tell landlords to just "suck it up" and force them to let their tenants live for free? Did you ever think we'd have a $28 trillion deficit? The government has proven time and time again that it can fuck up anything anytime it wants to, including the 2nd amendment.[/QUOTE]First, economy. The economy under trump was mediocre. Middling. The GDP, which is the true economic measure, was decent. Lower than during Obama, but decent. Big deal. Anything else said is pure fantasy.

Second, NATO. You all have a total and complete misunderstanding of NATO, and you have swallowed the Fox News spin like a oily cock. There are no "bills" in NATO. None. Trump was not in any way shape or form getting them to pay more bills. Lmao! All that happened in the NATO agreement was an unwritten, unenforceable "rule" that each member should spend 2% of their GDP on Defense. That's it. Nothing more than that "guide". The Fox News spin machine proposed it as something more than that. Yes, some members were spending below that target on GDP, and some Significantly Lower than that target. The Obama Admin was pressuring nations to up their Defense budget, and the low-budgeters WERE raising their amounts -SLOWLY- over those last 6 Obama years. Fox News spin won't tell you that. They ALSO won't tell you that a couple years, the United States was not spending 2% GDP on Defense! Surprise!

Third, Libs. I am not a Lib. Been a Republican most of my life.

Fourth, business. Trump was business-friendly because of business tax cuts. That's it. Regulations? Laughable, since regulations he pulled on one area of business ended up hurting others. Tariffs? Another impetuous, uncoordinated, whimsical joke. No rhyme or reason. No strategy. And again, some tariffs in one area hurt other areas of business. Just non-stop bluster and petulance. His tariffs contributed greatly to the supply chain shortage and mess we have now. Businesses like stability. 4 years of Trump was anti-stability.

Fifth, 2nd Amendment. Again, 400 million guns. A government that has problems trying to "figure out" face masks, and you think they are capable of scouring the entire country and confiscate 400 million guns?

Hahahaha! M laughing so damn hard I can't get off the floor!! LOL!

The election is over, we all got to vote, and Trump lost. He needs to accept that, and move on. Have you watched his rallies? I haven't heard that much whining since "Toddler Night" at Chuck E Cheese!

[QUOTE=BengalMan;5481634]First, economy. The economy under trump was mediocre. Middling. The GDP, which is the true economic measure, was decent. Lower than during Obama, but decent. Big deal. Anything else said is pure fantasy.

Second, NATO. You all have a total and complete misunderstanding of NATO, and you have swallowed the Fox News spin like a oily cock. There are no "bills" in NATO. None. Trump was not in any way shape or form getting them to pay more bills. Lmao! All that happened in the NATO agreement was an unwritten, unenforceable "rule" that each member should spend 2% of their GDP on Defense. That's it. Nothing more than that "guide". The Fox News spin machine proposed it as something more than that. Yes, some members were spending below that target on GDP, and some Significantly Lower than that target. The Obama Admin was pressuring nations to up their Defense budget, and the low-budgeters WERE raising their amounts -SLOWLY- over those last 6 Obama years. Fox News spin won't tell you that. They ALSO won't tell you that a couple years, the United States was not spending 2% GDP on Defense! Surprise!

Third, Libs. I am not a Lib. Been a Republican most of my life.

Fourth, business. Trump was business-friendly because of business tax cuts. That's it. Regulations? Laughable, since regulations he pulled on one area of business ended up hurting others. Tariffs? Another impetuous, uncoordinated, whimsical joke. No rhyme or reason. No strategy. And again, some tariffs in one area hurt other areas of business. Just non-stop bluster and petulance. His tariffs contributed greatly to the supply chain shortage and mess we have now. Businesses like stability. 4 years of Trump was anti-stability.

Fifth, 2nd Amendment. Again, 400 million guns. A government that has problems trying to "figure out" face masks, and you think they are capable of scouring the entire country and confiscate 400 million guns?

Hahahaha! M laughing so damn hard I can't get off the floor!! LOL![/QUOTE]Go back and read my post again. I never said the government was going to confiscate 400 million guns. I said it wouldn't surprise me if, at some point, the 2nd amendment was abolished. There's just too many left-leaning liberals in this country that, in my opinion, you can't count anything out, no matter how crazy it may seem.

[QUOTE=Kenal1;5482196]Go back and read my post again. I never said the government was going to confiscate 400 million guns. I said it wouldn't surprise me if, at some point, the 2nd amendment was abolished. There's just too many left-leaning liberals in this country that, in my opinion, you can't count anything out, no matter how crazy it may seem.[/QUOTE]But the immature foolish threat is always stated "the left is going to take our guns".

Just idiotic.