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Guy in DC area busted for banging a 14-year old he met on SA. All kinds of things wrong with this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/53-year-old-used-sugar-daddy-website-to-meet-teen-for-sex-prosecutors-say/2017/03/29/ca6bc3da-148d-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.415dc10bf067
[QUOTE=FredMoore;3330454]Everyone lies in the Sugar bowl-why shouldn't she? You do-right?[/QUOTE]I came across a profile today of a 20 year old SB. She had left enough breadcrumbs in her profile to make it easy to find her on Facebook. It turns out she is not 20, but really 17 and still in high school.
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[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3331481]Guy in DC area busted for banging a 14-year old he met on SA. All kinds of things wrong with this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/53-year-old-used-sugar-daddy-website-to-meet-teen-for-sex-prosecutors-say/2017/03/29/ca6bc3da-148d-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.415dc10bf067[/QUOTE]Two or three years ago in this thread (the messages should still be around, somewhere), I predicted a future where SA and similar SD sites would be in danger of being forced underground (which of course would be bad for the lifestyle), and that all it would take is a few media incidents that create false perceptions of a link to SA and "trafficking". A couple of highly opinionated members basically stated I was full of it and that I was discussing possibilities that would simply never happen.
Believe me, it can and will, and it's already headed in that direction. All it will take is a small request to major credit cards to not do business with these sites, and the lifestyle, as it exists right now in the USA at least, will change overnight.
I still believe the only thing we can do to stave it off is to try to create as much separation between the SD / SB lifestyle and escorting and pros as we can, trying to drive the escorts posing as SBs away, and letting the mongers get their fix from Backpage and other sources that cater more directly to what they want. How? Basically, don't break the law:
- Never directly make offers to exchange money for sex. Explain to the POT the reasons you cannot operate outside the law, and that it's for her protection as well. You might lose a few, but if enough SDs "get it", the girls will eventually start to catch on with regard to how to create arrangements safely and legally.
- Avoid girls who exhibit escort or UTR behavior. They have other outlets for their cash grab, they are only polluting the SB scene. Refusal to communicate with these girls will help discourage them from using SA and keep them in places where you can find them easier, if that's what you want. Getting involved with them by finding them on SD websites can only hurt the SD lifestyle.
- If there is even a remote shadow of a doubt about a girls age, either avoid her entirely or become the world's most meticulous I'd checking expert. Do not even discuss adult matters with her until you know for sure. Again, you might lose a few by erring on the side of caution, but it's a much better alternative than becoming a registered sex offender and ruining your life.
So what would happen if, just like what happened to Backpage, SA and similar were associated with trafficking?
Right away, the quantity and quality of girls that sign up for them would change dramatically. Not many smart college girls want to be associated with a website that has a reputation like this. Currently they are attracted to the glamour image associated with being a true SB, and if an unpleasant stigma is associated with being an SB, or the majority perception that it's simply another form of prostitution, many of them will avoid the scene and find their SDs some other way. Let's face it, many of these girls can walk in almost any public place and meet an SD if they really wanted to, the websites are simply a convenience to the lifestyle.
Then, as payment options became much more difficult and regular and pre-paid credit cards no longer work, the population of SDs would dwindle in numbers as their opportunities for anonymity start to disappear, and the hassle of handling payments through bitcoin and such became too much trouble. A high ratio of SBs to SDs might sound good, until the supply of SDs falls below a certain threshold. Once that happens, SBs would start to feel hopeless and give up trying, and the supply of SBs would start to reflect the diminished population of SDs.
[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3331640]I came across a profile today of a 20 year old SB. She had left enough breadcrumbs in her profile to make it easy to find her on Facebook. It turns out she is not 20, but really 17 and still in high school.
SDX[/QUOTE]I'd say congrats on your observations, and we all should stay cautious of this, keeping in mind age of consent in each of our operating zones.
In case you ever signed up for SA using real info or a fake email addy that can be linked back to you, and would like a fresh start, you might be happy to know SA now has a permanent account delete option. Before you could only "deactive", and it held onto your info and reactivated if you ever logged in again.
You might remember AM had this feature and it turned out to be bogus -- they didn't really delete the user records, only hid them and gave the false sense of security (which of course ruined some lives when the infamous AM hack took place). But, my impression is that Brandon Wade isn't stupid, and he learned from the fallout of the AM hack that delete means delete and he's got one chance not to fuck that one up. It's not a guarantee that it's a real delete, but its better than simple deactivation.
Apologies if someone else has already posted this info, I haven't been keeping up with this thread much lately, only very occasional and brief scanning of posts.
[QUOTE=JZLizard;3331833]In case you ever signed up for SA using real info or a fake email addy that can be linked back to you, and would like a fresh start, you might be happy to know SA now has a permanent account delete option. Before you could only "deactive", and it held onto your info and reactivated if you ever logged in again.
You might remember AM had this feature and it turned out to be bogus -- they didn't really delete the user records, only hid them and gave the false sense of security (which of course ruined some lives when the infamous AM hack took place). But, my impression is that Brandon Wade isn't stupid, and he learned from the fallout of the AM hack that delete means delete and he's got one chance not to fuck that one up. It's not a guarantee that it's a real delete, but its better than simple deactivation.
Apologies if someone else has already posted this info, I haven't been keeping up with this thread much lately, only very occasional and brief scanning of posts.[/QUOTE]I hope it is a complete delete. I took advantage of it because early on I was stupid and used my original credit card. Interestingly enough after you completely delete you can sign up again using the same email as before. Starts from scratch and I didn't see anything that suggests it pulls back up old info and messages. So t also creates an opportunity to start from scratch for those that might want to Groundhog Day without creating a new email.
IrishIndian, listed in Mechanicsville. Seems friendly enough up until m&g. Wanted 120 to pay for babysitter and GPS for arrangement. FB search shows she is married and a cr check will scare you away. Watch your back if you try her anyway.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/5a4de3ae-0699-4b06-a1a3-91dc38b18d19
Whats CR Check? Credit Report?
[QUOTE=JustLonely;3333393]IrishIndian, listed in Mechanicsville. Seems friendly enough up until m&g. Wanted 120 to pay for babysitter and GPS for arrangement. FB search shows she is married and a cr check will scare you away. Watch your back if you try her anyway.
https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/5a4de3ae-0699-4b06-a1a3-91dc38b18d19[/QUOTE]
I guess I need some serious advice here. I'm not totally new to sugaring or SA but again I'm not an experienced SD by any means. Leveraging my premium SA subscription I exchanged contact numbers with multiple POTs with an intent to take them to FC at the earliest possible time. I should also mention that between my full time work and family stuff I get very little of my-own time to pursue hobby activity. Ofcourse, I understand that the SBs are fairly apprehensive of what they are getting into and sometimes do flake out in the last minute after committing to meet up. In the last couple weeks I have gone thru six POTs that did not close. Two I lost interest as their expectations were at 4 $ and wouldn't come close to $$. One another just went unresponsive after some active chatting. The remaining three have gone from Hot to Cold to Hot and Cold again. So when they are Hot I am unable to move things quickly as I'm either at work or doing stuff w family. And, when I try to engage them during my hobby time I barely get an enthusiastic response or some lame excuse that they are tied up w school work. LOL. Ofcourse, I understand the best situation is to be ready to act when SBs are hot. But when that is not practically possible what methods do some of you have successfully utilized? What things have you done (while being remote) for the SB to gain trust in you and possibly be a little flexible to accommodate schedule conflicts? I know that it is not going to be a slam dunk in every potential lead but I would like to know if there are steps that I could take to improve the success rates.
[QUOTE=Lebruno;3333568]Whats CR Check? Credit Report?[/QUOTE]Court Records. Thanks to the Va court system you can find out everything from speeding tickets to felonies for free on anyone.
[QUOTE=Lebruno;3333595]I guess I need some serious advice here. I'm not totally new to sugaring or SA but again I'm not an experienced SD by any means. Leveraging my premium SA subscription I exchanged contact numbers with multiple POTs with an intent to take them to FC at the earliest possible time. I should also mention that between my full time work and family stuff I get very little of my-own time to pursue hobby activity. Ofcourse, I understand that the SBs are fairly apprehensive of what they are getting into and sometimes do flake out in the last minute after committing to meet up. In the last couple weeks I have gone thru six POTs that did not close. Two I lost interest as their expectations were at 4 $ and wouldn't come close to $$. One another just went unresponsive after some active chatting. The remaining three have gone from Hot to Cold to Hot and Cold again. So when they are Hot I am unable to move things quickly as I'm either at work or doing stuff w family. And, when I try to engage them during my hobby time I barely get an enthusiastic response or some lame excuse that they are tied up w school work. LOL. Ofcourse, I understand the best situation is to be ready to act when SBs are hot. But when that is not practically possible what methods do some of you have successfully utilized? What things have you done (while being remote) for the SB to gain trust in you and possibly be a little flexible to accommodate schedule conflicts? I know that it is not going to be a slam dunk in every potential lead but I would like to know if there are steps that I could take to improve the success rates.[/QUOTE]Most don't make a living at this and if your dealing with college students then you have to pretty well work around their schedule. Even setting a meeting days in advance can go south. Now if you want to make them an offer they can't refuse I'm sure they would cut a class or call in sick to the part time job. Sooner or later you will find one where everything lines up if you keep at it.
[QUOTE=Lebruno;3333595]I guess I need some serious advice here. I'm not totally new to sugaring or SA but again I'm not an experienced SD by any means. Leveraging my premium SA subscription I exchanged contact numbers with multiple POTs with an intent to take them to FC at the earliest possible time. I should also mention that between my full time work and family stuff I get very little of my-own time to pursue hobby activity. Ofcourse, I understand that the SBs are fairly apprehensive of what they are getting into and sometimes do flake out in the last minute after committing to meet up. In the last couple weeks I have gone thru six POTs that did not close. Two I lost interest as their expectations were at 4 $ and wouldn't come close to $$. One another just went unresponsive after some active chatting. The remaining three have gone from Hot to Cold to Hot and Cold again. So when they are Hot I am unable to move things quickly as I'm either at work or doing stuff w family. And, when I try to engage them during my hobby time I barely get an enthusiastic response or some lame excuse that they are tied up w school work. LOL. Ofcourse, I understand the best situation is to be ready to act when SBs are hot. But when that is not practically possible what methods do some of you have successfully utilized? What things have you done (while being remote) for the SB to gain trust in you and possibly be a little flexible to accommodate schedule conflicts? I know that it is not going to be a slam dunk in every potential lead but I would like to know if there are steps that I could take to improve the success rates.[/QUOTE]Given you don't have a lot time, and you're at the low end of sugaring with $$. You might want to focus on the UTRs. They're more likely to accept $$, and will have a much more flexible schedule.
JLZ spoke about this a few days ago when discussing the recent terrible incident in VA. We don't want SA to go the route of BP. I adjusted my approach long ago to what I call a 'long game'. I don't expect to hit the FC on the first meeting. When I first joined SA, I was trying to close on the first meeting all of the time. I had a great success rate, but I started to notice most of the women I was meeting were border line or actual UTRs. I gave it some thought, and adjusted my approach to a bit like JLZ's.
I think you can roughly break the women up on SA into two categories. The first is the group of women that just want the cash. This includes the UTRs, the NANDOs, and the GPSs. The second is the group of women who may also need cash, but they're not going to sleep with just any guy for it. They don't want to be treated like a UTR where they meet you at a hotel continuously and bang for cash. They need to be romanced a bit in the beginning and during the relationship to make them feel 'special'. It's a relationship built on more than just the exchange of cash for sex.
I've found that by focusing on the second group, that there are some that just want to go out and have a romantic date or trip. They don't care that much about the cash. They want to experience a lifestyle they couldn't otherwise.
SA needs to find a way to ensure that only the second group of women are on SA. If they don't, they'll go the way of BP.
I'd also add, as I believe JLZ has noted, that we need to make sure only the second group of women are on SA. But, I suspect that's asking to much.
[QUOTE=BikeRider;3334272]Given you don't have a lot time, and you're at the low end of sugaring with $$. You might want to focus on the UTRs. They're more likely to accept $$, and will have a much more flexible schedule.
JLZ spoke about this a few days ago when discussing the recent terrible incident in VA. We don't want SA to go the route of BP. I adjusted my approach long ago to what I call a 'long game'. I don't expect to hit the FC on the first meeting. When I first joined SA, I was trying to close on the first meeting all of the time. I had a great success rate, but I started to notice most of the women I was meeting were border line or actual UTRs. I gave it some thought, and adjusted my approach to a bit like JLZ's.
I think you can roughly break the women up on SA into two categories. The first is the group of women that just want the cash. This includes the UTRs, the NANDOs, and the GPSs. The second is the group of women who may also need cash, but they're not going to sleep with just any guy for it. They don't want to be treated like a UTR where they meet you at a hotel continuously and bang for cash. They need to be romanced a bit in the beginning and during the relationship to make them feel 'special'. It's a relationship built on more than just the exchange of cash for sex..[/QUOTE]Totally impossible to keep those girls out the same as for the guys posing as sd's. Impossible to do.
[QUOTE=FScott;3318622]Good for you FarFar!
As for sugar amounts, I've never had a Road Baby ask about a specific amount beforehand except the ones that turned out to be pros. Remember, you are offering a powerful fantasy to them as well as to yourself. A successful and relatively attractive stranger is coming into their town and wants to spend time with them at a nice restaurant or bar, focused exclusively on them. They can fuck you, their friends will never know, and chances are good they'll never see you again. A RB in North Carolina told me that is an extremely erotic fantasy for a lot of 20 somethings who are comfortable with their sexuality but don't what to get a reputation as a **** in their hometowns by fucking too many of their peers.
Tally ho, good luck, and don't forget to write!
Scott.[/QUOTE]The bay been very good to me. My 10 POTs in San Fran turned into 3 M&Gs at my three free times, 2 evenings and an afternoon, all 3 ended up in my room, one trip to the FC. One 20's POT was very mysterious on her profile (an investor. Right) and curt messaging on SA, but I did get her # and a 'text me when you land'. I thought her a low probability and suspected UTR. After checking in, she and I had a comedic exchange trying to figure out if the other was a flake or escort. Met on the street for mutual safety, grabbed coffee and sat in the lobby to check each other out. Tiny, tiny blond girl, less than 5 feet, in yoga pants. Blond, GND pretty, could be a model for barely legal, but credibly claimed a college degree, and in fact is a day trader. 'Do you want to go hang out?" was accepted and up we went.
Chatted broadly on the bed, including 'are you submissive? Which brought a dick-eating grin that persisted for the next two hours. This is becoming such a paradigm of SBs I will never fail to inquire, no matter how conventional a POT looks or portrays herself on profile. I instructed her how to remove my clothes, and as I moved on her she started negotiating. So much for hopes from Scott's experience that I could get a freebie. She wanted 5, I countered 4 and she didn't protest when her top came off so I thought we had a deal. After, she asked for 5 again and I split the difference. I was actually glad I had extended somewhat to her later, when I saw to my horror that the stupid hotel had placed an iPad in the room in place of the classic old guidebook, and on the menu bar it said 'Greetings My Name'. I had purged the room of anything else personally identifying, but had missed that. Beware new technology. Messaging w / her afterward betrayed only her happiness ('made her weekend') and no indication she found me out. She's up to meet the next time I'm in town.
She has the body of a *much* younger girl -poochie little tits she cautioned were very sensitive, which I observed. When I pulled the yoga pants off, a surprise. A Bush, and so cute. Very soft, short blond hair, triangle-trimmed, framing lovely labia. Again, leaving the image of a much younger girl. Her first move was licking the boys, so I was sold. We progressed from there to DATY, and her tiny, tiny ass invited rimming. Of course she's also tight, and caution was in order initially, but by the time the session was done she was all stretched out. There was much daddy / submissive talk, and that smile was maintained throughout. She's really a naughty girl. Not lotta indication of Os from her, she basically asked if I would come so she could. Could be.
Lesson: never rule one out. You always could get lucky, truly.
Former Issa_Miss is back now as Hotsass.
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