Dude, my head is STILL spinning! LOL Suddenly, posting in decimals doesn't seem so silly after all. .
Dutch.
[QUOTE=FeMaiden;3070132]Old mp in LF is 109? Sorry you lost me PM me the old one with the full tune up.[/QUOTE]
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Dude, my head is STILL spinning! LOL Suddenly, posting in decimals doesn't seem so silly after all. .
Dutch.
[QUOTE=FeMaiden;3070132]Old mp in LF is 109? Sorry you lost me PM me the old one with the full tune up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DutchTreat;3070266]Dude, my head is STILL spinning! LOL Suddenly, posting in decimals doesn't seem so silly after all. .
Dutch.[/QUOTE]30 an hour is not in lake forest. Westminster.
Old lake forest body center on el toro. For old guys that remember, the new lakeshore-lakeview with joanne who is not back yet, is located at 109 in that building now.
Thank you for the translation!
Dutch.
[QUOTE=WallyWally;3070448]30 an hour is not in lake forest. Westminster.
Old lake forest body center on el toro. For old guys that remember, the new lakeshore-lakeview with joanne who is not back yet, is located at 109 in that building now.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://reason.com/archives/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking[/URL]
[QUOTE=PhineasPhreak;3071276][URL]http://reason.com/archives/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking[/URL][/QUOTE]What a read, took me an hour. But yes what a shame in the end.
TTM.
[QUOTE=PhineasPhreak;3071276][URL]http://reason.com/archives/2016/09/09/the-truth-about-us-sex-trafficking[/URL][/QUOTE]That explains when I heard about it, I though LE finally did some real anti-trafficking work. Then I heard nothing because I think nobody cared because nobody is trafficking anybody.
In summary, it's the same old story. If you run a website, don't get involved in the buy and sell. But if you do, you can easily get off by paying them off, like the RED BOOK guys. No jail time. Fined millions but they get much more than that over the years. Encouraging for the other local sites?
For the clients, the new bit is that writing reviews can be taken as the promotion of prostitution. Let's see how the trial goes. But clients are dumb to meet. There are still socials in HX because it's the madams who organized it. She is sure those who turn up slept with her girls, and that LE are not allowed to do so. At least citizens will bark if they pay for that. To be prosecuted you have to be identified. Of course if you go to meets you expose your license plate. Others us personal emails. Using VPN is almost 100% safe but even with your IP it's not easy to proof who wrote the reviews unless the stupid webmaster store logs. ISP logs just prove that you visited those websites.
And then you should not shit where you eat. Post reviews and buy in different websites with different handles. With the demise of Red Book, who would have thought webmasters didn't scale down their direct involvements?
Wait a minute. I have members confessed unknowingly that the said madam took in club members who haven't seen any of her girls. Somebody tell her that and be careful.
[QUOTE=JamesD2004;3071366]That explains when I heard about it, I though LE finally did some real anti-trafficking work. Then I heard nothing because I think nobody cared because nobody is trafficking anybody.
In summary, it's the same old story. If you run a website, don't get involved in the buy and sell. But if you do, you can easily get off by paying them off, like the RED BOOK guys. No jail time. Fined millions but they get much more than that over the years. Encouraging for the other local sites?
For the clients, the new bit is that writing reviews can be taken as the promotion of prostitution. Let's see how the trial goes. But clients are dumb to meet. There are still socials in HX because it's the madams who organized it. She is sure those who turn up slept with her girls, and that LE are not allowed to do so. At least citizens will bark if they pay for that. To be prosecuted you have to be identified. Of course if you go to meets you expose your license plate. Others us personal emails. Using VPN is almost 100% safe but even with your IP it's not easy to proof who wrote the reviews unless the stupid webmaster store logs. ISP logs just prove that you visited those websites.
And then you should not shit where you eat. Post reviews and buy in different websites with different handles. With the demise of Red Book, who would have thought webmasters didn't scale down their direct involvements?[/QUOTE]Just curious regarding how the Redbook federal case was adjudicated. Did Omura plea bargain? The oinkers stole millions of dollars from him and charged him with several felonies. I didn't hear what happened in court though.
[QUOTE=PhineasPhreak;3071480]Just curious regarding how the Redbook federal case was adjudicated. Did Omura plea bargain? The oinkers stole millions of dollars from him and charged him with several felonies. I didn't hear what happened in court though.[/QUOTE]I was wrong. No jail for Lanoce only. And I bet Omuro could spend a few month only. And since he may very well be loaded, he can afford all the protection money.
"Omuro was sentenced to 13 months in federal prison for his role in running the website. Lanoce pleaded guilty last year and received a deferred sentence that allowed her to avoid a felony charge with good behavior. ".
All this nonsense has a chilling effect throughout the industry. I really hope the nice people at [URL]usaXXXguide.info[/URL] have good legal counsel and have taken precautions against this type of overzealous prosecution by the ill-informed, facetious, lying bastards who get off on trampling over the Constitution.
I travel on business often, and I can't imagine getting caught up in something like this when I am out of town. I mean, who would post bond for me? I am seriously re-examining my routine and will probably stay away for a while, just spending time with some long time regulars who are on the same page as I am.
Rather than chilling, I would say it's business as usual, nothing to worry about. Review sites are legit and LE has nothing on them. They have to have reason to get the identity of some reviewers, and then prove that some of the reviews are real. If you don't book through the same site with the same handle, there's nothing on you.
In that case, nobody I think is prosecuted for just being a john. But a guy, unfortunately, arrived at a sting. For example at HX, you just put down money on the table and don't need to say anything. That's the old school to be unstingable. But now everything is agreed in advance so there's nothing to say. The website is run independently. Then you use PM. And the PM is separated from SMS. So you have to have both records to prove anything if at all. You have to bust the site for the PM. And you have to bust the booker for the SMS. It's almost impossible as he may be in India at a call center. If they bust the girl, there's nothing against you. Her phone only have records that somebody is coming and for how long. If they bust you there's nothing on your phone. Unless you volunteer your handle and your PM's. And it's not like they are using brothels. Now mostly you will find a girl in a very respectable hotel room, or one girl in a private resident.
If you film it, now your are just making a porn movie.
[QUOTE=JamesD2004;3072110]Rather than chilling, I would say it's business as usual, nothing to worry about. Review sites are legit and LE has nothing on them. They have to have reason to get the identity of some reviewers, and then prove that some of the reviews are real. If you don't book through the same site with the same handle, there's nothing on you.
In that case, nobody I think is prosecuted for just being a john. But a guy, unfortunately, arrived at a sting. For example at HX, you just put down money on the table and don't need to say anything. That's the old school to be unstingable. But now everything is agreed in advance so there's nothing to say. The website is run independently. Then you use PM. And the PM is separated from SMS. So you have to have both records to prove anything if at all. You have to bust the site for the PM. And you have to bust the booker for the SMS. It's almost impossible as he may be in India at a call center. If they bust the girl, there's nothing against you. Her phone only have records that somebody is coming and for how long. If they bust you there's nothing on your phone. Unless you volunteer your handle and your PM's. And it's not like they are using brothels. Now mostly you will find a girl in a very respectable hotel room, or one girl in a private resident.[/QUOTE]
If you want some good reading about what exactly LE can do with a review site such as this, Google "thereviewboard Seattle". There's a lot more to it than just reviews, but info can be gathered and used.
I hope this post doesn't break any rules about advertising competitors seeing as how the site involved has been seized and shut down.
[blue]Ok, I'll respond. LE didn't do anything because of the review board, the review board got seized because one of the guys running it boasted about being a human trafficker and and he fucking was.
They have a term for your argument here, it's called a false analogy. Our actions in regards to this forum can most certainly be used against us, the operators of this forum. What you post here cannot be used against you because who the fuck is "Its Crazy?" Is that the name on your drivers license? Does your birth certificate say "Its Crazy?" How EXACTLY can your info be gathered and used? They can't get it from us because we don't collect any info about our members beyond an email address. We have no names, no addresses, no phone numbers, no IP information, we collect nothing. Where EXACTLY would they get that? From our web hosting company? That's a German company, is so Orange County DA going to serve an international warrant under the Hague Conventions to try and secure a misdemeanor conviction on one of you guys for solicitation? Because without a warrant the Germans who run our hosting service are going to politly tell them "Tank you bud mitout un varrent I'm zorry bud dad infooorrrrmazun es confidential."
The reviewboards members didn't get busted, its OPERATORS did because of their actions in conjunction to their business.
The Redbook guys went down for facilitation prostitution, again NONE of their members did. The Redbook guys were also in the USA, we are not nor are our servers.
Yes, we, like Larry Flyntt, Lenny Bruce, and others before us take a risk in the work we do and we accept that risk. The membership here, if they are smart enough to use the site as it is intended do not.
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PS, for the future, if your yearly post is going to be about telling guys bullshit stories to scare them into not using the site like you don't I'm going to take care of that. We welcome real criticism or commentary but this is horseshit and you aren't really involved in the community.[/blue]
Okay folks here is a review about my third visit to F&C. I woke up this morning at 7 am and decided to call F&C knowing that it was closed. To my surprised mamasan picked up the phone. I asked if they were open and she was mumbling "uh uh uh". I said "It's okay I can come later" then she asked "what time?" I thought I should try and say "right now" which I did. She responded "I'm at home, you pick up?" In my mind I was like did I hear that right? I then asked "I come now to pick you up?" She said "Come at 8" and I said "Okay you text me address". About 5 minutes later she texted me a picture of an envelope that has someone's name and address on it. I don't know whose name it was nor will I say what the name is. All I will say is that the name is a Vietnamese name which surprised me since I'm 99% positive mamasan is Chinese. Anyway, at 8 I went to the address and parked my car a few houses down and texted her. She came out and the first thing I noticed was her bald head. I drove up right outside the driveway and pulled my window down. She stood there and stared at me then said "You call?" I nodded and she came to my window and said "40 okay?" In my mind I thought of only 2 scenarios:
1. Mamasan lets me in and I give her. 4.
2. I drive her to F&C then I give her. 4.
I was confused because she didn't seem ready (she was in pajamas and no wig) so I didn't want to hand her the money just yet.
She asked "You give me 40 ok?" a few times and one then one of her neighbor who was doing yard work heard a slight commotion and thought there was a problem. He approached us with both of his hands raised to show that he was of no harm. He asked her "Is everything okay" then mamasan said "it's okay. " I freaked out a bit so I just handed her. 4 and then she yelled "LENA!" a few times. Lena came out of the door all nicely dressed with her bags and lunch. As she was walking toward my car I saw a white man between 45-55 coming out of their house. He stood in front of the door and watches us leave. She got in my car and I drove off. I looked at my mirror and saw the neighbor still standing on the street besides mamasan, both watching us as we drove off. This was a weird and kind of terrifying experience for me. I almost hit the gas when the neighbor approached us. Anyway I literally thought mamasan was the one who was offering the service LOL. We arrived at F&C at 8:15 and Lena opened the door. I've seen her once so this is my second time seeing her. Because we were alone, she didn't rush anything. We started with a back massage for half hour then the fun began right after when I flipped. I didn't bring a bag so she offered one to me. Unfortunately jim wouldn't get up with the bag on so she ended up throwing it out. She started with a BBBJ and moved to DT. Even though she gagged quite a bit she continued to give me a DT for a good 10 minutes. She was really messy. Her spit was all over me and she went on to lick my nipples, belly button, sack, and all around. I was literally soaked in her pool of saliva. She hopped on for bbcg and since nobody was in here she wasn't afraid to moan very loud. She was really wet and tight. She was jumping up and down on me for a good 3 or so minutes then she came. We cuddled for a bit then she went back to BBBJ again. She kept saying how she really loves to suck it. Both of my balls went in her mouth and she sucked on them pretty good too. We finished with BBBJCIM no swallow. She spit the load on my stomach and rubbed her body all over it. It was really really messy. Never knew she likes it this dirty. During the cuddle she whispered to me to tip her a benjamin. I ended up tipping her. 9 since that was all the cash I had in my wallet. Everything lasted for about an hour. She hugged me and told me to go home take a hot shower, come back in 2 weeks, I love to kiss, and I love you. I left the door around 9:15. Don't know if I'm going to come back. She must have memorized my face since I drove her. I intended to tip her. 4 which I'm assuming is the usual you guys tip her. Now she's going to want more from me from now on. That's my morning story folks. I still can't believe Lena lives with mamasan. I wonder who that white man was and how they are all related.
[QUOTE=ItsCrazy;3075020]If you want some good reading about what exactly LE can do with a review site such as this, Google "thereviewboard Seattle". There's a lot more to it than just reviews, but info can be gathered and used.
I hope this post doesn't break any rules about advertising competitors seeing as how the site involved has been seized and shut down.
[blue]Ok, I'll respond. LE didn't do anything because of the review board, the review board got seized because one of the guys running it boasted about being a human trafficker and and he fucking was.
They have a term for your argument here, it's called a false analogy. Our actions in regards to this forum can most certainly be used against us, the operators of this forum. What you post here cannot be used against you because who the fuck is "Its Crazy?" Is that the name on your drivers license? Does your birth certificate say "Its Crazy?" How EXACTLY can your info be gathered and used? They can't get it from us because we don't collect any info about our members beyond an email address. We have no names, no addresses, no phone numbers, no IP information, we collect nothing. Where EXACTLY would they get that? From our web hosting company? That's a German company, is so Orange County DA going to serve an international warrant under the Hague Conventions to try and secure a misdemeanor conviction on one of you guys for solicitation? Because without a warrant the Germans who run our hosting service are going to politly tell them "Tank you bud mitout un varrent I'm zorry bud dad infooorrrrmazun es confidential."
The reviewboards members didn't get busted, its OPERATORS did because of their actions in conjunction to their business.
The Redbook guys went down for facilitation prostitution, again NONE of their members did. The Redbook guys were also in the USA, we are not nor are our servers.
Yes, we, like Larry Flyntt, Lenny Bruce, and others before us take a risk in the work we do and we accept that risk. The membership here, if they are smart enough to use the site as it is intended do not.
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PS, for the future, if your yearly post is going to be about telling guys bullshit stories to scare them into not using the site like you don't I'm going to take care of that. We welcome real criticism or commentary but this is horseshit and you aren't really involved in the community.[/blue][/QUOTE]My intention wasn't to scare anyone into silence or to spread misinformation. After rereading my post, I can see how it could be taken that way. For that, I apologize.
In regards to members not sharing risk, I believe there have been members involved that were caught up in the reviewboard situation. However, this was due to them bragging and giving too much personal info (as you mentioned). My goal was simply to say that people should be careful, which I failed to communicate clearly.
Again, no harm was intended.
[blue]Yes, those members created a club and met in reality, they also created a separate site that they used which put them on record of the owners of that site. I appreciate the clarification on your part.
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