"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Brian139;1779989]Thanks for the story sire. Good that you wife was not of the type "once a cheater, always a cheater" LOL. Little does she know that how true is this saying.[/QUOTE]As Michael Corleone says in The Godfather. Don't kid yourself we're all part of the same hypocrisy. To use a couple of Sub Cmnders sayings they're all garden tools (and I'm including anyone's wife or girlfriend). You are always (or 99% of the time) going to pay something. Even if your in the dating world it's drinks or lunch or dinner or something (sometimes multiple dates). Especially when your over 40 yrs old like me. I think when I was in my 20's I had some girls that I literally didn't buy them even a drink and got laid. But then again if you can't get laid in your 20's your pretty pathetic. My CPO with my wife is extremely high (thousands of $$$ per). So I try to keep my CPO is these other areas much lower to make up for it. Why do I cheat? Because there are hot young babes out there and I can. I have girls at work and my wife's friends that always hitting on me. I stay away because that can never end well. This way I pay a SB and I'm upfront that it is not a long term thing. It is a no drama fun time. I treat them right. At the very minimum the "do no harm" mantra. Even though they are garden tools. I'm a horny dirty bastard. So I treat them well.

That comment got me thinking since I'm a recent transplant from So. Cal. To Richmond. If you look at the first report on this thread, it seems that a Richmonder was the first to post about his SB curiosity. I suppose the better question is why are so many from around the country posting on Richmond's site. I agree that the accumulated knowledge of the tribe makes for a much more informative and valuable thread, but certainly we can be grateful for those in Richmond who initiated this gem.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1779427]Good to see you on the thread BikeRider. Tech from international experience will no doubt be useful to us all. It's just a fluke this thread is on the Richmond board and we're lucky to have attracted over time some very experienced players from all over the country.[/QUOTE]

Update on Chatter box who I posted earlier was a 10/10/10/10, if you apply the Face / body / personality / skills formula. The new numbers are in at 10/10/8/10 and here is what went down. I text her to see how her weekend was and no answer so I follow that text a few hours later with a cancellation of our get together this Friday. She responds right then saying things are not good. Come to find out she got an eviction notice. If she doesn't come up with the money then she gets kicked out in a week. I'm thinking it will take an astronomical amount to get her in right standings, turns out they want to evict her over $275. If she doesn't come up with at least 150 by days end, she can't stay there & 125 due in a week. I broke protocol and wired some help. I even tried to pay over the phone with a gift card in case I was being deceived but they only accepted cashiers check, so me being 5 hours away didn't have many options. If indeed I got deceived, she will further damage her personality ranks. If the whole situation was legit then she is a keeper because we are scheduled for Thursday and based on her texts saying " Just left the office goodness did I get myself in a huge mess this time! Thank you so much! U have no idea I would have been homeless if not for your sexy ass you are so amazing I can not thank you enough! Now I can live there for the month of June haha. I owe you!" She is not from the area since she is there for school and she doesn't know too many people there. Thursday will make or break this one. I didn't hesitate to advance the sugar here and help out because they left a pretty good impression after our first meeting.

[QUOTE=LoriTruck;1781056]I broke protocol and wired some help.[/QUOTE]I have made advance payments with mixed results. It's definitely a crap shoot, but this one sounds positive.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;1780446]Just Game.[/QUOTE]I may try that. I always worry about girls that are attached in a so called serious relationship that are stepping out. The sneaking around part does not turn me on. But the quality level you allude to sounds interesting.

Let me start by saying I have followed this thread from the beginning and have enjoyed the refreshingly intelligent conversation and valuable information.

This is my first post in a few years, as I find some previous posts on Google.

Those of us in RIC know this is still a very small town at heart. Eventually, someone you know will see you with your SB.

I make sure my SB's have some sort of working relationship with me when we are out in public. Some are "consulting" or helping me arrange for subcontractors on one of my jobs.

We were attending the BM concert recently (yes, I'm that age) and walking up the isle was one of my MILF's from SDFM. That "oh, shit" feeling is something I would not want to repeat! She continued up the isle and the usher examined her ticket. Her seat was literally next to mine! She smiled and said hello in a subtle way. Rather than sit through the concert in complete discomfort, I introduced them and mentioned MILF was helping me with a project. Imagine meeting you here! Such a small world. Sit back and enjoy the music of the 70's.

Oh, shit.

[QUOTE=Pats Fan1; 1779698]I've had four separate guys PM me to ask how I got caught by the wife during my fling with Braizillian SB I mentioned last week on this thread. So here goes. I'll try not to make too long.

I have been hobbying since 2003 (escorts and massage). I met Brazillian SB (BSB) in 2007 and got caught in March 2008. I was pretty active on the 2 major review boards and used a user name at the time that was the same on those boards plus this site (also the defunct CLR). Also my email I was using was the same user nameathotmail. Not really smart back then when it came to layering things. I also hobbied with my regular cell phone (had no separate hobby phone). My wife was (and thankfully still is.) really dumb when it comes to technology stuff.

On the evening I got caught we went out to dinner with a business associate / friend of ours. After dinner we went by my office which was nearby. We were talking and he said hey do you want to see pics of my new girlfriend. Sure. Go onto * (that tells you how long ago this was). As I typed the website in it came up and my hobby email was already populated in the username box. I had just joined * and had one friend (you guessed it.) BSB. She told me to sign up to * and friend her and I would see kinds of hot pics of her. So my wife saw the login page briefly and saw there was a different email than my usual one. I closed it quickly but she said what was that? We started arguing my friend left and we were still there. She started to cry and kept asking me what was going on? I had to think quick. If she got a hold of that email and did a google search all of my escort review activities and everything would be right there for her to see. My family reputation, my family life, my professional career were all in the air. I copped to the affair with the BSB hoping it would send her off on a tangent and by me time.

Thankfully, it worked. The next few days sucked. I tried to be like a duck. Looked calm as shit above water, but below water my feet were paddling like a SOB. I was contacting every site changing my usernames. Mixing up my passwords. Deleting emails. Deleting telephone numbers. Wiping my computer clean. Thankfully she never came back to insisting I show her what that different email address was. I told her I would break it off with the BSB. She said she didn't believe me. I told I would do it over speakerphone and she could be there. I did just that. My kids were (ages 3 and 1) really young at the time and I didn't want to mess up life for them. I get along really great with my wife. She is a good lady and very funny. We have a lot of fun and a great life in every way but the bed. She is great at it (best head I've ever had in my life, and I've had close to 200). However, ever since the kids her desire is way down and we just don't have it often enough for me.

I learned a lot from the experience. Now I'm back in the game and have a much different setup. Everything is layered and disposable. In 5 minutes flat it can be all shut down w / o a trace except for my private laptop (forensics could get stuff off there). Could I get caught again? Sure. But it won't be as easy and carelessly as the last time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1781127]I may try that. I always worry about girls that are attached in a so called serious relationship that are stepping out. The sneaking around part does not turn me on. But the quality level you allude to sounds interesting.[/QUOTE]The quality in looks is there. You just have to work on it. One big difference I've noticed between AM and SD4M is that you can find professional career women on AM. I'm still in early discussions with an African American Professor. She's been a tough nut though as she's super busy. I'm also in the early stages with an Asian medical doctor. The doctor is 34 and looks hotter than KAL. So far she's cam'd with me, sent pics, and we've had lunch. The next meeting I should be able to FC and put her into the rotation.

The big differences between SD4M and AM are:

-SD4M has better looking and younger women in general. AM has them. It just takes MUCH longer to find them.

-SD4M the male clearly has the advantage (my reply ratio to emails is close to 90% I think) , and I've lots of unsolicited emails. Whereas on AM, my reply ratio is probably around 10-20.

-AM has some career / college graduates. I'd say it is probably about 50/50. Although YMMV depending on the area.

-AM has women that don't care about sugar. A few years back I was even a pseudo sugar baby. I met a woman in NY who was the wife of some mega-millionaire. I still paid for dinner (she tried though) , but she always covered the room and usually showed up with something from Hermes or such.

-The majority of women on AM are married. Although there are a number of singles either just looking for NSA or sugar.

It is really all about choices. And what you're seeking. I tend to like having conversations on a variety of subjects. And I'm finding that hard with the women from SD4M (see next post).

[QUOTE=ICantGetNo;1780868]That comment got me thinking since I'm a recent transplant from So. Cal. To Richmond. If you look at the first report on this thread, it seems that a Richmonder was the first to post about his SB curiosity. I suppose the better question is why are so many from around the country posting on Richmond's site. I agree that the accumulated knowledge of the tribe makes for a much more informative and valuable thread, but certainly we can be grateful for those in Richmond who initiated this gem.[/QUOTE]I was near Richmond for a few days and had come off a series of bad escort and CL experiences. I started posting about sbs on another thread as a follow up to whining about a Richmond CL posting. The thread participants took offense at my posting about topics not directly related to the thread's stated subject, so I started a new thread. I first heard about sd4me from a Obxfun (I think thats it) who had tried a couple times to get let mongers know the benefits."These girls haven't a clue," is what he said. The others on the existing Richmond threads didn't like his off subject posting either. So thats how this thread started in Richmond, not that it makes much difference. I agree others in the Richmond area provided much useful and interesting input. I believe they still do. But the thread now has national participation and seems to be pretty much self sufficient. None of this would have been possible without usasg and Jackson, of course, and Scott's posts attracted a large following of posters who might never have been interested in the kind of coarse and vulgar aspects of sex I like to post about. He really built the thread up, in my opinion. Now we are enjoying the participation of some national-class master swordsmen, as we used to call them in the old days. Its all been good, and with a relatively low level of snarling and backbiting as far as I can tell. Mongers helping other mongers, brothers helping brothers, all dedicated to opening up those sugarbaby pussies. Its really quite beautiful. I may shed a tear.

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1780446]Just Game. AM does have some women on it that ask for sugar, but I've avoided them. The vast majority of them just want either sex, or a lover (relationship). The tough part is avoiding the sticky ones that want to be exclusive with you. Having said this. You can't be cheap. I don't bring them to McDonalds, and we don't shag at a Motel 6.

The women I'm currently seeing have never asked for sugar. The MILFs usually just want to meet in a hotel room (Courtyard level) , and shag. I usually bring a nice bottle of wine or Patron with some snacks. The staffer and I usually have a great dinner / wine and then to a nice hotel. The flight attendant and I do the same. Wine and dine. We've had a few vacations together too (at my expense). I've given her (besides the normal be-day / Christmas) a few random gifts over the years. She's probably given me more gifts though. She's always showing up with high-end clothes for me. Maybe she doesn't like the way I dress!

I cancelled my M&G with the Asia Carrera look alike today. Something just didn't seem right. I normally don't meet until there is some significant chemistry and sexual tension built up. This gives me about an 80% F-close on the first meet. My spidey senses were tingling with her so I bailed.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the inspiration. After only 45days, I think I'm going to transition my SA game to AM. I owe you all a report though. On my bucket list.

Very interesting, thanks for the background. I feel the love as well. Keep it up! (pun intended)

[QUOTE=Literal2;1781402]I was near Richmond for a few days and had come off a series of bad escort and CL experiences. I started posting about sbs on another thread as a follow up to whining about a Richmond CL posting. The thread participants took offense at my posting about topics not directly related to the thread's stated subject, so I started a new thread. I first heard about sd4me from a Obxfun (I think thats it) who had tried a couple times to get let mongers know the benefits."These girls haven't a clue," is what he said. The others on the existing Richmond threads didn't like his off subject posting either. So thats how this thread started in Richmond, not that it makes much difference. I agree others in the Richmond area provided much useful and interesting input. I believe they still do. But the thread now has national participation and seems to be pretty much self sufficient. None of this would have been possible without usasg and Jackson, of course, and Scott's posts attracted a large following of posters who might never have been interested in the kind of coarse and vulgar aspects of sex I like to post about. He really built the thread up, in my opinion. Now we are enjoying the participation of some national-class master swordsmen, as we used to call them in the old days. Its all been good, and with a relatively low level of snarling and backbiting as far as I can tell. Mongers helping other mongers, brothers helping brothers, all dedicated to opening up those sugarbaby pussies. Its really quite beautiful. I may shed a tear.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Flirting Guy;1781404]Thanks for the inspiration. After only 45days, I think I'm going to transition my SA game to AM. I owe you all a report though. On my bucket list.[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention one other issue with AM and that is it is expensive! You have to buy credits, and chat costs 50 credits for an hour. Email costs 5 credits and you mark it priority for an extra 5. You pay regardless if the woman answers. A 1000 credits cost $250 I think. And you can easily blow through them. The only nice thing is that you can turn-off your profile for months and your credits don't disappear.

The male to female ratio is much higher as well. I've one friend who claims to get about 50 emails a day. Why I typically pay the extra 5 credits for a priority message, and I also try to stick to chat.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Literal2;1781402].we are enjoying the participation of some national-class master swordsmen, as we used to call them in the old days. Its all been good, and with a relatively low level of snarling and backbiting as far as I can tell. Mongers helping other mongers, brothers helping brothers, all dedicated to opening up those sugarbaby pussies. Its really quite beautiful. I may shed a tear.[/QUOTE]Lit, my friend,

I'm misting up myself. It has been a wonderful ride so far, hasn't it? Tally ho, my brothers!

I have an m&g chalked in for Friday with a captivating blonde who has a very naughty train of thought, I must say. We have been emailing and texting for weeks now, searching ardently for a crossing of schedules. I am assured that if I don't totally fuck things up, I will be totally fucking [I]her[/I] after a drink or two. I've done my due dillegence, and she appears not to be a working girl, in the classic sense, but merely an HYB who has discovered the benefits of an older, more skilled gentleman's attentions. Hooray for me, I say. As has been commented upon, these babies are a breed apart. They are like guys, but with pussies, in that they just love to fuck. If the situation were reversed, and women were paying [I]us[/I] to fuck [I]them[/I], wouldn't we all be millionaires?

On another matter, I have been idly amusing myself by collecting the most absurd names from scam emails I have been getting, and I just want to share them for the amusement of the clubhouse. I swear on all the panties I have caused to fall to the floor that they are all true; well, at least as sent to me. As I said before, I [I]wish[/I] I were this creative.

Yuhas Spradling.

Circle Mcravin (my personal favorite. Being Irish, I think I had a great aunt with this name)

Prashad Duch

Syring Dayan.

Sprenger Paris.

Sprenger Glade

Sprenger Edelbrock (a popular first name, apparently)

Montis Hesseltine

Bulleri Ingegner (I'm not even sure how to pronounce this one)

Crounse Cartagena (runner up for favorite. I may actually reply to her, just so I can add her to my contact list)

Ruggle Beltron (I thought this was a character Vim Diesel played. How far he has fallen. Sad really)

Delawder Martnez

Thibodeaux Bourgoyne.

Durphey Bourgoyne

Riva Bourgoyne.

Wiedeman Bourgoyne (sisters, apparently, or a mother / daughter fuck fest. Either way, I'm all in!)

I'm trying to imagine what foreign country these are all coming from, and what they are using to generate these names.

Well, tattooed baby has been landed. It took little effort but I really do think that's half the fun (okay maybe 20%). I am awaiting her arrival as I write this for our second round. The first was excellent! We've agreed on $.5 a visit for now, although I confess I'm in a little deeper than that because I'm a sucker for a hard luck story. I helped her out a little extra for the first meeting, but did talk with her about it and will be monitoring that situation closely. As long as we continue to have fun and her needs don't get too out of line, I think we could have a good run.

Several days after running into nursing student I had not heard from her so I feared the worst. I sent her another text, asking if she wanted to get together before I head out of town for the week on Monday, and we are on for Sunday night! This will be another dinner date, no sugar expected. My take on her is she is truly an amateur and is flirting with this whole idea. I will continue to try and ease her mind. She is really busy with school right now so this may take a while.

The older sexy latina was cut loose. She was very sultry in appearance but it just didn't carry over to the bedroom.

The other few potentials I had seem to have mostly blown away. I'm not to prepared to handle 5 or 6 like some of you guys so I haven't been pressing on responses that I got that didn't seem likely to go anywhere. The only one I am still thinking about says she is a nanny, and has had one SD before. Her texts are brief to the point of terseness, and that has put me off. I am still thinking about it because she is a 23 yo Caucasian 9/9, and she has pressed to meet a couple of times in the last few days. I haven't been able to work it into the schedule yet and just have a feeling that she's either going to be very unrealistic in her expectations or very businesslike after the arrangement is made.

[QUOTE=Flirting Guy;1781404]Thanks for the inspiration. After only 45days, I think I'm going to transition my SA game to AM. I owe you all a report though. On my bucket list.[/QUOTE]Let us know how you find AM. I think its a lot harder. But clearly worth the effort when you succeed.

[QUOTE=BikeRider; 1781565]I forgot to mention one other issue with AM and that is it is expensive! You have to buy credits, and chat costs 50 credits for an hour. Email costs 5 credits and you mark it priority for an extra 5. You pay regardless if the woman answers. A 1000 credits cost $250 I think. And you can easily blow through them. The only nice thing is that you can turn-off your profile for months and your credits don't disappear.

The male to female ratio is much higher as well. I've one friend who claims to get about 50 emails a day. Why I typically pay the extra 5 credits for a priority message, and I also try to stick to chat.

Good luck![/QUOTE]AM has an email blast to an area feature that I'd like to see on sd4m. When I tried AM, I used it a couple times without success but it has potential. I still have some credits there. If the girl doesn't need sugar you can do a lot of emailing on AM and still save money.

You have probably noticed by now that on sd4m a lot of the emails you get at first are phony. I'm not sure what the true male-female ratio is. Their marketing claims many more women than men but the sbs I know well tell me their screens fill up with emails faster than they can read them.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1781781]On another matter, I have been idly amusing myself by collecting the most absurd names from scam emails I have been getting, and I just want to share them for the amusement of the clubhouse.[/QUOTE]These are hilarious!

[QUOTE=Dsprdo;1782027]I confess I'm in a little deeper than that because I'm a sucker for a hard luck story. I helped her out a little extra for the first meeting[/QUOTE]Yeah I do that stuff too. Congratulations on landing the tatooed baby.

I had been trying AM in San Diego area about a year ago, and the AM gals in San Diego is usually very low (less than 20 logged in the last 7 days between 18 and 40). I got less than 5% respond rate, and AM is indeed pricey on their mailing system. I haven't got any gal from AM (not even M&G). May resume AM since I don't have much luck on SD4M in San Diego area.

[QUOTE=Literal2; 1782200]AM has an email blast to an area feature that I'd like to see on sd4m. When I tried AM, I used it a couple times without success but it has potential. I still have some credits there. If the girl doesn't need sugar you can do a lot of emailing on AM and still save money.

You have probably noticed by now that on sd4m a lot of the emails you get at first are phony. I'm not sure what the true male-female ratio is. Their marketing claims many more women than men but the sbs I know well tell me their screens fill up with emails faster than they can read them.[/QUOTE]

Chatting up a 19 yr old off SA / DC area long enough to diagnose her as a seriously GPS teenybopper. She wanted $500 / visit and $1000 / night in her own place. I bid her adieu and good luck. 2 Hrs later got a text from the same number saying "if you ever text my daughter again I will call the cops " Her profile is still up and logged on so I think she sent it herself. Maybe she is a prankster, who knows? But, an angry parent could create all kinds of mischief for a hobbyist. I've now raised my minimum age to 21 arbitrarily. Teens are awfully immature even though they have taut grownup bodies.

On a sad note my recent ATF HCB left me. It was a glorious 4 month swing but she had all kinds of emotional problems (what a shock).

On a brighter note I have a M&G with a 21 yr old who is a 8/8/8, so I will see if she will develop into a good performer.

One Hottie on SA responded that she just broke up with her long term BF and is not up for sex yet, but would I be interested in helping her with her bills? LOL Well, NO.

To add to the list of absurd baby names: Mccumiskey Pouncy! She sounds like a lot of fun, actually. Do any of you remember the SCTV skit with Pirini Scleroso as Eliza Doolittle? This baby's name sounds like something Pirini might have said! Good Lord, what are they thinking?

[QUOTE=F Scott;1782730]To add to the list of absurd baby names: Mccumiskey Pouncy! She sounds like a lot of fun, actually. Do any of you remember the SCTV skit with Pirini Scleroso as Eliza Doolittle? This baby's name sounds like something Pirini might have said! Good Lord, what are they thinking?[/QUOTE]Well maybe a little bit different. I created a fake SB acct on SD4me just to learn from the men's profiles and their approaches. It has been interesting. I have noticed almost daily one or two emails come form Manhatten NY and always a non total access member. So if you want to see what they sent for an email you need to pay. What is kind of funny isn't so much the names but I have noticed. They all have a picture of a pretty attractive man and usually thin but body type says "ample" 100% of the time. Even if the pic is of a skinny shirtless ripped guy. The height is always different too. Not sure if it is being done by sd4me to try to get more paying customers? Like AFF and others do.

Time with head in dictionary is time with head not between baby's thighs.

Back to work, Scott! No more fooling around.

Post some pix of your many conquests why don't you?

[QUOTE=FredMoore; 1782646]Chatting up a 19 yr old off SA / DC area long enough to diagnose her as a seriously GPS teenybopper. She wanted $500 / visit and $1000 / night in her own place. I bid her adieu and good luck. 2 Hrs later got a text from the same number saying "if you ever text my daughter again I will call the cops " Her profile is still up and logged on so I think she sent it herself. Maybe she is a prankster, who knows? But, an angry parent could create all kinds of mischief for a hobbyist. I've now raised my minimum age to 21 arbitrarily. Teens are awfully immature even though they have taut grownup bodies.

On a sad note my recent ATF HCB left me. It was a glorious 4 month swing but she had all kinds of emotional problems (what a shock).

On a brighter note I have a M&G with a 21 yr old who is a 8/8/8, so I will see if she will develop into a good performer.

One Hottie on SA responded that she just broke up with her long term BF and is not up for sex yet, but would I be interested in helping her with her bills? LOL Well, NO.[/QUOTE]I haven't had a 19 year old in 10 years and part of the reason is their brain's not fully formed yet so they do crazy shit like this. Other mongers seem to do better with them.

Good luck with the m&g. Keep us posted.

[QUOTE=Dog Rice;1782462]I had been trying AM in San Diego area about a year ago, and the AM gals in San Diego is usually very low (less than 20 logged in the last 7 days between 18 and 40). I got less than 5% respond rate, and AM is indeed pricey on their mailing system. I haven't got any gal from AM (not even M&G). May resume AM since I don't have much luck on SD4M in San Diego area.[/QUOTE]I concur. Been on AM for years (though inactive for long periods of time). While I've had a few awesome experiences, all-in I think the arrival of SA puts a bullet in my AM membership as those pricey credits quickly expire.

When you add in the cost of AM, then a nice dinner, and a decent hotel etc, the CPO gets up there pretty quick. The psychology of it is also be very different. An SB is there to please you, an AM woman knows she has 30 guys in the queue, so you have to work a lot harder. Actually had one session with an AM MILF who bitched at me because she didn't cum. The nerve of some women.

Don't get me wrong, go there if you can find the "I just want to meet and fuck your brains out" women. Had one of those, she was awesome. But the last couple have wanted some sort of weird quasi-courting thing. And while I adore milfs, there is something about a 20-something that I don't have to work hard for. Just sayin.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1782730]To add to the list of absurd baby names: Mccumiskey Pouncy! She sounds like a lot of fun, actually. Do any of you remember the SCTV skit with Pirini Scleroso as Eliza Doolittle? This baby's name sounds like something Pirini might have said! Good Lord, what are they thinking?[/QUOTE]I got to say. And I'm not married. But my favorite "absurdity" on SA is "I won't see married men". I just read this on a profile." I don't mind you having options but I am not one of them if you have vowed to be faithful to your wife."

Really.

OMG. K.

You will have sex with me for money (which is a wonderful thing, don't get me wrong, I don't judge) , but not if I am married.

Awesome juxtaposition of American Puritanism and American Capitalism.

Another reason to thank our D-Day heroes on this special day. And I mean that. They made the world safe for virtuous hookers.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1782981]I haven't had a 19 year old in 10 years and part of the reason is their brain's not fully formed yet so they do crazy shit like this.[/QUOTE]And their bedroom skills aren't all that either. So why do I keep doing them. It's a perceived freshness thing, a cuteness thing. Knowing you are going to be the first guy to teach them to do this or that and then getting to experience the results. My 19 y o and my 46 y o are the same height, weight, body type and color. Sometimes in the dark I imagine I am with the younger one when I am with the MILF. But in reality it would take her a year or 2 or 3, to get to her skill level even if she made it her mission in life (which she claims it is) . I keep thinking she can do it in months. But I might be deluding myself.

Gentlemen. I am in quite a quandary. So if you have been following my posts you know that I met a very hot looking blond on the SD4ME last week. And we had a great time at the M&G but I had to go out of town for a week so I was concerned that she would not be waiting when I got back to proceed to the FC. Now let me tell you something. This chick is hot. She is a 31 YO Latina MILF, blond with big beautiful brown eyes and she would rate a 9. 5/8/10. Her body was better than I first thought. Just to give you an idea of how hot she was when we were in the bar there were only four other guys in there and two of them bought her drinks while she was sitting with me. I did not have to spend hardly any money. Also I think it is kind of funny that these dumbasses bought her drinks. So I made sure I drank them in front of them so they could see it. Cockblocking motherfuckers.

She has a personality of gold, a great attitude, intelligent, responsible and horny as hell. In fact her profile created such a stir with this incredible profile pic that she had to take it down after five days. She is sincere, sexy, and gorgeous. I cannot say enough good things about her. But there is a problem. We met up as planned and she was good to go. Couple of drinks and a trip to the FC. She was REVVOPOT3 she will now be REVVOSB3. We were not there more than 2 minutes before she was trying to get my cock in her mouth. And boys she knew what she was doing. She loved dick, she fucked like a 2 dollar Wh, and could not get enough. Vocal and as wet as can be. And when I busted she was back on my dick trying to get another one out of me almost immediately. She had great dirty talk. And would fuck until I could not anymore. She is not really interested in the money. She has needs and she wants them met.

Here is the problem. After fucking her I felt a little out of it. I don't know how to put it. Maybe a little disappointed. Maybe almost regretful that I fucked her. Weird huh? If you told me two years ago that I would be getting poon-tang as fabulous as this. I would have told you that you were crazy. And now that I have it. I am not saying a silent prayer of thanks to the pussy gods is fucked up. I may need to see a therapist about this. Any thoughts? Am I crazy? Am I overloaded on poon?

Revvo

[QUOTE=HighCotton; 1783015]I concur. Been on AM for years (though inactive for long periods of time). While I've had a few awesome experiences, all-in I think the arrival of SA puts a bullet in my AM membership as those pricey credits quickly expire.

When you add in the cost of AM, then a nice dinner, and a decent hotel etc, the CPO gets up there pretty quick. The psychology of it is also be very different. An SB is there to please you, an AM woman knows she has 30 guys in the queue, so you have to work a lot harder. Actually had one session with an AM MILF who bitched at me because she didn't cum. The nerve of some women.

Don't get me wrong, go there if you can find the "I just want to meet and fuck your brains out" women. Had one of those, she was awesome. But the last couple have wanted some sort of weird quasi-courting thing. And while I adore milfs, there is something about a 20-something that I don't have to work hard for. Just sayin.[/QUOTE]I guess the allure for me on SD4ME is finding a true non pro or something very close to it (not that I am against the occasional booty call girl) . Meaning even if they are a pro SB they only do one guy at a time exclusively. So it really is a bf / gf type arrangement. And an SB knows her place is to please the man or she will be gone. I make an exception for my roommate (not demanding the same level of attention as my regulars) but we are just a FWB arrangement (and she has a bf). AM sounds like totally and absolutely non pro, a higher bar for sure. Kind of like normal dating except the girl has an SO. The cost for me would be 250 or more a month (way more if you include the wining and dining) compared to 50 for SD4ME (with very little wining and dining).

One of the main reasons I don't civi date is because the main focus needs to be on my pleasure first and foremost. I am a giver, but if there is no chemistry I don't see that as anyone's fault. But certainly would not tolerate being bitched at for it. I could be wrong but I imagine that a lot of the guys on here do have more to give in the bedroom than their SO's are able to take. Holding in the need to share can cause resentment, anger and depression. If only the SO's realized that allowing the man to have his flings makes their relationship potentially stronger. Some women do and some just tolerate it (to maintain 1st place status). Also I have found the SB's far more understanding in this area, some more than others, but all coming around eventually. I do put that on the table by the third date if there is one. Sometimes on the first.

I think its funny how in the various countries that abhor western culture as bringing theirs down, on the subject of men having multiple sex partners or the place of women in general they would think it insane that they couldn't do whatever they pleased in the harem.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1783050]Gentlemen. I am in quite a quandary. Here is the problem. After fucking her I felt a little out of it. I don't know how to put it. Maybe a little disappointed. Maybe almost regretful that I fucked her. Weird huh? If you told me two years ago that I would be getting poon-tang as fabulous as this. I would have told you that you were crazy. And now that I have it. I am not saying a silent prayer of thanks to the pussy gods is fucked up. I may need to see a therapist about this. Any thoughts? Am I crazy? Am I overloaded on poon?

Revvo[/QUOTE]Maybe you like her so much (and obviously she feels the same way) that you realize just how fast she could be a big part of your life (maybe too big) , because if you aren't going to be, she will find someone that wants to be. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Too bad I never went to college.

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1783050]Here is the problem. After fucking her I felt a little out of it. I don't know how to put it. Maybe a little disappointed. Maybe almost regretful that I fucked her. Weird huh? If you told me two years ago that I would be getting poon-tang as fabulous as this. I would have told you that you were crazy. And now that I have it. I am not saying a silent prayer of thanks to the pussy gods is fucked up. I may need to see a therapist about this. Any thoughts? Am I crazy? Am I overloaded on poon?

Revvo[/QUOTE]She has needs. You're fulfilling them, thus providing her a service. Win Win.

[quote]Quote Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

Gentlemen. I am in quite a quandary. Here is the problem. After fucking her I felt a little out of it. I don't know how to put it. Maybe a little disappointed. Maybe almost regretful that I fucked her. Weird huh? If you told me two years ago that I would be getting poon-tang as fabulous as this. I would have told you that you were crazy. And now that I have it. I am not saying a silent prayer of thanks to the pussy gods is fucked up. I may need to see a therapist about this. Any thoughts? Am I crazy? Am I overloaded on poon?

Revvo.[/quote]

As Hollywood said, you are perhaps looking at her as worthy of a GF and are a little disappointed that she was so easy. In the end, she might be all that you say she is, but she is still selling herself for her own pleasure. You also realize deep down that she can get her carnal needs met anywhere and anytime she wants.

I know it is hard since I am the master of emotional attachment but try to step back and look at her as what she is / a glorious piece of Ass.

AM is impossible for me. I can not get a single girl to bite and have spent $100s on credits. I am too old to appeal to the true non Pros. I don't post pics so that hurts me I am sure. I think the married girls want a younger boy toy. Why not? We do too. If we are paying then the young ones can suck it up.

SDFM in the DC / Richmond corridor is full of unattractive and unappealing girls. I can't find one single girl I want to pursue in the 21 to 30 yr old group.

SA has loads of attractive young girls every single day and is by far the easiest to mine. I get 5 responses for every 10 contacts. 3 go to text, and 1 will result in a meet in the FC. Many who reach the text phase and communicate over several days end up disappearing. I think they either get cold feet or another Pot is more appealing. I get revisits after they work their way through losers and cruisers.

[QUOTE=Revvo;1783050]Also I think it is kind of funny that these dumbasses bought her drinks. So I made sure I drank them in front of them so they could see it. Cockblocking motherfuckers.[/QUOTE]I love this. This is exactly the fucked up kind of attitude I have. It's gotten me in lots of trouble over the years. Don't change!

[QUOTE]After fucking her I felt a little out of it. I don't know how to put it. Maybe a little disappointed. Maybe almost regretful that I fucked her. Weird huh? If you told me two years ago that I would be getting poon-tang as fabulous as this. I would have told you that you were crazy. And now that I have it. I am not saying a silent prayer of thanks to the pussy gods is fucked up. I may need to see a therapist about this. Any thoughts? Am I crazy? Am I overloaded on poon?[/QUOTE]

I can prescribe a fix for this malady. Stay away from her for three weeks. You'll be climbing the wall to see her again.

You have the best of both worlds HG and are likely able to deal with the craziness.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1783423]AM is impossible for me. I can not get a single girl to bite and have spent $100s on credits. I am too old to appeal to the true non Pros. I don't post pics so that hurts me I am sure. I think the married girls want a younger boy toy. Why not? We do too. If we are paying then the young ones can suck it up.

SDFM in the DC / Richmond corridor is full of unattractive and unappealing girls. I can't find one single girl I want to pursue in the 21 to 30 yr old group.

SA has loads of attractive young girls every single day and is by far the easiest to mine. I get 5 responses for every 10 contacts. 3 go to text, and 1 will result in a meet in the FC. Many who reach the text phase and communicate over several days end up disappearing. I think they either get cold feet or another Pot is more appealing. I get revisits after they work their way through losers and cruisers.[/QUOTE]Probably some sites are better than others in different areas. I know SA works for a lot of guys. BR is the only one I've heard of with major success on AM. SD4M is good in some areas, not so good in others.

[QUOTE=Literal2;1783572]Probably some sites are better than others in different areas. I know SA works for a lot of guys. BR is the only one I've heard of with major success on AM. SD4M is good in some areas, not so good in others.[/QUOTE]I started with SA but the girls seemed to want more $ so I switched to SD4ME. Sounds like that might not be the case anymore.

RVASB-LESB. So after many weeks of co-ordinating over SA / email / text I made an arrangement with a very sexy, young lesbian couple. We hit it off! Great face / body / attitude, but they asked about establishing a long-term arrangement. And the thought of *commitment, despite being absolutely turned on to them, turned me off. The feeling of some clingy SBs freaked me out. I guess I'm having commitment issues. The last thing I want is a relationship!

Does anyone else ever experience this?

RVASB-FISH. Ok, I took the stinky bartender back to the FC yesterday and the pussy odor is still there! Had to wash thoroughly MANY times to rid myself of her odor. This one also has alot of drama associated with her and is not very reliable. I think I am going to cut her loose and be done with her and her games. She is a very bad liar as well. Beginning to feel a bit disillusioned about hot spinner babes.

Good luck gents!

Week is off to a bang. Literally. I am moving into a new era. The hunt is easier now. I may be getting too hooked on this and that may be a problem. But my goal as always is to have a couple of steadies and some good backups. And so I come back from a long trip and I am ready to get back into the pussy. And apparently the pussy is ready for me. Hehe. So its only been a couple of days since my return but there has been much activity.

REVVO_ATF: She is doing great. We communicate every few days but she is travelling a lot for work now. It is the busy season in her work. So we will not be seeing each other until later in the month. Sucks, but there is always other pussy out there.

REVVO_OLD_ATF: Still going strong. Good correspondence, but she is traveling also and of course my travels has kept us apart. So we are not seeing each other this week and possibly not next week. But she is always on top of my mind. As always she is the most fulfilling personality wise and the looks that can kill. She is truly beautiful. Plus I must say our conversations are actually interesting and normal most of the time. No crisis no bullshit. Nice. I am planning a sleepover with her. It will be fun. She deserves more dick than just a few hours can give. Juiciest pussy of the group.

REVVOPOT1: Too fucking ugly. She is off the list.

REVVOPOT2: One of the more normal ones on the list. Very amature. She live in the US and is from Eastern Europe. Some correspondence but no further meetings. She is on the back burner for now. Too much other immediate activity. But she is cute and may develop into quite the girlfriend experience. More with her later. So many SB's and so little time.

REVVOPOT3: This is the pretty red head with the big titties that was on a previous report. Very young 22YO white 8/7/8. Like the redheads. Not very good communicator but I am training her. She lives over an hour away and is willing to travel to me. And when I talk with her she swears she is into this and ready to go. In fact the feeling I get when talking with her is she is ready to visit the FC on first meeting. I am setting her up for next week, most likely Tuesday. I will get her introduced to the sugar world right. But I am concerned about the young inexperienced thing. We will see.

REVVOPOT4: This is really a nice one. Fabulous body and good to go. She is a 29 YO Latina with a smoking body, but have not seen her head yet because she has not sent me head shots. (just found her today) But her description is she is very attractive. Now for a white girl or a Latina to say they are attractive is a good thing. Usually they are better than attractive. But when an AA will say they are hot, attractive, beautiful and you could end up with anything. Usually they are not so great when you finally see them. (tip:keep this in mind guys when screening for POTs with not picture posted.) We shall see. Pics coming tonight when she gets off of work. But she is ready for business. We had a great conversation and she is intelligent and wants to fuck. I am going to give her a preliminary 7/9/10 for now. This most certainly will change. But I am hopeful already. And one other thing. She is not only Latina, she is Columbian. I absolutely love Columbian women. Think Sofia Vergara. They are sexy, fun, happy, beautiful women. It is like god made them just to please men. Guys keep this in mind. I live in FL where I get to experience every type of Latina there is and there is a big difference. Cuban women are gorgeous and sexy, but crazy and will almost certainly get fat on you. Puerto Rican woman can be very sexy, and cute but can be very trashy. Dominican women are many times very melado, but love to fuck. And they can get be hot and cold. Mexican women can be cute but are harder to nail down. Venezualan women are probably the most beautiful. I could go on. This one is nice so far. We are scheduled to meet at 3:15 on Monday. I will be ready.

REVVOSB1: Nothing this week. And I have not heard from her. Will stay in touch but will probably not have time for her next week also. I am almost glad I will not see my ATF for another couple of weeks. I am to busy with other SB's and POTs and my ATF is so reliable I do not worry about her. Does that make be a bad person?

REVVOSB3: You can see my supplemental report on this one. Absolutely beautiful. Kind of a Shakira look. Very sweet polite. She costs some money. Not so much on the sugar. But she likes to spend when out. Drinks, shots, expensive meals. Will work on that. Because I do not think it is about the money with her. I think it is about the sex. Because let me tell you she fucked me rugged. I thought I pounded the babies hard. This one rode me like a mule. And I would put her at the top five when sucking cock. I had to stop her a few time just so I would not bust and not get a chance to fuck her. Anyway. You saw my quandary and Lit and Hollywood, thanks for the advice. I think I was just overwhelmed and tired from so much travel at the same time. I will have to keep her on the rotation for sure. Second juciest pussy of the bunch.

There were others but they were just too flakey and squirely to mess with. I don't even report on them since they are a waste. Not enough time. I am sure some of these above will be off of the list soon. But I may have to just cull some out due to money and time. Even if they are winners. We shall see.

I would have never thought back in January that I would be having this much success. But I am. Pay attention to the experts on this forum guys. There is much to learn. And listen to your babies. They will tell you what these other schlubs are doing wrong. It is tough for women to find a decent man to fuck them. And remember they have to feel something for you to want to fuck you. Make them feel that and you are golden. It is yours to fuck up. Believe me. I have made every mistake you can think of. Learn from them.

By the way on the survey. Just turned 53 I have been told I look much younger. And I am married.

Lets be careful out there.

Revvo

I am still laughing at the name for the bartender. RVAFishSB, LMAO. That is a classic.

But damn brother I agree. Stinky pussy is a no no for me. In fact I may be just a little too sensitive to this one. I hear ya on trying to wash it off. What is it with that? Is there some kind of industrial strength cleaner to get that funk off?

And who wants to lick a stinky pussy? I consider myself pretty game and willing to try some crazy things. But when the pooter-pie is smelly that is where I draw the line.

I have met some really quality women that are very clean and their pussy still stinks. What do you say to them? Do you just tell them, sweetie I love you and everything but the pussy needs a freshening?

I hate to lose a good one over this.

Revvo